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Ibime:
Alright lemme ask you a question.

Given the choice of another central midfielder or another winger, which is more fundamental?

You forgot the only game we lost this season is the game which Matic missed.

The same way City won their games with Navas and Milner when Silva was injured is the same way we would win when Hazard is injured. The same way Schurrle changed the game against PSG when you were crying doom when Hazard got injured.

Every top team in the Prem has one World Class winger only. It's not fundamental that we should be any different.

There are many ways of winning games aside Hazard dribbles.

I dealt with this earlier. We are on the same page accepting that shoring up the central midfield was a huge decision. I made a public declaration stating I am now in the camp calling for a new midfield.

I also stated earlier that we both agree that Oscar, Ramires and Mikel need upgrades. So I don't disagree that this was fundamental.

I also believe at the same time that fortifying the wings in depth is as important as the central midfield.

It's not as easy as saying City won without Silva, so we can without Hazard. Milner and Navas have 6 and 5 assists respectively. Milner especially who achieved that in only 998 mins. Schurrle has 0 assists in 428.

City have strength in depth on the wings with folks who come in and provide 11 assists combined when Silva is not playing. Our back up wingers in Andre and Salah have 0 assists. Our other first choice winger in Willian has played only 66 minutes less than Navas but only has 1 assist. See the numbers below.

This is why my point is valid. Unless we go out in the window and buy a central midfielder who can deputise on the wings, If Hazard gets injured, we are in deep 5hit. This is why we need to buy quality wingers as much as we do CMs.

Ibime:
When Nateevs says not signing wingers is a "fundamental error", you see Chelsea sitting ontop the league.

Hehehe. Embracing top of league despite claiming we could do it without Hazard.

Sitting on top of the league because of the likes of Hazard - a player you claimed we could win the league without.

Not sitting on top of the league because of Andre and Willian. Which proves my point.

No Hazard playing today, 3 pts dropped. End of story. This is why it was a huge error. The league is not won yet. We could still lose Hazard. And we don't have strength in depth from wide positions.



Don't be disingenuous. How do you suppose Andre and Willian would have propelled us to the top of the league with 0 and 1 assists respectively?

You make bold statements claiming Andre will score 10 goals if Eden gets injured. Tell us why he isn't doing it now.

According to you, Stewart Downing is not better than Andre but only because he flopped at Liverpool. See the numbers for this season and prove me wrong.

Ibime:
The irony of this statement when Schurrle is the one who scored against City.

Like we said earlier, Schurrles game is suited to the big teams cos he's all about the counterattack.

I am confused. In one argument, Andre is only suited to big games. Earlier on, the argument was that Andre is not suited to possession football. I reminded you that over 90% of our games will be possession football. You don't disagree. Yet mysteriously enough, you think Andre will score 10 goals if Hazard is injured. How is he going to do that when you accept he is only suited to big teams? City, United are the two teams we will probably park the bus against. Schurrle will magically find 10 goals. See logic.



Secondly, why are you creating a situation that makes it look as though Hazard is in Schurrle's way? Rhe right side is up for grabs because Willian is only marginally better. Andre gets opportunities to nail down a spot by scoring the 10 goals you claim he will. He doesn't. He hasn't. He keeps getting subbed for Willian. Somehow though, when Hazard is injured, Andre will score 10 goals. Why he is not doing it now?

Thirdly, you are making a fundamental error. The Football of last season was totally different from we play now. You realise and you are being disingenuous with your analysis. Andre's numbers from last season are meaningless. What matters is this season. And he is not good enough. Willian has 1 goal and only 1 assist all season long in the PL, Andre can't do 5h1t about it yet we are supposed to believe he will somehow become brilliant overnight.

Lastly, Andre has 0 assists in 438 minutes. How can he possibly have better numbers than Hazard mathematically or otherwise?

Ibime:
Give to one of your stats apps and fetch us Hazard and Schurrles goals and assists and total minutes last season make we calculate am. Remember to minus Hazards penalties.

Without even calculating, I can tell you there's nothing between em, and not surprised if Schurrle is ahead sef.

So this means what? Schurrle is better than Hazard? I won't even go into that.

Ninjahs be trying to make seem like Andre is unfortunate. If he is given minutes he will blah blah, if he is given minutes he will build a castle.

So he is given minutes like today, he is soo atrocious, JM takes him out after 45mins. If JM takes you out after 45, it's because you are very poor. This is Southampton, not City or United. If you are not showing your metal against Southampton, when is it going to happen for you?

Everyone accepts that everytime Andre is given an opportunity, he never shows what he is made of. Yet ninjahs continue to say if he is given minutes in the side, he will be better than Hazard.

So can the Andre fans tell us how we solve this problem?

Ibime:
It was not a game for Schurrle. Southampton parked the bus. There was nothing to stretch.
Schurrle comes into his own when you are a goal up, or when you are playing a better team and sitting in your own half. He holds his own defensively, and he runs from your half to the opposition box in 2 seconds and scores. He did it against PSG, he did it for Germany in the World Cup when they were ahead, and he broke the World Cup with his counterattacking. He is in the top10 of goals-per-minute in Premier League history.
Willian you play when you want to keep possession and still be solid defensively.
There is no fundamental disadvantage in Chelsea's wing play.
I would replace them with a ninja like Sanchez, but there's no fundamental weakness with them. The no of wingers on the market who would upgrade the team by replacing Schurrle and Willian can be counted on one hand.
Not to mention ninjas like Traore, Thorgan and Piazon. We get them boku. Wing play is not a need, it's a want.
That said, I would take Sanchez and Sterling if they are available, but there is no fundamental error in not replacing them.

I spell out their weaknesses, you claim I am wrong and present a counter-argument that does nothing but supports my own argument.

You accept that Andre is not a possession player. Well we play possession based football against 90% of the PL. This invariably means that Schurrle is not fit for that many games. So what is the point that I don't get?

I don't want to go back to last season to remember how Andre influenced play. I want to see it now.

What do you mean by there was nothing to stretch? When did they ever stretch anything? Never!

You should be lucky we have Hazard , a player you claim we will win the league without.

There are many times in the course of a season when strikers can look jaded. See Costa despite his brilliant start. You want your wide players to come in contribute with good numbers. This is what Hazard does.

Look at the screenshot below and tell me how we can ever win the league with Andre's and Willian's combined assist rate of 1 in combined playing time of over 1500 minutes. Or tell me how we win the league with both dudes with a combined goal output of 3 in as many minutes.

1 assist halfway through the season from both players. That is a big shame. The reason you think wingers are not prority is because of Hazard's numbers from the wing. If Hazard gets injured for a lengthy period, we are not winning the league. ,

Ibime:
Downing flopped at Liverpool badly. Why would he succeed even remotely at Chelsea? He's not even playing on the wing at West Ham! He's a plodder on the wing.

Oxlade can't defend. Schurrle should be compared to Walcott, both players who can't play footie but have goals in their boots. If Walcott benches Oxlade at Arsenal, what business do we have placing Oxlade over Schurrle?

Januszaj will go the way of Mata. A passenger who destabilises his wing defensively. He will ride bench till eternity. If he can't displace Young and Valencia at Manure, what business does he have in Chelsea?

If you talking of top wingers:

Arsenal have Sanchez
City have Silva
Chelsea have Hazard
United have Di Maria
Liverpool have Sterling

Nobody has more than one. Everybody else cannot displace Schurrle and Willian. Wing-play is not a fundamental disadvantage for Chelsea.

And when I said Chelsea can win a league without Hazard, Fergie did it for 3 years straight with Valencia, Young and Nani. Wing play is not the fundamental part of the team you think it is. A winger's job is to stretch the play for the midfielders and strikers, and provide an outball when under pressure. Strikers and midfielders win leagues not wingers. You and Emenalo could do with learning that.

A winger's job is to stretch play for midfielders and strikers. Correct! So which of Scurrle and Willian stretches play for midfielders and strikers?

Schurrle was on for 45mins made no single cross, never stretched play and was anonymous. Replaced by Willian, and again, for 49mins, Willian made no cross or stretched play.

Fergie won the league 3ce without a Hazard because he had a Valencia, Nani and Young. And that exactly is my point. Who forgets in a hurry the threat Nani and Valencia carry? Managers tune their defensive setup for these players. Even JM.

Who tunes their defensive setup for Willian and Schurrle? They carry no threat, they scare no one.

If Fergie had Schurrle, Willian and Salah instead, they win zilch. And that's why you are you are wrong about the ability of our wingers and the possibility of winning the league without Hazard.

mithel:
Nateevs hope all is well,what do you mean by townsend,downing, oxlade common man, you are better than this

Abeg. Tell me how Wllian is better than Downing. How is Schurrle better than Oxlade Chamberlain.


Perhaps Townsend is pushing it. But it gives you an idea of lowly I rate our wingers. Remember Willian cost 30m.

Yessssssss!

Ibime:
I wasn't abusing you BTW, just making jest. . . . but you chatting shyte.

How can a ninja claim not replacing Willian, Schurrle and Salah is the main error of the summer?

You mean replacing your boy shekpe keeper with Costa is not fundamental, or buying Fabregas for the midfielder is not fundamental?

You busy talking about wingers. Certainly, I have to question your sanity.

Oya, tell us which team in the Premier League have better wingers than Chelsea.

I am not saying that replacing Torres, Eto'o and Ba with Costa, Drogba and Remy is not a brilliant decision. We both agreed on the inclusion of Fab.
Plus you and I also agree 100% that Ramires and Mikel need to be moved on for better players. We also both agree that we need a better number 10. So I freaking wonder why you are so quick jump on my other opinions when they differ from yours.

Take Hazard off, we don't have wingers. Andre does not influence play, cannot beat a man and never crosses.

Willian can beat a man but only within 2m radius. The next decision he makes is always rubbish. He doesn't cross, score or threaten. And the most annoying is you will almost never find him on the flanks. Don't get me started on Salah.

And you say we are the most equipped team with wingers. I will take Oxlade, Townsend, Navas, Januzay, Tadic, Downing, Sanchez over what we have.

2-2

Come on Burnley

Ibime:
Nateevs ain't right about nothing. Just a ninny who thinks wingers and flicksters alone make a team.

How can Chelsea's wingplay be the major error of the summer when ninjas like Mikel and Ramires still hold shirt in our team?

If you give him City's wingers, he will say not replacing Navas, Milner and Nasri is the fundamental error in City

If you give him Arsenal's wingers, he will say Oxlade, Walcott and Podolski are the problem

If you give him Manure, he will say the problems are caused by Ashley Young, Januszaj and Valencia.

Actually, which team in the Prem is more equipped on the wings than Chelsea?

It's just ninny ranting based on his warped view of the game.


We will win the league, everybody calm down.

Most equipped on the wings? 99% percent of the arguments on here at this moment is wing related - about who is better on the wings.

You are going your way with this one and blaming Ramires who did not even play. So what if we had two Matics playing today instead of Mikel? You think we would have won.

We had only one shot on target all game - by Hazard a player you claimed we could win the league without.

Ibime:
It's when nigga make statement like this you start to question his sanity.

So you mean, you look at the whole Chelsea team and you think not buying wingers is the fundamental error of the summer?

Somebody send this nigga to Yaba left abeg.

You just lack manners. Your inability to make a point without being abusive is stagerring. Grown married man, old enough to be a father.

mithel:
I knew we were not winning when i saw the starting eleven, for one we always bar 1 game concede when we play luis,so conceding was a sure thing,but adding mikel and schurrle to the mix was overkill...

Mithel, you are very right. It is a bad decision to play Andre, Mikel and Luis at the same time.

dawhizkid1:
It's not about numbers? What's Iniesta's numbers? 57 career goals? It about what he brings to the team, that's control and stability. You saw how the first half with Schurrle compared to the Half with Willian. He is not the best, but he is way better than Schurrle in our set up. Mourinho knows that too.

Willian is not Iniesta. Willian is supposed to be a winger the delivers cross after cross when not scoring, or at the very least make good decisions that influence play when not crossing.

Willian does not give you this. Truth be told, he is better than Andre and Mo, he is a hard worker and he presses hard but just like the criticism we show to Oscar, Willian is also culpable. For all of his ability in possession, he does nothing significant.

Absolute garbage. Starting with Schurrle was a monumental mistake.

Unfortunately, even though I wanted Willian to come in for Andre, he (Willian) is just one strange player. Forvall of his ability, he just doesn't do anything.

I spent the summer shouting about how we have a massive weakness on the flanks, folks were trying to prove to me that we could win the league without Hazard.

Going into the season with Willian, Schurrle and Salah as our wingers was a huge error.

My boy Eden pops up with a moment of brilliance and does it all by himself. What a time to score.

Second half, please get Willian on and take out Andre.

Goalll

Anfre Schurrle is just a very average player who is absolutely incapable of having any influence on a gam; except when he scores the odd goal.

Bimffo:
We are in the Midway of the Season and we are still top!!! YES! Thanks to all that has made this Season so Fantastic..

We say thank you To all Our Fanatics, supporters and Our Antagonist, because without them, this thread would have been boring..

As we embark on 2015, we wish ourself (CFC) a trophy laden Year..

ShoutOut to:

Ibime, Dyabman, Nitlad, CFCfan, AirborneLacer, Sephia, Nateevs, Raumdeuter, Nihilist, A40, Coogar, SailorXY, Noah13, LogoDWhiz, Chip2pimp, Fredoooooo, Mukina2, Dhellake, ChelseaBMW, Debroslink, Tval, humblesteve, Keky, Amodu, Torres2, Odunharry, hensben, shoowthem, and to all I ave forgotten No vex abeg..

You get mouth bro.

Isn't this game the worst game of football ever seen?

Hehehe. I bet Dyabman cannot believe Ramires doesn't play.

3pts. 45pts on boxing day.

That is why Ramires doesn't play

dyabman:
Willians final pass has been killing chelsea since 1960

Exactly what I mean. If Willian has half as good as Hazard's decision making on the ball, we will be converting even more chances.
The problem we have now is that Schurrle and Salah are even worse.

I believe in the summer, Ramires, Mikel, Schurrle and Salah will all leave. Their replacements will be strong enough to relegate Oscar and Willian to sub-role players.

This Adrian na winch.

Ibime:
I dunno why West Ham didn't start with Song.

They've got Arsenal on Sunday.

Diegoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllll

AirborneLacer:
I'll prefer a new DM over a like for like replacement for Oscar.

We'd be handed a healthy balance that way.

Cesc shouldn't be in a pivot, he would do pretty fine playing in the hole. Koke can't beat him to being the cynosure of creativity in this Chelsea side.

Look at it from a tactical point of view; a deep lying playmaker (ala Pirlo, Xavi) and you will comes to terms with Cesc's tactical position.

CFCfan:
Not sure if Mourinho would swap Willian for Reus. You know Jose loves workaholic players to a fault. If the team goes far in the UCL, and wins the league with the present swagger, he may just leave the team as it is.

It actually doesn't need to be Reus. It just has to be a winger-like player with good technique and ability to match Willian's work rate. We cannot deny that for all of Willian's ability on the ball, there's far little output to match. I am sure Jose's watching that too.

CFCfan:
I don't blame him. The passing and movement, both on and off the ball, has been phenomenal and orgasmic!

As in ehn? All the boys seem on the same wavelength. Forget tippy tappy, this is football from Saturn.
Two changes to this team, Koke for Oscar; Reus/productive winger for Willian and this team will step up two gears.

Nihilist:
I don't think Costa has great Technique and that's a big drawback to his game

He hasn't. If he did though, he would have been playing for Barca or Real and we would have had little chance of signing him.

If only Oscar makes decisions on the ball like Fabregas.