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rottennaija:
You have not addressed any of the questions I asked. You asked questions, I took my time, and address each and everyone and somehow, you feel you have addressed them?

Specifically, me ask again about John 6:54. If according to your belief, the last days begin in 1914 and those going to heaven have already started the resurrection, who are those whom Jesus said would be resurrection on the last day?

Note. He said, they would be resurrected at the last day not in the last days. Note the difference.

I have addressed all your questions. Read almost all my opening lines your answers are there. The other sentences are just brief explanations to the opening line.


Christian's going to heaven will still be resurrected in the last day, at least those still alive now. I believe that last day will mark the end of satan's world.

But Hebrew words like 'day' arent so straightforward. Sometimes in the Hebrew usage they can refer to 24 hours, or even a longer period more than 24 hours, Gen 2:4. 2peter 3:8

rottennaija:
I'll take this as you have nothing tangible to say.

You know up until now, I have never held back from sharing what I know.

But I personally dont like arguments, unless its educational.

Like I said, it can only make sense if you come to terms with them first unless you will take me back unnecessarily when i start.

rottennaija:
My next question.
Is Jesus your mediator and why?

You know this question is what led to our dialogue . Yes he is my mediator. Through him I can assess God in prayer and my sins can be forgiven. Also by having faith in his ransom, i can have eternal life.

rottennaija:
No one is arguing any seed or animal sacrifice with you. I brought in the ex post facto law specifically in reference to the requirements to be born again before seeing God's kingdom.

If it renders the Ex Post Facto Law ineffective, how then do you expect Abraham, Isaac, Jacob to be born again when such laws or requirements were not made in their own time?

It is simple but you have to come to terms first with what I said about the seed and how animal sacrifices cannot wash away Adam's inherited sins from us. Only then will the others make sense.

rottennaija:
Did you also noticed the part he mentioned to observed all his commands? If the master commanded that his disciples be taught to obey all his command, what is not all?


Being led by God's spirit is different from spiritual gift. I never mentioned spiritual gift and neither does the verse in Ro 8:14. Its you bring it up.

You have admitted that all of God's people have access to God's spirit. See the bolded. What does Ro 8:14 says?

Romans 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.

Do you agree with the above verse?

This was my number 4 question. Is Jesus the passover of Christians today? Who is excluded from it?

I didn't ask who observe what or not. And mind you, does your bible say they Jesus died to save the firstborn alone?


If Jn 6:54 refers to those going to heaven primarily, is it it true that those going to heaven will not be resurrected on the last day? In fact, isn't it true that those going to heaven started resurrection in 1914 when christ was present? And then as each of them die during christ presence, they are resurrected immediately to heavenly life? So how could there be resurrected in the last day again?


OK. So by what means do you attribute signs to some part and literal to other part?



But the Bible says they were declared righteous due to faith. Or is the Bible wrong?

Basically everything you asked ,if you read my previous post answers them without bias, they are there. I wont want to repeat myself unless it is something I havent actually addressed. They are short answers but capture all the questions you asked including this one.

I will only address John 6:54. John 6:54 poses more problems for you than for me. I'll briefly explain.

Jw believe 1914 was the year people going to heaven started to ascend. They call this period the last days. Of cause not all because some are still alive and haven't joined christ in heaven.

You dont believe in 1914, as such you believe christ started to rule in heaven immediately after his resurrection. So when does your last day start or end?

Did it start more than 2000 years ago, after the apostles died and "went to heaven" down to this time? How many centuries has since past?

Or do you believe the last day is still ahead, and so all the apostles are still dead and in the grave?

rottennaija:
Then you clearly misunderstood what I wrote. And you could have done yourself a little favour with a Google search. Ex post facto law has no connection with ignorance of a law. Like I explained, it is a law made after an event has occurred and then you applied the law to affect the event.

Example, riding a bike was legal in 1994 in Nigeria. The government made a law in 1998 making it illegal to ride a bike and the apply the law to past actions like those who rode bikes in 1994 so they can be punish. No constitution of any control allows such wicked laws to exist.

Now, how does a law made in the 27CE affects those who had died 1000s of years back?

You also getting it wrong. The seed as the hope of mankind was made in REAL TIME after Adam sinned, right in the garden of eden. It is not a back dated law.

God showed that only that seed could defeat the serpent and end sin and death that he caused.

So it renders the Ex post facto law ineffective.

Plus know that the blood of animals were never meant for giving ETERNAL LIFE but rather to forgive INDIVIDUAL sins and not ADAMS SIN or the sin we were born into.

rottennaija:
Respectfully, you did not. This is what you said "



My question is, What is Ex Post Facto Law and when it is effective or ineffective as it relates to the discussion?

You already explained what the Ex Post Facto Law is, so I dont need to go over it again. Ignorance of a law though was one angle you were trying to excuse the ancient and say the promised seed didnt affect them but that isn't true.

The ancient were fully aware of the seed and that through that seed all the earth will be blessed and they welcomed it.

Plus I also showed you that the blood of goats, sheeps , cows cannot take away sin permanently. They are even lower than the life of an imperfect man. Only the blood of the seed, another perfect man could.

rottennaija:
My next question.

2. When Jesus said "teaching the new disciples to obey all his command", which part were not in all?

3. When Ro 8:14 says all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God, who is excluded from all?

4. Is Jesus the passover of Christians today? Who is excluded from it?

5. Who are those to be raised on the last day in John 6:54?

6. Since Revelation was written as signs, why are the 144000 literal?

7. If God had declared the ancient mentioned in Hebrew 11 righteous through, what other qualifications do they need to satisfy you?

I'll be brief as usual.

2. Obey all parts, including abstaining from blood, preach etc.

3. Paul was speaking to those going to heaven, who God's spirit bears witnesses with them that they are God's son. While all Christian's have access to God's holy spirit, God's spirit bears particular witness with some in a special way than others.
When the disciples were anointed by holy spirit in pentecost, they all began speaking in different languages. When the holy spirit empowered the apostles they performed miracles, they prophesied etc? Yet not all Christian who the holy spirit come upon could perform miracles even then, yet they all had the holy spirit, 1 Corinthians 12:29 30. So just because all Christians have access to holy spirit doesnt mean God gives all of us equally his spirit.
You have the holy spirit, do you perform miraculous works?

4. Question 3 answers part of this. Like the first passover lamb, the blood was important to save ONLY the FIRST BORN SONS of each family and not the entire family, but every member of the family respectfully observed it. Christ died for us all as our lamb but amongst us he has FIRST BORN SONS that his death weighs more on cause of their special role.

5. That refers to people going to heaven primarily, as it follows with what I have explained above. Of cause secondarily those staying on earth will equally be resurrected but they cant eat the holy communion as I explained because they havent been chosen.

6. If you read my text properly while I said Revelation is in signs, I also said not ALL in bold letters.

7. They were declared righteous in line with the seed jesus and the ransom. It is the connection that you havent figured out yet.

rottennaija:
OK. It my turn to ask questions.

What is Ex Post Facto Law and when it is effective or ineffective as it relates to the discussion?

I have answered this previously. Kindly review my old for the EX post facto law answer.

rottennaija:
That was my part 1 response. Unfortunately, my second response was removed by nairaland for whatever reason.

Below is my part 2 response.

I read through your post, very lengthy.

I'll address those I can remember.

The bible I have come to believe is a book intertwined and collectively can be understood as a whole and not in bits and pieces, 2 Tim 3:16,17.

The bible was written as a guide to man to return him to God after Adam and Eve sinned in Eden. God wasted no time in mentioning how he would reconcile man to Him, through the seed, Gen 3:15.

That's seed and everything surrounding it, stands out from Genesis to Revelation.

There is no salvation without the seed. There is no ignoring that. You discarded the seed to suit your narrative that salvation came to the ancient without it, meanwhile their salvation is linked to the seed and the ransom.

As for the account of Revelation the great crowd mentioned are righteous humans on earth. As Revelation 1:1 shows, these things are said in "signs" and not ALL literally.

For example Revelation 7:9 you quoted shows that the number of the great crowd "no one was able to number". Let's look at that statement literally, how many humans have ever walked the earth since creation, that is all those dead and alive?

1 trillion persons? Is that too much. Okay 500 billion persons? Is that still too much. Okay 100 billion persons or even less?

Now minus only the righteous people from that number, how many are left? Less than 50 billion persons or less.

Now let's just assume for assumption purposes that 1 trillion is the number of righteous people to have walked the earth and are now in heaven. Is 1 trillion as a number "countable"?

Yes it is, even if its 100 trillion, it is countable. But that number is way more than every person that have ever be born from the beginning to now but it is still countable. So when Rev 7:9 says that the number of the great crowd "no one was able to number", that statement should not be taken as black and white. If you agree with this then it points to what Revelation 1:1 says that the book was written in "signs" and therefore needs some interpretation by the holy ghost.

I will not go into that.

As for organized religion, I know alot about it.
Let me use what I learnt in my study to explain.

God first organized Judaism and the Israelites as an organized people to follow it. Their first leaders, moses and Aaron despite having God's support were not infallible, intact they died in the wilderness for their sins.

Moses and Aaron did not see the promised land despite being leaders chosen by God and of Judaism.

God did not condemn Judaism for their act, rather he continued with it and appointed Joshua and so on and so forth. He finally moved from Judaism when the seed came and the Jews rejected him.

The seed brought another organized religion, Christianity. Jesus picked 12 disciples personally as first members of that new religion. Out of the 12 one betrayed him, one denied him three times and the others abandoned him and fled.

Yet christianity continued with those same set of people minus the one that betrayed jesus and many more disciples were added, Jews and gentiles and many churches were opened from Rome to Thesalonica. The apostles were not perfect, they made mistakes too in taking care of the churches, Paul and Barnabas even bitterly argued and parted ways, still for the ministry, Acts 15: 2.


There was no denomination in the Christian faith at this time, the apostles made sure all the churches of christ were one body under him. So organized religion has always been part of God's plan for christianity.

After their death though, denomination started springing up, given birth to different Christian bodies. Those that follow what jesus and the apostles did in the bible are those people who I believe are the true Christian church and yes it is not an individual but an organisation of individuals.

rottennaija:
That was my part 1 response. Unfortunately, my second response was removed by nairaland for whatever reason.

Below is my part 2 response.

Okay. Didnt see your response below

Unless you booked space to type it out again.

MaxInDHouse:
Just the highlighted!

So it is written “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Corinthians 15:45

Nice reference .

rottennaija:
Here is it...

David, Abraham and other ancient servant of old were not born again. For all intent and purposes, the concept of spiritual rebirth did not exist until Jesus introduced it. David lived under the mosaic law covenant. Abraham lived in a different time. The faithful men and women listed in Hebrews 11 all lived in a different time. So the idea of born again does not/did not apply to them. The same is true of John the Baptist, he was not alive when Jesus introduced the idea of born again, or when the new Christ covenant came into effect in the night of Jesus death.

In Law, there is what is called an ex post facto law. It is a law that retroactively makes criminal an act that was not criminal at the time it was done. An example of an ex post facto law is a law passed in 1994 that applies to acts that occurred in 1989. Let's say smoking cigarette was legal in 2016 , then in 2020 the Nigeria government passes a law that makes smoking cigarette illegal and then makes the law ex post facto, applying the law to those who had smoke (probably even stopped) before the law came into effect and punishes these ones. What do you think about that such law? Is it not tyranny of authority? It may interest you to know that the Nigerian constitution prohibits ex post facto laws for its obvious reasons.

How does this apply?

All men from the times of Jesus are expected to have faith in him, his shed blood etc for salvation and forgiveness of sins. This came into effect when the new covenant came into faith in the night of Jesus' death. If Abraham, David etc are expected to do so when they are no longer alive (death and buried for 1000s of years), how is that fair and kind? That is not considering that God is one of Justice.

[b][/b]These are the fact, the ancient men/women mentioned in the bible had their names written in the book of life as it were by fulfilling the requirements of their time. Abraham was a man of outstanding faith, the bible refers to him as the father of all those having faith. David was described by God as one whose heart agree with his. Same with Abel. God's prophets did their assignment faithfully. All these ones had their different requirement based on the time in which they lived and they were approved by God.

Now consider these. In 2006 when I had admission into the University to Study Engineering, Further Mathematics was not a requirement in my O'Level. (Math, Eng, Phy, Chem, Bio) where the requirements. In my year 3, Futher Mathematics was an O'Level entry requirement for anyone seeking admission into the university. I had since graduated. The University is not asking me to come present my O'Level Further Mathematics or risk losing my certificates. This would be an Ex Post Facto Law. The same in applicable in most areas... as an example, many who were employed into the government civil service in the 1980s were not required to have certain papers like Math (or could be required to have a Pass in Math). But today, it is required they have a Credit in Math.

Let me also add this as I had explained it sometimes ago in this forum. How about the thief on the left who was impaled with Jesus? He lived at the time of Jesus but did not partake of the emblem nor was said to be born again? But consider the facts, this man lived in the time of Jesus, but mostly in prison. He likely had heard a lot about Jesus and when he was impaled alongside him, he displayed exceeding faith in Jesus despite the scorn, mockery and ridiculed made by others. In response to the plea to remember him in his kingdom, Jesus made a direct promised that he would be with him in paradise.

Let me illustrate this way... there is an advertise vacancy for employment. Many are filling forms, some are queening for interview, screening etc. Then the CEO of the company probably on his way out or in; comes across an applicant, probably with non of the requirement for the job. Either by a stroke of luck or sympathy for the applicant dues to coming to know of the applicants' plight offered him/her automatic employment. In this case, the individual has not done any or all the things done by others for the job but is given the job anyway. We see this happen many times. Some call it unmerited favour. When you are chosen by God, you are automatically qualified.


That was what what you learnt from your study as many JWs had learnt from their studies that the heavenly choosing was closed in 1935 and that if anything, those chosen are replacement to those who became disloyal. Of course, you must be aware this doctrine was discarded about 6 years ago after 70 years of believe. The same can be said about the generation believe of JWs, whose teaching has been abandoned, discarded, revisited severally. What is my point? Learning from your studies does not mean what you learn was true. It just is what is it... what you learnt.

Here is what you need to start doing. Anytime you learn new things, you need to have a proper study and research. When it concerns the bible, you need to study so well the verse, the chapter and the surrounding text. In fact, you need to learn the context of each portion of the bible. It will help you a great deal. In my experience, this is what the JWs fail (or do not know) to do.

Let me ask you, the idea of heavenly calling as explained by the JWs, does it make sense to you? How did those who claim to have the heavenly calling know they did? How do you know the person sitting next to you does not have it? Quoting Ro 8:16, they said "God's spirit bears witness with your spirit" that you are chosen. In what way? How? who? You see these are the messes you get yourself into when you begin to form believes that are not there. You dig more holes that are becoming increasingly difficult to fill and then neglect the most relevant scriptural text that actually addresses the topic.

Let me keep it this simple. How is someone born again? What is the new birth?

What does it mean to be born again?

"Born again" literally means "born from above." Other expressions used in the bible are: “a new creature”, “Baptized into Christ”, “Sons of God through faith”, “Children of God”, “new birth”. (2 Co 5:17, Ro 6:3, Ga 3:26, John 6:44, 1 Pe 1:3,23)

The “new birth”, is an act of God whereby eternal life is given to the anyone who have faith and believes in his son, Jesus, for forgiveness of sin, salvation and being right with God. It is a new beginning, a new life of a new relationship, for the individual between himself and God, through his faith in Jesus. 2 Co 5: 17 says, “if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation; the old things passed away; look! new things have come into existence.”

The union with Christ is when you choose to have faith in Jesus and believe in him, baptized in his name. Leaving your god(s) behind, you exercising faith in Jesus, trusting him to reconcile you with God, for forgiveness of his sins and gaining salvation and thereby being made son of God. John wrote “to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name”. (John 1:12) Similarly, the apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 3:26, “You are all … sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus”

Note the use all in those verses. There is no exclusive middle.

[b]HOW DOES ANYONE BECOME BORN AGAIN?[b]
The following scriptures answers the question:
(John 1:12) However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name.
(1 John 5:1-4) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and carry out his commandments. 
(Galatians 3:26) You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.
(1 John 2:29) If you know that he is righteous, [/u]you also know that everyone who practices righteousness has been born from him.
(1 John 3:9) [u]Everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, for His seed remains in such one, and he cannot practice sin, for he has been born from God.
(1 John 5:18) We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, but the one born from God watches him, and the wicked one cannot take hold of him.
(1 John 4:7) Beloved ones, let us continue loving one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born from God and knows God.

I am guessing during your study, none of these verse were read. You would not be an exception because Jws do not know these scriptures exist. Put all these text side by side and it becomes clear who has the spiritual rebirth.

A few things are consistent and clear from the above quoted scriptures, born again comes by namely, believing in Jesus, having faith in him, not practicing sin anymore, being baptized, having a new personality, basically living in Christ Jesus. Exercising faith and believe in Jesus is what makes an individual to be born again. Basically, being born again is being a Christian. **

**Take note of this**
A True Christian is A True Christian. Anyone who claims a Christian but is not a true to it is no Christian.




Romans 8:16 - The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children.

When JWs quote this scriptures, they only hear part of the story. Here is the other part.
Romans 8:14 - For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons

Are the 8m+ JWs not led by God's spirit? Is the leading by God's spirit limited to just a handful of people? Are family heads not led by God's spirit? How about single sisters? Pioneers? Publishers? If I remember correctly, they al claim being led by God's spirit at one point or another. In any case, all who are led by God's spirit are indeed God's son.

In fact, there is no way you read the Christian Greek scriptures without coming to see that all true Christians are spirit born. For this reason the watchtower tries to exclude more than 8m+ JWs from it, saying the Christian Greek scriptures was not written for them (those who claim the earthly hope) but only for the anointed. What are they reading it for?

Let me dig into Romans chapter 8
When a Witness or any one else asks, “How does one know whether he or she is of the ‘anointed’ class with heavenly hopes?” the standard response is to refer to Paul’s statement at Romans, chapter eight, verses 16, 17: "The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. If, then, we are children, we are also heirs, heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together."

The official teaching has been, and is, that only those of the 144,000 “anointed” can have such ‘witness of the spirit,’ and that this would tell them that they were of the select group of 144,000 who alone could hope for heavenly life. All others could only be classed as “prospective” children of God and their hopes must be earthly. In reading the context, from the very start of the chapter, it is evident that the apostle Paul was indeed writing about two classes of people. But not two classes divided by their hope of either heavenly or earthly life in the future.

The two classes instead clearly were: those guided by God’s spirit, on the one hand, and those ruled by the sinful flesh, on the other. The contrast the apostle set forth was not between hope of life in heaven or of life on earth, but between life and death themselves, between friendship with God or enmity with God. As verses 6 through 9 state:

"For the minding of the flesh means death, but the minding of the spirit means life and peace; because the minding of the flesh means enmity with God, for it is not under subjection to God, nor, in fact can it be. So those who are in harmony with the flesh cannot please God. However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this one does not belong to him."

There is no question about heavenly or earthly life in Paul’s discussion but simply whether one was living by God’s spirit or was instead living according to the sinful flesh. Paul made it clear that it was one thing or the other: Either one had God’s spirit and produced its fruitage or he was at enmity with God and did not belong to Christ. Without that spirit there could be no “life and
peace,” only death. If the person did have God’s spirit, then he was a son of God, for Paul states in Ro 8:14 "For all who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons".

Those led by that spirit would have the “witness” of the spirit to that effect, including the evidence of its fruitage in their lives, somewhat similar to the way the Bible says that Abel, Enoch, Noah and others had “witness borne to them” that they were pleasing to God.

A true Christian in the first century could not be led by the sinful, fleshly spirit. The same is true today, a true Christian cannot also be led by the spirit of the flesh. A true Christian is one who does not mind the flesh, but the spirit. In simple terms, a true Christian is a true Christian. The inspired scriptures know no other. All are called to hear the voice of Jesus the good shepherd, show the same kind of faith and love, the same fruitage of the God’s spirit, enjoying the same relationship with Him as sons.

These things are really simple.

I'll be brief. Right from Adam after they sinned, they knew about God's plan for the salvation of man, Genesis 3:15. That is the SEED. The promised seed was the ONLY way man could be saved from sin and death.

The blood of animals could never TAKE AWAY SIN PERMANENTLY, Hebrews 10:4. As such nobody could gain eternal life from them, because Adam a perfect man lost perfection, only another perfect man's death and not the death of goat, sheep or cows (who are not made in God's image) could make one gain eternal life.

Only the blood of the seed; Jesus christ as said in the beginning of time in the garden of eden could, genesis 3:15.

The ancients like abraham, david etc were AWARE of this, because God told them that the SEED will come from their lineage, hence they were all expectant of the SAVIOUR OF MANKIND, and this renders the Ex Post Facto Law ineffective.

The whole of the old testament points to the coming of the MESSIAH or SAVIOUR, even the Jews knew about the promised SEED, including those that hated jesus.

So it was only through christ death and through the eating of the holy communion that a servant of God can make heaven, there is no other way.

If you believe the blood of goat, sheep, and cows can take one to heaven then christ died for nothing. Then also the ransom doesnt add up either. How does the life of an animal lower than sinful man and not even a perfect man give eternal life? Its unheard of.


Also Adam lost perfect life on a paradise on earth. The ransom is to restore what Adam lost, as if taking us back to factory setting. Jesus death is to restore what Adam lost, it's that simple.

Adam did not lose perfect life in heaven as an angel, he lost it as a man on earth. God could simply have made us Angel's in the beginning if that was what he desired.

So the part were all Christians are born again and go to heaven doesnt add up. It's more like a fairy tale.

Like I said I'll keep it simple.

rottennaija:
I'll respond to the other ones and any other questions you have. I just have been quite busy.

Ok no p

MightySparrow:
Reading through the thread needsanwer, is insincere with his question. He is already a JWs wanting to peddle his belief.

My take is you are not sincere, your question is and or you are not reasonable.

Wise Nairalanders, pls ignore him.

Honestly I dont get where you are coming from. I was drawn to the OP by his post searching for answers he may have found. The most important I asked him first.

I asked are the jw bad news and if they are what religion is he with now?

If he mentioned one, I would have looked at them discreetly unless he shares that with me here. So he said he doesnt know any and that's not really helpful.

So OP has answered my major question, so I hope I can breath now sir.

achorladey:
I am talking about my response to your questions. Did you get the answers you seek?

My question was directed at the OP, I have my answers already. So thanks.

achorladey:
Hope you got the needed answers you seek

It's obvious from my post on this topic, so yes.

achorladey:
Hello, so I have this elderly JW couple studying with me for some months now, do you think they are a bad idea?

Since when has someone studying the scripture with another fellow become a bad idea?


If they are what religion do you associate with currently

What religion is pure and undefiled from God's standpoint based on what you have studied so far from the elderly people you have been studying with?

The two questions above have answers embedded in them. I only hope your knowledge and study of the scriptures as stated here in your post can pick them out.

Thanks for your input.

MaxInDHouse:
Whenever i listen to a JW comment i always feel that touch of competency in their handling God's word aright.

With the way you're commenting you're confusing me the more unless you're another Maximus because i completed my studied with JWs and started dodging the preaching aspect due to carrying of bags from house to house.
But even the elders in any congregation i go often ask me again "are you sure you're yet to baptise?" a circuit overseer one called me "the unbaptized elder"
My brother, with what i'm seeing so far you're saved in JEHOVAH'S memory book, may His underserved kindness keep your feet and make you firm on the path of righteousness.
I'm off the thread my brother,
See you in PARADISE!

this made me laugh so hard Max. I ask so many questions, my questions can be annoying.

My moniker says it all. That's who I am and that is why I know a little too much, that's also why I am even asking the OP the questions I am, to know if I missed something, but it's good to learn I am on track.

We will see ourselves in paradise, Jah will help me walk the walk and not just me talking .

rottennaija:
Matthew 5:3-5 New International Version
3. “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need,+ since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
5 “Happy are the mild-tempered,+ since they will inherit the earth.+

This is what JWs think they believe. Here is the reality in simple concise way, all true Christians are conscious of their spiritual need. That is why they accepted to have faith in Jesus and his blood to cleanse their sins for salvation. Any body who believes in God, Jesus, bible, etc are conscious of their spiritual needs. The original greek word for Mt 3:3 means poor (beggar) in spirit. It shows the idea of a destitute condition where you depend on others to fill that need. In this case, an individual understands his destitute situation, in need of a higher assistance for salvation since all are sinners.

All JWs are conscious of their spiritual needs. That is why they pray, read the bible, beg for forgiveness of sins etc. Mt 5:3 says, those conscious of their spiritual needs are happy since the kingdom of the heavens belong to them. It is that simple. All baptized Christian are conscious of their spiritual needs.

Matthew 5:3-5
5 “Happy are the mild-tempered,+ since they will inherit the earth.+

I will keep this very simple. Mild tempered ones are happy because they will inherit the earth. Take note of these words, "inherit the earth" Mt 5:5, "belong to them" Mt 5:3. If I might ask you, who inherit what? Can a servant inherit what belongs to sons or daughters? No. Or in the context of Mt 5:3, can a servant claim ownership of what does not belong to them? Only sons and daughters own, inherits what, not servant or hired hands.

Here is my point. Mt 5:5 applied principally to Jesus and to his anointed brothers. (Most JWs quoting the passage are not aware of but it is there in their publications). As the preeminent mild-tempered one, it is Jesus whom God has appointed “as heir of all things”. It is to Jesus whom his father has willed to nations as “his inheritance, and the ends of the earth his possession”. (He 1:2, Ps 2:8 )

Jesus’ followers, by virtue of their faith in him and his blood, are adopted as sons of God. (Jn 1:12; 1 Jn 5:1-4; Ga 3:26) As sons, they are also heirs of God, joint heirs with Jesus (Ro 8:17). As joint heir, they share in his inheritance, including the earth, which belongs to Jehovah and which he has willed to his son (Ps 24:1; 1 Co 10:26).

So how can those who are not Christ brothers share in inheriting the earth? It is like asking, how can tenant (who are not related to the family) share in inheriting the properties? It simply is not possible, unless it has been willed to them. These are what JWs do not know. They cannot inherit the earth unless they are anointed ones, christ brothers.

Here is another interesting point. In my previous response, I had said that because of creating a false 2 class system, it has force them to exclude millions from the new covenant and Jesus mediating role. Now, it gets even more interesting. Take a survey into JWs publications, you will see that in their mention and trying to apply Mt 5:5 to those whom they say will live on earth, in each of such references, the inherit of Mt 5:5 is always enclosed in double quote. Why? Because the verse does not apply to the supposed earthly class but to Jesus and his anointed brothers, basically those going to heaven.



This another interesting verse but nothing in that verse suggest John is not going to be in heaven. Saying the least in my father's house is greater than those living in his property does not in anyway suggest they do not live in the said property. There is no where in Lu 7:28 (same with Mt 11:11) that say John is not going to heaven. He simply said the least in that Kingdom is greater than him.

You can also keep in mind that this was made about him at a time when John was still living and evidently as relating to his human life and career, what he was as a man. No human, no matter how great on earth, is equal to any of those forming Christ’s heavenly kingdom, possessing the likeness of their kingly Head. But the comparative inferiority of John’s human, earthly career, certainly would not preclude John’s becoming one of those in that heavenly kingdom. While that is so, it may well be that Jesus was actually focusing on quite a different aspect of matters, as indicated by the context, dealing with the matter of prophets. Even John’s work of preparing the way for Christ is not equal to the superior privilege of having accepted him, placing faith in, and bearing witness to, his death and resurrection as a Ransomer, etc. The JWs interpretation is heavily conditioned by circular reasoning and is simplistic, essentially ignoring the context and reality of the existing circumstances.

I want to believe that in your bible study with them, they never opened up verse like He 11:14-16 which specifically said those ancient servant of God will be in heaven as God had prepared a place for them. Or Mt 8:11 where Jesus was very specific that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be in heaven? Or Re 19:1 which says multitudes are in heaven?



Yes. David did not ascend to heaven. Note the use of the past tense, "did" not "will" (future tense) It was true when it was written that David did not ascend. But in view of He 11:14-16; Mt 8:11; Re 19:1; Re 7:9-15, these people will be in heaven with Jesus.



These are what you learnt, you learnt them from JWs books, their doctrine, their beliefs. When you read the bible alone, you get a different perspective.

Here are the fact, there is nowhere in the bible where Jesus promised to make the earth into a paradise. Restoration prophecies where Judaism believes, and it was in relation to their homeland. Jesus death gives us everlasting life, that was what Adam lost and that was what he restored. In the bible, after their deliverance from Egypt, God had promised the Israelite that if they obeyed him, followed him, he was going to make them a kingdom of priest and a holy nation (Ex 19:3-6). Take note that this was a promised to be fulfilled at a future time predicated on their obedience to him.

This promise was never fulfilled as the nation of Israel (under the mosaic law) kept disobeying him. So God made plans for a new dispensation, a new covenant. This new covenant brought on many changes, no animal sacrifice, law of love, faith in Jesus leads to salvation not obedience to the mosaic law etc. How many Israelite would have been Kings and priest of God if they had been obedience and loyal? 100s of 1000s? Millions? Being a kingdom of priest and a holy nation means all members of the kingdom are priest and kings (that is where the idea Kingdom of priest comes from).

But here is an interesting twist, since the nation of Israel where not faithful to God, rejected the Christ and killed him, the priestly kingdom which came into effect with the new covenant was now on a spiritual nation of Israel, called the Israel of God. Any one from anywhere can be a part of the Kingly priesthood by virtue of their faith in Jesus. In the mosaic law covenant, none Israelite could have inheritance or share sonship, in the new covenant arrangement, non Israelite could be sons of God and share in sonly inheritance.

Jesus came to save men, bring them to God, reconcile relationship between God and men, invite many who previously were outsides into that relation. He told his disciples that in his father's house, there are many houses, he will go, prepare a place and be back to carry them. This is consistence with He 11:14-16; Mt 8:11; Re 19:1; Re 7:9-15. Nowhere did he promise to make the earth a paradise for his disciples to live in. All true Christians are sons of God.

What you learnt from Jws is a mixture of part Judaism, part Christianity. I may add, I came to see that the very reason why the majority of the Christian community have beliefs that are basically unchanged for 100s of years is because they are stated so in the bible. Reading the bible on your own, you see this things too. But Jws have beliefs that are reviewed and revised every 10 to 15 years. I came to see reason being these beliefs, on the most part are invented by people inside bethel, mostly sensational when introduced but with the passage of time, it becomes obvious they would not make sense so they get reviewed, revised, changed, abandoned.

Thanks for the feedback.

So I read all your quoted scriptures, and I have a question for you. Jesus christ said unless one becomes born again he cannot inherit the kingdom of God, John 3:3.
So were David, abraham etc born again?

I learnt from my study that to be born again, God's spirit will have to choose you, you cant choose yourself, Roman's 8:16.

And to cement that calling all those who are born again of the spirit must eat the holy communion, without that you havent sealed the calling. Did David, abraham, John the Baptist do any of this?

So they arent born again according to the word, so how then do they go to heaven. Is there a back door?

As for the nation of kings and priest. I believe that has been fulfilled to the Jews firstly, cause they have kings and tribes of priests. It's just like saying God promised to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, was that fulfilled?

Did the jews literally have their land pouring with milk and honey everywhere? No but with what I know God gave them all they needed. They never lacked as long as they were on his side. Same with the nation of priests and kings. He didnt say he will make them all kings and priests but their nation of priests and kings, the ALL absent and they were a nation of kings and priests.

As for what man lost, man lost perfect life on earth. It makes logical sense that that was what will be regained and not that in heaven. Unless the ransom doesnt really add up. If God wanted us as Angel's he should just have made us so, everybody going to heaven to live eternally doesnt add up with what Adam lost.


And a great multitude in heaven, I know the Angel's make a great multitude already, add that with those going to heaven and your large number is complete.

Kobojunkiee:
But I don't deny any part of the Bible, not even what Paul wrote in his letter to Timothy. You are the one who assumes that I do.

I simply see it for what it is ...something religion has blinded those of you who subscribe to it and its many doctrines, to.

Jesus Christ warned you against the doctrines and traditions of men, what He declared were lies, that had the consequences of drawing those who imbibe and follow after them away from God and His Truth. Your religions are built in exactly those -doctrines and traditions of men- and as Jesus Christ said, they lead away, not towards God.

There is no point twisting words, as you can tell I am straight forward, I have told you what I have for you. Do with it as you please, no need to be beating around the Bush with me.

I am not in that frame of mind yesterday and today. Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted reminds me of an Iman who wanted to establish the use of hijab (veil) in the Bible.
I was dumbfounded when this man quoted Paul.
Why? Because he taught us back then that Paul didn't know Jesus so his writing is NOT INSPIRED!
It was later when i became one of JWs that i realized there is no verse from Genesis to Revelation where anyone can quote to back the hijab apart from Paul's letter!

I agree with you. Its is distasteful for anyone to deny Paul as not been inspired of God in his writings. He wrote the most part of the new testament.

Kobojunkiee:
That I have read extrabiblical idea does not imply that I rely on extrabiblical items. So stop quipping about what you know nothing of.

I instead rely on God Himself to teach me His truth, just as He declared of His New Covenant, that He would. God declared through His prophets Isaiah, Ezekial, Jeremiah and others that in His New Covenant, He alone will be Teacher/Shepherd/Father/Master/Comforter/Counselor/Helper, etc. to all those who belong to Him. He has been my one and only teacher, that is why you and I can't agree because I don't see God from religions point of view but from the point of view I have been given by God Himself.
For example, your religion tells you that only Paul was called to the gentiles, but anyone with an open eye would realize that this is not true at all since Jesus Christ Himself already commanded His disciples, after He rose from the grave- his resurrection of great significance to this, by the way - into the world to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom to all . P.s. the world was not filled, even at that them with just jews.

I don't need to be a Christian more than Paul. I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ just like Paul and the others were - we are all equal in the Kingdom of God.

As long as you deny 2 Tim 3:16,17 which is part of the bible and every bible in the world from the 1st century till date then I can tell you you dont actually hold the word of God in high esteem.

To deny one part of the bible is to deny all parts of the bible. The concluding part of Revelation says do not add or subtract from the word, take it as it is.

So that's my message for you. I wish you the best.

Kobojunkiee:
The extrabiblical books have nothing to do with this. So, please spare us the lazy attempts at an excuse.

When Paul wrote his letter to Timothy, a mere letter that you now consider scripture, many of those extrabiblical scripture that are not found in your bible today, were considered, and read by even paul himself while he was a pharisee. What you call "the Bible" did not exist at that time either.

Now extrabiblical knowledge not restricted to scripture also belongs to God as is established for you beginning in the book of Genesis. You are told there that God is the owner of all knowledge, meaning all knowledge is inspired by Him. Paul telling you that scripture is inspired by God does not negate the fact that All knowledge of good and evil, including that which is extrabiblical , is all inspired by God.

Now, God does not tell you to put your trust in the bible or in any book. He instead tells you to put your Trust in Him and in His Word. It would be obvious to anyone who in fact reads the bible that the book does not only contain the declarations of God alone. You find the words and opinions of men in there, evil men as well including words of demons and Satan too. Does all that constitute the Word of God? No, instead the Word of God refers to the Words directly attributed to the person of God(Jesus Christ also). This idea of believing in the bible- doctrines that teach holiness and inerrancy of the book alone- has no bearing in scripture as it is a product of religion that has helped enslave the minds of so many. Of course religion has to package all these lies in name of God in order to deceive the gullible and ignorant out there.

Now I see why we cant agree on the bible. You rely so heavily on extrabiblical books that are not from God, only the bible is.

Only Paul was called an apostle to the gentiles (none jews) and through him the message of christianity spread through Europe and down to us all and you are discrediting him and his missionary work because you dont agree with what God directed him to write in 2 Tim 3:16,17?

I believe, you believe you are more of a Christian than Paul and you are better than him, seeing how you rubbished him. He died as a martyr for jesus in the bible preaching to the Romans and he died for the word.

Read your extrabiblical books all you like but dont pretend you are fighting for the faith of christianity if you can rubbish Paul and the words God directed him to write to prove a point, which isn't even biblical or in the word of God.

Kobojunkiee:
I bet even the pharisees and the many other shepherds of Old, all of them men of the established religion of the day, offered a similar rebuttal when Ezekiel announced to then in Ezekial 34 that God had declared Himself against them all.

Recall that all knowledge of good and evil belongs to God, not religion or men. So, even the the knowledge and Word of God stored up in your Bible today does not belong to any man but to God. So, if God wants to use it to teach anyone of His, it is His to use as He chooses.

That said, I didn't first know God through the Bible... I came to know Him by following that tiny voice inside of me to finding Him. He then led me to reading books, most of them extrabiblical.

Those extrabiblical books are why we cant agree. 2 Tim 3:16,17 already tells you not to doubt any part of the bible and it is from God including parts you may not want to accept like how the early churches were formed and how the apostle were going from places to places to strengthen those churches.

Read more of the bible, maybe then we can agree on something.

MaxInDHouse:
It's like he's having a tough time getting you to think like him so let me help him!

Jesus is the Highpriest who takes the sacrifice into the Most Holy in heaven, just as the Highpriest in ancient Israel is the one and only person who can enter the Most Holy inside the Temple.

But while all Israelites know the Highpriest in Israel and can speak to him, all his sacred duties in the temple is with the other priests no Israelite comes to present his/her gift directly to the Highpriest, their sacrifices comes into the Temple through the Levites though the highpriest himself is a levite by birth.

So the same way it happens after Jesus (the new Highpriest) came to establish the new covenant, whatever anyone wants to offer as sacrifice of praise inside this spiritual temple must pass through the spiritual Levites (144,000) that's why all other religions are not organized and orderly in their worship because each religionst feels that since he/she has direct access to Jesus' name and can approach God's throne personaly then they can also determine the mode of worship that pleases them, this is what makes JW organization differ totally from all others.

Satan continue to blindfold them by assisting them with fruitless, worthless and purposeless signs and wonders {Revelations 13:13, 16:14, 19:20} as if whatever mode of worship they choose is OK!

So Jesus was referring to the disorderliness that this people will practice in his name while performing their so called miracles when he said "many will say to me 'Lord, Lord we performed so many miracles in your name' then i will say to them 'i never knew you, get away from me you workers of LAWLESSNESS (INIQUITY)'"

Their Iniquity is what is causing confusion among them so even when they're claiming worshipers of the same God, they find it difficult to come to terms on mode of worship!

So just like the Israelites of old who has no right to perform any sacred service inside the temple, Jehovah's Witnesses know that the mode of worship most be in line with what the 144,000 born again teaches the great crowd, because Jesus is working directly with them not just everyone calling his name! Revelations 14:4

Thanks for the input too.

Kobojunkiee:
Yes, Christianity is a religion created by men as a way of "controlling" the access of other men to God and the things of God.

Jesus Christ never gave you Christianity, though. Instead, what He gave each and every man is a contract, direct access to God for each individual to have, complete in itself.

From the very beginning, God made it known to man that what He wants is a direct relationship with man, and all He asked and continues to ask is that we each trust and obey the terms of the agreement between Himself and individual man.

Yes, humans are social creatures but God isn't human and so should not be made subject to our nature and ways of perceiving our existence. He is God and God wants nothing else but a one-on-one relationship with man.

And you knew about jesus who lived more than 20 centuries ago from where? You meet him at home?

Was it not through the bible you knew him. Was it not his disciples that wrote half of that book? Was it not those same disciples the spoke with in flesh and later in spirit when he ascended to heaven?

Was it not all those information that was compiled in the book called the bible that you read about jesus from, including books directed to churches like romans etc?

2 Tim 3:16,17 tells you the source of the entire bible which is from God.

Kobojunkiee:
I happen to believe that Religion- a system of faith and worship- is falsehood particularly since it is simply man's way of exerting control over his fellow men.. it is all man made.

As I mentioned in previous posts, Jesus Christ is a contract between God and individual men. There is no place for third parties in that contract and this Truth established by God over 2000 years ago - independent of today's trends. But look around you, that Contract, still true to this day, mind you, is majorly ignored so that the religions of men can dominate and grow over the Truth of God.

Your 2 paragraphs seem to be contradictory. Christianity is a religion, there are so many others. So if you believe christianity is man made since it's a religion then you have discredited it already.

rottennaija:
I once read in a website that there is nothing like a true religion, that the very concept of religion is based on human making. When it comes to human and its organization, you are likely going to see that they will be so invested in their organization surviving even when it means continuing a false belief. We see this all too often in government organizations, companies, movies ... religion is no different.

Like I said in my first second response to you, I try as much as possible to avoid big organized groups or religion. For me, the fewer the better, because when few people see they made an error, they will very likely correct it. But when big organization see it, correcting such might likely bring unpleasant consequences, especially an organization that is highly invested in it's image. In such organization, truth does not matter, only being consistent matters.

On the subject of atheisms, probably dues to our indoctrination, I think we have been made to fall into a false dichotomy. If you observe the current trend, there is a growing number of people that are Christians but do not want to have anything to do with organized religion. And it is projected that such numbers will continue to grow. So it fall into a false argument that you must to belong to a religion to worship God. Often, those who make these argument are trying to preserve what they hold dear.

To your conclusion, I think the answer is simple. People are social beings as such they follow current trends whether intentionally or subconsciously. It's simply the trend to be a free thinker these days, but that doesnt change the facts or what is right.

Just the way it is unnatural for man and man or woman and woman or humans and objects to have romantic relationships even marriage, it is a trend that is on the rise today, still doesnt make it natural or right but it's becoming the norm.

To the other part, if you truly believe religion is a concept of man then religion is falsehood in itself. JW and every other religion should be castigated by you seeing they are all falsehood and a figment of human imagination. But I dont believe this to be true myself.

Evolution, the only other natural way of explaining life is a very faulty theory, i have dismantled it severally to atheist and they couldn't answer. It turns out you still need BLIND FAITH TO BELIEVE MANY ASPECT OF IT, even though mathematical, experimental and scientific data cannot confirm it. Evolution turns out to be just another figment of man's imagination but it's a convenient take for theist deniers.

rottennaija:
Do you want my response to each of these or can forget about them?

If you will be concise then I am open to it.

rottennaija:
A mediator stands between 2 groups of people. A mediator is one who mediates, that is, one who acts as an intermediary to work with opposing sides in order to bring about a settlement. A mediator attempts to influence a disagreement between two parties with the goal of resolving a dispute.

In the new dispensation, the mosaic law is not longer in force, between God and humanity today, Jesus stands as the mediator. The differences and similarities can be seen when you compare the worship arrangement in the old law covenant and the new covenant.

Old Law Covenant
Animals blood were sacrificed
Animals died
Shed blood leads to forgiveness of sins (temporary)
Frequent/Yearly sacrifice needed
Levites were priest of God
Moses was the mediator (between God and men)
Old Covenant in force
Old covenant based on law
Old covenant leads to death
Old covenant written in stone tablet

New Christ Covenant
Jesus blood is sacrificed
Jesus died
Shed blood leads to forgiveness of sins (Permanently)
Sacrificed done once for all time
Jesus is priest
Jesus is the mediator (Jesus is the mediator between God and all men)
New Covenant in force
New covenant based on love (the law of love)
New Covenant leads to life
New Covenant written in hearts

The above listed (new covenant) are the basis of Christianity. All facets of the new covenant apply to all true Christian. It is true JWs pray through Jesus, ask for forgiveness through Jesus among other things. These are in obvious acknowledgement that Jesus is that mediator that acts between God and all men. So that even when I show some of their belief of this, they vehement declare Jesus is their mediator which is a good thing.

This is where the issues are. When you look at all the facets of the new covenant, it applies to all person (or all who accept the Christian faith, Jws inclusive). They offer prayer through Jesus, do not offer animal sacrifice, believed Jesus died for them to be save (they often use the term "grateful for the ransom", believe Jesus is that high priest that presented his blood to God in the most holy (as the high priest in the old law covenant did) etc.

You remember that they have 2 class reward system, where they said some Christians (anointed 144,000) will go to heaven while the remaining will be here on earth. Now, because of this 2 class reward system, and because the bible specifically said that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant (He 9:15), they are now forced to say that Jesus is not the mediator for all men (against the bible teaching of 1 Ti 2:5) because their believe in the 2 class system says only 144,000 are in the new covenant.

Here is what Hebrews 9:15 says: “For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.” It is through the new covenant that the ransom is made to free humans from sins, so how are millions of Christians not in the new covenant?

Here is the conundrum facing them... if Jesus is the mediator of all men, it then means that all true Christians (all who accept the Christian faith etc) are Christ brothers, would be with him in heaven (against their traditional belief that only 144,000 would go to heaven). So the leadership created a belief system where Jesus is only a mediator of just 144,000 people but is high priest for all people. By virtue of this one teaching (i.e the 2 class heaven/earth reward system), it forces them to teach that the new covenant is only for 144,000 where Jesus mediates but the benefit of Jesus ransom is applicable to all. This begs the question, if the new covenant does not apply to all Christian or millions of people, why then are they not sacrificing animals, yearly or weekly? Because if you are not bound by the new covenant, then you are bounded by the mosaic law (which is not the case).

So there is this situation where because of one false doctrine (2 class reward system), you are forced to make a series of other false doctrine just to protect it to an extent of saying the new testament (Christian Greek scriptures) was written to only the anointed Christians (144,000 people), so why are millions of people reading it, obeying it and applying it in their lives?

Now, chances are, this old JW couple are unaware of the doctrine on mediating of Jesus. Most JWs are not aware of it, until they are posed with the question. I was not aware of it until I started making my own independent research. The link below explains the topic further

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mediator.php

Side Note:
The other downside is this - if Jesus is not mediating for millions of people, who is? You will see how this creates an avenue for the leadership to be secondary mediators, making them more important, casting a big shadow in the eyes of the followers. Here is the reality, they tell members that they need to identify Christ brothers (those called anointed Christians) and to associate with them (eventually as we discuss further, you will see how this is linked with their insistence that you have to belong to a group, most especially their group ).

But here is the reality, when congregations have those Christ brothers within them ( those claim the heavenly hope in their local groups or congregations), they do not fully trust them to be called Christ brothers; they do not talk about stuffs like heavenly hope, how they had the calling, etc, in fact, anything related to heaven is not discuss among them (usually living these ones isolated). These are clearly forbidden, in fact, if these ones with the heavenly hope talks about these things, they will distrust the person more and more, believing he/she is proud and likely does not have such calling. There is this feeling of uneasiness around them. So in reality, the only ones they actually consider to be "truly Christ brothers" are the leadership, the governing body.

So when they the admonition is made to identify and associate with Christ brothers, it is actually a call to identify and stay loyal to the leadership making them indispensable to their faith. Basically masters of their faith they become. A Jw will believe what their leadership says more than what they read or see from the bible, they are train to distrust themselves.


You can find more discussion on the subject here
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-mediator.html

Thanks for your detailed response. I'll be brief though. Still stressed for now.

I learnt from my study that jesus said that the righteous will live both in heaven and on earth, matt 5: 3,5.

Jesus also said that of all men born from women, John the Baptist was the greatest but the least person in heaven is greater than John the Baptist, Luke 7:28. Why is that so? I learnt that was because John did not take part in the lord's last supper as such is not born again to enter into the heavens. His portion is on earth.

I learnt that David did not ascend to heaven with the saints despite been righteous, acts 2:34. And this was said during the time of the apostles.

I learnt jesus death frees us from sin and death giving us the opposite which Adam lost and that is everlasting life on earth. Jesus taking some to rule in heaven is to bring about that paradise earth.

Jesus death gives us everlasting life, that was what Adam lost and that was what he restored.

MaxInDHouse:
Just continue to rejoice my brother because many i tell you are out there suffering and deceived day and night for what JEHOVAH has drawn you to come and enjoy {John 6:44} so let your heart be joyful always my brother, you are on the road to everlasting life {Isaiah 30:21 compare to Matthew 7:13-14}
I was a Muslim and a soldier for that matter but i wanted PEACE because that's what we were trained to bring not to destroy. What continue to bother me is the way people die when we go out for peace keeping, because we want opposing sides to surrender BY FORCE whereas each is fighting for his right!
So it was from one Catholic priest that i first heard of the word "CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS" though i wasn't a Christian but i know Jesus never taught his followers to fight talkless kill so i keep laughing at the phrase.
But when i came in contact with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES i was totally confused because this people are going around the world and doing what soldiers were trained to do without the use of force, weapons or threat of fallen casualties.
What i mean is we force the opposing side to surrender their weapons by using a more powerful weapon, whereas JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES only go to people with their Bibles and the next thing is you'll find people from all races surrendering weapons of war, settling all racial prejudice, forgoing politics and vowing never to raise weapons against anyone forever! Isaiah 2:2-4
Now JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are doing this like soldiers, because we move batch by batch at the battle front, we mark places where we've conquer and keep some of our boys their to continue keeping the peace. Everything soldiers do is exactly what JWs are doing with just the exception of weapons and force!
That's what convinced me totally that this are truly the followers of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

I enjoyed your touching story. Never would have guessed you were a Muslim or a soldier. Look how far you have come . Thanks for sharing. I will work harder to meet the requirements where I am lacking.