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CrimeRe: The Cars Seized From El Chapo, Mexican Drug Lord by nelsonoba: 9:36am On Jul 19, 2019
feelgoodstuffs:
Normal hustle without illegal something cannot fetch you this kind of money
And what of Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates who are the richest people on earth and their combined net-worth can fund Nigeria's entire annual budgets for 5yearshuh Have you ever heard about them doing illegal stuff? Are they not several times richer than this El-Chapo??

Why do so many Nigerians just believe in cheating rather than integrity + smartwork? This mentality is why everything in Nigeria is broken. Because people like you are in government stealing, and other who are not yet in government are supporting the ones stealing and hoping to have the same opportunity to go there and steal. Look at America where Donald Trump is the president, but his $400,000 annual salary never comes to him, rather he donates ALL his salary to different charities because he went to that position to serve and make the country better, and today ALL Americans are seeing the economy grow and unemployment is at the lowest level since 1969. If Trump had gone in there to loot like you would have done, do you think he would have been able to grow the economy? And the worst thing is that some people who think like you are supposed to be 'religious' people who should know better, but obviously when people don't have the fear of God, they can do anything to get money or power, forgetting that one day, we will go back to give account of our lives before God and that determines where we will spend eternity. No wonder Jesus said WHAT SHALL IT PROFIT A MAN TO GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSE HIS SOUL?
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 7:04am On Jul 19, 2019
paxonel:
true!
very true!
you are very correct
you are absolutely right in all these, Cain must have picked a wife from among his sisters, but that still do not anul the possibility that God must have created humans at various locations on the earth surface other than the Garden of Eden at the time of creation, going by the distribution of human race world wide .

I mean humans could not possibly migrate through foot walking from the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were created, up to places like Africa, Asia, Europe and the current America considering the distance apart.
Bros, I was reading the bible this morning and I saw this and remembered the conversation we were having here some days ago. So I thought to also show you cos even me myself, I'm not sure I had noted this part of the bible before now;


Genesis 5:3-4 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite


So Adam had actually lived 130years old before he and Eve gave birth to Seth who happens to be one of only 3 of the direct children of Adam & Eve mentioned by name in the bible. And of course, Cain and Abel were already born before Seth. And verse 5 mentions that Adam also "begat" sons and DAUGHTERS.

So we don't know how many children in total that Adam and Eve had, but we can be sure that A man and woman who were 130years old and giving birth to their 3rd recorded son at that age must have given birth to many other children before that age......especially given the fact that there was no family planning available at that time
PoliticsRe: Deji Adeyanju Digs Out Obasanjo's Video, Blames Buhari For Shielding Herdsmen by nelsonoba: 9:06am On Jul 18, 2019
Firefire:
Buhary is a failure Personified.
My goodness! So it has gotten to this level where Nigeria is now the "bad girl" your Ghanaian mother warned you about!! For all those who foisted this calamity called Buhari on Nigeria....and continue to support him, your day of reckoning is coming
Foreign AffairsRe: Leave The US If You Are Not Happy - Trump To Congresswomen Of Foreign Descent by nelsonoba: 8:47pm On Jul 17, 2019
stdammis:
Oh wow! You know me so well. It's almost as if we have lived together our entire lives.

I could care less if you rot or die in poverty. Most of my friends saw this and told me I'm wasting my time replying online fools.

Yes, its me... belliey. I dont actually give a rat ass about you or your opinion. Everything I've written on here is just so anyone can read the conversation and see how backwards your kinds are, that includes anyone who thinks you making sense.

I just read this thread and I thought I could pay back with the little I can by emphasizing on the importance of being bold and speaking against governments, but i was attacked by a bunch of jobless fools who think they are shii. I stayed in this argument for so long because people need to see why Nigeria is not progressing in anyway. The governments are not to be blamed totally, but the level of ignorance amongst this generation is unbelievable.

Now sensible Nigerians understand that awareness is a very effective way to keep governments in check. Speak out against them and they will tremble. You dont believe me? ....Ruga settlement, does your dulled brain understand that if it wasn't for the awareness that was raised against it by PEOPLE, they would have forced Ruga on Nigerian? Which was their intention. Now that people talked against it they postponed it? Does it occur to your backwardness that they suspended it for a reason?

Had it been that those people that speaker up and raised those awareness were ignorant and foolish like you, Ruga would be in every state of Nigeria right now.

Hypocrisy is the main thing that is bothering you. It's written all over you. You feel like the people in America should keep quite and be grateful that they are in America. Guess what, while it's TRUE that they should be grateful and all, they got bigger fishes to fry. I know you dont know that since you've never been to America, but my point is if you get to America today you'll see that you've been wrong.

Ofcourse you human, and I know your ego would keep you from understanding what I'm saying, but I repeat I dont give a rat ass about your opinions. Just to let people know that our main problem is this kind of brain and mentality you possess. with this I rest my case.
***yawns***

Now, take your broom and fly away.......the clouds would soon hide the moon if you're not quick to fly away

Foreign AffairsRe: Leave The US If You Are Not Happy - Trump To Congresswomen Of Foreign Descent by nelsonoba: 7:06pm On Jul 17, 2019
belliey:
Without any due respect. You are dumb! And you are not worth the argument, but for the sake of those reading?

I have another moniker. Its stdammis........I got banned because of this thread, and I couldn't wait until they unban me, so I dug this one up.

Search stdammis, read my posts then come and tell me if everything this guy has written above does not support the fact that this guy is not only dumb, but ignorant af.
The first sentence gives a perfect top notch description of yourself. And unsurprisingly, you sound very much like a typical Democrat. You make the loudest noise and cry victimhood at every opportunity. You are an enemy of progress. You get angry when more people begin to prosper and grow wealthy, cos you would rather have the rich torn down to your level so that everybody can have equal poverty rather than helping to elevate the poor so everyone has equal riches. This is very typical of witchcraft. No different from the mentality of village witches. But Trump keeps trumping you people while you hate on. Now, run along and go play with your broom before the moonlight goes out
Foreign AffairsRe: Leave The US If You Are Not Happy - Trump To Congresswomen Of Foreign Descent by nelsonoba: 6:01pm On Jul 17, 2019
JeromeBlack:
Your lies will not spread today.

1. The Jews were never enslaved by Egyptians. That is a falsehood spread by fantastical bible stories.

2. We hear more about the Jewish holocaust more than any other injustice in the world. African slavery was over 300 years. Consider how many Hollywood nazi films we have watched in the last decade. You are just a self hating black person who will give whites a better chance than your own fellow blacks.


3. Trump is a racist. Omarosa, his former employee has said so. John McCains daughter (a Republican) has said so. His congresswomen and congressmen have said so.


4. Trump has not done anything specifically for the black man. He received a good economy from a black president Obama.
After reading your statement in point 1, I just realized why you don't see anything wrong in what the Congress women had been doing and why you see everything wrong with what Trump had been doing. I'm outta here. If you are so blind to simple history which you can easily verify from ordinary Google or from any Jewish person even if you don't read the bible, then THERE IS NO HOPE FOR YOU. AND I DON'T ARGUE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE SO BLIND TO SIMPLE FACTS AND ARE TOO LAZY TO SEEK THE READILY AVAILABLE KNOWLEDGE.

The only thing I will chip in is that if you were a knowledgeable person, you would have known that when the same Omarosa did her wedding, Trump provided her with a reception venue worth $200,000. You can go and dig further to find information linking this Trump to Omarosa's wedding. Omarosa remains one of the most stupid backstabbers in history! Only God knows how much she may have been offered to turn against Trump.

Good bye Mr.
Foreign AffairsRe: Leave The US If You Are Not Happy - Trump To Congresswomen Of Foreign Descent by nelsonoba: 5:31pm On Jul 17, 2019
belliey:
Another ignorant post. Why do I feel like you are the same person as the chukidi guy, yall have the same writing style. Wouldn't it be a shame if you had to change your moniker to support yourself.

That aside, no where in my post did a say I support the Democrats or against the Republicans. What I possess is the simple ability to separate what's right from wrong irrespective of the group doing it.

Quick note tho. I really dont blame you that much. I mean how can you remain in Nigeria and speak like you live in the country. Everything you are saying shows you have never been to America. So until you do, when topics like this come on it's okay to speak your mind and let people know your opinion, but dont make it look like you live in the White House or you took American history in school. It sounds so dumb. Be open to opinions maybe you'll learn. No one is above knowledge they say.



Listen, your own politicians would commission 3 solar street lights, and will kill a whole cow to celebrate their accomplishments. Yes some things may have improved under his administration, but guess what. That's what it should look like if your governments are doing their job. Trump is doing his job, but again his person and governance is questionable.



To mention a few.
1) years back, I dont know if you've heard about the central 5 boys. Read it up. Trump dropped $85,000 on that case and called for death penalty for 5 young black teenagers.

2) publicly calling other politicians names like a 3 year old abusing his mates in a primary school.

3) publicly saying things that are degrading and shouldn't have been said said by some who possesses so much power.
- shit whole country.
- grab em by the p?
- laziness is a trait in blacks
Since you like to read.....do yourself a favor and fine out why people who are against trump are against him.

Oh he became the president didnt he? If hes so terrible and bad, how come people still voted for him.
The day you realize that racism persists in America, but majority of them cant openly practice racism because of the society is the day you become liberated.
American people are good people, but there are still some racist ones out there. Trump is their spoke person, and they love the fact that hes public with their hidden racism behaviour.

Educate your self the right way. You cant even tackle your own country situation. You talking about America because you want people to think you know alot about America? Guess what? You dont know shii. And you way of thinking shows your not that bright either.
Boy grow up! The world does not revolve around you or around the black race. People like you are the reason blacks are viewed as victims that should be pitied by other races. I will not be party to it. Stay in your victimhood and wait for your award someday. Your mates in the black community are achieving great stuff everywhere in America, but some of you want to stay in one place and be whining about slavery that happened hundreds of years ago. The Jews in Israel have been slaves for 430years in Egypt, they have suffered the worst persecution of any tribe under Germany's Hitler where more than 6million of them were massacred, they suffer persecution today in almost all Muslim countries and yet you don't find them whining about their rights or past like many blacks with your mentality do. YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY, NOT TRUMP!

AND I SAY IT AGAIN, TRUMP HAS DONE FAR MORE TO EMPOWER BLACKS ECONOMICALLY THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY HAD EVER DONE. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT TRUMP BECAUSE ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. A MAN THAT COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO EMPOWER BLACKS ECONOMICALLY LOVES BLACKS MORE THAN A PRESIDENT LIKE OBAMA THAT ONLY KNEW HOW TO GIVE SWEET ORATORY TO BLACKS! KEEP HATING WHILE YOU WATCH TRUMP KEEP WINNING!
Foreign AffairsRe: Leave The US If You Are Not Happy - Trump To Congresswomen Of Foreign Descent by nelsonoba: 2:04pm On Jul 17, 2019
belliey:
No doubt. You are indeed a Nigerian, but with this mentality? Not a smart one.
One of the reasons why America became so great is the freedom of speech against anybody. If the government is doing bad, people will talk against it. To some extent this keep the government in check. It has been like that, and will always be like that. America is not Nigeria where no one talks publicly against the government. Hence the government do not feel the pressure to do the right thing.

Lastly, if we have politician like this ladies that would come out and call out the government, Nigeria would be better.

So instead of blindly supporting trump the way you are, I advise you think about what this ladies are doing....is anyone doing it in Nigeria? Could that be the reason why our government seem unchecked?
You really wanna sound smart, and I can see that you are really trying.....but everything you've said on here proves you are not.
I will also advise that you start thinking deeply before you speak.

Have a great day.
On the contrary, you are the one blindly supporting Democrats because the media has lied to you all your life that if you are black or a minority ethnic group, YOU MUST SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THEY "FIGHT FOR YOU". Blatant lies!!! No American President since Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves(By the way, Ab Lincoln was a Republican) has ever done as much to empower the blacks economically as Trump has done in just 2years. Even if you are a dunce(which i hope you are not), the figures are there to speak for Trump. LOWEST BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT IN HISTORY!

I don't even want to go into other things Trump has done to benefit All Americans and especially blacks cos I don't have time to argue with people who are blind to facts even when it stares them in the face. Truth be told; The only reason Democrats and the mainstream media hate Trump is because;
1) Trump says he will not support abortion
2) Trump says he doesn't care about people's sexuality as long as it stays in their private lives and as such, he will not join the democrats to force down LGBTQ things on American society.
3) Trump says he supports smaller government so that people can have more freedom less government control.
4) Trump says he supports migration but not illegal uncontrolled migration

If Trump changes his position on these 4 issues today, as early as tomorrow morning, the same Democrats and news media calling Trump all sorts of names will be the ones telling you how wonderful Trump is and how he is the best thing that has happened to America.
Foreign AffairsRe: US House Of Reps Vote To Condemn Trump's Racist Comments Against Congresswomen by nelsonoba: 1:04pm On Jul 17, 2019
JeromeBlack:
So the Senators in the US house of reps that voted against Trump's racist comments hate America?

Is it only Aljazeera that reported the news? Do the Guardian and fox news also hate America?
Mr man, THERE ARE NO SENATORS IN US HOUSE OF REPS. THERE ARE HOUSE OF REPS MEMBERS THERE. THE SENATORS ARE IN THEIR SENATE.

The house of reps is dominated by the Democrats, and this is the voting pattern.


*****House approves a resolution condemning the President’s “racist comments directed at Members of Congress. The vote was 240-187
All Democrats voted yea. 4 Republicans voted yea. Fitzpatrick Hurd Upton BrooksIN. Also yes, independent Amash.*****

So only 4 republicans joined democrats to pass the vote, and it should be clear to you that this was just one of the usual political witch hunts by democrats. So don't say AMERICANS condemned it. I know so many people who backed Trump on this, including my elder sister who is an immigrant herself and lives in the US. And she is voting for Trump in 2020. So keep deceiving yourself that Trump is racist and Americans hate him
Foreign AffairsRe: US House Of Reps Vote To Condemn Trump's Racist Comments Against Congresswomen by nelsonoba: 12:51pm On Jul 17, 2019
JeromeBlack:
What is the the pure fact that Trump said?


Trump was telling American born congresswomen that they should focus on other countries of their ancestry.

What kind of foolishness is that? So people who only know America as home and who are also American citizens should have no say in the government because their parents came from different country?

Or do you believe that the Congresswomen hate America?
SINCE YOU LIKE EVIDENCE, READ AND WATCH IT BELOW. Asides the fact you are about to read and watch below, The 4 congresswomen have consistently joined people denigrating the American flag and national anthem and calling them "symbols of oppression". If you hate a country's flag and anthem, then why did you choose to come live in that country? Why then did you decide to stand for elections in that country? As a matter of fact, when Rashida Tlaib was sworn in to congress, at the party she held, she put up Palestinian flags instead of American flag. Was she elected to serve Palestine or America? If you so hate America, then GET OUT! AND GO BACK TO THE COUNTRY YOU LOVE!





On Monday, President Donald Trump defended his criticisms of Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and the far-left “Squad,” and claimed that Omar had praised Al Qaeda, the terrorist organization responsible for the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks.
Trump said:

I mean, I look at the one — I look at Omar — I don’t know, I never met her. I hear the way she talks about al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has killed many Americans. She said, “You can hold your chest out, you can — when I think of America…huh…when I think of al Qaeda, I can hold my chest out.” When she talked about the World Trade Center being knocked down, “Some people.” You remember the famous “some people.” These are people that, in my opinion, hate our country.



So when — when I hear people speaking about how wonderful al Qaeda is, when I hear people talking about “some people” — “some” people with the World Trade Center — “some people”? No, not “some people.” Much more than “some people.”



And politicians can’t be afraid to take them on. A politician that hears somebody, where we’re at war with al Qaeda, and sees somebody talking about how great al Qaeda is — pick out her statement — that was Omar. How great al Qaeda is — when you hear that — and we’re losing great soldiers to al Qaeda.

When you see the World Trade Center gets knocked down, and you see the statements made about the World Trade Center — all the death and destruction — I’ll tell you what: I’m not happy with them.

Omar had an opportunity to clear the air, but declined to condemn Al Qaeda (or communism, another alleged association) at the “Squad” press conference on Monday, saying, “I will not dignify [the claim] with an answer.”



The president appears to have misinterpreted comments Omar made in 2013, in a video that emerged nearly six months ago (and which was ignored by the mainstream media until now, when it could be used to dispute Trump).

As Breitbart News noted in February, the most shocking claim Omar made in the interview with a local Minnesota television program was that U.S. foreign policy was responsible for acts of terrorism such as the Westgate shopping mall terror attack in Nairobi, Kenya, by the Somali terror group Al-Shabaab, who killed 71 people, mostly civilians.

Omar also drew a moral equivalence between radical Islamic terror and “the violence that is done [by] the West,” which she said that the U.S. and other countries had “legitimized.” However, Omar did not actually endorse acts of radical Islamic terror, or praise Al Qaeda or other organizations.



Instead, she complained that American Muslims were expected to denounce those acts of terror, and that the Arabic names of terror groups were emphasized.

In the course of that complaint, she described a class on terrorism that she took at college. Laughing, she described the posture of her professor when he would say the Arabic names of terror groups, saying that “every time the professor said, ‘Al Qaeda,’ he, sort of, like, his shoulders went up.” He did not do the same when describing “the Army,” she said, suggesting the professor was prejudiced.

That appears to be the origin of President Trump’s distorted quote that she said, “When I think of al Qaeda, I can hold my chest out.”



Omar’s remarks can be seen in the video below at 17:00:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj_nkzcvJ1w


Trump was on firmer ground when he criticized Omar’s recent comments about the 9/11 attacks.

In a speech in March to the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Omar complained about prejudice against Muslims. She said: “CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognize that some people did something, and then all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”



The phrase “some people did something” was widely interpreted as downplaying the severity of the attacks, as well as the role of radical Islam as the motivation.

CAIR itself has a disturbing record on radical Islam — particularly in Southern California. As Breitbart News noted:

In 2007-8, CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the terror financing trial of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. That case, in turn, led the FBI to discontinue its work with the organization. In 2009, a federal judge ruled that the government “produced ample evidence to establish” the ties of CAIR with Hamas, the Palestinian terror organization. The United Arab Emirates labeled CAIR a terrorist organization in 2014 (a decision that the Obama administration opposed).

In 2015, CAIR’s Los Angeles director suggested that the U.S. was partly to blame for the San Bernardino terror attack, in which 14 people were killed, due to American foreign policy. CAIR also offered legal assistance to the family of the terrorists who carried out the attack.

Still, minimizing or excusing radical Islamic terror is different — morally and factually — from supporting it outright.
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 12:19pm On Jul 16, 2019
MiddleDimension:
i have a copy of the Origin of Species here with me writen by Charles Dawin himself and there is no where in the book where he stated that rocks gave life to the simple life forms we see around. what he talked about in his book was basically that life evolved by the process of natural selection. the big-bang theory only came in later on in 1927 and Darwin died in the 19th century. this means he couldn't have proposed that life came from the big-bang.

the whole attempt to link the formation of life to the big-bang is to go beyond the theory of evolution of species from one specie to the other and answer how life came from non-living things to living things. at the moment, there are no conclusive evidence to that effect. they are still mainly speculation. until we find conclusive evidence to support the various theories to explain the Evolution of life from non-living things to living things, let us just say that we do not know. that's the best answer to how the life could evolve from non-living to living things.

yes, there are various theories to explain Abiogenesis, that is the evolution of life from non-living to living things. you can read up on them in the internet.

but that there is no evidence yet for abiogenesis does not embarrass the truth of Evolution by natural selection. the reason for this is because abiogenesis is a different question from biogenesis, that is the evolution of life from other lives. this is what Darwin, Wallace, Richard Dawkins et al have been able to work out. the evidence for Evolution by natural selection is overwhelmingly corroborated.

as for your later questions, i have already told you that life begat life through natural selection. picies to amphibians to reptiles to birds and then to mammals and then primates. and there is evidence for this. abiogenesis is What's not clear yet. the big-bang, i must admit, i have not studied indept. but this does not mean that the established facts of Evolution by means of natural selection is false. it is more like saying because you don't know who gave birth to your 10,000th grandpa, or wether he is black or white, or fulani or ibibio etc means that you are not the son of your father. ridiculous, right? the simple answer is that we just don't know. if anyone wants to find out if you are the son of your father, he can start by going to ask your mother, or ask those who are older than you or do a DNA test!

but lets come to your creation story in the Bible. there are two stories there of which you can choose the one we should use in this discussion.

according to. chapter 1, god made the heavens and theeath created plants and it says AND IT WAS SO. this means it came to being like a magician would utter some words and then it came to be. he also.created man and woman on the same day when he said let us make man in our image; and so male and female he made he them on the 7th day.

go down to chapter 2: you will find that they said the plants had not come up at the time man was made. is this not a contradiction compared to chapter 1 when man was created last and when plants were created, it says IT WAS SO.

so how can the two be possible at the same time.

anyway, let me stop here
1) I refer to Charles Darwin's book and big bang theory as THEORY OF EVOLUTION because they both seem to complement each other in pushing the same narrative that There is no Almighty God who created the universe. I don't try to separate them, cos doing so is like separating a black cow from a brown cow. They are both cows, have the same behaviours and serve the same purposes, so it's no use separating them.

2) You still have not answered my major question, which is WHAT CREATED THE 'FIRST LIFE' THAT MAN EVOLVED FROM ACCORDING TO THE THEORY OF NATURAL SELECTION & CO. THAT YOU SUBSCRIBE TO? You obviously have no answer to that, BUT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOD AND CANNOT BE GOD! Can't you see how much of a brilliant scientist you are? You are trying to conduct an experiment to understand what you don't know, but you have already concluded that the answer cannot be a certain answer. Why then are you conducting the experiment or why then do you deceive yourself to call yourself a scientist if you cannot accept probabilities that do not conform to what your initial assumptions are?

3) Evolution does not have ESTABLISHED FACTS! That is why it is called THEORY of evolution. I want to believe you did some science in secondary school at least, and if you remember what your science teacher taught you, you should have understood that in science, there are Assumptions/Observations, theories, and there are PRINCIPLES. Theories are a concatenation of a person's assumptions or observations that have been put together into some kind of logical pattern. They have not been tested in the laboratory to be proven. In science, before a theory moves from THEORY to PRINCIPLE, it must be put to some laboratory testing to be proven. If it cannot be proven by laboratory testing, then it remains a THEORY. And need i remind you that Theories cannot be relied upon with certainty, but PRINCIPLES can? So please don't refer to evolution theory as ".....the established facts of Evolution...." because it remains a theory and not an established principle.

4) You can say that you( @MiddleDimension ) does not know the origin of life, but don't say WE DON'T KNOW. I know the origin of life, and it is God. The fact that i am engaging you is not because i think you know the answer and i want to find out from you, but because i know the answer and i like talking about it. You cannot convince a person like me who has experienced the power of Jesus that there is no God. It is not possible. Do you know why? I have see blind eyes open by the name of Jesus. I personally know 2 people who had died and came back to life by power in the name of Jesus and i have heard of other similar cases of people i don't know personally. I have seen adult people that were born deaf and dumb begin to hear and speak instantly after being prayed for in the name of Jesus. I have seen people with terminal cancer healed by power in the name of Jesus. I have seen how the Holy Spirit lives in me and gives me the grace to live above sin that most young people cannot resist falling into(Something that nobody can achieve by their own power). I have seen all these things with my eyes (not that i was told), so how do you want to convince me that Jesus is not real?

5) I'm still at a loss as to understanding how you see any contradiction in Genesis 1 & 2. However, for the avoidance of doubts, let me explain it in simple terms; God is a Spirit and man too is a spirit that lives in a body and has a soul(mind, will, intellect, emotion). God created man first as a spirit before he moulded dust/clay from the soil and breathed the spirit of man He created into that mould, and that mould became a LIVING SOUL. This is why every genuine christian understands the basic fact that the real man is not this body we see. This physical body we see will die someday and decay, but the real man(which is a spirit) never dies. It simply exits the body and either returns to God in heaven or goes to hell in judgement.

So, God created man and created the plants before he watered the garden and made the created plants grow. You can observe the same principle of plant creation today when you look at what farmers do. They first have their seed that they plant on plain ground. If you came to the farm like 15minutes after a farmer has finished planting, you may assume it's just an ordinary ground and there is nothing there, but in reality, there's yam, maize, cassava, beans, rice, etc. there......you just can't see them yet. Then water that farm and give it a few days, and you begin to see the trees or crops sprouting and growing. That you saw the crops sprouting on the 3rd day after watering the farm does not mean the crops only came into existence on the third day. They had been there all along, but you just didn't see them. This is how God created the plants first and then watered the earth for the created plants to then grow. SO MY FRIEND, THERE IS NOTHING CONFUSING ABOUT GENESIS 1 & 2

Here is a little 3-minute gift to you to enlighten you in case you want to ask WHERE DID GOD COME FROM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6AHcv19NIc
PoliticsRe: Femi Taiwo Responds To Reno Omokri's Allegation About Election Results Server by nelsonoba: 10:34am On Jul 16, 2019
iamjavadem:
Delete a server kee? This Reno is a fool, who can sue you from where u are hiding? You can only fool your followers.
Before you call him a fool. You may want to read the reply i just gave to your "colleague-in-ignorance", and then re-assess your evaluation of who might be the fool between you and Reno

"You see the problem I have with you is the fact that you are among the gullible Nigerians who are so ignorant, but yet they like to put mouth in matters they don't understand just to contribute their own quota of ignorance! Your statement shows you have no clue whatsoever about the workings of a server. It shows you probably don't understand IT beyond using computer to send emails and type propaganda on Nairaland.

For the avoidance of doubt, YES SERVERS CAN BE CREATED AND DELETED. And before you try to argue anything to further display your ignorance, it may interest you to know that part of my job which earns me a living involves occasional creation and deletion of servers!"
PoliticsRe: Femi Taiwo Responds To Reno Omokri's Allegation About Election Results Server by nelsonoba: 10:32am On Jul 16, 2019
MT:
Server is now a text that can be DELETED ?. I wonder the quality of some people that I share this space call Nigeria with sometimes.
You see the problem I have with you is the fact that you are among the gullible Nigerians who are so ignorant, but yet they like to put mouth in matters they don't understand just to contribute their own quota of ignorance! Your statement shows you have no clue whatsoever about the workings of a server. It shows you probably don't understand IT beyond using computer to send emails and type propaganda on Nairaland.

For the avoidance of doubt, YES SERVERS CAN BE CREATED AND DELETED. And before you try to argue anything to further display your ignorance, it may interest you to know that part of my job which earns me a living involves occasional creation and deletion of servers!
Foreign AffairsRe: Leave The US If You Are Not Happy - Trump To Congresswomen Of Foreign Descent by nelsonoba: 9:19am On Jul 16, 2019
ogbonti:
CNN has done a lot to brainwash you and now you are just a dumb terminal of their fake news - let me school you a bit so you don't mislead others here

1. Iran is ruled by the Ayatollah or spiritual leader and they also have a president who is like a puppet to this grand Islamic leader. THESE 2 LEADERS OF IRAN has never condemned their people when they shout death to America, in fact they encourage it, and they give speeches to fan the embers of hate in such protest. HAVE YOU SEEN BUHARI (though many think he is in support of the herdsmen) give a national speech at a gathering of herdsmen, praising their effort to kill and destroy? NO - but that is what the government of Iran under the Ayatollah has done for 40 years and still doing till today. So, what is your point? ........and yes, Iran must suffer the consequences of their leaders misbehavior because leaders have brought blessings or curses on their people from time immemorial. Even in the bible Pharoah brought the wrath of God on all of Egypt (plagues) when he would not let Israel go, Iran of today is not different

2. Trump barred other countries from doing business with Iran - NEWSFLASH - it is called the leverage of sanctions. America must use that to protect America and Americans and her allies. If someone is swearing Ogun for you everyday, you have the right to tell your friends not to do business with that person, right? absolutely!

3. Leaders dont act on impulse? Please give me a break! Trump only reverted to the old standard of sanctions on Iran that existed before Obama acted on impulse to get his European leftist to sign a treaty with Iran that was not approved by the US congress. CNN wont tell you what Obama did was a treaty and in the US constitution, every treaty MUST be ratified by joint congress of upper and lower chambers. No President, not even Trump has the right to sign the US up for a treaty or war (lasting more than 90 days) if Congress does not approve it. Did CNN tell you that? I guess not.This is same for the Paris climate accord which OBAMA did without congressional approval. This is same with DACA which OBAMA did without congress.... Guy, Obama got away with so many bull shhh it... they left him alone because if you criticise him, you must be a racist hating on the first black president - what Obama did, no white president can ever try that nonsense in AMERICA until the end of the world...

4. If Trump has to be a nincompop to UNDO the grave miscarriage of the constitutional provisions Obama did with Iran, so be it. He owews you no apology. Trump is not Buhari that puts Fulani herdsmen from Mali, Niger and Burkina Fasso ahead of Nigerian citizens!

5. Other world leaders who do not like American exceptionalism, who dislike American greatness and who are angry that Trump is no longer handing them free money to fund their socialist agenda like Obama did? Is Russia, Saudi, UAE, Jordan, Poland, Brazil, Japan, Oman, South Korea just to mention a few angry with Trump? NO ---- who are these angry with Trump? China that cheats the USA, some NATO member nations who wont pay 2% of their GDP but have the money to pay their citizens welfare while US workers burst their asses to pay the taxes they squander?

you are living in alternate universe, JUST WAIT 2020 go cure all of una of this TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME....when the big DON wins in a massive landslide...... please book mark this page!!!!!!! grin
Just reading this your reply is giving me so much happiness! In fact, if we lived in the same town, I would have taken you and your entire family out for lunch over the weekend and just let everyone of you order whatever they want to eat including takeaway. grin grin grin
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YorubaHero12:
Donald trump just keep ridiculing the office of the president, the USA is a nation that other nation look up to based on her core values and democracy.

The reason USA is a great country is not only because of its military might but the trust other nation put in her as an upright nation with people of integrity at the helm of affairs.

Trump is everything un-American and he has fought almost all the allies of the United States by insults and desecrating the office of the president.

Donald trump wife Melania is from Slovenia, she became a permanent resident in 2001, and obtained USA citizenship in 2006. Why can’t Trump tell her to go back to her country also?

Donald’s grandfather was an immigrant from Germany, so why can’t he just accept other people of color as American?

To all of you on Nairaland trying to support blindly, just know he sees all of you as people from shiit.hole countries, and no amount of praise singing will change his perception of our skin.
Oga go and sit down joor! If you dont understand the matter at hand, then research or ask proper questions to get answers before you come and show your ignorance in public. Trump was specifically referring to these 4 Congress women who have origins from other countries, and they keep attacking American values and even publicly joining people to desecrate the American flag. The other day when Rashida Tlaib was sworn in as member of Congress, she went back to the party she threw and she had Palestinian flags all over the place instead of American flag. Was she elected to represent Palestine or America?

These people keep saying America is not great and that they are offended by the American flag and American national anthem because according to them "the American flag and anthem are symbols of oppression". So why should they continue trying to live in a country they dont respect her flag or anthem when they can easily relocate back to the country they originally come from if things were better there?
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 5:51am On Jul 16, 2019
MiddleDimension:
please learn how there is no intelligent design in the body of a giraffe here.

haha, so much for intelligent design.

@joagbaje @donnie @ubenedictus @highered


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0
This guy, you really have nerves o! So you actually based your belief in evolution on this nonsense lecture from crazy Richard Dawkins on how intelligent design is not true because a nerve on a giraffe goes from its head down its neck and back to its head? What if it is you or Richard Dawkins that has not yet discovered why that nerve was created that way in the first instance? JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF A THING/PROCESS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS USELESS! After all, scientists never understood the purpose of petroleum until the late 19th century when somebody discovered that the same petroleum they had always seen sipping out of the ground could be used to power engines to drive cars! Richard Dawkins is not a standard, and just because he and his minions do not understand why a nerve has to loop around a path they don't see why does not mean that nerve cannot serve a purpose they may not have understood at the moment.

Now you watch this and tell me how DNA does not prove intelligent design. I can bet you've never studied DNA as much as explained in this video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC5PzoXxRc0
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 5:36am On Jul 16, 2019
MiddleDimension:
he had evidence to prove his theory. the evidence are:
1. fossils
2. genes
3. carbon-dating
When they tell you carbon dating, how do you know it is accurate? Have you ever independently verified the age of any material that was dated to 10,000 years ago? You can believe carbon-dating that a man wrote about which you have never verified and no human being has ever been able to confirm the accuracy of, but you have problems believing the bible inspired by the Almighty God who created the human beings that came up with the theory of carbon dating? Cant you see how skewed your thinking pattern has become?
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 5:29am On Jul 16, 2019
MiddleDimension:
man did not evolve from rocks, pure and simple! there were several life forms that existed from man evolved!

your creation story are two which one do you believe in? the two are fundamentally different stories with one contradicting the other. so which one is it?
Oga, stop arguing what you dont understand. In the theory of evolution, it states that rocks were what gave rise to the unicellular organism from which life began to evolve after the big bang. Go and study the details of the stupid theory before you come here to display your ignorance.

Now, my question to you is this, and if you can't answer it, then it means either you are not intelligent or you are intelligent, but self-deluded;

You said there were several life forms in existence from which man evolved, so WHO CREATED THOSE LIFE FORMS? HOW DID THEY COME ABOUT AND HOW DID THE EARTH OR UNIVERSE IN WHICH THOSE LIFE FORMS EXISTED BEFORE EVOLVING INTO MAN COME ABOUT?

PS: I am eagerly waiting for your answer to this question so I can be enlightened grin
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 9:55pm On Jul 15, 2019
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MiddleDimension:
no intelligent being created the world! and ni, Evolution does not say man evolved from rocks, rather it is your Bible that claims your god created man from dus, a product of rocks through weathering.

and no, no intelligent being created anything! the seeming orderliness you see among the animals for example the body parts we have are all a product of Evolution by natural selection.

natural selection weeds out imperfect designs as life keeps evolving! this is the reason you may look at legs of a cheetah as it carries it very fast chasing a prey and then you feel ''oh, the cheetah was actually designed. you look at the human brain and then you think it is actually designed just because we humans are so good at thinking.

it is a very dangerous thing for you to believe an intelligent almighty god is behind all these things. because there is nothing intelligent about the designs we see in the world! what's intelligent about the various mutations and monstrousities we see in nature that puts the various species possessing them to so much pain and discomfort to their survival and reproduction? what is the intelligence we see in the horrors of the reality of life in the jungle?

looking at the various forms of life and then concluding there is an intelligent almighty god behind it, is to say that this so called intelligent designer god is a bad engineer because of the concerns of monstrousities and mutations i mentioned above, as well as the reality of life in the jungle i also mentioned above.

as for your attacking the big-bang theory, well it is like you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot. if we extend newton's law of innertia to the existence of things why do we stop at saying a god triggerd the big-bang? why don't we extend it to who brought about your god? i am sure that's not a question you would want to answer.

there are so many questions whose answers we still don't have. but to propose that a god would fill up that space is what we call god of the gaps which further goes to confirm the fact that religion and christianity (since you have refused to call it religion), and the believe in god as a whole, is just part of the primitive man's way of coming to terms with his environment.

the primitive man looked at the rising sun and being filled with the majesty of it, would respond by saying there is a god behind it to accept our sacrifices. he looked at nature just as you have looked at it, and are thought that a designer god is behind it.

if we do not know a thing, the simple answer is that we don't know. proposing a designer god to be behind it is a lazy way to approach your universe.

today we know that the sun is a giant nuclear reactor, one of many stars in the universe and it pumps out EM waves, heat and light.

i advice you not to look at the universe and think a god is behind it. because by the time we answer the questions thereby demystifying it, we would do so much damage to your god or believe in a god. like Neil Armstrong said: one step for a man, a giant step for mankind! by saying so, he put nail to the coffin of the idea of looking at the wonders of nature and thinking there is a designer god behind it. those who worshiped the moon can now see their ''god'' demystified just as you who think a designer god created all forms of life has had your believe nullyfied by the truth if evolution.
If you claim to believe in theory of evolution, and you have not even studied it in details to see how they connected our evolution to big bang and water molecule and rocks and a unicellular organism, then that means you're not a serious person. I believe in creation, and you still need me to lecture you on the details of evolution which you claim to believe?
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 1:54pm On Jul 15, 2019
paxonel:
true!
very true!
you are very correct
you are absolutely right in all these, Cain must have picked a wife from among his sisters, but that still do not anul the possibility that God must have created humans at various locations on the earth surface other than the Garden of Eden at the time of creation, going by the distribution of human race world wide .

I mean humans could not possibly migrate through foot walking from the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were created, up to places like Africa, Asia, Europe and the current America considering the distance apart.
Well......according to the bible, this is what God did.

Genesis 11:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
"9 Therefore its name is called [a]Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of ALL the earth."

If people keep walking towards a particular direction without any major course deviation, it wouldn't take more than 50years for them to get to any point on the earth's surface if they covered only 900 kilometres per year. Remember the circumference of the earth at its longest route which is around the equator is only 40,000 kilometres.......and this was a time when people were living to be hundreds of years old.

By the way, i want to assume more than 2 or 3 persons have trekked for Buhari from Lagos to Abuja or similar distances and they completed it in about 2weeks. So it doesn't require much effort for people of old to trek 900km in a year if they are determined to migrate
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Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 9:05am On Jul 15, 2019
paxonel:
where in Genesis?

Keep deceiving yourselves that Adam and Eve were the only humans God created.

On the contrary, Genesis 4:17 says Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch...

Have you ever asked yourself where did Cain saw his wife to marry her ?

Is the wife not having people?
Where do they came from?
Are you aware that this was a time when human beings were living to over 900years old?

Do you know Adam and Eve had other children apart from Cain and Abel? Have you not read it in Genesis 4:25huh

Do you know that it is technically possible for one person to have given birth to over 100 children if they had a life span of 900 years? As a matter of fact, if I decided to be giving birth to children every 5years from the age of 50, by the time I am 550years old, I would have had 100 children (if I never had twins among them) and I would still have had another 400years ahead of me to live.

Do you also know that up until the time God brought the Israelites out of Egypt and gave them the law, people used to marry their brothers and sisters? As a matter of fact, do you know that father Abraham married his Niece? Yes! Sarah was Abraham's father's brother's daughter. So for you to think it's not possible for Cain to have married one of his sisters or relatives is totally mistaken.
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 8:53am On Jul 15, 2019
badman007:
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. SALVATION IS PERSONAL. I feel so sorry for you.

Live your life, work hard to build your heaven on earth. Show love to the needy and less privileged. Be the best you can. No white man is coming to take you to paradise, trust me.

The fear of the afterlife has got you spell bound. I was once like you. Hopefully you see the light at some point, I'm positive you would eventually.

Faith is for the weak.
grin grin don't worry bros, I like your outward courage and appearance of boldness. I hope you will still maintain this same level of courage when you die and stand before Jesus to be judged for eternity.

I only wish this your boldness was real, but you and I know that inside of you, you're as weak as jelly, but outside you have to sound the opposite to cover your internal weakness. You don't surprise me bros grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op):
badman007:
What a waste of time. If you think I'd spend time reading this poo, you must be a joker.

Do you know the story of creation according to Edo tradition?
......and that exactly is how you keep perpetuating your gross ignorance! Lucifer will never allow you read it, because if you mistakingly read it with an open mind, you will end up questioning the lies and deceit Lucifer had sold to you all along. Your case is not new. I have seen so many of your type before......including cultists who mistakingly attended our church meeting because they were tracking somebody to hit, and in the process of sitting in church and hearing the truth of the gospel, they realized they had been fooled all along and today they are saved in Christ and now preaching the gospel to other people.


As for your Edo gods who you were fed with lies to make you believe they created the world, I just need to let you know that those are all lies. They are no gods. They are mere demons and evil spirits parading as gods to deceive people. I BIND AND CAST THEIR TYPE AWAY ON A REGULAR BASIS, SO THEY ARE USELESS gods.
Christianity EtcRe: If We All Came From Adam & Eve, Then Why Do We Have Many Races & Languages? by nelsonoba(op): 8:54pm On Jul 14, 2019
Blakjewelry:
lol the funny thing is you said I believe in what I read, so you reading the bible is what? the only difference between you and I is I decided to use the functional part of my brain while you still stick to the era of men who use their limited knowledge to explain their world
You use the functional part of your brain to explain the world, and that is why you would rather believe human beings evolved from a piece of rock as the evolution theory suggests, rather than believe an intelligent, Almighty being created the universe.

You use your brain and you claim to believe in 'science', but the theory of evolution in itself makes folly of the intelligence of the so-called scientists who believe in it. Do you know why? Because at the core of the theory of evolution is the myth that there was a big bang which occurred and out of it came rocks from which humans evolved. Now, IF YOU ARE A SCIENTIST, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT NEWTON'S FIRST LAW OF MOTION STATES THAT A BODY AT REST WILL CONTINUE TO BE AT REST, AND A BODY IN MOTION WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN MOTION UNTIL IT IS ACTED UPON BY AN EXTERNAL FORCE!

If the big bang caused the earth to come into existence, then WHO CREATED THE FORCE THAT CAUSED THE BANG? IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME, THEN IT SHOWS EITHER ONE OF TWO THINGS;

1) YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE BASICS OF SCIENCE WHICH YOU CLAIM TO BASE YOUR BELIEF ON.

2) YOU ARE A SELF-DELUDED FELLOW WHO PROBABLY KNOWS THE TRUTH, BUT DECIDES TO KEEP DECEIVING HIMSELF AND HOPING HE CAN 'WISH AWAY' THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH THAT THE WORLD WAS CREATED BY GOD.

EITHER WAY, YOU NEED JESUS TO SAVE YOU. YOU WILL STILL CONFESS THAT THERE IS A GOD WHO MADE THE WORLD, EITHER WILLINGLY WHILE YOU ARE STILL ALIVE OR WHEN YOU DIE AND YOU FACE THIS SAME GOD TO BE JUDGED BY HIM. THE CHOICE IS YOURS TO EITHER USE YOUR BRAIN RIGHT AND FOLLOW COMMON SENSE OR NOT USE YOUR BRAIN AND KEEP LYING TO YOURSELF TILL IT'S TOO LATE TO REPENT WHEN YOU DIE

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