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muhsin:
Was he? Why are you recycling in one area?

Who Allah, the Exalted, says these words unto how would he ever had anything like "Satanic Verses"?


“If he (Messenger) were to invent any saying in Our Name, We should certainly have seized him by the right hand and We should then have surely cut off the artery of his heart"
[Qur’an 60:44-46]

“Say; It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it (the revelation). I follow naught but what is revealed unto me"
[Qur'an 10:15 ]

“No falsehood can approach it from the front, nor from the rear (i.e. neither directly nor indirectly). It is sent-down from Allah the All-Wise, the All-Praiseworthy.”
[Qur'an 41:42]

“We indeed have sent down the recital (the Qur’an) and indeed are its Protectors (from any interference).”
[Qur'an 15:9]

“In what way (We have revealed it), that We may make your heart firm thereby; and We have dictated it in stages.”
[Qur'an 25:32]

Then why the abrogations in the koran??

Abuzola:
There is no satanic verse mr man

There were referred to in your hadiths by al-tabari and bin-sa'd, uninformed muslim

Abuzola:
Read olabowale post again, you did not read otherwise you will get it

That is the greatest humiliation you will give to your wife,,,,,,bulala

Abuzola:
Is a lie, jesus died and thats final. How an actor be killed and resurrect to fight again ? Huh. Thats film trick, so don't talk to me like a kid

Yes you are a kid, and every muslim is spiritually inactive.

Why would allah instruct you to beat your wives?

muhsin:
Is this what you resort to?

LOL

Your typical ways; for you know we Muslims can't do the same to you.

"We make no distinction between any of His (God's) messengers. . .(":285)

AlhamduliLlah!

Then why was he given satanic verses??

But you referred to his write ups as if he is a christian scholar

Abuzola:
Nezan: Mathew 27:46-50 jesus died so no doubt the biblical jesus died

,,,,,but rose again,,,,,
and the koranic Jesus is also alive?
In every case, Jesus is now alive

is abuzola a christian scholar? let us return back to your satanic verses

Abuzola:
When you respect others, you will be respected. Mind the way you talk to sir olabowale

olabowale is my age mate, you are not.

muhsin:
He too has never.

His Creator is just making something else clear there.

Don't just take literal meaning and attach to Qur'an. Go to school.

No, I no go go school, I be boko-haram. mo was a prophet of the devil

muhsin:
I don't wanna always be repeating myself.

But I made it glaringly clear above why is that so.

You too can reason it: for instance, some can write falsely about Christianity. If that favors my opinion why shouldn't I enthusiastically grab it and employ it when defaming that "religion"? Think reflectively, dude.

No christian writer has alluded to satanic verses in the bible, why should islamic writers allude to satanic verses in the koran?

muhsin:
What are you insinuating here?

Like you are concreting my facts.

Nope.
Mo was possesed by a demon.
He uttered satanic verses.
Turn to justify it by falsely accusing older prophets of uttering satanic verses too.
This in itself is satanic since no true prophet of God ever uttered satanic verses.

muhsin:
Rushdie's book is just a filthy attack on the Prophet (saw), really disgusting actually. I haven't read it myself and nor do I plan to but here is a taste of his vulgar style:

Prophet Abraham (as) is called a 'bast***' (nauzubillah) p.95
He calls Salman al-Farsi (ra) 'some sort of bum' , Hazrat Bilal (ra) an 'enormous black monster' [nauzubillah] (pgs 101-102)

He also frequently calls prophet Muhammad (saw) 'Mahound' in his book, just like Christians did in the time of the crusades.

Definitely the sick man deserve a bitter punishment. No religion can condone such a snootiness. Is there?

May be he discovered that mohammed was a fraud?

muhsin:
NO.

Then why accuse Christians of promoting the satanic verses since they were not the authors?

muhsin:
Can you support that claim?

Any way, lets assume it was, but I elaborated that the chain report of any tradition is thoroughly checked and re-checked by scholars.

But you can still back-up your assertion.

Al Tabari and Ibn-sa'd were islamic writers, not christians.

muhsin:
Because he was discredited by myriads Muslim scholars who have vast knowledge of the chain of Hadeeth report.

Very soon your scholars will discredit all hadiths as olabowale is doing,,,,,denying that Aisha was not disvirgined at 9-years old.

As can be seen from al-Tabari's writings, the evidence is conclusive that Muhammad was used by Satan. To excuse his own conduct, Muhammad blamed Satan, and then he defamed all the prophets when he claimed that Satan casts words into the mouths of all the prophets. In other words, Muhammad charged that all the prophets uttered words under the inspiration of Satan!  This Qur'anic verse is itself a Satanic Verse woven into the very fabric of the Qur'an. Muhammad offered not the slightest proof to substantiate his wicked defamation of Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Elijah, etc.

Never did We send a Messenger or a Prophet before you, but; when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, Shait? (Satan) threw (some falsehood) in it. But All? abolishes that which Shait? (Satan) throws in. Then All? establishes His Revelations. And All? is All-Knower, All-Wise: Sura al-Hajj 22:52 (Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali & Muhammad Muhsin Khan's Translation)

muhsin:
This issue predates Rushdi; he only popularized an age-old basless tale by including it in his fiction novel.

Was Rushdie a Christian? Why declare a fatwa on him if the tale was baseless?

muhsin:
Right these are the alleged "verses".

Then what?

were the verses written by christians?

muhsin:
That is your preponderant problem as well as flaw which will certainly (though eventually) deal to your downfall, Nezan. You never read between the lines but go on arguing spuriously.

Re-read where I bolded now and the original OP.

And regarding the authenticity or falsity of Hadeeth, I dealt with this deliberate miscalculation.

You are misunderstanding me, Al-Tabari's account came from contemporaries of the prophet, or did Al-Tabari based his account on Christians who transmitted the story? the story was transmitted by contemporaries of mohammed.

muhsin:
NO. Can't be.

Explained above.

Then why are you discrediting Al-tabari and ibn sa'd?

The true, vital issue about the Satanic verses is this. If Muhammad were unable to distinguish Satan's voice from God's voice, then could there be verses in the Qur'an that Muhammad assumed were from God but were really from Satan? Maybe much of the Qur'an is Satanic in origin, in spite of Muhammad's conviction that it was entirely from Allah.

The Qur'an clearly states that Muhammad spoke in the name of God and that he said things that God had not commanded him! Next, he charges that all the prophets of God voiced Satanic statements! According to the holy law of God, Muhammad ought to have been put to death as a false prophet! According to the Holy Scriptures, if a prophet spoke anything in the name of LORD that was not from Him, the prophet must be put to death! Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah and then admitted that he had really spoken the words of Satan.

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. Deuteronomy 18:20 (NIV)

In Sura Hajj (Pilgrimage) 22:52-53, Muhammad confessed his mistake, alleging that all prophets were tempted by Satan who inspire them with demonic verses, as if they were actually revealed by God. But later on Allah abrogated those Satanic Verses with new revelations and instructs his prophets with new verses. According to Islam, Allah permits such demonic inspiration to test weak believers and to cut off those with hardened hearts.

Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth): Hajj (Pilgrimage) 22:52-53. Yusuf 'Ali's translation

The statement that Allah was involved with female goddesses while Muhammad and his people were left with men, was cynically discussed by author Salman Rushdie. He made the impure account even more obscene. His book was regarded as utterly blasphemous by all Muslims.

Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22
Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division.  
أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى
وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى
أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى
تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى. سورة النجم - سورة ‏٥٣: ١٩-٢٢‏

Al-Tabari mentions the so-called 'Satanic verses' story in his Tarikh as well as an important set of statements in the introduction of his book, which states:

   
Let him who examines this book of mine know that I have relied, as regards everything I mention therein which I stipulate to be described by me, solely upon what has been transmitted to me by way of reports which I cite therein and traditions which I ascribe to their narrators, to the exclusion of what may be apprehended by rational argument or deduced by the human mind, except in very few cases. This is because knowledge of the reports of men of the past and of contemporaneous views of men of the present do not reach the one who has not witnessed them nor lived in their times except through the accounts of reporters and the transmission of transmitters, to the exclusion of rational deduction and mental inference. Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us but to those who transmitted it to us and we have merely passed this on as it has been passed on to us.
So the satanic verses emanated from contemporaries of your prophet, it was not a Christian forgery, okay?

“In Madeenah there were seven people who used to forge chains of narration.

very interesting, so some islamic writings were forgeries?

It is worthy to note that the alleged story was transmitted from al-Waqidi ( Muhammad Ibn Umar ) to Ibn Sa'd who was a known fabricator of events

You mean some muslim scholars were event fabricators? interesting,,,,,,,,,like the flying fire horse and transfiguration where mohammed met Jesus?

@muhsin,

Christian missionaries and anti-Islamics over the years have tainted the image of Islam, fabricating lies against Prophet Muhammad (sa) and completeley defiling his character. One such lie hold against the prophet (sa) is the lie of the ‘Satanic Verses’

The missionaries have two major sources:

(1) Ibn Sa'd
(2) Ibn Jarir al-Tabari

Your argument is tainted, you accused Christian missionaries of fabricating lies, now you are mentioning muslims as sources of the story?

ASUU's strikes are becoming too much, come to think of it, their are the highest paid public servants in 9ja.

I was fulfilled,,,,,just what I wanted,,,,,,,a big society wedding to please my wifey.