Darkchild:

emmie4j,

please be civil and contribute positively to the discussion otherwise stay out.

make me

ajia23:

Oh my God, this is reminiscent of someone I have now come to miss on this site-Ajisafe. Could this be him in reincarnation? Emmie4j, now you have confirmaed to me that christians are indeed hypocritical about their claims to being peaceful. I always thought so, but never was so sure. Now, America is your war weapon, yet a lot of your brethren claim America is a secular state, now the truth is revealed . Keep it up.


They plan, but God plans and God is best of planners.

Now to all christians, when I statrted this thread, I only needed a clarification of the issue I raised, but unfortunately, I got verbose invectives from quintessential christians, while the fundamental questions have not been answered.

OlaAjia painstakingly researched the old testament, and came out with some quotes which even by Islamic standards are so barbaric, and we asked, is it the same peaceful god of the christians that actually revealed those exceedingly violent commandments? If he is , what made him have the volte-face? Please respond to this as much as you can in a calm, collected and calculated manner. Try avoiding invectives as you are wont to do. Otherwise, you are certainly allowed to take the escapist way out of these things by pretending not to see the underlying issues.
I am still waiting.

U sound like ur little whining brothers in the middle east. U have the impetus to talk about the "immorality of christianity", but guess what, I will always chose a "2 timer cock sucking-LovePeddler" over ur "throat cutting, pediophilic, women hater" brethren every time of the day. I would rather be neighbors with a man that F**ks another man in the ass than ur stinking sheiks that will cut people's hands off and marry away underage girls to retired old men. ur religion and "sharia" nonsense suck,,,,ur prophet is also a pedophile that f**ks nine year old. SO u have no moral justification whatsoever to ask questions about the morality of christianity until u change ur own f**king self.

emmie4j ,

Like someone once quoted,

[center]'it is better for u to keep your mouth shut and let people assume u are a fool, than for u to open it and erase all doubt'.[/center]

And yes, please grow up!!!

Darkchild:

emmie4j ,

Like someone once quoted,

[center]'it is better for u to keep your mouth shut and let people assume u are a fool, than for u to open it and erase all doubt'.[/center]

And yes, please grow up!!!

I LOVE U TOO!!!!!!

Ajisafe incarnate, Are we missing on the topic here? Lest you've forgotten, it is: Does Christianity Support Immorality And Pacifism? and not WHO you prefer between a throat cutter and a cock sucker

ajia23:

Ajisafe incarnate, Are we missing on the topic here? Lest you've forgotten, it is: Does Christianity Support Immorality And Pacifism? and not WHO you prefer between a throat cutter and a cock sucker

I  Ajisafe,,,,,,,,,lmao

emmie4j et all,

I think you should take a look at the table, It might educate u a bit and bring u out of your state of ignorance, and remember, this is even just Sex (Not marriage) and in this mordern age.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

And peadophilia means - an adult who is sexually attracted to children and NOT someone married to one.

My 2 kobo.

Darkchild:

no mind them jaare. All the misunderstanding stems from the ignorance of not understanding Islam. How many Xtians have u met that have read the Koran. Less than a Handful.

@Darkchild,
Let me ask: how many Muslims have taken the time to read through the Bible? I'm a Christian and have read the Qur'an in English back cover to back cover in four English translations. I've also read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and last week was the 13th time I completed reading it - in five English versions: NKJV, KJV, NIV, Amplified and ESV. Besides, I have 'gone through' some other English versions like the Good News Bible (GNB) and the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB).

When you take a position like that expressed in your post, you fail to realise that there are so many Christians who dwarf what I have done in reading both books. Recently at the airport after a short visit to Nigeria, I was amazed to have the rare opportunity of meeting another well-read Nigerian who was also on a short visit. I was gobsmacked at his diction, his library (which he came to freight to his home abroad) and his scholarship - he has read the Bible in many English versions, the Qur'an in more than 8 translations, more than 34 'gnostic gospels'. . . and he still has the time to pursue a doctorate and his professional career in GIS (Geographic Information Systems), besides family life (he's yet to be married). Guess what - he's a Nigerian, and I've obtained his permission (after serious pleading) to make passing reference to him on the Forum - he's welborn! And yet he tells me that he's just a 'nobody' in the number of 'quiet' Nigerians abroad who are erudite in a number of other professional career and know five times more than he does about the things of God.

Christians are not what you think of them - and 4get_me has opened a thread for you to post your misgivings and stereotypes about Christians and Christianity on this Forum: use it!

Oga Gwaine

Welcome sir! However, with all your readership and research skills, you have failed to reply to my question. Was it the same God that ordered the Jews to kill unbelievers, pluck the breast of women off, cut the thumbs of prisoners of war that also sent Jesus down with the new testament? If the answer is Yes, why the change in tatics? Is he a good God by those standards? Is he the same peaceful God? If you think you cannot handle the question, fine, please call on your eminent acquaintance you met at the airport to help us.

I saw this article in the guardian of yeasterday, and it raises a lot of questions still unanswered about the divinity of Jesus, and indeed the fundamentals of the gaith. May be Gwaine can expouse the issues raised.

Hi all, to further butress my position that the bible surely contradicts itself, here is an excerpt from the Guardian newspaper of Nigeria today.

Still on the Da Vinci Code
By Osaro Odache
THE recent article by Pius Isiekwene in The Guardian of June 29, 2006 condemning author Dan Brown over his depiction of Jesus in The Da Vinci Code was another spirited attempt to hoodwink the unwary amidst inexplicable inconsistencies and contradictions in the present-day Bible. Over the years, reasoned literary critiques of religious dogmas have always met with accusations of blasphemy and heresy. Adherents of Christian faith deliberately avoid discussing or debating such doctrines. In the process, the uninformed is further misled and sound reasoning is suppressed. But is the modern Bible totally free of flaws, as Mr. Isiekwene would want us to believe? A cursory assessment of certain Biblical positions run counter to the writer's position of justifying that every word in the Book was spiritually inspired.

The doctrine of Trinity forms the cornerstone on which Christianity stands. Yet it is one of the most profound and difficult dogmas to explain and understand. But should it be so? Of course, truth should not be so difficult to espouse and justify. If we agree that there is a Supreme Being called God then Trinity is clearly against the concept of one father in heaven who creates and sustains.

With the Old Testament saying "in the beginning there was God and the word was with God and the word was God", then the Bible is implying that God had a beginning. That would be contrary to the concept of eternity of God. Shouldn't the "Word" with God mean the command by which the Supreme Father causes all things to be and also bring them to an end as He wills. It is by "Word" that Adam was created (with neither father nor mother), Eve was created (without a mother but with a father) and Jesus created (with a mother but not a father). The lesson is that God is almighty and is capable of doing all things. If it would take the immaculateness of a being to cleanse the world of sins, the angels are better placed for that purpose. Otherwise, it would run counter to Jesus' statement that no man born of a woman is without sins: Jesus was born of a woman. The Bible also informs us that Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist, (presumably, a sinner).

If Jesus is God, then the concept of God was incomplete for three days when Jesus was killed. The God in Heaven was also incomplete while Jesus was sojourning on earth and, of course, before his birth. This would be contrary to the notion of God being the same always. Also, of the three Godheads, whom do we supplicate to? Which of the three Godheads will sit in judgment on the last day?

That Jesus is the same as God predisposes that he was addressing himself on the cross for being forsaken in his hours of need. And how do we justify Mark 16:19 where Jesus sat on the right hand of God (sitting besides a different person or besides himself?). In the same verse, the Holy Spirit is missing. If Christ voluntarily surrendered himself to redeem mankind, how come that he tried frantically to prevent his own trial and crucifixion? And should Judas Iscariot be considered an enemy if he facilitated redemption of mankind through crucifixion? Judas ought to be glorified and commended rather than condemned and vilified. Were the people who wrote about the incident on the Calvary present at the site? Didn't they all flee when Jesus was captured?

The concept of God begetting a biological son was strange to Jesus' teaching. It is unity of essence/purpose and not of person. The Jews and Romans brought the doctrine into Christianity. Jews equally believe that Ezra is beloved son of God. Several people are referred to as sons of God in the Bible. In any case, what sort of father would ransom his beloved and righteous son to redeem the wayward and irresponsible children? Seems quite strange. Is it not against natural law for a carrier of burdens to carry other people's burdens?

Equating Jesus with God is not a position shared by all Christian denominations. Are they worse Christians? Why are there so many divergent interpretations and modes of worship in Christendom even though it is the same God, the same Jesus and the same Scripture? Why would a Christian refuse to attend any other church apart from his own denomination even with similarity of God and Scripture? Why are there so many versions of the Bible? Does the same Holy Spirit inspire these different versions with diverse teachings?

The controversy often generated by Trinity and other biblical dogmas and plain contradictions in several places in the Bible call to question Apostle Paul's statement (shared by Mr. Isiekwene) that everything in the Bible was inspired by God. Surely, God could not have inspired confusion. The original scripts of the Bible were in Hebrew, then Greek before being translated into numerous languages whereas Jesus did not speak any other language except Aramaic, a subset of Hebrew, now extinct. So, in what language was the Bible inspired and after how many years after the death of Christ? Of course, God could not have inspired the numerous contradictions in both the Old and the New Testaments. He could also not have inspired the disparaging statements made against other holy men such as Noah, Abraham and David.

The Bible calls on us to reason together. Therefore, does Trinity recognise the mightiness of God? If so, then what sort of (almighty) God would be defeated by a man (Israel defeated God in the Bible)? What sort of (almighty) God would be tempted by the devil (Jesus was)? What sort of (visionless) God would regret his action (God regretted creating man in the Bible)? What sort of (almighty) God would be powerless in the midst of miscreants who wanted his blood? How mighty is a God that got tired and slumbered (Biblical God was after the creation)? Is the statement credited to Jesus asking his mother what had he got to do with her a fair report?

Apostle Paul's coming into Christianity and outshining disciples like John and James after enormous persecution of the early converts is quite intriguing. His role in writing those books in the New Testament and in formulating new rules and declarations (unknown to or sanctioned by Christ) are so significant that his coming ought to have been predicted by Jesus. Disappointedly, Jesus never knew him nor did Christ anoint him in anyway. Was Paul's vision and conversion to Christianity corroborated by any of the known disciples?

There are several issues in the Bible that call for strong reservation and for which writers like Dan Brown are entitled to take positions. Trinity is just one of them. Religion is a matter of the soul and eternal salvation. It should be based on strong conviction not conjectures. Man should use education and intellect to ascertain the truth in order to earn salvation. This informs the need to study other Scriptures to ascertain the truth. It is the only way we can be free as people perish for lack of (true) knowledge. Dan Brown's literary work should be appreciated and not condemned. Mr. Isiekwene and other ecclesiastics should allow literary critiques of nebulous dogmas.


Odache lives in Benin City, Edo State.


© 2003 - 2006 @ Guardian Newspapers Limited (All Rights Reserved).

It sure raises a lot of interesting questions doesn't it? please gwaine, TayoD, mlks_baby, 4get_me, answer some of these questions in the most scientific way possible. I have looked for the answers to these for a long time.
Here is the link to the article http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/editorial_opinion/article04

Dark child

Thanks for that link. I was surprised at the findings of those researchers. The Arab countries acted true to type by raising the ages for consent to sex in line with the Islamic tradition, and placing outright bans on same-sex relationships. I was however mortified by the figure for our dear country Nigeria. It shows we still have a lot of work to do.

@ajia23,

I thought you'd be cool and grown up when discussing issues. It's an understatement to say that I'm disappointed. However, since you have resumed your use of lack of common sense, you'll be reading my posts in just the same way as you serve others.

With regards to answering your questions, you should understand a few things. I'm least interested in noise, if at all. If you're asking questions with a mindset already to "prove" what you really want to read, you can as well waste your future on the forum. If, however, you want to understand Christianity in the Bible, I'll be pleased to share with you what you jst don't understand and have continued to exhibit your ignorance thereto.

Since you chaps are running out of steam, the best you can do is recycle articles from thread to thread. That's fine - as long as it helps your immaturity and provides some titters for some of us. Yet, sit down and ask yourself a simple question about the latest post: if Odache has posted the same things about the "Allah" of the Qur'an, would the Guardian have carried the article? If that had happened, would the Guardian Newspapers have survived another hour without suffering the inferno and rampage characteristic of Muslims in Nigeria?

It's just okay for Odache et al to fuel your misgivings about Christianity, and you're all too happy to quote him, repost his infantile thesis, and continue to recycle that and others you can fetch from just about any source. But does that "prove" all his arguments? Not one bit - for the mere reason that he's towing the very same line that half-baked ignoramuses appeal to. It's all too glaring to see that the gentleman has asked runaway questions without having done a careful study of the words in their original languages and contexts. That is forgiveable - as we can often  afford to forgive any such fool that foams in the mouth and makes noise in the streets.

Since the Da Vinci Code has given you sleepless nights such that you could bring up the issue (Still On the Da Vinci Code), I could as well ask a few more salient questions in a similar occurence about Islam. This time, rather than quote the likes of Osaro Odache, turn for a moment to Salman Rushdie who dared to query some of the missing links in the Qur'an in his "fictional" work, The Satanic Verses. What did you Muslims do to him and his publishers? You're grown-up enough - go figure, and then ask yourself if by any stretch real Christians who know their Bibles have bothered Dan Brown with a pen-knife.

Again, what did you Muslims do to Ali Dashti who exposed the hypocrisy of Muhammad for his insatiable lust for child brides and women? Your "holy" prophet couldn't keep his long-john is his zippers, and just about any woman could be taken to bed under the "revelation" of 'women taken as booty in war!' Ali Dashti was not a Christian, but having grown up as under Islamic influence, his only crime was not to pursue 'faith' without reason - and for all that, even at the elderly age of 83, he was tortured to death in Khomeini's prisons.

These are the few things thinking people do not speak about, that's why my appraoch is different - I don't peddle recycled stuff on Nairaland. So, if you're trying to be sly about my scholarship, there's still time for you to go back to school and pursue a degree. At least, grow up, ajia23. . . grow up.

You might also be interested in researching a bit on Ibn Warraq, author of 'Why I Am Not A Muslim'. Oh no, don't suppose that by that he's an atheist or a Christian. Far from it. The point is that, when you try to put down others for their scholarship, then you might just be surprised about what they know that you don't.

When you calm down and talk to me, then I'll serve you in just the same manner. Amicably.

Some ignorant prick goes to get a new profile under a funny name and comes to exhibit his stupidity over christainity. Any goat that wakes up comes to talk trash about christainity.

lioness,
I hope thats not gwaine u r talking about ooo. It aint fair to insult ur brother like that!!!

It is either you guys don't read our posts or you just choose to ignore everything we've said so far.

I have said many times on this post that the God who gave that law in the Old Testament acted in the capacity of a Government over atheocratic state called Isreal.  He corroborated this in the New Testament where we are told that the secular government is God's tool to reward the just and to punish the unlawful.  When are you guys going to get this into your heads?  Maybe your constant refusal to see this is what makes people just ignore you, as no one has the time to keep repeating themselves over and over again.

With regards to the postings, I find that the author is just as ignorant of the scriptures as the same people who believe the numerous errors he wrote down.  He starterd off by quoting from John 1:1 and claimed that it is the Old Testament.  da ha ha.  

Of course the trinity is not something you can easily understand.  Of such, the Bible says we compare spirritual things with spiritual, but you are in the physical plain and you just cannot fathom this.  Let me give you an easier thing to think about and explain to us precisely.  Can you explain the composition of man?  What is your spirit, soul, intellect, emotion etc,   If you do not even understand yourself fully, how then can you understand God fully?

God was never incomplete at all at the time the man Jesus died.  You need to understand a concept, God entered into and inhabited a body of a man called Jesus.  At the time Jesus was walking in the deserts of Nazareth, His humanity was very much dinstinct from His deity.  The one that died and rose again was his humanity - you cannot kill God.  In the New Testament, Jesus calls attention to His humanity by calling himself the son of man, and He calls attention to His deity by calling Himself the Son of God.  As a man, we see him saying "I thirst", as God we hear Him say "Come unto me all you that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."  

The mystical figure we call Jesus Christ is what is known in spiritual circles as an hypostatic union.  A hypostatic union is when two different entities combine together to form a new entity while maintaining the dinstiction of each entity.  Jesus Christ therefore, is 100% God and 100% Man.  That is the mystery of godliness, and God in His wisdom can choose to be and do what He wants to do.  Or do you think otherwise?

How can you claim the concept of God having a son was strange to Jesus when it is clearly enshrined in the pslams.  Jesus acknowledged being God's son sevral times in the New Testament, and we see Thomas bowing down and worshipping Him calling Him my Lord and My God.  Please read through the following scripture and count how many times the Son of God is mentioned by Jesus Himself.  John 5 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.So I wonder where this man got his information from.

He also asked, "Was Paul's vision and conversion to Christianity corroborated by any of the known disciples"?  The answer is a resounding YES.  See 2 Peter 3: 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So what is the conclusion of the whole matter?  Your hero here has no clue what he is talking about and has Apostle Peter wrote, such people are unlearned and unstable and they only wrest with the scriptures unto their own destruction.  Don't make the mistake of jumpiong into the same boat with him.

P.S.
You guys should please present some facts and stop making accusations with no scriptural basis.  Posting stuffs like don't help your cause at all.  ajia23, I expect you to know better than that.

lioness,

Please try to be a bit civil.

I really cant understand why this discussion must result in abuse.

Dont u have more constructive sentences to make?

OlaAjia:

Thanks @Ajia23 for that! You know, I often used to wonder why many of my Christian friends told me that all sins are equal!!!
. . .

I know their next move! Old testament! Old Testament!! right? Oh please don't give that lame excuse. Or why then is the old testament featured in your Bible? Pacifists indeed. Not only are you liars You're also rebellious to your lord who has commanded these things unto you.

I feel so sorry for you, OlaAjia. You're only a youth who needs to understand loads of issues about life. Ajia23 finds solace in your applause for his ignorance, and I haven't stopped laughing at the comical relief that you both put up. Don't waste your talent - please pick a slot in prime-time television and let's see more of your performance at Comedy Central!

First of all, what many of your "Christian friends" tell you may not necessarily be the position of the Bible, in just the same way that many of my "Muslim friends" may say things that are just not taught in the Qur'an or Hadith. To be sure, the Bible does not say that all sins are equal!!! Rather, God sees all men as sinners without exception - Rom 3:23: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." The only Man that ever lived without a sin is Jesus Christ - because He is God who through the Incarnation became Man.

Since all men are sinners, not all sins are equal. Again, the Bible:

John 19:11 - "Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."

But, even if we all know that men commit sins and are therefore sinners in the sight of a Holy God, you may see the solution as a Muslim differently from what Christians believe. The Bible shows us clearly that no man can save himself or herself; and that salvation is provided for man by God in God's own way:

Rom. 3:24 - "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."

Others may want to work for it and not receive God's offer of grace. But in God's own mercy, since He sees our hearts and knows that the best of us is still a sinner at best, He sent grace through His Son Jesus Christ to everyone who would receive it by simple faith. That's why salvation is a gift, not a reward. We are rewarded for our deeds; but no one will be "rewarded" for grace - because it is provided freely by God Himself, and no one can boast anything towards God, just as Jesus stated:

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
(Luke 18:10-14).

                    =====================================================================

Now, with regards to quoting the Old Testament and trying to force it on Christians, you have not demonstrated clear reason - if indeed you have read through the Bible, instead of trying to 'hunt' a few verses to be taken out of context. Yes, indeed, I acknowledge those verses in the Bible that record the killings; and I cannot defend it as a Christian doctrine. For anyone to ask me to do that is tantamount to asking me to lose my Christian calling and become a Jew of Moses' day. God did not order Christians to go about killing people - not even as Muhammad pursued his career. The difference between the OT and the NT is the people to whom they were given and the covenants under which they were enacted.

Only to the Jews were the OT Law given, and that was clear in Moses' repeated decalaration:

Deut. 5:2-3 - "The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day."

Deut. 31:11 - "When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing."

Unless you want to make all Christians to become Jews, then I don't see how you who pretends to have read the Bible would have missed those points. So there - Christians are not liars, as you charged - it's simply that in your youthful exhuberance, you just don't understand them nor their holy Scriptures. Take my advice: engage in dialogue and be very slow to accuse others of what you don't know or understand. Ask ajia23, he knows just when some of us cannot be bothered with his caprices and when we can afford to send him scurrying.


PSSST: that picture at your profile page is cool. . . but, was that a knife you have under your arms, ready to slaughter those who disagree with you?

Am talking about the Jack-ass who got this thread rolling.

Darkchild:

lioness,
I hope thats not gwaine you're talking about ooo. It aint fair to insult your brother like that!!!

Whatever! There is no need being civil over this. Gone are the days when christains will be trampled upon with all manner of junks just because of we turn the other cheek to be slapped. NO WAY!
Its useless trying to preach, convert or even reason with these people because 1stly, they have their minds already made up. 2ndly, they make posts to mock christains the same way the pharises were asking JESUS questions to mock Him.

I'm a christain. But if you slap me on one cheek, i wont turn the other. Rather, i will turn and knock you over.

Darkchild:

lioness,

Please try to be a bit civil.

I really can't understand why this discussion must result in abuse.

Dont u have more constructive sentences to make?

@Darkchild,

Darkchild:

lioness,
I hope thats not gwaine you're talking about ooo. It aint fair to insult your brother like that!!!

Wake up - lioness knows how to read, and she defintely knows I'm not talking trash about Christianity but setting you and your beloved Muslims straight about certain things they don't know. And you really shouldn't be trying to ask Christians to be civil - I didn't read that you asked OlaAjia and Ajia23 to be "civil" instead of resorting to abuses.

Thank you Gwaine

Thats my girl.
Truely, i think its enough. When the cartoon on mohammed was made, war broke out, yet these muslims are here talking trash on christainity and we are trying to actually reason with them?
Christains love peace doesnt mean you guys can bring all accusations against us.

lioness:

Whatever! There is no need being civil over this. Gone are the days when christains will be trampled upon with all manner of junks just because of we turn the other cheek to be slapped. NO WAY!
I'm a christain. But if you slap me on one cheek, i wont turn the other. Rather, i will turn and knock you over.

@lioness,
My dear, God's blessings follow you from now till Jesus comes!! Just don't let the stupidity of anyone make you descend to their level - they're just being too cheap when they do that. We know when to answer and when not to be bothered with their noise. See it here -

Prove. 26:4 - "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."

                                            and

Prov. 26:5 - "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."

Am going to spit fire if this thread continues

@ajia23

Am sorry to say this but you are really proving that ultimately, your level of understanding is either that of an 11 month old or that ur hate for the christians (just like ur other muslem folks all over the globe) have eaten deep into you.

  Sorry and may Allah n God (which ever u prefare) have mercy on you.
  "Dirty Terrorist"

@Ajia23

Lmao, so you can't argue your own course any more, you have to beg the Agnostics and aethetis to come and argue on the case to what ? tell us christainity is mumbojumbo? laughable they the very same people who say your beloved islam is a joke.

Why are people giving you the time of day on this topic? you are fairly new here too, what you after recognison? puleez, come back with something moere sensible, i am not even going to slate you for being moslem, because i know many moslems who talk more sense and have more peace in their hearts, so you are a minority, just like the evil terrorists out there they are a minority infact they are not proper moslems. You come here and bring shame on your religion you are pathetic. The human wisdom is meaningless,its all madness and folly and its all chasing in the wind.meaningless meaningless meaningless.

Lioness,

but is knocking me over not going against one of the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Think well before u act, remember vengence is for GOD, or be condemned in hell fire.

I hope you thought carefully and recognized that 'vengence is for GOD' before you wrote that. Remember, if Muhammad slaughtered millions for not following him, what vengence are you talking about then? Or, if knocking you over is 'against one of the teachings of Jesus Christ,' do Muslims even believe that - with their frequent calls for anti-pacificism and 'turning the other cheek'? Why is it that you can hardly take the heat from Christians, but can endure the same rule of engagement from Muslims?

lol good one

LMAO! @ Darkchild

which of the teachings of Jesus Christ is knockin you over against ? Quote the teaching let me hear. Hypocrite

And who said am given you vengence?
Have u not read, spare the rod and spoil the child?
I'd be helping you by knockin you over.  Its about time.

Darkchild:

Lioness,

but is knocking me over not going against one of the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Think well before u act, remember vengence is for GOD, or be condemned in hell fire.

Darkchild:

Lioness,

but is knocking me over not going against one of the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Think well before u act, remember vengence is for GOD, or be condemned in hell fire.

Are you sure, darkchild that you a muslim posted that? To start with, your ID, darkchild, says a lot about the state of your soul.
If indeed you think (becos i dont think you and ur ilk believe that for one second) that "vengeance is for God", why was mallam jangedi's right hand cut off? Salman Rushdie still has a fatwah over his head, what of Daniels of thisday newspapers who wrote an article on mohammed in the aftermath of the botched miss world contest. For a religion that is most fixated on marrying more than 4 wives, pedophilia and the promise of 72 virgins in heaven, that was most hypocritical.

Oh my! Was it 72 virgins I thot it was 7 virgins.

Very observant, Davidylan, Lol. Eddy, let us Tell you something.

Muslims will do whatever they can to protect the pedophilia of the Quraish prophet - Muhammad. One source puts the number of women who passed under Muhammad's long-john at 22 (Ali Dashti); another puts it at a greater figure, especially considering those he received as 'booty' from war. For Muhammad, others are welcome to pursue no more than 4 wives on planet earth. . . if they want more, they should fight for "Allah" so that they could be guaranteed 72 virgins in paradise. If that is nor adultery and fornication by "revelation", somebody should explain ajia23's reason behind opening this thread.

Apart from that, there's another "revelation" that the prophet received and passed down to pacify his followers - they could go ahead and arrange two types of marriages: a stable one and a temporary one. So, a Muslim male could jump from bed to bed with the "divine revelation" of marrying several women temporarily, divorcing them, marrying others again under the same arrangement. . . until he has completed his 72 rounds on earth. Do the maths:

72 divided by 4 = 18. So it will take about rounds of marry-divorce-marry-again-divorce-again to complete his 72 virgins on earth,
and if he fights the Jihad for "Allah's cause", another frolic of 72 child-brides/virgins await them - don't forget the rivers of ogogoro
to go along with the gambol.

Shébi they want to know which religion "supports immorality and pacifism"? We'll be doing some educating about this as much as they desire and require of us.

Whata prophet

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