One thing i know for sure is that the old and new testament never contradicts each other just as Jesus said that he has not come to condemn the old testament or add to it.
So old testament or new testament my broda dont be swayed away they are both written with inspiration from God. No matter what the case is Never do without Tithing. I have tried the two ends and I know which one came to my aid.

As christians, we should live according to the new testament. The scriptures tell us that the old testament is written for our learning. The old testament is a shadow of a better covenant (the new covenant)...founded upon better promises.

u sound like a pastor.

hmm....

Well...I think i sound like a christian who studies the word.

2 Timothy 2:15 - "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".

according to the word, I don't have to tithe.

There is only one area where tithing was commanded in the bible - the three tithes that the israelites had to pay. Not only I'm I not under the "Law" as given to the Israelites, I'm not even israeli.

My broda, if u are not isreali. Why do you believe in d existence of Jesus Christ or is Jesus a Nigerian?!

I thot I was the only one thinking the same ooo.

what does not being israeli have to do with believing in Jesus.

I'm not British, but I believe in the existence of George IV (he was king during the American Revolution).

Allonym,

You are now denying any ties with Isreal, but you want to share in the covenant of promise that God made with their father Abraham -through Christ.

We, non jews only partake in the Abrahamic covenant through the seed of Abraham who is Christ.

i'm not partaking in any covenant that was made with abraham. I am from a people which at the time of Jesus would be considered gentiles. Since Jesus intended his message for jews and gentiles alike, I pick up my connection from where Jesus left it on this earth.

Therefore you are not in covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or Jesus. Do not be decieved.

Jesu died to make the Jews and the gentiles one so that they can both enjoy the blessing of Abraham through christ.

I know you have not studied this scripture before:

Gal 3:7-16

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham...   for, The just shall live by faith... 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

so, according to what you just posted - I get the blessings that were promised to abraham, without any obligations on my part other than a belief in Jesus.

Do I have to pay my tithe to a church? What if I choose to donate it to Tsunami, Hurricane Katrina or any other charity cause?

Tithe is not a Charity thing, it's simply a commandment and must be paid to the Church. To obey or not is simply your decision

true talk bro.

it is not a commandment!

There are only ten commandments - thou shall tithe is not one of them

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This is also a commandment. It's the greatest commandment as a matter of fact. But it's not one of the 10 commandments. So what are you saying?

Well, like I've asked before, show me in the bible where it "commands" me to tithe. If it is such an important command, surely it would be clearly spelled out and there would be no way I could refute it right?

Well allonym it is said in Bible,but i can't remember the place.It is not a command,it IS OPTIONAL, since you are a christian you need to pay your tithe so that God's will be flowing like a river into your pocket.ok?
And you know tithe is used to take care ov the church ov God.you need to pay so that the church willbe marshing on.

if my church collects a building fund, and funds for whatever it needs, then I don't need to pay tithes to support it. I doubt not paying tithes will stop me from recieving God's blessing. If I'm down to $100, and I need to pay a $80 and buy food to eat that week and have money to take the bus to school, guess what, I'm paying $0 in tithes that Sunday.

Not paying your tithes will not stop God's blessings to you.But is good to pay.
Let me this story with you.
There was a man who was not paying his tithes,he was propering in his business,but every either him or any of his must be admitted in hospital.

let me tell you a story

there was a guy who went to college and as typical college students, he had little money. Instead of giving the little money he had to the church as tithes, he kept it to feed himself. This student rarely gets sick and for the most part has met with success in his career.

And by the way does Bill Gates pay "tithes"? Or Richard Branson?

Nigerians have been brainwashed for so long into believing that God is man. Is only NEPA that cut off their supply if you don't pay so will God stop protecting you if you don't pay what people are forcing you to pay.

The way most of these pastors talk/preach tithe clearly shows the money is their main source of livelihood. If i am the president i will outlaw the payment of tithes and some unnecessary levies in churches and i will see if we will still have as many churches as we have now.

Most people have now made tithe a "kalo-kalo" where they will invest 10% to get (100000000000000000000000000000%) unrealistic profit.

Why must they(pastors and their croonies) say that people must give God 10% of their moeny when in actual fact they are the one that will appropriate the moeny at the end of the day, i see it as 419ing the gullible church goers. For God's sake (pastors) stop deceiving people into parting with 10% of hard-earned meager wages.


Aliko Dangote is Nigeria's Bill Gates, he is a muslim and i doubt if he is giving 10% of his income to an imam/pastor every month, how many tithe paying Christians can match his achievements. Is God not with him too?

In Russia, China, and some other communist countries they don't even believe in God but still they live better than us here, the secret is heaven help those who help themselves, that's why you don't get free food if you don't work.

joftech:

The way most of these pastors talk/preach tithe clearly shows the money is their main source of livelihood. If i am the president i will outlaw the payment of tithes and some unnecessary levies in churches and i will see if we will still have as many churches as we have now.

That's why you will never be president. Have u ever heard of any man trying to change God's ways prevailing?

joftech:

Why must they(pastors and their croonies) say that people must give God 10% of their moeny when in actual fact they are the one that will appropriate the moeny at the end of the day, i see it as 419ing the gullible church goers. For God's sake (pastors) stop deceiving people into parting with 10% of hard-earned meager wages.

Of course the money is meant for the pastors. It's more like their salaries. Who else wants to spend it? Or do u expect God to come down from heaven to spend your money (the tithe u pay)? They are the representatives of God/Christ here (not minding the fake ones these days anyway).
Numbers 18:28 - "Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest."

Though we understand the fact that there are so many fake pastors these days. So many of those who were not called have decided to turn the church to their business center. Those, we shall leave for God to judge.
However, that should not stop us from paying our tithes to God. Not paying tithe is more or less like robbing God. Malachi 3:8 - Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings..   

Talking of the rich men of the world who do not pay tithes, note that not everyone of them is a believer. But for those of us who know the right thing (the truth) and are not doing it, God will definitely do justice. Moreover, these richmen we're talking about only enjoy the earthly riches.

A man once gave a testimony/revelation of what God showed him in a vision. He said he was transcendeded to heaven and God showed him his own apartment there. He said, admist other great mansions, his own was just an uncompleted building. Then he started questioning God why his own house wasnt as well-furnished as others despite the extent to which he faithfully served HIM. Then the man said God told him that it was because he never paid his tithe.

Did the apostle Peter collect "tithes" from anyone? Did Paul? Did James? Did John? Did Stephen?

Who in the New Testament collected "tithes " from anyone? Do you know that the apostle Paul even once worked as a tent maker to support himself? Why did he not collect "tithes" instead.

Regarding the man who said he saw a vision and he had an uncompleted building because he did not "pay tithes", the thing is so unscriptural in too many respects it is almost not worth responding to. But for the purpose of education, from the time of Jesus' death through the apostolic era until much later when Christianity was institutionalised officially (hundreds of years) no one was required to pay "tithes" as a Christian obligation; it was simply not a doctrine of the Christian church. The idea of "tithes" was revived when the State and the Church became entangled. Do you then think that all the saints/christians who did not pay tithes in that period but some of who suffered great persecution will get a worse deal in God's kingdom than "tithe payers"? Is there anywhere in the Bible that suggests that kind of thing?

It's a pity that most people on this thread don't really know what (Christianity) they are practising. Titihing is another way in which the royal families (British monarchy) enforce the collection of tax on their subjects(British) during the days when the head of the Anglican church used to be Kings and Queens.

That's why you will never be president. Have u ever heard of any man trying to change God's ways prevailing?

You are so ignorant about world politics. If i want to be the president i will surely become the president because i will it in my heart, besides God is also on my side. God himself know that what i want to do is legal to him (am reducing the burdens on his creations).

goodguy:

A man once gave a testimony/revelation of what God showed him in a vision. He said he was transcendeded to heaven and God showed him his own apartment there. He said, admist other great mansions, his own was just an uncompleted building. Then he started questioning God why his own house wasnt as well-furnished as others despite the extent to which he faithfully served HIM. Then the man said God told him that it was because he never paid his tithe.

Lucky me I never have visions like that. I'm glad I can still have a home in heaven w/o being required to pay tithes. Poor guy!

How do we know that is God that showed him that vision. Some people dream their thoughts and the term this a direct conversation with God no wonder we have so many foolish prophesy in the land.

And for pastors claiming to hearing from God everyday won't it be nice if they can give us all the hotline so we won't all be having to go through them, i know some will consider it revealing their trade secrets but we all need it.

I see that those of you opposing me actually didn't attack me where I pointed out where tithing is necessary [Malachi 3:8] and that it is payable to the pastor [Numbers 18:28]. 

Enigma:

Did the apostle Peter collect "tithes" from anyone? Did Paul? Did James? Did John? Did Stephen?
Who in the New Testament collected "tithes " from anyone? Do you know that the apostle Paul even once worked as a tent maker to support himself? Why did he not collect "tithes" instead.

These people you mentioned were not pastors. They only preached the gospel. (Not everyone that preaches the gospel is a pastor). Name one PRIEST in the Bible and I will show you a man who collected tithes.

Enigma:

Regarding the man who said he saw a vision and he had an uncompleted building because he did not "pay tithes", the thing is so unscriptural in too many respects it is almost not worth responding to.

Even if you'd responded, I doubt if it'll be worth reading. For God's sake, it was a vision he saw. Must a vision be scriptural? If a man claims to see a vision of 10 people dying tomorrow, it's not in any way scriptural, but it's still a vision.

Enigma:

no one was required to pay "tithes" as a Christian obligation; it was simply not a doctrine of the Christian church.

I guess you don't read your Bible. By not paying your tithes, you are robbing God. [Malachi 3: 8].

Concerning the vision, whether you believe the story or not does not change the fact the man actually did see the vision and the content thereof. It's a freeworld, you choose to believe whatever you want to.

My comments also apply to joftech.

joftech:

You are so ignorant about world politics.

Thank you.

joftech:

If i want to be the president i will surely become the president because i will it in my heart, besides God is also on my side. God himself know that what i want to do is legal to him (am reducing the burdens on his creations).

I really don't think God will be on your side, knowing that you will outlaw the payment of tithes in churches if he allows you become president.

goodguy:

I see that those of you opposing me actually didn't attack me where I pointed out where tithing is necessary [Malachi 3:8] and that it is payable to the pastor [Numbers 18:28].

Sorry, didn't mean to let you get away. Your scripture quotations only applied to the Israelites in the Old Testament. Tithing has NEVER been commanded of Christians in the bible.