Akanbi_edu:

Africans are too emotional.

Funny how people think they just get respected for doing nothing. Respect is earned!

Thank you very much. That's exactly what was going through my head as i read through this thread. If you want respect, then earn it.If blacks don't travel to western countries, will all this happen? NO! If we put tribalism aside and unite as one to take drastic action against those armed robbers in government, would we still be talking about looted funds? NO! We Africans are so bloody irrational,sentimental,religious and emotional.Perhaps we might out grow all these as they remain a big chunk of our Achilles heel! ! !

Honestly I do not know where to start, but it breaks my heart to see that many Nigerians are so so ignorant of African history and ethnic composition.
First of all, let everybody know that the North Africans are Berbers and not Arabs.
Ghaddafi is not Arab and has always showed that in his mode of dressing.
There are many Berbers who are black skinned. In fact the Kanuri people of Borno are reffered to as BareBari by the Hausas because they are originally Berbers. BareBari simply means Berbers in Hausa.

The idea that Arabs overran North Africa in the name of religion is not true.
Before the coming of Islam, the North Africans practice a form of strictly monotheist Christianity (no trinity). With the coming of Islam many of them converted to Islam because of the similarities it has with their religion and difference it has with the type of christianity practised in Europe. Many of the Muslims that conquered parts of Europe especially Spain where black skinned. The commander of the Army was a man called Tariq Bin Ziyad was also black. The place called Gibraltar in Spain was named after him. It was actually JabalTariq which means mount Tariq.

Talking about slavery, I believe every race has practised slavery; blacks, arabs, europeans et.c

What the Europeans are guilty of is not just slavery but the act of racializing slavery. Justifying that black people are suppose to be the only ones to be taken as slaves and even going ahead to import heresy into the bible to justify it.

Having said that I still believe Ghaddafi is a crazy man who has rule over a country of less than 7 million people and thinks he can rule the whole of Africa. But that does not stop him from being African.

For those who want to know more about the true (Black skinned) Arabs plese check the following blog http://savethetruearabs..com/

IG:

Honestly I do not know where to start, but it breaks my heart to see that many Nigerians are so so ignorant of African history and ethnic composition.
First of all, let everybody know that the North Africans are Berbers and not Arabs.
Ghaddafi is not Arab and has always showed that in his mode of dressing.
There are many Berbers who are black skinned. In fact the Kanuri people of Borno are reffered to as BareBari by the Hausas because they are originally Berbers. BareBari simply means Berbers in Hausa.

The idea that Arabs overran North Africa in the name of religion is not true.
Before the coming of Islam, the North Africans practice a form of strictly monotheist Christianity (no trinity). With the coming of Islam many of them converted to Islam because of the similarities it has with their religion and difference it has with the type of christianity practised in Europe. Many of the Muslims that conquered parts of Europe especially Spain where black skinned. The commander of the Army was a man called Tariq Bin Ziyad was also black. The place called Gibraltar in Spain was named after him. It was actually JabalTariq which means mount Tariq.

Talking about slavery, I believe every race has practised slavery; blacks, arabs, europeans et.c

What the Europeans are guilty of is not just slavery but the act of racializing slavery. Justifying that black people are suppose to be the only ones to be taken as slaves and even going ahead to import heresy into the bible to justify it.

Having said that I still believe Ghaddafi is a crazy man who has rule over a country of less than 7 million people and thinks he can rule the whole of Africa. But that does not stop him from being African.

For those who want to know more about the true (Black skinned) Arabs plese check the following blog http://savethetruearabs..com/

Any wise person will know that what you posted has bias and propaganda sprinkled all over it. Is Libya and other North African countries in the Arab league? Yes, Berbers is just a name to fool you with. What Egyptians practiced has nothing to do with Christianity and in fact wasn't monotheistic in any sense. Stop spreading propaganda.!! What you have in North Africa now are Arabs and Moors (Blacks/Arabs) and that was a product of invasions that reached Mali and Northern Nigeria. Will you kindly tell me why their TV stations in North Africa doesn't like showing Blacks speaking their languages? They must speak Arabic. Why? Does that sound like an indigenous act or that of colonial invaders? Negro take a Logic class.

@9jaganja,

Thanks you. I have nothing more to add to your solid reply IG's post. The North Africans can call themselves what they want, but they are not real Africans. They are Arabs and they mostly think they are superior to blacks anywhere they find themselves. As if I'm not a graduate of History too North Africa was originally populated by blacks before the Arabs came over centuries ago. Hannibal, the enemy of the Roman Empire was black but he is portrayed by Western Historians as an Arabic white skinned man. If the current North African population are really Africans, why do they hate their dark skinned African brethren? Hmn.


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Redman44:

@9jaganja,

Thanks you. I have nothing more to add to your solid reply IG's post. The North Africans can call themselves what they want, but they are not real Africans. They are Arabs and they mostly think they are superior to blacks anywhere they find themselves. As if I'm not a graduate of History too North Africa was originally populated by blacks before the Arabs came over centuries ago. Hannibal, the enemy of the Roman Empire was black but he is portrayed by Western Historians as an Arabic white skinned man. If the current North African population are really Africans, why do they hate their dark skinned African brethren? Hmn.


www.vibes-extra..com

Thanks and Hannibal got betrayed too but the "berbers" didn't want to admit that they the Arabs, have a long history of betraying Africa in the Europe, Africa and Arab world triangle. They quickly supported the lie that Hannibal was an Arab so as not to look like betrayals. Carthage never surrendered; it was divided over whether to support Hannibal in conquering Rome or to leave him alone. Even without support, Hannibal left a warrior's scar on rome to the extent that rome started bidding for his head.

9jaganja:

Any wise person will know that what you posted has bias and propaganda sprinkled all over it. Is Libya and other North African countries in the Arab league? Yes, Berbers is just a name to fool you with. What Egyptians practiced has nothing to do with Christianity and in fact wasn't monotheistic in any sense. Stop spreading propaganda.!! What you have in North Africa now are Arabs and Moors (Blacks/Arabs) and that was a product of invasions that reached Mali and Northern Nigeria. Will you kindly tell me why their TV stations in North Africa doesn't like showing Blacks speaking their languages? They must speak Arabic. Why? Does that sound like an indigenous act or that of colonial invaders? Negro take a Logic class.

@9jaganja, I never said the light skinned Berbers are not racist. I am trying to let you guys know that Berbers are not Arabs, same way as the Turks and Iranians are not Arabs. Arabic has became the lingua franca of North Africa but the indigenous language of the Berbers is still very much alive. Those countries may be in the Arab league because of the Arabic influence in the region.

I am not just talking on hearsay, I came from a part of Nigeria that has ruled over many parts of North Africa in the past. Yes, black people ruled over many of those light skinned Berbers that you think are Arabs. If you have been to the North you may have come across light skinned Berbers begging on the streets. They know they are not Arabs, the Arabs know they are not Arabs.

@9jaganja, @Redman44, let me help you do a little bit of reading about the Berbers

Berbers are the indigenous peoples  of North Africa west of the Nile Valley. They are discontinuously distributed from the Atlantic to the Siwa oasis, in Egypt, and from the Mediterranean to the Niger River. Historically they spoke various Berber languages, which together form a branch of the Afro-Asiatic language family. Today many of them speak Darija and also French in the Maghreb, due to the French colonization of the Maghreb, and especially Spanish in Morocco. Today most Berber-speaking people live in Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia.[1][2]

Many Berbers call themselves some variant of the word Imazighen (singular: Amazigh), possibly meaning "free people" or "free and noble men"[1](the word has probably an ancient parallel in the Roman name for some of the Berbers, "Mazices".

The best known of the ancient Berbers were the Roman author Apuleius, Saint Augustine of Hippo, and the Roman general Lusius Quietus, who was instrumental in defeating the major Jewish revolt of 115–117. Famous Berbers of the Middle Ages included Tariq ibn Ziyad, a general who conquered Hispania; Abbas Ibn Firnas, a prolific inventor and early pioneer in aviation; Ibn Battuta, a medieval explorer who traveled the longest known distances in pre-modern times; and Estevanico, an early explorer of the Americas. Well-known modern Berbers include Zinedine Zidane, a French-born international footba

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people

Talking about Africa being originally fully black, you should know that the whole world used to be inhabited by black people. I think we need to do a little bit of reading and researching outside the conventional knowledge we were taught in school.

The reason why light skinned North Africans hate blacks is ignorance, the same reason why different ethnic groups in Nigeria take arms against one another or protestants and catholics kill each other in Northern Ireland.

Some people see this lunatic as some kind of hero. As if "standing up to the West" whatever the hell that means, is the whole point to life as an African. This guy could murder a black man in cold blood, turn around and call America the devil, and some of my fellow blacks would applaud him and call him a hero.

Mental slavery indeed.

IG:

Honestly I do not know where to start, but it breaks my heart to see that many Nigerians are so so ignorant of African history and ethnic composition.
First of all, let everybody know that the North Africans are Berbers and not Arabs.
Ghaddafi is not Arab and has always showed that in his mode of dressing.
There are many Berbers who are black skinned. In fact the Kanuri people of Borno are reffered to as BareBari by the Hausas because they are originally Berbers. BareBari simply means Berbers in Hausa.
The idea that Arabs overran North Africa in the name of religion is not true.
Before the coming of Islam, the North Africans practice a form of strictly monotheist Christianity (no trinity). With the coming of Islam many of them converted to Islam because of the similarities it has with their religion and difference it has with the type of christianity practised in Europe. Many of the Muslims that conquered parts of Europe especially Spain where black skinned. The commander of the Army was a man called Tariq Bin Ziyad was also black. The place called Gibraltar in Spain was named after him. It was actually JabalTariq which means mount Tariq.

Talking about slavery, I believe every race has practised slavery; blacks, arabs, europeans et.c

What the Europeans are guilty of is not just slavery but the act of racializing slavery. Justifying that black people are suppose to be the only ones to be taken as slaves and even going ahead to import heresy into the bible to justify it.

Having said that I still believe Ghaddafi is a crazy man who has rule over a country of less than 7 million people and thinks he can rule the whole of Africa. But that does not stop him from being African.

For those who want to know more about the true (Black skinned) Arabs plese check the following blog http://savethetruearabs..com/

To say that all north africans are berbers is just like saying all europeans are english, SOME north africans are berbers but they are mainly concentrated in the north west region of north africa, we have black african people who were the original inhabitants of countries like Egypt and Sudan who were conquered and subjugated by arab invaders just like the berbers of north west africa were.

The berbers as far as I know are mixed heritage people whose ancestry is mainly european, having said that they are a conquered people just like the nubians, dinkas and nuer people of sudan and egypt.

I agree that the arabs did not overrun north africa in the name of religion alone, they were imperialists and they were intent on expanding their empire by imposing their culture, language and religion on as many people as they could conquer - and they succeeded - that is why north african countries have had their indigenous languages, culture and religion almost wiiped out by the arab invaders.

To say that the indigenous north african people converted to islam willingly is a complete fallacy - the arabs are a violent and cruel people by nature - look at how they treat their women - do they appear to you like the type of people that would treat people that they have conquered with any humanity?  Please stop lying to yourself - every people that were on the receiving end of arab domination were treated brutally, the mindset of the arab invader was that the conquered people had to accept islam or die - this is why the christian sudanese people continue to be persecuted at the hands of the minority arab muslims of northern sudan.

You say that europeans are guilty of racialising slavery - if what you say is true please answer the following:

why do arabs refer to black africans as "abeed" which means black slave?

why do arabs practice colour coded discrimination in their respective countries?

why has the mixed race arab elite of Sudan conducted an ethnic cleansing programme against the indigenous Sudanese people?

I think to dismiss Gadaffi as a crazy old fool is to make a serious mistake, this is the same way Hitler was dismissed as an unhinged megalomaniac until he succeeded in annexing Poland, France, Belgium and the rest of europe.
Gadaffi's desperation to control the entire african continent could make him sign a pact with the west in order to realise his ambtion to arabise the entire african contient.

Gadaffi is not as independent as people like to think, Libya was economically isolated for many years by europe and america because of his clashes with the US govt in the 80's, in a bid to weaken him and bring him to his knees the west imposed draconian trade embargoes against his country.  In addition the US govt and europe ganged up against him and framed him with the Lockerbie bombing which he had nothign to do with, that was done in order to punish him for trying to stand up to them.  In order to end the years of economic isolation Gadaffi agreed to take the rap for Lockerbie and pay the victims relatives £2.7 billion in compensation it was only after he had done this that he was allowed back into the international community to trade with the west.

The one thing I will give him though is how much he has done for his people, Libyans have one of the highest standards of living in africa, unlike these degenerate lowlifes we have as leaders in Nigeria, he has used his country's oil revenue to modernise his country, in a space of less than 40 years he has succeeded in elevating the living standards of his people by way of urbanization and developmentatl projets.  Unlike the hopeless criminals that we have in Nigerian he has proven himself to be a true leader and lover of his people by introducing free or subsidised health, education and housing for his people, in addition food is easily available and affordable, therefore by keeping his people happy he is able to retain his grip on power without fear of being overthrown by external forces.

cap28:

To say that all north africans are berbers is just like saying all europeans are english, SOME north africans are berbers but they are mainly concentrated in the north west region of north africa, we have black african people who were the original inhabitants of countries like Egypt and Sudan who were conquered and subjugated by arab invaders just like the berbers of north west africa were.

I totally agree, not all not Africans are Berbers but the point I am trying to make is that Ghaddafi is a Berber and Berbers are not Arabs.

cap28:

You say that europeans are guilty of racialising slavery - if what you say is true please answer the following:
why do arabs refer to black africans as "abeed" which means black slave?

why do arabs practice colour coded discrimination in their respective countries?

why has the mixed race arab elite of Sudan conducted an ethnic cleansing programme against the indigenous Sudanese people?

Arabs called black africans "Abeed". Abeed is a derogatory word and that tells you how racist the Arabs are. I never said that the Arabs or Light skinned Berbers are not racist.

Yes, unlike any other group that practiced slavery, Europeans indulged in enslvaing black people only. And have built their civilizations almost entirely on slave labour whereas other races that indulge in slavery never restricted themselves to blacks only. For those who know Kano use to be an important slave market in the past. And white slaves use to bring in a lot of cash.

do a little reading here
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&bookkey=3612927

Ethnic cleansing in Sudan is what BBC and CNN tell you. The truth is that there is a long standing problem between Nomads and Farmers just like the recurring problem between Fulani nomads and mainly Hausa farmers in Northern Nigeria.

http://www.sudan.net/news/press/postedr/316.shtml

http://www.arabmediawatch.com/amw/CountryBackgrounds/Sudan/DarfurisnotasblackandwhiteasblackvsArab/tabid/162/Default.aspx

cap28:

I think to dismiss Gadaffi as a crazy old fool is to make a serious mistake, this is the same way Hitler was dismissed as an unhinged megalomaniac until he succeeded in annexing Poland, France, Belgium and the rest of europe.
Gadaffi's desperation to control the entire african continent could make him sign a pact with the west in order to realise his ambtion to arabise the entire african contient.

Hitler was a charming young man that gave a lot of people hope when they had very little of it. In contrast Ghaddafi is a senile old man that is becoming hopeless each and every day. The whole of Libya has less than 7 million people, thats less than half the population of Lagos state. In essence Tunde Fashola is managing a state that is bigger than Libya in population and is just a governor in Nigeria. That tells you how unrealistic Ghaddafi's dream is.

Talking about Darfur, I am going to quote from an article titled "SEVEN MYTHS HINDERING PEACE IN DARFUR" published by The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council. I have already posted a link to the article in my last post.

Myth 1: THE DARFUR CONFLICT IS BECAUSE OF MARGINALISATION

"The conflict in Darfur has nothing to do with marginalisation or the inequitable distribution of wealth."
Anti-Government human rights Activist Ghazi Suleiman

Myth 2: GENOCIDE IS TAKING PLACE IN DARFUR

"Our teams have not seen evidence of the deliberate intention to kill people of a specific group."
Médecins Sans Frontières

Myth 3: THE GOVERNMENT IS DENYING AID ACCESS TO DARFUR

"It is strange to see that there is still the notion, that, we're completely blocked from accessing Darfur"
UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Mr Jan Egeland


Myth 4: THE DARFUR CONFLICT IS RACIAL

"Darfur's Arabs are black, indigenous, African Muslims - just like Darfur's non-Arabs."
Anti-Government human rights activist Alex de Waal

Myth 5: THERE IS A POLICY OF ETHNIC CLEANSING IN DARFUR

"there is no systematic target - targeting one ethnic group or another one."
Médecins Sans Frontières

Myth 6: THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE "supporter of APC"

"[the supporter of APC are] a monster that nobody seems to be able to control."
UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Mr Jan Egeland

Myth 7: ALL MILITIAS IN DARFUR CAN BE DISARMED IN 30 DAYS

"This is going to take, in my view, 18 months to two years to conclude the first phase"
US State Department official Charles Snyder

IG:

Honestly I do not know where to start, but it breaks my heart to see that many Nigerians are so so ignorant of African history and ethnic composition.
First of all, let everybody know that the North Africans are Berbers and not Arabs.
Ghaddafi is not Arab and has always showed that in his mode of dressing.
There are many Berbers who are black skinned. In fact the Kanuri people of Borno are reffered to as BareBari by the Hausas because they are originally Berbers. BareBari simply means Berbers in Hausa.

The idea that Arabs overran North Africa in the name of religion is not true.
Before the coming of Islam, the North Africans practice a form of strictly monotheist Christianity (no trinity). With the coming of Islam many of them converted to Islam because of the similarities it has with their religion and difference it has with the type of christianity practised in Europe. Many of the Muslims that conquered parts of Europe especially Spain where black skinned. The commander of the Army was a man called Tariq Bin Ziyad was also black. The place called Gibraltar in Spain was named after him. It was actually JabalTariq which means mount Tariq.

Talking about slavery, I believe every race has practised slavery; blacks, arabs, europeans et.c

9jaganja:

Yes, Berbers is just a name to fool you with. What Egyptians practiced has nothing to do with Christianity and in fact wasn't monotheistic in any sense. Stop spreading propaganda.!! What you have in North Africa now are Arabs and Moors (Blacks/Arabs) and that was a product of invasions that reached Mali and Northern Nigeria. Will you kindly tell me why their TV stations in North Africa doesn't like showing Blacks speaking their languages? They must speak Arabic. Why? Does that sound like an indigenous act or that of colonial invaders? Negro take a Logic class.

you are both right even though you dont know this.


blacks were also native to arab lands [ie the middle east] before.

so it wasnt only in africa that black africans had interactions with arabs.

tpiah:


you are both right even though you dont know this.


blacks were also native to arab lands [ie the middle east] before.

so it wasnt only in africa that black africans had interactions with arabs.

Very correct, one of such blacks from Saudi Arabia has been writing about that for some time now. Tariq Berry authored the book "The Unknown Arabs". You can check his website here http://savethetruearabs.com/

and his blog here http://savethetruearabs..com/

^^i was reading up on black arabs the other day.


and most black africans do have cultural links to both north africa and the middle east.

not to mention traditional legends.

People here dont even know the ethnic composition of Africa or the Middle East

I need to make a few points clear here

1. Persians and Turks in the Middle East are not Arabs

2. Berbers are not Arabs neither are they Europeans. They are Africans who look "whitish/white"(Thier genetic makeup is an African one)

3. Ghaddafi is not an Arab

4. People around the world dislike ignorant and poor people.

5. "Blacks" with ethnic divisions kill each other all the time and have been doing so since the start of human history. Whites kill whites, Asians kill Asians etc.

6. Every group of people in human history has practised slavery.

7. Whites have been enslaved by foreigners and sold off their land into slavery in foreign lands by the millions and auctioned off in slave houses like animals on the coasts of North Africa (Read up on the barbary slave trades)

8. People here should stop looking for a way to claim to be victims. its a waste of your time and everybodyelses

IG:

I totally agree, not all not Africans are Berbers but the point I am trying to make is that Ghaddafi is a Berber and Berbers are not Arabs.

Arabs called black africans "Abeed". Abeed is a derogatory word and that tells you how racist the Arabs are. I never said that the Arabs or Light skinned Berbers are not racist.

Yes, unlike any other group that practiced slavery, Europeans indulged in enslvaing black people only. And have built their civilizations almost entirely on slave labour whereas other races that indulge in slavery never restricted themselves to blacks only. For those who know Kano use to be an important slave market in the past. And white slaves use to bring in a lot of cash.

do a little reading here
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&bookkey=3612927

Ethnic cleansing in Sudan is what BBC and CNN tell you. The truth is that there is a long standing problem between Nomads and Farmers just like the recurring problem between Fulani nomads and mainly Hausa farmers in Northern Nigeria.

http://www.sudan.net/news/press/postedr/316.shtml

http://www.arabmediawatch.com/amw/CountryBackgrounds/Sudan/DarfurisnotasblackandwhiteasblackvsArab/tabid/162/Default.aspx
Hitler was a charming young man that gave a lot of people hope when they had very little of it. In contrast Ghaddafi is a senile old man that is becoming hopeless each and every day. The whole of Libya has less than 7 million people, thats less than half the population of Lagos state. In essence Tunde Fashola is managing a state that is bigger than Libya in population and is just a governor in Nigeria. That tells you how unrealistic Ghaddafi's dream is.

Do you know that most people dont even know that they used to sell white slaves in Northern Africa before? They used to enslave whites and take them and sell them to distant lands.

People just want to see themselves as victims. All this things with regards to ethnic dislike and problems between settlers and indigenous people happen everywhere in the world. people need to stop being cry babies on here

@tipia, @sage, couldn't agree more.

IG:

I totally agree, not all not Africans are Berbers but the point I am trying to make is that Ghaddafi is a Berber and Berbers are not Arabs.

Actually Gaddafi is a Bedouin (a nomadic arab) not a Berber and I don't think he regards himself as an african, despite his self proclaimed title of King of Kings of africa.

Arabs do not regard themselves as africans they refer to themselves as arab muslims.
Even the converted black african muslims who live in countries which are under arab control do not regard themselves as africans instead they call themselves arabs despite being pure black africans, this is what arab indoctrination has done to these people.

You've got to understand that these arabs invaded africa, enslaved its indigenous people and forced their language and religion on its conquered people, they even managed to encroach into parts of southern nigeria - How then do you expect these same people to turn around and respect us?
The only reason they did not succeed in arabising the entire west african region is because the european slave traders and their christian missionaries beat them to it.

The thing I can't understand is that some people think that arabs are friends of black african people - this is the same way many black africans keep deceiving themselves into beleiving that whites are also our friends despite glaring evidence to the contrary.  The fact that the arabs and then europeans invaded africa, enslaved our  people, appropriated our land and imposed their languages on us doesnt seem to evoke any feeling of indignation or outrage in our minds.  We seem so indifferent to the fact that we are actually victims of these two imperialist aggressors.

Ethnic cleansing in Sudan is what BBC and CNN tell you. The truth is that there is a long standing problem between Nomads and Farmers just like the recurring problem between Fulani nomads and mainly Hausa farmers in Northern Nigeria.

http://www.sudan.net/news/press/postedr/316.shtml

I don't rely on BBC or CNN for news as most of the time its biased propaganda - I've read several books written by southern sudanese people who have lived under the tyrannical rule of Omar Bashir and their stories are absolutely horrendous, violence, killings and brutalisation of southern sudanese people are  regarded as the norm and anyone who speaks out against their persecution is murdered.
You should read a book called Diary of a Lost Girl by Naima Bint Harith aka Kola Boof whose own parents were murdered in front of her because her father spoke out against the way arab men enslaved black african boys, kept them in chains and made them sleep out in the back yard with their animals. 

Hitler was a charming young man that gave a lot of people hope when they had very little of it. In contrast Ghaddafi is a senile old man that is becoming hopeless each and every day. The whole of Libya has less than 7 million people, thats less than half the population of Lagos state. In essence Tunde Fashola is managing a state that is bigger than Libya in population and is just a governor in Nigeria. That tells you how unrealistic Ghaddafi's dream is.

Gadaffi is an arab expansionist who is backed and supported by the rest of the arab world, the fact that the population of his country is only 7 million does not mean that he is not a power broker in africa, with the backing of his arab brothers he is more powerful than Tunde Fashola who is nothing more than a western puppet.
What vision or goal do the likes of Fashola have for their people? Gadaffi and his fellow OIC members are united in their goal to arabise the entire african continent.

cap28:

Actually Gaddafi is a Bedouin (a nomadic arab) not a Berber and I don't think he regards himself as an african, despite his self proclaimed title of King of Kings of africa.

Actually Bedouin is a term used to describe desert dwellers not necessarily Arabs. We have ethnic groups in Nigeria that are Bedouins, some have retained a variation of the name. Examples are Bade and Badawi, you can find them in Borno and Yobe states and can be considered to be branches or related to the Kanuris also known as Barebari (Berbers in Hausa).

cap28:

You've got to understand that these arabs invaded africa, enslaved its indigenous people and forced their language and religion on its conquered people, they even managed to encroach into parts of southern nigeria

I am a little bit lost here, when did Arabs encroach into Southern Nigeria?

cap28:

I don't rely on BBC or CNN for news as most of the time its biased propaganda - I've read several books written by southern sudanese people who have lived under the tyrannical rule of Omar Bashir and their stories are absolutely horrendous, violence, killings and brutalisation of southern sudanese people are  regarded as the norm and anyone who speaks out against their persecution is murdered.
You should read a book called Diary of a Lost Girl by Naima Bint Harith aka Kola Boof whose own parents were murdered in front of her because her father spoke out against the way arab men enslaved black african boys, kept them in chains and made them sleep out in the back yard with their animals. 

Actually we are talking about Darfur here not Southern Sudan. So I think you are reading the wrong books. Southern Sudan has had autonomy for some time now and may end up being an independent state if they win a referendum. Darfur is more to the west and shares a border with Chad republic. I think the problem is that maybe you have never came across a Sudanese and talked one on one. I have.

cap28:

Gadaffi is an arab expansionist who is backed and supported by the rest of the arab world, the fact that the population of his country is only 7 million does not mean that he is not a power broker in africa, with the backing of his arab brothers he is more powerful than Tunde Fashola who is nothing more than a western puppet.
What vision or goal do the likes of Fashola have for their people?

I think the issue of Ghaddafi not being Arab has been resolved. If you still don't know the difference between Arabs and Berbers then I am afraid there is nothing I can do help.

cap28:

Gadaffi and his fellow OIC members are united in their goal to arabise the entire african continent.

Again confusing Arabic and Islam. OIC is the Organization of Islamic Countries. It's about Islam and not Arabic. Being Muslim doesn't mean being Arab. Malaysians, Indonesians, Turks and Iranians are almost entirely Muslims but they are not Arabs.

Please guys, lets understand things before we debate on them.

That Africans were in the middle east first, no doubt, that they established there, no doubt. But don't relate cultural and linguistic terms to think Africans can trace their ancestry to middle east. That is a fallacy. Majority of the stories and legends they have in the middle east are from Africa. Even in Europe. That doesn't mean we can trace our ancestral paths to Europe or Middle East. Let's be logical. The story of Tupac cuts through borders all over the world. That doesn't mean in future some Asians can trace their ancestry to the United States base on Tupac's story being heard. So the story of African legends spread across the world and was widely believed back then doesn't mean we have ancestral link etc, Why is Morocco in the Arab league and not African Union? Quit confusing yourself in the name of being enlightened. Blacks are Blacks but we have different cultures. I'm Yoruba but that doesn't mean I ain't black does it? "Arab" is a collective word just like Black is for us. Caucasian is a collective word but we have Celtics, We have Vandals (German) etc, Calling someone a Vandal doesn't mean that person ain't Caucasian same way calling me Yoruba doesn't mean I'm not Black. Calling them Turks, Berbers or whatever doesn't mean they ain't Arabs. Those cuntaculous cowards killing Africans up North aren't Africans they were invaders. Same way we can't call Caucasians Americans by Nativity. Stop confusing yourselves and when you read from those articles online, try evaluation before posting them up else you will make your self look like a total retard.

And if UEFA, oops, EU/NATO agree, what will African leaders like Theo Orji do with their own share in their own feudal boundaries?

@9jaganja, so you still think Turks, Persians and Berbers are Arabs. It's just unfortunate.
Try telling a Turk or an Iranian that he is Arab and see what he will do to you. It's almost like telling a Jew that he is Arab.

It baffles me how people become so stubborn in their ignorance. No wonder Ghaddafi used the phrase "ignorant Africans".

I give up.

IG:

@9jaganja, so you still think Turks, Persians and Berbers are Arabs. It's just unfortunate.
Try telling a Turk or an Iranian that he is Arab and see what he will do to you. It's almost like telling a Jew that he is Arab.

It baffles me how people become so stubborn in their ignorance. No wonder Ghaddafi used the phrase "ignorant Africans".

I give up.

Persians are mixed in case you don't know. Persians are Mongols/Africans/Caucasians (especially Greeks). I don't know why you are so ignorant to the point of accusing others of Ignorance. Try calling a bi racial kid from New York, African. Even though I identify myself as African, I know I'm not fully African so arguing with me that you are African blah blah is really not necessary. Persians know they are mixed that's why they don't identify as Arabs. And this is not about Persia. You flawed your own logic. Persia was an empire not a race of people. Persia was made of people from all over the old world (America not sure). So calling Persians Arab is ridiculous same way calling Americans whites is stoopid. As for the Turks, I'll like you to post their history here yourself and see why they belong with the Arabs. 

Noone is as ignorant as an ignorant person calling someone ignorant. Go study hard. Read hard but there is one thing you can't study for, it's called intellectual logic, you think hard to get it not read.

9jaganja:

Persians are mixed in case you don't know. Persians are Mongols/Africans/Caucasians (especially Greeks). I don't know why you are so ignorant to the point of accusing others of Ignorance. Try calling a bi racial kid from New York, African. Even though I identify myself as African, I know I'm not fully African so arguing with me that you are African blah blah is really not necessary. Persians know they are mixed that's why they don't identify as Arabs. And this is not about Persia. You flawed your own logic. Persia was an empire not a race of people. Persia was made of people from all over the old world (America not sure). So calling Persians Arab is ridiculous same way calling Americans whites is stoopid. As for the Turks, I'll like you to post their history here yourself and see why they belong with the Arabs. 

Definition of Persians goes like this: Persian people, are an ethnic group native to Iran.

9jaganja:

Noone is as ignorant as an ignorant person calling someone ignorant. Go study hard. Read hard but there is one thing you can't study for, it's called intellectual logic, you think hard to get it not read.

Logic, hmn. So you logically derived that Berbers and Persians are Arabs! Respect.

I bet you think that Afghans and Pakistanis are also Arabs . You can continue believing what you want to believe, I cannot be of any help now.

Oh I forgot, I said I give up.

IG:

Actually Bedouin is a term used to describe desert dwellers not necessarily Arabs. We have ethnic groups in Nigeria that are Bedouins, some have retained a variation of the name. Examples are Bade and Badawi, you can find them in Borno and Yobe states and can be considered to be branches or related to the Kanuris also known as Barebari (Berbers in Hausa).

You are wrong (again!) Bedouin which is derived from the arabic word "bedu" which means desert dweller, are nomadic arabs who move from one place to another on camels, they live in the desert regions of the middle east, from time to time they adopt a sedentary lifestyle and when they do you will find them in countries like Syria, Libya, Israel and Egypt NOT in northern nigeria -

The Arab Bedouins are in no way related to the Kanuri people, the  Kanuri are descendants of the kanem bornu empire which is now known as Chad,  - the Kanem people migrated east to the lake chad area and started intermarrying with the people in the area, this region is now known as Borno  in Nigeria, the Kanuri have no relationship with arabs apart from their religion islam - you are extremely confused!!!!

Berbers as I have already mentioned are mixed heritage people who migrated from the shores of the mediterranean across into north africa they are a mixture of greek, spanish and jewish again nothing to do with africans.

am a little bit lost here, when did Arabs encroach into Southern Nigeria?

When they sent their islamic missionaries to convert africans, just the same way europeans sent christian missionaries to the coastal regions of west africa.

Actually we are talking about Darfur here not Southern Sudan. So I think you are reading the wrong books. Southern Sudan has had autonomy for some time now and may end up being an independent state if they win a referendum. Darfur is more to the west and shares a border with Chad republic. I think the problem is that maybe you have never came across a Sudanese and talked one on one. I have.

Funny how  you missed out on the fact that the northern sudanese (arab controlled ) have been at war with the south (christian africans ) for over 50 years and are now only agreeing to hold a referendum to decide whether FULL autonomy should be granted to the south.  The referendum is due to take place in January 2011.

I am well aware of the Darfur conflict, which by the way is also based on the ethnic cleansing of africans by arabs.  In the dafur situation what you have are arab supporter of APC militia killing, r.aping, mutilating and enslaving black african muslims, its the same old story of arabs brutalising and wiping out indigenous africans from their ancestral land the only difference is that the dafuri people are also muslims like the northern sudanese albeit (non arab) african muslims  who have converted to islam.

I think the issue of Ghaddafi not being Arab has been resolved. If you still don't know the difference between Arabs and Berbers then I am afraid there is nothing I can do help.

Gadaffi is an arab - if you want to continue to beleive that he is a Berber its up to you.

Again confusing Arabic and Islam. OIC is the Organization of Islamic Countries. It's about Islam and not Arabic. Being Muslim doesn't mean being Arab. Malaysians, Indonesians, Turks and Iranians are almost entirely Muslims but they are not Arabs.

I'm not confusing anything here, my point is that arabs,  in their  quest to expand their territory and move southwards are using membership of the OIC as a precursor to their long term objective which is arabisation of the entire continent.  If you look at the african territories which were conquered you will find that all traces of those people's  indigenous culture has been almost wiped out and replaced with arab traditions and culture.

Please guys, lets understand things before we debate on them.

perhaps  you need to listen to your own advice

People need to understand that the Berbers are native to Africa.

The Tuareg fall into this category. They are not ARAB. Some Berber groups speak Arabic, but their ethnicity is still Berber.

cap28:

You are wrong (again!) Bedouin which is derived from the arabic word "bedu" which means desert dweller, are nomadic arabs who move from one place to another on camels, they live in the desert regions of the middle east, from time to time they adopt a sedentary lifestyle and when they do you will find them in countries like Syria, Libya, Israel and Egypt NOT in northern nigeria -

The Arab Bedouins are in no way related to the Kanuri people, the  Kanuri are descendants of the kanem bornu empire which is now known as Chad,  - the Kanem people migrated east to the lake chad area and started intermarrying with the people in the area, this region is now known as Borno  in Nigeria, the Kanuri have no relationship with arabs apart from their religion islam

I'm surprised how I always get pulled back into this discussion. But let me tell you what the 14th century Egyptian historian Al-Maqrizi said about Kanem.

The King is a wandering Bedouin. When he sits on his throne, his subjects make obeisance to him and fall on their faces. His armies, including cavalry, infantry, and porters, number 100,000. Between Aljama and Yalamlam there dwell a great many unbelievers…the king of Kanem has five minor kings under his sway. His horses are small. Kanem is a vast region through which the blessed Nile flows."

And the 12th Century Greek scholar Yaqut said

Kanem …is part of the land of the Berbers in the farthest west in the land of the Sudan. Some say that the Kanem are a people of the Sudan. At the present day there is a poet at Marrakesh in Maghrib known as al-Kanimi (the one from Kanem) whose excellent work is attested to,

And you tell me that the people of Kanem are in no way related to Berbers and have not bedouins among them.

cap28:

you are extremely confused!!!!

No I am not. I just happen to know some things you don't.

EzeUche22:

People need to understand that the Berbers are native to Africa.

The Tuareg fall into this category. They are not ARAB. Some Berber groups speak Arabic, but their ethnicity is still Berber.

Please tell them.

Gaddafi is a BERBER! He most likely does have Arab blood in his veins, but the majority of North Africans are of berber descent.

However, the misconception is that since there were so many similarities with the Arabs and Berbers, it is very hard to tell them apart. Now people who are called Arab in North Africa are not actually Arab, but they do not speak a Berber language so they see themselves as Arab now.

They classify people who are Berber by the Berber language that they speak now even though the Arab speakers in North Africa are primarily of Berber Descent, they are seen as Arabs.

cap28:

Funny how  you missed out on the fact that the northern sudanese (arab controlled ) have been at war with the south (christian africans ) for over 50 years and are now only agreeing to hold a referendum to decide whether FULL autonomy should be granted to the south.  The referendum is due to take place in January 2011.

And what has that got to do with Darfur ? You are confusing the Darfuris with the Southern Sudanis. You said you read books written by Southern Sudanese and not Darfuris.

IG:

And what has that got to do with Darfur ? You are confusing the Darfuris with the Southern Sudanis. You said you read books written by Southern Sudanese and not Darfuris.

Its got everything to do with Darfur - I am in no way confusing the conflict between north and southern sudan with what is happening between the sudanese govt and the dafuri people - can't you see that both conflicts have  a common element - ETHNIC CLEANSING OF BLACK AFRICANS BY ARAB OR MIXED RACE ARAB MILITIAS.

Why are  you differentiating between the two conflicts when  Omar al Bashir the genocidal North Sudanese leader  is behind both of them


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EzeUche22:

Gaddafi is a BERBER! He most likely does have Arab blood in his veins, but the majority of North Africans are of berber descent.

However, the misconception is that since there were so many similarities with the Arabs and Berbers, it is very hard to tell them apart. Now people who are called Arab in North Africa are not actually Arab, but they do not speak a Berber language so they see themselves as Arab now.

They classify people who are Berber by the Berber language that they speak now even though the Arab speakers in North Africa are primarily of Berber Descent, they are seen as Arabs.

I still say that Gadaffi is not a Berber but a Bedouin Arab, but lets not deviate from the real issue which is that Gadaffi is a racist arab who does not have any respect for black african people. Its time that we woke up to realise what these arabs real agenda towards black africans is.  For some strange reason it still hasnt sunk into our brains that these arabs are our enemies - I would have thought that the conflicts in Darfur and southern sudan would have been enough for us to realise that these people are a threat to the existence of black africans but it appears that we still havent woken up from our state of blissful ignorance.

IG, don't mistake Africans with light skin with Arabs. Touareg people will fall into your false category. I'm not denying there are native Africans with light skin and all that but they are not the Arab invaders we currently have in North Africa. Don't get it twisted. It's not about the Berbers, it's about you mistaking Berbers for Arabs. The real Berbers are all over Northern Nigeria and North West Africa. Libya Algeria etc, are not Berber nations. Saying Yorubas are natives of Africa and then going ahead to mistake a Yoruba for an Asian is a flaw of the worst order. Berbers are natives of Africa but the people you call Berbers are not Berbers. And Berbers are not all light skin. To mistake Gaddafi for a Berber is heavy. I will stop arguing with you that one.

Peace bro. School will be back on soon!!!