kykiej:

Well the people who did what happend in Gombe have the same hatred you are slowly and steadily developing,sooner or later,urs will reach the level of theirs.
I guess the people who tried their best to protect the woman and save her life were not muslims,since u believe we muslims have no good in us.
as for alta or what ever you wrote,well u seem to b the expert on Islam , so u would b the best person to define what that means,because i have no idea

ok hajiya ky j
I hear you
ma salaam _{according to mukina}

babyosisi:

Have you wondered why it's always the Muslim men defending multiple marriages,defending the fact that women are expected to hood up and and not drive cars,defending women not being able to have ID cards in their names, or walk down the neighborhood shop alone in sharia countries,It's the men defending the fact that men can scourge their wives and banish them until they behave.

It's always the men that tell the women what is right for them.
Any move the Muslim woman makes,she's arousing the men like they are some dogs on perpetual heat.
Even her wrists and ankles are 'visual aphrodisiacs'.

She is flogged and killed for rape and adultery while the man goes free for lack of evidence or because there were no 4 witnesses on the rape.
So basically to prove rape the man would have done it at Oyingbo market at high noon.
Let the women speak,they have a brain _{don't they}

i really pity the moslem women,but the irony of it is that MOST OF DEM SEEM 2 ENJOY BEING IN THIS BONDAGE,abi i lie?

kykiej:

Thanks alot , i am not a Muslim apologist, I am a proud Muslim woman, who know that status of a woman in Islam,[/b]despite what ever u or people like u may paste to confuse and decieve people, I have no regrets about my religion, and i pray i grow stronger in my religion everyday.
I don't know y u people bother u self so much sayin such horrible things about Islam,every Man,woman,Muslim,christain,Jew will bear their burden on the day of judgement,when the time comes,Insha Allah, we'll know who is on the right part,in the mean time,some of the people here are just accumulating unnessecary burdens,well we will all answer for ALL our deeds and words

And[b] Mrs Name, as you can see, i have not mentioned any tribes or parts of the country,but it doesntt take the brains of the rocket scientist for any Nigerian to know what "people" i am refering to.What can i say,the guilty are afraid

The reason you can even sit at a computer and type the above drivel is no thanks to the secular nature of the western style democracies that you enjoy, built on the foundation of judeo-christian priinciples.

Thanks to democracy and the secular nature of Nigeria, you can vote and be voted for, you have rights to take a man to court for statutory rape, you can own an ID, swim and drive. You have the independence to go wherever you please without a male escort, as a female you are encouraged to attend schools and insult our intelligence on the internet. You dont fear being arrested for wearing an incomplete hijab!

Please try living in TRUE Islamic nations like Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia before coming to tell us you are a proud muslim woman!

and let her also repeat her nonsense proud talks after she gets her first scourging from Alhaji bar mecca

let me repeat Mohammeds own words incase Ms proud missed the hadith.


[b]Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's apostle?" He replied, "You curse frequently are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you". The women asked, "O Allah's apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in your intelligence. Isn't it true that a women can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency in your religion." Bukhari, volume 1, #301, and vol. 3, #826: [/b]

pls mr seun try to talk to ur people to be mindful of their own so that they will not cause discrimination on this successful site.

a friend who visited this thread called me to ask me why i bother replying the so called inquiries made here. he pointed out that the posters'  inent is never the quest for knowledge about Islam, but ridicule of Islam. As usual  the Coalition for the Defamation of Islam have proved him right.

what was the original question?

why do me and women not pray togehter in the mosque?

i attempted to answer the question and the lover (not a hater) immediately spun off on a completely different tangent-hausa homosexuals.(no comments as to whether the homosexuals were  muslim or christian)

she then tried to preempt me by yakkin about how (oyb will start to post about homosexuals in christianity)
anyway, your savior said you should love your brother  as yourself (something to that effect). perhaps the recent sanctification of gay marriage is a 'parabolic' interpretation of hs words)

it then degenerated into the usual crapola on women's rights in Islam.

If as, you spuriosly claim(no suprise there), women have no rights in Islamic countries, an you kindly explain to us where bhenazzir bhutto and megawati sukharno ruled pakistan and indonesia from(Their husband's houses?)



lets read up on the rights of women in Christianity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_about_women

i will take a page from your playbook, and cherrypick the article (who says muslims can't learn from christians!the lover   is an awesome teacher!!)

The Bible and Christianity historically have been interpreted as prescribing separate gender roles, with women often being excluded from church leadership. For the first 19 or 20 centuries after the Resurrection and Ascension of Christ (according to Christian belief), institutionalized Christianity was very unfavorable to women. A gender-based hierarchy, claimed by Complementarians to be biblical, has been constructed to place woman under the man's authority—in the church, in marriage, and elsewhere.


According to Genesis, Eve, the first woman, was created out of the rib of Adam, the first man. Interpreters often consider this to indicate a natural inferiority of women within the creation story of the religion, although it bears noting in rejoinder that the world is replete with examples where an extracted component of a commodity is of greater value than the original commodity (iron, for example, is more valuable than the iron ore from which it is extracted; gasoline is of much higher value than the crude oil from which it is extracted). Thus, even on its own terms, the "Adam's rib" theory is open to question.


Biblical interpretations supporting unequal roles for women and men

There are many scriptural references that reveal distinct functions/roles between men and women at home and in the church:

The Bible endorses different functions/roles between men and women in the home. (1 Peter 3:1–6; Eph 5:22, 25; Titus 2:4; Colossians 3:18–19). In general, men are exhorted to lead with love and consideration, while women are told to submit with loving reverence

Both Paul and Peter refer to the Old Testament to justify the submission of woman to man; the creation of Eve after Adam (1 Corinthians 11:8–9) and the transgression of Eve before Adam (1 Timothy 2:12).

1Corinthians 14:34 states that women must not speak/preach in church "as also says the law" (KJV), but there is no reference in the Old Testament to support this. It is unknown which “law” the author refers to.

1Corinthians 14:35 goes on to state that "it is a shame for women to speak in the church," and that women should be taught only by their husbands. Many NT scholars have argued that a Greek particle that appears many times within Paul's writings—usually used when Paul is quoting a mistaken position and then refuting it—is used here. The particle comes directly at the beginning of 1Corinthians 14:36 and is translated "What?" in the KJV; this leads some to believe that Paul is actually quoting a prior Corinthian letter in 1Corinthians 14:34-35 and then refuting the proud Corinthian doctrine later.

Colossians 3:18–23 in particular is addressed directly to specific groups: women are to submit to the leadership of their husband, men to love their wives and not to treat them with harshness, children to respect their parents, fathers not to frustrate their children, and slaves to obey their masters.

1 Peter 3:1–6 justifies submission on the grounds that "Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord" (KJV).
Distinct-gender churches argue that Paul taught that the same principles apply in a formal church setting:

Paul addresses women in formal church settings to keep silent based on Torah law regarding female subjugation to men (1 Cor 14:34–35). However, there is debate as to how much this should be seen as Paul speaking to a specific congregation at a specific time, and whether the passage speaks directly to today's society.[23][24][25]


Women are told to learn in silence with attitudes of subjugation in church (1 Timothy 2:12–15). The word Paul uses for "silence" (hesuchia) is not a word that intimates total silence but rather refers to a quietness and an attitude that is appropriate for learning. As rabbinical students sit at the feet of the Rabbi to learn, so women are to do the same with the teachers in Ephesus (p. 90).[26]

Women are restricted from teaching and "usurping" authority over men in formal church settings (1 Timothy 2:12–15). "…to have authority over men": Paul does not use the traditional word for "authority" (exousia) but rather a word that is used only once in the New Testament, "authentein." It can be interpreted to mean to usurp authority or to "lord it over" another. Paul does not permit women to grasp the authority to teach away from those placed over the congregation and thereby usurp their authority. This simply leads to chaos and error (p. 90).[26]

Women seem not to be considered in verses that discuss the criteria for selecting bishops and deacons (Titus 1:5-, 1 Timothy 3:1–12, 14–15).
Jesus did not choose any women to be apostles. After Jesus' ascension, the apostles seem not to have considered female candidates when choosing a replacement for Judas, or when choosing seven leaders (Luke 6:13; Acts 1:14–26; Acts 6:3). Jesus had several women followers, notably Mary Magdalene, but no female apostles.

These exhortations were given to various church contexts and to traveling evangelists (Timothy, Titus) who were told to remain true to these specific teachings (removing the argument that they were cultural prescriptions), letters often circulated to all the churches, coincided (within the texts themselves) with teachings regarding family order, coincided with Torah, there is a consistency of doctrine in all letters of the NT, coincides with early church documents and traditions, and noted by Paul to be the commands of the Lord and traditions among "all the churches of God" (Areas: Corinth, Ephesus, Crete, etc.; 1 Corinthians 11:1–16; 1 Corinthians 14:33–38; 1 Timothy 3:14–15).





as to your typical yakyak about

The reason you can even sit at a computer and type the above drivel is no thanks to the secular nature of the western style democracies that you enjoy, built on the foundation of judeo-christian priinciples.  

thank you for clearing that up.i always suspected that legalising abortions, same sex marriage, (and all the other ills of western democracies ) were built on judeo christian principles. (parabolic interpretations, anyone? )

never mind that democracy was invented by idolators.

@oyb,

You're not really making any sense in this discussion. Not at all. If a topic is posted and you seek to address it but deviated midcourse to seek loopholes in Christianity, you will find a million and one of such in exactly the way you seek them.

In just the same way, there are thrice that number of loopholes one can find in Islam. . . I mean, more than thrice that number!

At the end of the day, when you read the teachings of Jesus Christ and that of Muhammad, you will find very clearly that on every point, Muslims cannot defend ths issues being raised here about Islam and Muhammad's career as prophet.

What really have you defended?

How have you defended them?

Where does your defence leave Islam?

Whether on the issue of Jihad or this one about Men and Woemn not praying together in the mosque, Muslim apologists still stand limp in their defences. Do men and women pray together in the mosques? No. Then why not? No Muslim has been able to answer the question.

Now, to go outside the ambit of this topic and seek your belly-dances is simply to invite the same things you complain about. At the end of the day, is it not true that Muslims have treated their women less humanely than you think Christians have?

Making excuses for the perennial problems Islam offers women has not produced an iota of sound reasoning from your efforts.

@ oyb

i am sure i have dealt extensively on this female issue on another thread; please see that for the answers you are looking for

@bari kade,

you have obviously NOT been reading this thread.(you've probably been cheering from the sidelines)

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-55596.32.html

i made an explanion of sorts, and the lover IMMEDIATELTLY TWISTED the topic.

PLEASE KINDLY READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE THEAD, OR TRY TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND  where i'm coming from.cheers.

@oyb,

oyb:

@bari kade,

you have obviously NOT been reading this thread.(you've probably been cheering from the sidelines)

That is a wrong assumption to make; and this quick reaction simply shows that you missed th gist of my rejoinder. Please go over it carefully, if you may.

oyb:

i made an explanion of sorts, and the lover IMMEDIATELTLY TWISTED the topic.

An explanation of sorts does not mean the same thing as offering sound answers. A deliberate effort to misconstrue Biblical teachings has not even helped your defences or explanation of sorts.

oyb:

PLEASE KINDLY READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE THEAD, OR TRY TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND where i'm coming from.cheers.

What makes you think I haven't read the thread before stating my observations? Did you bother to catch the gist in my rejoinder before your quick reaction?

the lover IMMEDIATELTLY TWISTED

who is the lover?!?!?!?

thesilent1:

who is the lover?!?!?!?

He means babyosisi. That is why I offered to let him know that I've been following the discussion, though he may not believe it. 

ahhhhhh

a lovers tiff i see! in that case, we should leave them to it.

bari_kade:

@oyb,


An explanation of sorts does not mean the same thing as offering sound answers. A deliberate effort to misconstrue Biblical teachings has not even helped your defences or explanation of sorts.

i used the term 'explantion of sorts' because i do not consider myself an Islamic authority or scholar.

as to the 'deliberate' effort; all i can say to that is: I learned from the best. (your fellow chrisitians  knocking Islam in the guise of inquiry)

@oyb,

oyb:

i used the term 'explantion of sorts' because i do not consider myself an Islamic authority or scholar.

I don't think many people have so considered themselves here on the Forum. That is why we debate these issues by committing ourselves to unprejudiced sources of information, as well as read issues without biases. If some of us have done that in the past (as I surely have), then we should do the common sense thing of seeking the true gist of an issue instead of pummelling our brains to maintain weak positions.

oyb:

as to the 'deliberate' effort; all i can say to that is: I learned from the best. (your fellow chrisitians knocking Islam in the guise of inquiry)

Are you sure those are the best, or you again deliberately chose those "sources" for the sake of peppering your arguments? In just the same way, I could chose the "best sources" of anti-Islamic documents if all I wanted was to purposely bash Islam - and they are numerous!

Think about it, oyb: at least a few people on the Forum still make sense when discussing Islam. I think it is rather an old, tired game of seeking to play the tantrums of 'tit-for-tat' that many play today, especially Muslims. This call may not be helpful to you; but you will see my point if you keep up the trend in days to come.

Regards.

I wonder why the much ado about women not praying with men in the mosque. If MO told them not to, no qualms but if they have to, they should be prepared to suckle all the males in the mosque or is it that they cannot provide suckling rooms? I fear una self

my sources, as everyone who reads my posts(as to the dark side of christianity) should know, are  encyclopedias.they all present both sides, which you will find if you reference the link provided.of course, in your book, those are prejudiced.

maybe you should refer back to the lovers comment on unbiased sourcces of info , and my reply; my paraquote of gerorge orwell.

if you think about it,I have made sense (I gave a perfectly reasonable explantaion for why muslim men and women do not pray togehter in the mosque.) if you are as balanced as (you like to beleive you are)  to be, rebuke the lover, and the mad scientist  for their  deliberate divergence from the original topic.


as a member of a minority (on these threads ), I am unsuprised that you refer to my replies as tantrums.i am sure that to you,  the people that 'make sense' are your fellow christians, who blend fact, conjecture  and fiction    to create their own odd brew of 'Islam is evil'. there is no differenece between them and those jim crow racists of the south.


to clear up a point , as to my learning from the best, I am referring to the lover, the scientist and the prophetess, not websites.


your friends are playing an even older game; bashing Islam goes right back to the middle ages. not that it matters; We're still here! .

@ bari kade
the above (by the prophetess) must be the sort of 'intelligent ' post on Islam you're refering to.
CIAO

A bold man should be able to mention names and quit going in cycles calling lovers, prophetess, scientists and what have you. I repeat, let the women suckle the men, then they can pray 2gether

@oyb,

oyb:

my sources, as everyone who reads my posts(as to the dark side of christianity) should know, are  encyclopedias.they all present both sides, which you will find if you reference the link provided.of course, in your book, those are prejudiced.

Of course, encyclopedias are not divine or the final arbiters of Biblical truth. There are as many several enclopedia that confuse Islamic tenets, most of which deny issues rather than acknowledge them. If an encyclopedic article makes an obvious denial about the Christian faith, the one thing I would do is go back to the Bible and see what God says; rather than pretend that some 'scholar' who denies Biblical teaching should be authority.

oyb:

maybe you should refer back to the lovers comment on unbiased sourcces of info , and my reply; my paraquote of gerorge orwell.

And what point did you make that borders on the issues I raised and called your attention to?

oyb:

if you think about it,I have made sense (I gave a perfectly reasonable explantaion for why muslim men and women do not pray togehter in the mosque.) if you are as balanced as (you like to beleive you are)  to be, rebuke the lover, and the mad scientist  for their  deliberate divergence from the original topic.

Please go back and see what my posts are all about. To you I may not be balanced; but I do believe that I've sought to maintain balance in whatever issues I'm dealing with.

As for rebuking babyosisi, you guys keep inviting the very same problems you complain about. At least, I've discussed with mukina2 and a few other Muslims; as well as debated issues with some Christians on the Forum. Where I was wrong, I offered apologies. If you keep providing the basis for your complaints, is it any wonder that you would come back and read the very same response you crossed your fingers not to read?

oyb:

as a member of a minority (on these threads ), I am unsuprised that you refer to my replies as tantrums.i am sure that to you,  the people that 'make sense' are your fellow christians, who blend fact, conjecture  and fiction    to create their own odd brew of 'Islam is evil'. there is no differenece between them and those jim crow racists of the south.

The same tantrums again. Pardon me, but even I have queried the so-called "freedom" that Muslim apologists noise here on the Forum by making reference to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia. Are those also a blend of "fact, conjecture, and fiction"?? I don't think you're really paying any attention to reason. And you're welcome to be my guest if all you want is to keep up with the same problems you have been inviting and complaining against in one breath.

oyb:

to clear up a point , as to my learning from the best, I am referring to the lover, the scientist and the prophetess, not websites.

Oh, I see. And you would really believe that the websites you offered were not "the best", no?

oyb:

your friends are playing an even older game; bashing Islam goes right back to the middle ages. not that it matters; We're still here! .

Oh really? I guess if you look into your own Qur'an, Muhammad was such a nice fellow to have received a very complimentary revelation of referring to Christians as the worst of creatures!! Is that something of a recent celebration?  

oyb:

@ bari kade
the above (by the prophetess) must be the sort of 'intelligent ' post on Islam you're refering to.
CIAO

Yep, maybe you should have seen those very erudite ones being posted in recent times by nyabinghi!

oyb quit whining like a little girl.
In Christ women are not unclean when they menstruate unlike in Islam
They can still worship and pray even in the same condition unlike Islam
Women can lead a fellowship unlike Islam where I'm yet to hear of a female Imam.
Are not subhuman as Mohammed taught.
They are not a tilth to be gone into whichever way pleases a man like Mohammed taught.

Mohammed categorically states Islamic women are deficient in intelligence and most of them end up in hell fire
and the fact they bleed monthly even lowers them further
That is a wicked statement from a chauvinist.

I gave you the hadith mr oyb,show me what Christ says of women that compares in anyway with Mohammeds view of women
Show me a church that does not allow women to enter and worship with men.
Your comparison of the place of women in Christ and Islam is ridiculous.
There is a big difference of one asking women to submit to their husbands which is a biblical stand that I have no problems with and one labelling women morons with no brains

nossycheek:

I wonder why the much ado about women not praying with men in the mosque. If MO told them not to, no qualms but if they have to, they should be prepared to suckle all the males in the mosque or is it that they cannot provide suckling rooms? I fear una self

lol,sucklerama.
as soon as they are suckled,the women become haram to them,lol

oyb,my name here is babyosisi not hater not lover not scientist or any others.
be warned!
and stop following me around,I'm haram to you.

I just realised something;
there seems to be a misinterpretation of the question
why don´t men and women pray together in the mosque?

men and women do pray together in the mosque, in seperate groups(ideally with a barrier between the two).the nature of the posts by the Christan Supremacists make it clear that they are coming from the following angle: only MEN pray in the mosque.

'what we have here is a failure to communicate'

this may have come about for any of the following reasons:

1) The crusaders have always celebrated themselves as intelligent and knowledgeable about Islam.(in nairaland, recycling/perusing the contents of a few sleazy websites can make any numbnuts an authority on Islam ) .All the muslims who replied to this post gave them far too much credit( for the self lauded intelligence)The fact that Muslim men and women pray together in the mosque is probably not included in their hate literature . any idiot should be aware that men and women pray in mosques. I should have realised that they are too uninformed to realise that men and women do pray together in the mosque; I should have spelt it out, and slowly.

2) the crusaders decided to be deliberately,cunningly, maliciously, ignorant .they are aware that male and female muslims pray together in the mosque, but it serves their slanderous purpose to pretend otherwise .

some may choose to reiterate about how they are not distracted by women when in church(they will also take the opportunity to give broad hints about their 4.5 gpa .they may also inform us that even white women do not hold any attraction to them(as if that should be of any intrest to us ) to that, i will simply reference pop culture:

the video 'I used to love u'.in it john legend´s girl friend spends the entire service staring at a rich dude, rather than following the sermon

the movie: 'two can play that game'.there´s a scene in the movie where Morris Chestnut's friend admonishes him

' the same gals shaking their booty in the club on saturday are shaking their booty in the church on sunday!'

telling him that if here´s no dough to get it on with chicks at the club, you can always take the cheaper option-the church

the lover will start to yakety yak about how i´m a dummy reading too much from movies, so I´ll just refer her to the threads where posters have complained about the sort of clothes(inverse burqas, everything up on display! ) that some gals choose to wear to church . I wonder what their aim could be?Anyway, it doesn´t matter if they choose to go naked to church, since all christian men are immune to the charms of women .it is a scientifically proven fact that all rapes, molestations,sexual harrassements etal are conducted by males of other religions.

going by your scripture, it would seem that the place of women is to wash priest's feet with their hair and tears.maybe you can elaborate on why they were no women among the disciples, and no female prophets in the bible.

They are not a tilth to be gone into whichever way pleases a man like Muhammad taught.

ah, another missionary, advocating the 'missionary' position to the natives

a final dig: an encylopedia is obviously a biased source on christianity:after all, christianity and science have always been at war

scientist: the earth revovles round the sun!
christian theologist: heresy! off with his head!

from oyb

if you reflect, you will realise i am replying to your friends' slander.(the best form of defense is offense). i do not go out of my way to slander anyone's religion, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. in any event one davidlyan/nossycheek(clear that log from your eye!) equals 4 oybs!.

o boy ye, e be like say my name dey send shivers down your spine.

@oyb,

oyb:

I just realised something;

You're always realizing "something" after you've posted your complaints.

oyb:

there seems to be a misinterpretation of the question
why don´t men and women pray together in the mosque?

men and women do pray together in the mosque, in seperate groups(ideally with a barrier between the two).the nature of the posts by the Christan Supremacists make it clear that they are coming from the following angle: only MEN pray in the mosque.

See your "freedom" in Islam! They ideally use barriers between the two, but there are no barriers when your men are lusting after women outside the mosques!  

oyb:

'what we have here is a failure to communicate'

I suspected as much - your Muslim apologists have well demonstrated that!  

oyb:

this may have come about for any of the following reasons:

1) The crusaders have always celebrated themselves as intelligent and knowledgeable about Islam.(in nairaland, recycling/perusing the contents of a few sleazy websites can make any numbnuts an authority on Islam )

We didn't have celebrate ourselves as intelligent as did the Qur'an in referring to Christians as very intelligent people who are devoted to learning. Did the Qur'an not say so - Qur'an 5:82?

oyb:

All the muslims who replied to this post gave them far too much credit( for the self lauded intelligence)The fact that Muslim men and women pray together in the mosque is probably not included in their hate literature . any idiot should be aware that men and women pray in mosques. I should have realised that they are too uninformed to realise that men and women do pray together in the mosque; I should have spelt it out, and slowly.

See? That's why the Qur'an gives us that "far too much credit" and never once said that Muslims are intelligent. At least, you have well demonstrated that you're only realizing issues after you've posted your own drivel.  

Even then, the barricade thing does not show that Men and Women Pray TOGETHER!!   When you say that they pray in separate groups, is that the same thing as praying together in the mosques?  Even if you spelt that slowly, you're still knotting your language, my guy!

oyb:

2) the crusaders decided to be deliberately,cunningly, maliciously, ignorant .they are aware that male and female muslims pray together in the mosque, but it serves their slanderous purpose to pretend otherwise .

What's this deliberate cunning you're whipping up here? Did you not admit that men and women pray separately? How does TOGETHER and SEPARATELY tessellate in your diction?  

oyb:

some may choose to reiterate about how they are not distracted by women when in church(they will also take the opportunity to give broad hints about their 4.5 gpa .they may also inform us that even white women do not hold any attraction to them(as if that should be of any intrest to us ) to that, i will simply reference pop culture:

Haba, oyb! Are these the issues that have been going on in your mind when you think of men and women praying together/separately in the mosques?  

oyb:

the video 'I used to love u'.in it john legend´s girl friend spends the entire service staring at a rich dude, rather than following the sermon

the movie: 'two can play that game'.there´s a scene in the movie where Morris Chestnut's friend admonishes him

' the same gals shaking their booty in the club on saturday are shaking their booty in the church on sunday!'

telling him that if here´s no dough to get it on with chicks at the club, you can always take the cheaper option-the church

Okay, so it suits your own propaganda to take your understanding of Christianity from a movie? You have again demonstrated why the Qur'an never referred to a Muslim as intelligent!  

oyb:

the lover will start to yakety yak about how i´m a dummy reading too much from movies, so I´ll just refer her to the threads where posters have complained about the sort of clothes(inverse burqas, everything up on display! ) that some gals choose to wear to church . I wonder what their aim could be?Anyway, it doesn´t matter if they choose to go naked to church, since all christian men are immune to the charms of women .it is a scientifically proven fact that all rapes, molestations,sexual harrassements etal are conducted by males of other religions.

Come on, oyb!    The rapes are best describe every now and then in "other religions" - but what religion is being practiced under the Hudood Law in Pakistan that makes a rape victim prey to the Muslim policemen that are supposed to protect them? What about the temporary marriages that Islam teaches so that Muslim men may do their thing and still excuse them as nothing?

It is only when these cases are brought to light that the Muslim propaganda sees them as happening in "other religions"!  

oyb:

going by your scripture, it would seem that the place of women is to wash priest's feet with their hair and tears.maybe you can elaborate on why they were no women among the disciples, and no female prophets in the bible.

Olodo!   There were prophetesses in the Bible. Sample these:

      Exo 15:20 -  Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron

      Judg. 4:4 - Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth

      2 Kings 22:14 - Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum

      Neh. 6:14  -  the prophetess Noadiah

      Luke 2:36  -  Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel

Did you miss those? Of course, Muhammad may not have recognized them for Muslims; and that's why Muslims often miss them. Think outside your box, my guy!  

The woman's place is not to wash the priest's hair with her hair; and that was another backyard reasoning by your Muslim mindset.

oyb:

They are not a tilth to be gone into whichever way pleases a man like Muhammad taught.

No, Christian women are not to be regarded as "tilths" - they're more dignified than that!  

oyb:

ah, another missionary, advocating the 'missionary' position to the natives

a final dig: an encylopedia is obviously a biased source on christianity:after all, christianity and science have always been at war

Christianity and science have not always been at war; it is rather the pretences of the Qur'an to fit it into science that is such a laugh!  

Any encyclopedia that is worth its merit would not obfuscate Biblical teaching. And where they do, we have often pointed them back to what the Bible says. For instance, if an encyclopedia should interpret Jesus' teachings and make a Jihadist of Him where he obviously was not one, we can challenge that ribald thinking.

Unlike the Muslim mindset, even where truth is declared, you still come back with your games of al-Taqiyya!  

oyb:

scientist: the earth revovles round the sun!
christian theologist: heresy! off with his head!

And by this you assume that the Bible teaches we should behead people like Muhammad did? Titters!  

Let's look at an easy example:

Geographer: there are 4 cardinal positions one can point to on earth: east, west, north, south!
Imam and the mullah: everywhere a muslim stands is EAST!!  

There is a very great  difference between christianity and islam the difference is so great  that no ordinary mind can comprehend, to me both religions are flawed , where does that leave us the followers of the two religions? At each other throat or at peace with each other? try to accept the difference in each other and live with it, its better to be an atheist than to be osama bin laden  no matter what islam teaches him. better to be a atheist than to a pope that will kill and decieve people in the name of christianity. religion is for the betterment of the people, even though it has failed to do that but still it should not be an instrument of division amongst  the higly enligthened people on this board.

because women are sexy and will stop me from concentrating on my prayers. Wish xtians could adopt the same principle!
@barikade
to be fair to oyb! heresy was a capital offence in those days, a man who had opinions differing from that of the church risked his life.
To be fair to the muslims, we xtians go on and on about how violent the muslims are (im not saying their not a bunch of bloodthirsty personalitites) but have u ever considered the amount of bloodshed that xtianity has shed in the past? Christianity is the singyular most violent religion in the history of mankind! if u dont believe me just go through ur history books,

@simmy,

simmy:

because women are sexy and will stop me from concentrating on my prayers. Wish xtians could adopt the same principle!

Lol, unfortunately Christianity does not.

simmy:

@barikade
to be fair to oyb! heresy was a capital offence in those days, a man who had opinions differing from that of the church risked his life.

I'm being fair to oyb, and that's why I point him back to the Bible for answers. I'm least interested in what interpretations people come up with in either religions in order to murder people. Bottomline is that as a Christian, I'm not called to a life of murder for whatever cause and at whatever cost.

simmy:

To be fair to the muslims, we xtians go on and on about how violent the muslims are (im not saying their not a bunch of bloodthirsty personalitites)

It is this repeated sounding off of the dangers of islamic terrorism that has brought and advanced public awareness at large, so that people can fight deception head on.

simmy:

but have u ever considered the amount of bloodshed that xtianity has shed in the past?

I have. And I can guarantee you that those wars in the name of Christ do not prove that Christianity was established as a violent faith.

simmy:

Christianity is the singyular most violent religion in the history of mankind! if u don't believe me just go through your history books,

I'm quite aware of what history records for us; and I must say that your assumptions are flawed. People like to believe that Christianity is the singular most violent religion in the history of mankind because they haven't checked the history books themselves; and I don't count as one of those who slave unto a revisionistic history to the politically correct.

If you really want to bear the facts, we could outline the history of religious violence and see if your assumptions can stand any scrutiny. Muslims themselves very well know what history says; and this "fairness" to oyb or his folks does not wipe the slates of Islamic terrorism. It has become a reality that both religious and irreligious people have to live with.

@mazaje,

mazaje:

There is a very great difference between christianity and islam the difference is so great that no ordinary mind can comprehend, to me both religions are flawed , where does that leave us the followers of the two religions? At each other throat or at peace with each other? try to accept the difference in each other and live with it, its better to be an atheist than to be osama bin laden no matter what islam teaches him. better to be a atheist than to a pope that will kill and decieve people in the name of christianity. religion is for the betterment of the people, even though it has failed to do that but still it should not be an instrument of division amongst the higly enligthened people on this board.

Your reasoning is also flawed; otherwise you would long have had to address your problems in a balanced way and not assume that if religion did not work for you, then it automatically has failed for others.

If I can speak for myself, Christianity has worked for me. That is one reason that I can sanely challenge the views that want us to just sit idly and become victims to global terrorism. I have no problem with other religions or whatever else anyone wants to believe for that matter. But that Islam has sworn to make me (a Christian) "the worst of creatures" is something that feeds Islamic terrorism - and that is what I continually challenge.

Lol @oyb,

You try. . . but you need to try some more! TOGETHER and SEPARATELY do not mean the same thing. You've only managed to come round proving yet again that men and women do not pray together in the mosques.

The question is: WHY?

Telly B:

Lol @oyb,

You try. . . but you need to try some more! TOGETHER and SEPARATELY do not mean the same thing. You've only managed to come round proving yet again that men and women do not pray together in the mosques.

The question is: WHY?

My dear I read oyb's report that men and women prayed together in the mosque seperated by something.
I know English is not our mother tongue but haba! this one na koro koro deceptive talk

How can people be together and seperated.
Does he think he's talking to a bunch of almajiris around a mallam?