1. Satan is intelligent - he will not ask you directly to pay for miracles. Rather, he will tell you the "Gospel" requires financing. He will tell you your giving shows faith. He will tell you such gifts are for your own good. Then he will collect and say he''s using it for good. Does that remind you of the Apostles? Or is it your pastor it reminds you of?

2. Tongues were spoken publicly how many times in the Bible? What advice did Paul give those who speak by the Spirit of God? Communing with God privately differs from noise-making. When you follow the Biblical injunctions, people will take you serious. For now, its the Pharisee Syndrome of "make dem see me sef". That mindset does not worship God.

3. Christianity is a way of life. It is not membership of a church or congregation. Neither is it Atmosphere for miracles or kabashing. Salt sweetens. We make life easier for all we encounter, solve their problems, empower them (not share ROR or bags of rice to them) by teaching them with example of our lives how to overcome challenges and problems. We SHOW the glory of God in ourselves. I don't care if you are christian - if you need help, here it is and not that you must come to my/our church or do anything. And I won't take photos of me doing good. That is christianity.

But as long as you believe EVERYTHING a man says is right, there will be dissent. And as it stands, CE is losing every argument and face before the world. Slowly, the toll will become higher

newmi:

what l and the others of my kind are saying is that in Christ Jesus God has made a provision for a man to live a life beyond suffering from sickness or diseases. How is that hard for you to assimilate and articulate?

SirJohn:

My dear, you are trying to run faster than your shadow; I have supplied scriptures to show that even though God made such provision, the time is not now none of you responded to any of those scriptures but rather turned a blind eye. There are some of Gods promises which are yet to be fulfilled but you guys just cant wait. Its you who has a hard time accepting the truth.

Joagbaje:

Your claim is not true sirjohn. The benefit in christ is now. Thats what perfection is all about. I agree with you there is a futuristic part for everybody generally. But we in christ partake of it's firstruit . We have to grow into fulness of all that christ is. That is what will cause the rapture to take place. Because he's coming for a perfectly mature church that has gained dominion over sickness , sin, poverty and death.

Joagbaje:


Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 

kenpaam:

Are you not a christian?
You can start by drinking poison, maybe i will follow you.
A situation made Jesus to walk on water, his disciples left him, there was no boat again. It was not to show off.
There is nothing wrong if you raise the dead, you ought to, because you profess christ.

mabell:

And after he had sent the people away, he went up into the mountain by himself for prayer: and when evening was come, he was there by himself. 24 But the boat was now in the middle of the sea, and was troubled by the waves: for the wind was against them. 25 And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. 26 And when they saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they gave cries of fear. 27 But straight away Jesus said to them, Take heart; it is I, have no fear.
Matt 14:23-27 (BBE)


Jesus did not walk on water in order to show Himself or to proove a point.
He did that because His disciples left their master without a means of transportation knowing fully well he had to attend the meeting on the other side.

KunleOshob:

^^^
@Mabell
Why are you so obsessed with me? Am I the one that made the statement you are responding to? Or why are you addressing it to me?

away4real:


That said there are a few positives about CEC have met some very decent christains from CEC whom I respect so I cant reconcile it, how can it be, , does that mean this or that and I leave it at that, , I realise I cant understand everything.

The so called modern day crusaders should take heed, its easy to point the spec in another's eyes. CEC, Redeem are out there doing something (right or wrong I dont know so dont ask me), hard for me to admit but they do actually change lives, so as a result of been out there there are facing scrutiny.

I challenge the modern day crusaders to identify their worship centres and lets see if its blameless. Let them face the level of scrutiny and lets see if they are 100%

Summary this life is a personal thing, its between you and your God. Forget the churches, the structures and concentrate on the brethren, if you believe you brother has erred tell him clearly and firmly, if he refuses leave him or better pray for him.

away4real:

. Recently, I heard their members are/will be ordered to leave face book to join the church's own social network. Such a joke, the hold the church has on its members is a bit scary.

Joagbaje:

We need to differentiate between the legal aspect of our salvation and the vital aspect. Legally we are everything Chist is,  because of his life in us.

Joagbaje:

We however live in a body that is not yet perfect. But it's still undergoing change. The spirt of msn is 100%  in his likenes, bur the soul and the body does not become perfect overnight. The is undergoing it's metsmophorsis by the word of God and the ministry of the holy ghost.

Joagbaje:

Attack may come sgains the body , but you rule over it and send it packing. Just as a Christian may fall into a sin, when he realise it , he repents and turn away from it.  The more he grows the less his yieldedness to flesh. Sin and sickneses are all contracts of the flesh . When a man begings to walk in the spirit , it becomes difficult for sickness or sin to reign over him. God wants us to attain perfection  on earth .

SirJohn:

Now this is core WOF which originated from E.W Kenyon/Kenneth Hagin, trying to elevate the Christian to a God status. You may have the life of Christ, that does not make you everything that he is, He is God you are not and can never be.

mabell:

Aside these scripture
Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(KJV)

mabell:

Let us everyday illustrations. Please fill in the missing gap

Man gives birth to,
Dogs give birth to,
Horses give birth to,
cows give birth to,
God gives birth to,

mabell:

what does Amoeba give birth to
Amoeba gives birth to other children of its kind
But the interesting thing is these other Amoeba off springs carry the life of the Amoeba in it
They carry the cell of the Amoeba

mabell:

My point is that the amoeba reproduce by dividing itself. that's how God give birth. he divides himself into us.

1 Corinthians 12:11
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

mabell:

My point is that the amoeba reproduce by dividing itself. that's how God give birth. he divides himself into us.

1 Corinthians 12:11
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

petres_007:

This is unbelievable!