Martian:

Shia celebration time!!!! Party up in herrrrrreee!!!

Sweetnecta:

@Evil brain; « #2 on: Today at 01:42:10 AM »while i ignore everything else i can't but not ignore the bold and put up the following scenario to illustrate why; which one of the two is a violent man: a son was was returning from the office and found a man with a gun against his mother's head, demanding all the cash and jewelries he thinks may be locked up in a secret vault/safe that he was unable to locate. the son happened to be a member of the family of law enforcement agencies and a marksman, an expert in firearms. he yell for the man to drop his gun, but instead the invader turned the gun towards the son. the son in effort to save his mother's life at first now turns to additionally trying to avoid his own being taken first and mother's life will definitely be next. and who knows who will be among the victims before the man is through for the day. what about a future incidences and this may not has been his first time.
with enough adrenalin pumping in his body, he drew his magnum and created a hole in the chest of the coward who would have killed him and his mother and maybe others. which of the two is the violent man? if you say it is the son, then you are correct to tag Islam as a violent religion. if you say the home invader, note that you have pointed you identity of violence away from Islam. it is in human nature to instinctively wants to disallow anyone from taking his life. Islam can't but tell muslims not to be a dead duck, a target for all, including those in his heart and n his brain there is enough brain to destroy nations, simultaneously.

rafhell:

if only you all can know how much i hate and despise this forking religion of hate, murder and violence called islam. a perfect religion from satan

why cant u learn from other religion like Hinduism and others.

LagosShia:

as for your advice for us to learn from hinduism,you really got no idea then what hindus have done and the killings perpetrated by them in india.when it comes to slaughtering a goat or eating beef,they pretend to be harmless and soft and make people believe they cannot hurt a fly.but when it comes to massacreing people,the hindus forget that life is sacred.

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history.

The Quran:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers], and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, " Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" From the historical context we know that the "persecution" spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah." According to Ibn Ishaq (324), Muhammad justified the violence further by explaining that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight, "

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, "

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Additional Notes:

Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is in dominant (as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the constant threat of terror if Muslim demands are not met.

then my question is : what does it take for islam to remove violence and murder from their religion. what does it take for them to embrace peace. what does it take for them to learn to respect other peoples faith and religion.

we all know the obvious, if only we can be sincere and unbiased

Guyman02:

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.  

bisiaet:

By the way who gave the Muslim the audacity to eve be calling non muslim an "Infidel"this statement angers me a lot. To be honest a full atheist is better than them and they are calling someone infidel nonsense.

Was Christainity not existing before Islam then why cant the early christain wipe them out? Sometime I do blame early christain for been too nice to this people because if they had be clean up then today the world would not be in this position where killing is a fun, bombing a game, bloodsucking vamperism is in the name of religion is a play thing.

I lost every respect for this religion just because of this so called Hausa in Nigeria I just lost total respect because I thought it was a religion to mingle with but now I realised mingle with them I may be their next target or Boko animal next victim and so the so called silly pretending Northern Naugthy-person leaders will keep quiet . I am out of this craps plssss  Rubbish

LagosShia:

no where does the Quran asks Muslims to wage war on unbelievers simply because they are called by that name.they are called by that name because the unbelievers were aggressors who waged war simply because they hated islam as many of you do.then the Quran ask Muslims to wage war because they have become victims.

Holy Quran 2:256-257:
"There is no compulsion in religion — the right way is indeed clearly distinct from error. So whoever disbelieves in the devil and believes in Allah, he indeed lays hold on the firmest handle which shall never break. And Allah is Hearing, Knowing. Allah is the Friend of those who believe — He brings them out of darkness into light. And those who disbelieve, their friends are the devils who take them out of light into darkness. They are the companions of the Fire; therein they abide."

Holy Quran 22:39:
"Permission (to fight) is given to those on whom war is made, because they are oppressed"



HOLY QURAN 2:190:

[size=18pt]Fight[/size] in the way of Allah [size=18pt]against those who fight against you[/size], but[b] [size=18pt]begin not hostilities[/size][/b]. Lo! [size=18pt]Allah loveth not aggressors[/size].

abubello:

by the time we take a census of all killed by muslims and compare them to the millions killed by america in Iraq and afghanistan alone the real perpetrators of violence and terror will be revaealed. Lets not forget the thousands being killed by Russia in chechenya and dagistan, nor the thousands massacred by the zionists in occupied palestine, or the thousands of muslim men killed  and thousands of women violated in  serbia while UN soldiers watched. I did not mention the numerous wedding processions wiped out by NATO forces in Afghanistan. Yet because the bulk of the media is owned by anti islamic groups all we hear is Islam and violence!

Sagamite:

You have to be clear that the term "hostilities" can be interpreted as one wishes.

You need to provide the part the Quran defines what it regards as "hostilities".

I am sure that there are several fundamentalist so-called "scholars" that are preaching a lot of non-violent acts as "hostilities" towards muslims, Islam or Allah.

These texts in the Quran is leading to a lot of Muslims being savages.

The message of Islam is universal. From early times the Muslims were only permitted to fight in self defence. When there is no option, and in the face of persecution, however, the Muslims must fight. The strength of Islam lies in its certainty of ultimate victory over aggression, transgression, and ascribing falsehood to Allah and His last prophet. Fitna can mean oppression, persecution, seduction - all implying the "discord" that attachment with ghayrallah (other-than-Allah) brings about. It is used as in verse 217 of this surah - war is detestable but fitna is worse than slaughter. Islam promotes peace, order and harmony in the human society and keeps man on the right path. When the enemies of Islam found that the light of this message was sweeping darkness from every corner, the disbelievers vowed to annihilate it. It was only then that, no recourse being left for the believers, they had to resolutely take up the sword in defence. Verses 39 and 40 of al Hajj also give permission to fight when any people is wronged, oppressed and persecuted.
If Numbers 25: 1 to 3 and 31: 7 to 18 in the Old Testament are read carefully one comes to the conclusion that when the Israelites, in Shitim, began to worship the gods of Moab the Lord God asked Moses to "take all the leaders of the people and hurl them down to their death before the Lord."
And they made war on Midians as the Lord has commanded Moses, and slew all the men. The Israelites took captive the Madianite women and children, and carried off all their cattle, their flocks and their property. They burnt all their cities. Moses asked them to kill every male child and every women who has had intercourse with a man.
So in the way of Allah, the prophets were commanded to put an end to the activities of the disbelievers who wanted to destroy the true devotees of Allah in order to stop the advancement and progress of the religion of Allah. The Quran commands the Muslims not to exceed the limits but to fight evil until its power base is dislodged, and if the kafirs desist then to show mercy. Compared to what the other prophets did, as commanded by Allah, to destroy the unbelievers, the role assigned to the Holy Prophet as the "mercy unto the worlds" was the most benign of all the campaigns undertaken by His messengers to liberate mankind from the clutches of the enemies of Allah. He fought and killed the enemy whenever war was imposed on him.
Nobody who has any idea of the miserable conditions of the early Muslims, would for a moment imagine that this handful of people could have wantonly set themselves to provoke the active hostility of the whole world about them. They would quietly have borne any provocation rather than take the risk of fighting numberless hordes. If they did engage themselves in this way, one would presume that circumstances had forced them to it; unless their very existence was in peril, they could not possibly have thought to plunge themselves into a mortal struggle. This is so clear a priori that even if the initiative did appear to be taken by Muslims, no sane minded person would for a moment suppose that they were really offensive wars - they must have been offensive with a defensive import. The circumstances had forced them to take action, and if the Holy Prophet had not been quick to it and had waited for a formal assault from the other side, he would only have given the enemy time to collect their forces; and who can doubt that in that case, the world would soon have heard the last of this little band of Muslims.
Yet such is the perversity of prejudice that no such considerations, obvious as they are, are allowed to have any weight with writers like Muir, Sale, Neoldeke and others. All they can see is that in the battle of Badr and its prelude, the raid of Abdullah bin Jahsh, it was the Muslims that began the quarrel with the infidels. What the infidels had been doing all the time before is, as a matter of principle, ignored and forgotten.
How deep-rooted was the acrimony which drove the infidels on against the new converts, may be easily judged from their pursuing them down even to Abyssinia, to where the Muslims had fled to avoid the horrible tortures they were suffering at their hands. The infidels would not let them live in peace even in other lands. Could it be imagined that they could all complacently see them flourish and develop their mission from a centre only 70 miles away from themselves? What are the facts? Soon after the emigration of the Holy Prophet, they wrote to the chief of Madina, Abdullah ibna Obay, as follows:
You have given protection to our man. We have sworn by God that you either kill him or expel him, otherwise we will come upon you with all of us. and kill your fighting men and take hold of your women as lawful for us"
Obay bin Kab says, "When the Holy Prophet and his people came to Madina and the Ansars took them under their protection, all the Arabs were united to make an assault upon them. They never lay down to sleep except with their weapons with them."
This is not the place to give an account of the various wars and battles that were fought. They will be described under the various verses relating to them.
This is merely an introduction that may help us to understand the true state of things at the time. All this is quietly passed over by European critics of Islam.
Finally it should be noted that as without jihad correspondence of the Holy Prophet to the career of prophet Musa would fail to be perfect, Islam would also fail to be a complete and perfect religion for the world. Fighting has well been said to be the direct necessity of human nature, a religion that did not provide for it, did not regulate its principles and define its rightful limits, would not be a perfect religion, much less a final religion for the world.
Aqa Mahdi Puya says:
In spite of all that has been said that Islam prefers peaceful methods of preaching the truth, and that it never took any initiative in waging wars against its opponents, the fact is that Islam recognises the right of taking the initiative in using force against those who persist in ungodly activities causing human degradation or social and moral deterioration. But this measure can only be adopted by the prophet of Allah or his vicegerents, authorised by Him, and none else. As Imam Muhammad bin Ali al Baqir says: "A war may be termed as holy or godly (jihad) if the object is to make people give up submission to the ghayrallah and to submit only to Allah's authority and the divine will. But if the purpose is to make them give up submission to one creature in order to submit to any other, it is the usual war waged for selfish and worldly gain. Hence it is unholy and thus condemned by Islam." Taking this definition in view, it is obvious that no war is holy unless it is sanctioned and allowed by the person who is perfectly pure from every kind of ungodliness and is constantly in communion with the universal will of the absolute.
However, Islam enjoins on Muslims to be always ready, well prepared and well equipped to meet all exigencies, or an eventuality which may unexpectedly develop against them, then they should gather as much strength as they can, so that their opponents, the opponents of the divine cause, may refrain from any unprovoked aggression. (Anfal: 60).
http://quran.al-islam.org/

vedaxcool:

Note that the ill thoughts of this ignorant critics have been summed up by:

If you people can not address issues logically then we can not help you. divineunereal, if you can not argue rationally, then humanism has barely raised you beyond the level of a stone worshiping idol, now using your illogical way of arguing, please help us in NL, to collate all the crimes and deaths that have happened in the U.S and then logically give us your conclusion. I bet the U.S will be the most violent state with the most violent people on earth, and inherently using your false sense of cheap thoughts and logics, U.S is a violent state with its constituion promoting violence, how will that seat with common sense? you be the judge.

Martian, when you are thru showing pictures of muslims and violence, please be a rational man, by showing us the pictures of the violence that go on in the U.S and conclude similarly that this proves their state as inherently violent and promotes extreme violence. while at that, brings us pictures of the dead civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan etc in wars that the U.S army actually commited those killings. I have long concluded that you atheist in NL are irrationally anti-religion and never to be taken seriously.
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Mr (sorry imam) vedaxcool, i don't seem to understand ur argument here. Are the Nigerian muslims also fighting the US citizens in Nigeria? Have u ever lived in the northern part of the country? I doubt u have. Otherwise u'll see that ur muslim brothers are very wicked and inhumane set of human beings. Why killing a fellow country man (Nigerian) because he practises a different religion. I live in Jos so i can tell u what we're facing here.
Let me share a story with u (Source: my mother inlaw)
She was at Ahmadu Bello way last weekend for shopping when she discovered some force men were interrogating and arresting a few bike men while some were allowed to go. Suddenly a bike man (supposedly a muslim) came speeding and was stopped but refused. The force men pursued and caught him and d next thing they heard was "allah-hu-akbar, allah-hu-akbar (i'm not and can NEVER be a muslim so don't crucify me for wrong spelling). That drew people's attention and everybody became cautious because most of d past religious conflicts up north started in dis manner. The man was apparently shouting to attract d attention of muslims around, giving a false impression dat he's been molested prolly for d sake of religion.
The man was reportedly beaten cos of dat and arrested. Even his fellow bike men were upset and  told d force men to beat him d more for raising a false alarm.
My question: what has "allah-hu-akbar"  got to do with doing  the right thing? Some Christians were obviously arrested as it was not an arrest focused on muslims alone. This is one story to let u know these muslims don't think b4 acting most times and that they always look for d slightest opportunity to cause chaos.

Now malam vedaxcool can u tell me why ur brothers keep killing and maiming Christians in Nigeria if Islamic war was against d US? According to u, Americans are constantly terrorising the muslims, are Nigerian Christians also terrorising u people? Why is it that any issue, no matter how insensitive or irrelevant will always make muslims "the peaceful fellows" mad and start killing Christians? I'd also like u to tell me which American citizen ur boko haram brothers are fighting against in Nigeria.

Finally, i want u to know that for every human being you kill, there's judgement awaiting you!

Sagamite:

Go and take a census of those killed in recent times in the name of religion and you will see all other religions combined is nowhere near Islamic fundamentalist murders.

golamike:

Mr (sorry imam) vedaxcool, i don't seem to understand your argument here. Are the Nigerian muslims also fighting the US citizens in Nigeria? Have u ever lived in the northern part of the country? I doubt u have. Otherwise u'll see that your muslim brothers are very wicked and inhumane set of human beings. Why killing a fellow country man (Nigerian) because he practises a different religion. I live in Jos so i can tell u what we're facing here.
Let me share a story with u (Source: my mother inlaw)
She was at Ahmadu Bello way last weekend for shopping when she discovered some force men were interrogating and arresting a few bike men while some were allowed to go. Suddenly a bike man (supposedly a muslim) came speeding and was stopped but refused. The force men pursued and caught him and d next thing they heard was "allah-hu-akbar, allah-hu-akbar (i'm not and can NEVER be a muslim so don't crucify me for wrong spelling). That drew people's attention and everybody became cautious because most of d past religious conflicts up north started in dis manner. The man was apparently shouting to attract d attention of muslims around, giving a false impression dat he's been molested prolly for d sake of religion.
The man was reportedly beaten cos of dat and arrested. Even his fellow bike men were upset and  told d force men to beat him d more for raising a false alarm.
My question: what has "allah-hu-akbar"  got to do with doing  the right thing? Some Christians were obviously arrested as it was not an arrest focused on muslims alone. This is one story to let u know these muslims don't think b4 acting most times and that they always look for d slightest opportunity to cause chaos.

Now malam vedaxcool can u tell me why your brothers keep killing and maiming Christians in Nigeria if Islamic war was against d US? According to u, Americans are constantly terrorising the muslims, are Nigerian Christians also terrorising u people? Why is it that any issue, no matter how insensitive or irrelevant will always make muslims "the peaceful fellows" mad and start killing Christians? I'd also like u to tell me which American citizen your boko haram brothers are fighting against in Nigeria.

Finally, i want u to know that for every human being you kill, there's judgement awaiting you!