He's Alive!
the word "resurrected" is not used in the new testament once when the disciples of Jesus were reacting to the news that Jesus was not dead but alive.infact,they keep screaming "he's alive",meaning "not dead" since all of them had received the news that Jesus was sentenced to death and they expected him to have died!if they truly knew Jesus was killed,and had returned from the dead,they surely would have repeatedly exclaimed:"he's resurrected"!but not once!!!

Luke 24:23
but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive.

more to come!

According to three out of the four versions of the Gospel present in the Christian Bible, it is said that whilst Jesus was on the way to be crucified, the soldiers escorting him stopped a certain Jewish man who happened to be passing by named Simon of Cyrene, and made him carry the cross for Jesus.

Now, read carefully the account given in the Gospel of Matthew [Matthew 27:31-37] and note that the text actually implies the crucifixion of Simon of Cyrene and not Jesus (all Biblical quotes in this article are from the King James translation):

31: And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
32: And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
33: And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
34: They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
35: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
36: And sitting down they watched him there;
37: And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Notice that in verse 32, Simon of Cyrene is referred to, and that in all of the verses following it up to verse 37, Jesus' name is not mentioned, there is only "him" and "he". Thus implying that the word "him" in verse 35 refers to Simon of Cyrene, and not to Jesus.

The fact that they wrote a sign above his head claiming him to be Jesus only indicates that this was what they thought.

And see Mark's similar account [Mark 15:20-26]:

20: And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
21: And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
22: And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
23: And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.
24: And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
25: And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
26: And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

These two accounts clearly imply the likelihood that Simon of Cyrene was the one crucified instead of Jesus. However, due to the belief that later came to prevail among the Christians regarding the crucifixion of Jesus, along with the confusion that they must have had in reconciling all of the contradictory accounts, it is likely that much of the other content of those gospels regarding events afterwards was doctored and distorted.

The accounts of Luke and John [Luke 23:26-43, John 19:17-27] are fairly unambiguous that Jesus was crucified, however these two accounts are considered to have been authored at a later period than those of Mark and Matthew.

The author of Luke, as is evident from certain other writings in the New Testament, was clearly an adherent of the teachings of Paul, while the identity of the author of John is controversial, although it is certain from the content of his Gospel that he held many of the complicated beliefs of the Greek philosophers and thinkers, rather than the simple Semitic monotheism that Jesus so clearly taught.

Then I found this interesting piece of information on Wikipedia:

"According to some Gnostic traditions, [b]Simon of Cyrene, by mistaken identity, suffered the events leading up to the crucifixion, and died on the cross instead of Jesus. [/b]This is the story presented in the Second Treatise of the Great Seth, although it is unclear whether Simon or another actually died on the cross, This belief is also held by many Muslims, "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_of_Cyrene

The following is the translation by Roger A. Bullard and Joseph A. Gibbons of the relevant portion of the work known as "The Second Treatise of the Great Seth" mentioned above, which is one of a collection of early Christian gnostic writings dated around the 3rd or 4th century CE that was discovered near the Egyptian town of Nag' Hammadi in 1945. The quote is attributed to Jesus:

"For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death, It was another, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I[t] was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns, And I was laughing at their ignorance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_, the_Great_Seth

And here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say in its online article on Docetism (an early Christian sect regarded as "heretical" by the later Church):

"According to Basilides, Christ seemed to men to be a man and to have performed miracles. It was not, however, Christ, who suffered but Simon of Cyrene who was constrained to carry the cross and was mistakenly crucified in Christ's stead. Simon having received Jesus' form, Jesus returned Simon's and thus stood by and laughed. Simon was crucified and Jesus returned to his father (Irenaeus, Adv. Char., 1, xxiv). According to some apocrypha it was Judas, not Simon the Cyrenean, who was thus substituted."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm

Obviously, many of the other beliefs of the Docetists and other Gnostic sects are clear-cut kufr and deviance, however what is relevant here is the admission by the Christians themselves that there was indeed a controversy from the very earliest periods of Christianity regarding who exactly was killed on the cross.

And indeed, Allah revealed the truth of the matter in his Saying: {And because of their saying: "We killed the Messiah, 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah." But they killed him not, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge; they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not.} [An-Nisa': 157]

And Allah knows better.

courtesy:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f15/but-they-killed-him-not-nor-did-16671/

In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate

"Resurrection or Resuscitation?"-By Ahmed Deedat

In one of my books - "Who Moved the Stone?" I had promised to deal with the anomaly,
where believers were reading simple English, yet were so conditioned that they were
understanding exactly the opposite of what they were reading. The following story from real
life will not only illustrate the point but will also elucidate our present case -
"Resurrection or Resuscitation"

I was about to leave for the Transvaal (South Africa) on a lecture tour, so I phoned my
friend Hafiz Yusuf Dadoo of Standerton, informing him of my impending visit, as well as to
inquire whether he needed anything from Durban. He said that as he was taking up Hebrew,
I should try and obtain a Bible in the Hebrew language with a translation in English side by
side.


I went to the "Bible House" in Durban. Without any difficulty I found the appropriate Bible
for my friend, the "Authorized Version," also known as the King James Version, looking for
one with the best print and at the cheapest price, I noticed the lady behind the counter had
lifted up the telephone to speak to someone. I was out of hearing distance, nor was I
interested, but after an exchange with the person on the other side of the line she put her
hand on the mouthpiece and addressed me: "Excuse me, sir, are you Mr. Deedat?" I said:
"Yes." She said: "The Supervisor of the Bible Society would like to meet you," I agreed. She
spoke a few more words into the telephone and replaced the receiver. I said with a smile: "I
thought that you were ringing the police." (Perhaps because of the number of Bibles I was
handling!). - She laughed and said: "No, it was the Rev. Roberts, the Supervisor, who
wishes to speak to you."



Winning a Convert
Presently, Rev. Roberts approached me and after introducing himself he gestured to me to
hand over to him the Bible which I was holding in my hand. I handed the book. He opened
it and began reading to me: "And this is life eternal that they should know Thee the only
True God and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent." (John 17:3). (Subsequently, I checked up
the Gospel references of his quotations).

After having listened to his reading of this scripture, I responded with the words: "I accept!"
- meaning the implication of the Message he was trying to convey to me. I did not tell him
then that what he was trying to convey to me was the same as the Holy Qur’ân was telling
mankind for the past fourteen hundred years - that all must believe in the One and Only
God Almighty, and Jesus Christ is only a Messenger of God. The words of the Holy Qur’ân
are as follows: -

"Most Certainly the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was an apostle of Allah and His Word,
which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His
Apostles" (The Holy Qur’ân 4:171)



Love One Another
Rev. Roberts must have been elated to hear my words "I Accept," to his first quotation. He
quickly opened the Bible in another place and began reading these words attributed to
Jesus:-

"A new commandment I give unto you. That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that
ye also love one another." "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have
love for one another." (John 13:34-35)



A New Convert?
When he had finished reading these verses, I remarked: "Very good!" He was greatly
encouraged with my comment. I sincerely meant what I said and there was no pretense.
The Reverend found yet another quotation to clinch a convert for Christ. He began:-

"Judge not that ye be not judged." "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged;
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2)

To this quotation I responded with the words, "I agree!" My only reason for agreeing and
accepting everything that the Reverend was reading to me was not of the "special discount"

I was getting from the Bible Society on my purchases, but because these particular
quotations were conveying the same message and ideals which Allah subhanahoo wa ta'aala
was commanding the Muslims to preach and practice. I would be spiritually jaundiced to
take exceptions to what was common to both of us - the Muslim and the Christian. For me
to say that an identical message from my Book (the Holy Qur’ân) was very good, but the
same message in his Book (the Holy Bible) was very bad would be hypocritical in the
extreme. It would be soul shaming untruth.



The Purpose
What was the real purpose of the Reverend's reading the Scripture to me? Indeed, I was
getting a special discount on all my purchases from the Bible Society and I was perhaps the
only non-Christian to get such a discount, though it was depending purely on a business
transaction, and this information must have been passed on the Reverend as the Head of
the Bible Society; that I was a Muslim there was no mistaking my identity, for my beard and
my headgear were the badges of my Faith, easily recognized as such in this part of the
world; and that, despite my numerous purchases of the Bibles in English (various versions),
in Zulu, Afrikaans, Urdu, Arabic and other languages, I was not yet converted. Perhaps,
what I really needed was a gentle push, the Supervisor must have been told. Hence the
recitation of the preceding quotations to me. The implication of this reading was that I had
probably not read those beautiful passages; how else was it possible, then, that I had not
yet embraced Christianity?


A Problem
The Reverend gentleman had taken the role of a teacher who wanted to teach, who wanted
to impart new knowledge to his pupil.

Since I am commanded by my Prophet, peace be upon him, to seek knowledge I wanted to
learn. I said: "I agree with all that you have read to me, but I have a problem with your
Bible." "What problem have you got?" he asked. I said: "Please open the Gospel of St. Luke,
chapter 3 verse 23." This he did. I said: "Please read." He read:-

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son
of Joseph, which was the son of Heli," (Luke 3:23)

I drew the Reverend's attention to the words - "(As was supposed)." I said: "Do you see
that the words 'As was supposed' are written within brackets?" He said that he saw that. I
asked him: "Why are the brackets there?" He acknowledged, "I don't know, but I could find
out for you from some Bible scholars." I admired his humility. Though I knew that all
Supervisors of Bible Houses in South Africa are retired reverends, it was possible that this
aspect of Bible knowledge was beyond their sphere. I said: "If you do not know, then let me
tell you what the brackets are doing there in this verse. You do not have to take the trouble
of looking for a Bible scholar."

I explained that in the "most ancient" manuscripts of Luke, the words "As was supposed"
are not there. Your translators felt that without this interpolation the, ordinary Christians,
not well grounded in faith, might slip and fall into the error of believing that Joseph the
Carpenter was the actual physical father of Jesus. So they took the precaution of adding
their own comment in brackets to avoid any misunderstanding. I said: "I am not trying to
find fault with your system of adding words in brackets to assist the reader, but what
intrigues me is that in all translations of the Bible in the African and Eastern languages you
have retained the words "as was supposed" but have removed the brackets! Couldn't the
nations of the Earth besides the English understand the meaning and purpose of the
brackets?

What is wrong with the Afrikaner? Why have you eliminated the brackets from the Afrikaans
Bible? The Supervisor protested: "I didn't do it." I said: "I know that you personally did not
do it but why have the Bible Society that you represent and your Bible scholars been playing
with the 'Word of God?' If God Almighty did not see fit to preserve Luke from error what
right has anybody to add to or delete from words in the 'Book of God?' What right have you
to manufacture 'God's Words?'



Interpolations
The translator's own addition of words in brackets can easily be put into the mouth of St.
Luke by merely removing the brackets, and by implication, if Luke was inspired by God to
write what he did, then the interpolations automatically become the Word of God, which
really is not the case. (More will be said on this subject in the forthcoming publication Is the
Bible God's Word?) I concluded my explanation with the words - 'Your theologians of the
day have succeeded where the alchemists of yore failed - of turning baser metal into shining
gold.'"



The English Language
At this stage the Reverend introduced irrelevancies into the discussion and the subject
changed. He made some claims which made me say: "You see, sir, you English people do
not know your own language." (With apologies to my readers whose mother tongue is
English). He quickly retorted: "You mean to say that you know my language better than I
do?" I said: "It would be presumptuous on my part to tell - an Englishman - that I
understand your language better than you do." "Then what do you mean that we English
people do not know our own language?" he demanded. I said again: "You see, sir, you read
your Holy Scripture in your mother tongue, like every Christian belonging to a thousand
different language groups, and yet each and every Christian language group understands
the facts, opposite to what he is reading." "What are you referring to?" he asked.



A Ghost
I continued: "Do you remember the occasion when Jesus returned to that upper room after
his alleged crucifixion: 'And saith unto them, (his disciples), 'Peace be unto you'' (Luke
24:36), and his disciples were terrified on recognizing him?" He answered that he
remembered that incident. I inquired: "Why should they be terrified?" When one recognizes
one's long-lost friend or one's beloved, the natural reaction is to feel overjoyed, elated and
one wants to embrace and kiss the hands and feet of the beloved. Why did they get
terrified?" The Reverend replied that they (the disciples) thought that they were seeing a
ghost." I asked: "Did Jesus look like a ghost?" He said: "No." "Then why did they think that
they were seeing a ghost when he did not look like a ghost?" I queried. The Reverend was
clearly puzzled. I said: "Please allow me to explain."



Disciples Not Eye Witnesses
"You see, sir, the disciples of Jesus were not eye-witnesses or ear-witnesses to the actual
happenings of the previous three days, as vouched for by St. Mark who says that at the
most critical juncture in the life of Jesus: "they all forsook him and fled." (Mark 14:50). All
the knowledge of the disciples regarding their Master was from hearsay. They had heard
that their master was hanged on the Cross; they had heard that he had given up the Ghost;
they had heard that he was dead and buried for three days. If one is confronted by a person
with such a reputation then the conclusion is inescapable; they must be seeing a ghost.
Little wonder these ten brave men were petrified."

"To disabuse their minds from the fear that gripped them, Jesus reasoned with them. He
said: 'Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself' To put it in colloquial English, this is
how he told them: 'What is wrong with you fellows, can't you see that I am the same
person - who walked and talked with you, broke bread with you - flesh and blood in all
respects.'

Why do doubts enter your minds? 'Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones as
you see me have.' (Luke 24:39). In other words he is telling them: 'If I have flesh and
bones, then I am not a ghost, not a spook and not a spirit!'" "Is that right?" I asked. "Yes,"
he replied. I continued that, Jesus is telling them, as recorded in this verse, in basic English,
that what the disciples were asked to "handle and see" was not a translated body, not a
metamorphosed body and not a resurrected body, because a resurrected body is a
spiritualised body. He is telling them in the clearest language humanly possible that he is
not what they were thinking. They were thinking that he was a spirit, a resurrected body,
one having been brought back from the dead. He is most emphatic that he is not!"



Spiritualization
"But how can you be so sure that the resurrected body cannot materialize physically as
Jesus had obviously done?" murmured the Reverend. I replied: "Because Jesus had himself
pronounced that the resurrected bodies get spiritualised." When did he say any such thing?"
inquired the Reverend. I answered: "Do you remember the incident as recorded in the
Gospel of St. Luke, chapter 20, where the learned men of the Jews- "the chief priests and
the scribes with the elders"- had come to him with a number of posers, and among them
was one about a Jewess who had seven husbands in turn, one after another according to a
Jewish custom, and in time all seven husbands and the woman too died?" The Reverend
said that he did remember the occasion. I continued: "The trap that the religious hierarchy
was trying to spring on him was; which one of the seven husbands was going to possess the
woman on the 'Other side'- at the resurrection?- since they reasoned with Jesus that the
seven brothers had her.

There was no problem while they fulfilled their obligation of trying to give her a child,
because they had possessed her one by one in turn, and it was after the death of one that
the other had taken her to wife. But since at the resurrection all seven will be brought to life
simultaneously, there will be strife in heaven because all seven would want to get at her at
the same time, specially if they had pleasure with her."

"Jesus debunked their false notion of the resurrection, by saying that at the resurrection:
'neither shall they die any more' (Luke 20:36) meaning that the resurrected persons will be
Immortalised. They will not be subject to death any more, no more hanger or thirst, no
more fatigue. In short, all the instruments of death will be powerless against the
resurrected body. Jesus continues to explain: 'for they (the resurrected bodies) are equal
unto the angles,' that is, that they will be Angelised - spiritualised, that they will become
spirit-creatures, i.e. Spirits;'and the children of God, for such are the children of the
resurrection." (Luke 20:36).



Jesus Not Spiritualised
I was taken off from the theme I was expounding two paragraphs above by the Reverend
with the challenge: "But how can you be so sure, ?" To continue from where I had deviated
above - He is Not what they were thinking, that he was not a Spirit, not a Ghost, not a
Spook. To assure them further after having offered his hands and feet for inspection and
verification that his was a material, physical body, and that all their bewilderment and
disbelief was unjustified, he asked his disciples: "Have you here any meat?" (Meaning
something to eat). "And they gave him a piece of broiled fish and of a honeycomb, and he
took it, and did eat before them." (Luke 24:41-43)



A Drama?
What was Jesus trying to prove by all his demonstrations of wanting his hands and feet to
be handled and chewing and masticating broiled fish and honeycomb? Was all this a
pretense, make-belief, an act or drama? "No!" Said Schleliermacher in 1819, a hundred
years before I was born. Albert Schweizer records him saying: "If Christ had only eaten to
show that he could eat, while he really had no need of nourishment, if would have been a
pretense, something docetic."( In Quest of the Historical Jesus, page 64).
I had not know of Schleliermacher and other Christian scholars who over a hundred years
ago doubted the death of Jesus on the cross as recorded by Albert Schweizer, when I was
discussing this subject with the head of the Bible Society.



No Resurrection
"What is wrong with you (Christian) folk?" Jesus is telling you in the most unambiguous
language that he is not a spirit - not spiritualised, not a resurrected person, and yet the
whole Christian world believes that he was resurrected, i.e. spiritualised. Who is lying, you
or him? How is it possible that you, each and every Christian, are reading your Bible in your
own mother tongue and yet each and every groups is made to understand the exact
opposite of what they are reading? If you read the Bible, say, in Hebrew, and pleaded that
you did not understand what you were reading, I can appreciate this fact. If you read it in
Greek and pleaded that you did not really understand the implications of what was written;
I can appreciate this fact also. But the anomaly is that you are reading the Book, each and
every one, in his own mother tongue, and are trained to understand the opposite of what is
written. How have you been brainwashed, or rather, how have you been "Programmed," as
the Americans would put it?

"Please tell me as to who is lying? Is it Jesus or a thousand million Christians of the world?
Jesus says: "No!" to his being resurrected, and all of you say: "Yes!" Whom are we Muslims
to believe, Jesus or his so called disciples? We Muslims would rather believe the Master. Did
he not say: "The disciple is not greater than the Master."? (Matthew 10:24)
This was more than the Reverend had bargained for. He politely excused himself by saying
that as he had to get ready to close his office, he would look forward to meeting me again.
This was sheer evasive politeness!

With the Bible Society, I won the debate but lost the discount! No more discount for me
from the Bible Society. But let my loss be your gain. If you dear reader, can remove a few
cobwebs from your thinking on the subject of the Crucifixion, I will be amply rewarded.
Now here are the verses discussed put together :

", Jesus himself stood in their midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you, But they were
terrified, and supposing that they were seeing a spirit, And he said unto them,, 'Behold
my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and
bones, as you see me have', And showed them his hands and feet, And while they yet
believed not for joy and wondered, he said unto them, 'Have ye here any meat?', And they
gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb, And he took it, and did eat before
them." (Luke 24:36-43)

if you ask a christian,where is Jesus?

he'd undoubtedly say he is in "heaven" and he went up.i.e after his alleged "crucifixion" and then the alleged "resurrection",Jesus stood somewhere and like a helicopter or rocket,ascended into the heavens.

if you dont know,let me give you a breaking news.the only place where Jesus is said to have "gone up" in the bible is in Mark chapter 16 (verses 9-20).

and even in Mark 16,all bibles relegate those verses to a footnote.from verses 9 to 20 where Jesus is described to have "ascended",the publishers of the bible clearly state:

["The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20".]

so if the most ancient accounts,do not have those verses,the question is :where did those verses come from into the latter texts of Mark chapter 16?

you can verify here by yourself:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%2016&version=NIV

as for Jesus being "ascended" after his alleged "crucifixion" and the alleged "resurrection",that based on the bible alone is a point of contention and can be disputed.that is the reason why Muhammad (sa) is the prophet/comforter after Jesus who glorified Jesus (as) and confirmed him.you need to read,believe in and depend on the Holy Quran for the truth and complete guidance.only the Quran clearly and unambiguiosly states that "God raised Jesus to Himself"!

the most important event in the christian belief system,the ascension of Jesus,is only recorded once in mark 16.all other books of the new testament have left it out or their authors did not witness or hear of it.even in mark 16,it is a matter of doubt as it appears as a footnote with clear words of doubt about the source of the account and its absence in more ancient manuscripts.in other words,the presence of an account of Jesus' ascension in mark 16 is questionable by its source and its presence there appears to either be the result of magic or someone added verses 9-20 by himself.

@Lagosshia,
I can see you do read the BIBLE even though you are a Muslim faithful. I encourage you to continue doing so. I want you to read this two chapters and react to it. Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 15:35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

Mark 15;34 says that Jesus said Eli [God Name]

Mark 15;35 say that the Jews said that Jesus said Elias [Name of Prophet of God].

The obvious thing is that the Jews must have heard wrongly. Is that what you are concluding?

If that's your conclusion, I agree with you that the Jews heard what they thought they heard, yet it was different from what was actually said.

This means what actually happened is different from what they thought happened. Speech is an action, a happening. Hearing is an action, a happening.

The Jews who were the eyewitnesses and listeners heard wrongly. then they witnessed wrongly.


This is actually in line with QURAN.

what actually happened and what the eyewitnesses concluded to have happened are two different things.

including the one on the stake, etc.

Mark 15;34 says that Jesus said Eli [God Name]

Mark 15;35 say that the Jews said that Jesus said Elias [Name of Prophet of God].

Just to say , all those verses you just quoted are corrupted so we cannot really be sure they are correct. Honestly how can you be sure a goat did not eat the original manuscripts  !!!


Muslims, funny people.

"Bible (im)morality"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-739876.0.html

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https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-729581.0.html

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https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-739850.0.html

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ogoamaka99:

@Lagosshia,
I can see you do read the BIBLE even though you are a Muslim faithful. I encourage you to continue doing so. I want you to read this two chapters and react to it. Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 15:35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

but they all "forsook him and fled" didn't they? so all their reporting about sixth and ninth hours are either from hearsay or from imagination (fabricated):

Matthew 26:56
But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

Mark 14:50
And they all forsook him, and fled.

LagosShia:

but they all "forsook him and fled" didn't they? so all their reporting about sixth and ninth hours are either from hearsay or from imagination (fabricated):

Matthew 26:56
But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

Mark 14:50
And they all forsook him, and fled.

I am sorry , we cannot use the bible new testament to support your statement above , it is corrupt and not reliable.

Muslims sef

frosbel:



I am sorry , we cannot use the bible new testament to support your statement above , it is corrupt and not reliable.

Muslims sef

thank God!