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| The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 8:52pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
NOTE:THE TOPIC IN THIS THREAD IS DISCUSSED AND ANALYSED IN 3 POSTS:POSTS #1,2 AND 4 First let us read the prophecy in the book of Daniel 2: Daniel 2 (King James Version) 1And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him. 2Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king. 3And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream. 4Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever: tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation. 5The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill. 6But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour: therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof. 7They answered again and said, Let the king tell his servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation of it. 8The king answered and said, I know of certainty that ye would gain the time, because ye see the thing is gone from me. 9But if ye will not make known unto me the dream, there is but one decree for you: for ye have prepared lying and corrupt words to speak before me, till the time be changed: therefore tell me the dream, and I shall know that ye can shew me the interpretation thereof. 10The Chaldeans answered before the king, and said, There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king's matter: therefore there is no king, lord, nor ruler, that asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or Chaldean. 11And it is a rare thing that the king requireth, and there is none other that can shew it before the king, except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh. 12For this cause the king was angry and very furious, and commanded to destroy all the wise men of Babylon. 13And the decree went forth that the wise men should be slain; and they sought Daniel and his fellows to be slain. 14Then Daniel answered with counsel and wisdom to Arioch the captain of the king's guard, which was gone forth to slay the wise men of Babylon: 15He answered and said to Arioch the king's captain, Why is the decree so hasty from the king? Then Arioch made the thing known to Daniel. 16Then Daniel went in, and desired of the king that he would give him time, and that he would shew the king the interpretation. 17Then Daniel went to his house, and made the thing known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions: 18That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon. 19Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven. 20Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: 21And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: 22He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him. 23I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter. 24Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation. 25Then Arioch brought in Daniel before the king in haste, and said thus unto him, I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation. 26The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, Art thou able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen, and the interpretation thereof? 27Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king; 28But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; 29As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass. 30But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart. 31Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32This image's head was of fine gold, his bosom and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. 36This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. [b] 37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. 39And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. 40And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. [/b] 46Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him. 47The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret. 48Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon. 49Then Daniel requested of the king, and he set Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, over the affairs of the province of Babylon: but Daniel sat in the gate of the king. 2 Likes |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Nobody: 8:54pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
hahahahhahahhahahhahahahahaha Corrupt Bible in use again by the Arabian Islamists !!!  |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 9:08pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
Islamic Interpretation:the Fifth Kingdom is the Islam According to the muslim scholar Dr. Sheikh Safar Abdur-rahman Al-Hawali,in his book titled: "The Day of Wrath", the fifth kingdom prophesized in the book of Daniel chapter 2 is the islam whose foundation was laid by the Prophet Muhammad (s) with God's permission and which later expanded across the world to defeat and consume the previous four kingdoms of idolatry,including the roman empire the then world power in those days.(note that the roman empire was strong and a conquering force under roman paganism even before its adoption of christianity.if we are to go both by an insight into history, and the succession of the five kingdoms based on the prophecy of Daniel 2,we clearly see the fulfillment of this prophecy with the coming of islam and its expansion in immediate succession to the roman empire,the fourth kingdom.first we would have to list the four kingdoms as we further explain base on the prophecy that the islamic empire is the fifth kingdom prophesized in the book of Daniel chapter 2. the book titled "The Day of Wrath" can be found here: http://www.alhawali.com/en/index.cfm?method=home.con&contentID=6471 THE FIVE KINGDOMS:
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| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Nobody: 9:13pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
Not true , the book of Daniel has been changed so many times, I cannot trust its contents. This shows that ISLAM is just plain false. How can you justify your religion on a book that is not reliable, a bible that has been changed so many times by scribes and spies. Wow !!!!! Your Imams are the most deluded fellows on planet earth. They say the bible is corrupted, yet on a daily basis they are frantically and desperately sifting through its pages and chapters for anything ( mostly out of context ) that justifies Muhammad. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 9:14pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
the above is the sequence of the kingdoms historically as prophecized by Daniel,the prophet.for us to justify that the islamic empire is the fifth we have to go back to the prophecy and see what it says:
in the above verses we should take into account the following: 1. the first kingdom is the kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar (babylonia);after his shall come a second,third and fourth,until God Himself sets up the fifth. 2. A kingdom inferior to Nebuchadnezzar's shall arise after Nebuchadnezzar's i.e. the Persian Empire which is the second kingdom 3. the events of the prophecy shall take place successively starting with Nebuchadnezzar's first kingdom.then,the persian empire and then the greek empire. 4. Roman Empire Augustus Caesar (27 B.C.E-14 C.E.) Fourth Kingdom (legs of iron,feet of iron and clay;the kingdom divided into west and east) 5. the kingdom of God:Islam the prophecy explains starting from the kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar (babylonia),the succession of a total of four kingdoms.the prophecy tells us of the fifth here:
let us emphasize the time factor the prophecy tells us:"and in the days of these kings".notice that describing the fifth kingdom,there is a striking difference between the fifth kingdom and the previous four.the fifth kingdom would be established by God and not by the will of men.the prophecy also clearly states that this kingdom would be established in the days of those kings in a successive and immediate manner. indeed the fifth kingdom is the [[islamic empire]] and it was established and it replaced the previous four kingdoms.the islamic empire was bigger than the roman empire,a world power and it consumed the lands and peoples of the previous four kingdoms by defeating them.it was only islam that defeated all the previous four and consumed them,both their lands and their peoples.and it was only islam that was started by a man (Muhammad) who claimed to be a prophet of God,the God of Mosesand Jesus.the muslim forces defeated and consumed the lands of all previous empires stated in the prophecy.the lands of babylonia under Nebuchadnezzar (presently kuwait and iraq),the lands of persia (present-day iran),the lands of the greeks and romans all find themsleves today as muslim countries.islam was not only a world power that defeated the romans in battle,but islam was successful to completely take over the persian empire,something the roman empire did not do.(note that the roman empire did not bring persia into non-existence or total submission,but notheless the roman empire was the fourth kingdom as it was the world power even as the persian empire was still managing to exist).constantinople,the byzantine seat of the east roman empire,was taken over by the muslim forces and today it still stands under muslim domination,the city of istanbul in muslim turkey.also,the lands that were captured by the muslims from the romans included egypt and jerusalem,the city all the previous empires had dominion over,thus a common factor. according to the prophecy: "and the kingdom shall not be left to other people".in all the lands conquered,there was cultural assimilation that presently all peoples conquered by the muslims in those lands had adopted islam and the majority of whom up to this day are not only muslims but also identify themselves as arabs.this was a phenomenon that took place with the coming of islam unlike the previous empires that ruled over peoples,only to later disappear and the peoples to be ruled by a sucessive empire of idolatry. the prophecy also tells us that:"and it shall stand for ever." forever shall those lands be muslim and the fifth kingdom shall never be defeated nor replaced by another people,culture or religion.the people of those lands who became muslims will continue to be in charge of those lands and rule themselves.eventhough the [ottoman empire]was dissolved after world war 1,the lands and peoples continue to identify themselves with islam.that is exactly what is meant in the prophecy that: "the kingdom shall not be left to other people".unlike the previous empires,with one replacing the other,with different languages,cultures and religions,when islam came those lands will never be anything but muslim lands with muslim peoples and muslim rulers even if political systems and dynasties change like was the case of the dissolved ottoman empire-which was divided into many muslim states,each with its own government and head. in an attempt by christians to explain this prophecy in total ignorance and sidelining of history and the rise of islam and its political,cultural and demographic domination,their exercise is not only done without an eye on history but also without keeping the prophecy in mind.the christians explain the prophecy based on preconceived ideas outside the scope of the prophecy and historical events.this is as a result of their refusal to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad and acknowledge the veracity of his claim as the final messenger of God and islam as the religion of God. according to the prophecy,the event of the kingdoms must be in succession chronologically.as we know today,the roman empire no longer exists.for us to still be waiting for the fourth kingdom to be replaced by an everlasting fifth (as the christians are still expecting that would be done with the second coming of Jesus) would render the prophecy void and create a time gap.the event must be in the days of those kings,says the prophecy and in immediate succession.many christians in explaining the prophecy altogether ignore the important historical events of the coming of islam and its sweeping across the lands of all the previous kingdoms and the survival of those lands up to this days as muslim lands with muslim peoples. those (christians) who take the islamic empire into perspective in their interpretation would have no choice but to either distort the prophecy deliberately or to accept that islam was prophesized by Daniel and the islamic empire was the fifth kingdom according to the prophecy http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/PDFs/Daniel's%20Fifth%20Kingdom-Ch-2.pdf some : do take islam into perspective when misinterpreting the prophecy and therefore do not accept the islamic empire is the fifth kingdom of the prophecy:they try to merge islam with the fourth kingdom (the roman empire) by dividing the descriptions of the fourth kingdom in the prophecy to fit and accomodate the islamic empire.the prophecy describes the fourth kingdom with "iron legs" and "feet of partly iron and partly clay".the prophecy also correctly described the division of the fourth kingdom which occurred to the roman empire,a division into west and east.those who deliberately mistranslate the prophecy and take islam into a wrong perspective,use the "iron legs" description to describe the roman empire and the "feet of partly iron and partly clay" to describe the islamic empire;note that both descriptions describe one kingdom i.e. the fourth kingdom and not the fifth.if we are to add the islamic empire with the fourth (the roman empire),then we are counting six kingdoms (on this prophecy) and not five which will no doubt take us out of the bounds of the prophecy in view.therefore as history shows,the islamic empire is the fifth kingdom that arose after the fourth,i.e. the roman empire. by the prophecy describing the fifth kingdom in the days of those kings,that it would be set up by God Himself,that was the event that took place by God sending his messenger,Muhammad,a mercy to humanity (as the quran calls him) who brought islam to put a stop to the kingdoms of idoltry and their grip over jerusalem;and whose empire later swept across the middle east from the arabian peninsula,to europe and africa in the west and asia to the east.islam have consumed the lands and assimilated the peoples of the previous four kingdoms and still today stands with its image and identity over those lands conquered from the previous four kingdoms.up to this day,those lands and peoples are still muslims and they will always be as the prophecy tells us.if this prophecy is interpreted correctly based on history and what the prophecy itself says (i.e. not notions outside the prophecy and history),the chapter 2 of the book of Danaiel is sufficient to convince both christians (of all denominations) and jews about the divine nature of islam. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Nobody: 9:14pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
Not true , the book of Daniel has been changed so many times, I cannot trust its contents. This shows that ISLAM is just plain false. How can you justify your religion on a book that is not reliable, a bible that has been changed so many times by scribes and spies. Wow !!!!! Your Imams are the most deluded fellows on planet earth. They say the bible is corrupted, yet on a daily basis they are frantically and desperately sifting through its pages and chapters for anything ( mostly out of context ) that justifies Muhammad. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 9:25pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
frosbel: "And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, ‘Peace!’ (salaam)." [Al-Qur’an 25:63] |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Nobody: 10:24pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
I respect your tone, both of us are no longer at 'war' , But on a more serious note I mean what I said earlier. How can we start a discussion based on inaccurate texts ! |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 10:31pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
frosbel: you have being given the answer countless times before.your aim of asking is not meant to find the answer but to divert the topic. therefore,my reply to you since answers do not matter to you right now,when you become a Muslim (inshaAllah) you will know the answer again and it will remain in your heart and mind forever.i pray for your guidance! |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Martinxmart(m): 10:44pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
I believe in One heavenly creator and The king of Kings who sent satan out of heaven, Be it christianity of islam or jewish, all you need to understand is that we pray to one heavenly Father, The enemy here is the NWO, |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Martinxmart(m): 10:46pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
I believe in One heavenly creator and The king of Kings who sent satan out of heaven, Be it christianity of islam or jewish, all you need to understand is that we pray to one heavenly Father, The enemy here is the NWO, |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by lepasharon(f): 2:39am On Oct 02, 2011 |
To hell with Islam,may America bomb islam into the stone age. 1 Like |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Sweetnecta: 3:30am On Oct 02, 2011 |
^^^^^^^^^^^ Yah Kno. One would expect lepa people to be peace loving because they don't have the body to handle fight like orobo. this sharon is a different lepa all together. we have been hoping some maniac will try to invade Makka, so that inchaAllah the defeat of Abraha that was recorded in 'The Elephant' in the Quran can come to live. Sharon, sisi, when you hate a place, you wish that her military fight God by trying to conquer Makka. We who love america will always hope your prayers of evil for america will never be accepted. Amin. those who live in america do not want her downfall. you don't care for america. if there is disaster that afflicts her, we feel it, you don't but watch it from afar. its the shoes. i know its too heavy. so the body gets tired and all kind of talks just flow out. yah kno. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 10:03am On Oct 02, 2011 |
lepasharon: stop polluting the thread.america with all its might can never face islam.whatever they do is behind the curtain of fighting so called "terrorism". besides no one really cares about what you wish or think. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Joagbaje(m): 6:22pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
@lagoshia 1.) Babylonia- Nebuchadnezzar (from 630-562 B.C.E.) First Kingdom (head of gold) You made a good poit about the 5 kingdoms, I think youre biblically accurate in your interpretation. Except that your "day of wrath and war" can you clarify that ! |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 7:21pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
Joagbaje: the book "day of wrath" got nothing to do with this thread.what is expressed in that book is the opinion of its author.i only made reference of it since the prophecy of Daniel 2 is also mentioned in there.i do not necessarily agree with all the content of the book or even the person that wrote the book himself. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 8:23pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
Joagbaje: so based on the above sentence of confirmation,are we soon having a new brother in Islam called "Joagbaje"?  |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by aletheia(m): 8:57pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
@topic: |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 9:08pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
aletheia: @YOU |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Sweetnecta: 9:14pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
@ the greek guy; Far out. Who let you out on Sunday? You must have smuggled out or is the outing pass now only a couple of nairas? The topic you are to contribute you run away from. people are expecting you to provide the name of your holy ghost. we already know you can't swear an oath for your faith. i demonstrated from the Quran that holy spirit identifies himself as a messenger of God. Jesus did the same thing, too. There dies your Trinity and rendered islamic holy Spirit and Massiah as messengers [as] of God [SWA]. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by aletheia(m): 9:20pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
@sweetnecta |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Nobody: 9:26pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
On a more serious note, I should have taken cue and left these guys to their diverse ramblings, but sometimes it's tempting to make a remark or 2 with articles such as this one. My logic is, bible is corrupt. Let us agree for argument sake, but why use this same bible to justify Muhammad and ISLAM. I am most confused at this trend with Muslims !!! |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 10:32pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
frosbel: i have replied you in this thread and previously elsewhere.but since this topic is very important and it proves the veracity of islam,i will try my best to make sure no one cast any doubt.for the sake of those who do not know,i will answer your question indepthly. the bible as a whole is indeed corrupt and has being tampered with.therefore it is not the "infallible word of God" as the Quran is.that can be seen through internal evidence from the bible itself and from external evidence in terms of manuscripts and science. your question is why do muslims still bring out verses from it and present it to convince the christians since the bible is corrupt? firstly when the muslim presents those verses,he does so not to convince fellow muslims that islam is the truth.the muslim uses the bible to present islam as a kind gesture to our christian brothers.christians see the bible as the "word of God" and they believe in the bible.so it would be unreasonable for muslims to use the Quran to convince christians on particular issues.christians believe in the bible,so for them it is authoritative. this is even more the case,because we muslims also believe in Jesus (as) and other biblical prophets (as).therefore using the bible to bring out verses that support islam and where those previous prophets (as) proved that they were muslims is important to demonstrate our conncetion and truthfulness and also to convince christians that those prophets and men of God in the bible were like us muslims and not like you christians,who in all your 1001 sects and denomination are polytheists and idolators. you may still ask us,how do we accuse the bible on the one hand of being corrupt and on the other hand use it to support islam? are we not contradicting ourselves? the answer definitely is a big NO! then how so? we are not contradicting ourselves.our stance on the bible itself is the following: we believe that the bible contains at least up to 4 types of verses. the first type are verses that are truly the word of God and they are consistent with Quranic teachings.example: Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. the second type of verses found in the bible are those attributed to prophets based on what God taught them.example: Mark 9:23 "'If you can'?" said Jesus. "Everything is possible for him who believes." the third type of verses found in the bible are the words of fallible men who are the scribes or historians.examples: Mathew 9:9 "As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him". (note that we are supposed to believe that the writer of the "book of Mathew" is Mathew himself according to christians,even thought we do know that the author is anonymous). Deuteronomy 34:7 "Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone". (note that we are meant to believe that it was Moses himself who authored Deuteronomy.one wonders how Moses could have written that he was 120 years old when he died after he had died!) the fourth type of verses are verses that were tailored by the church either through adding or editing.when you compare the bible version of one church to the version of another church,you will clearly see that something is wrong as the passages of the same verse are either not consistent or are totally absent in the other's.those verses are tailored to fit church teachings and doctrines. two examples: the catholic church and the doctrine of the trinity in the catholic version of the bible-(see below in quote)
the Jehovah's wtinesses and their belief in "Binity" in the 'New World Translation' version of the bible the witnesses use they do not believe in trinity but they however believe Jesus is divine.they also play with words to establish their doctrine in the bible. John 1:1 "In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god". John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him". the highlighted words (in the above two verses) are not found in other versions.they are interpolations added by them to establish Jesus' divinity since they deny the trinity and believe trinity is unbiblical. furthermore,the tetragrammaton from which the word "Jehovah" is derived (a word nonexistent before the 16th century),does not appear once in the greek manuscripts of the new testament.they have replaced anywhere the words "lord" and "god" are found with "Jehovah" on the supposition that the word could have being lost from hebrew or aramaic during translation and writing into greek.all this is to establish their belief in what they believe to be the only "unique name of God".if Jesus did not utter the word they believe the name of God is,then alot can be said.and if the most basic knowledge which is the name of God is supposedly lost in the new testament as they try to explain why it is absent,then how many more complex things,narrations and words could also have gone missing? i will conclude by quoting the bible as evidence against itself: Jeremiah 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". 1 Like |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 10:36pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
dear "frosbel" i hope that after the above reply which is detailed to answer all your wondering,you do not repeat this same question again as you're fond of doing.repetition of lies and allegations and doubts is your trademark. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 6:52pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
"frosbel", (snifing), the rat has escaped!!! |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by lepasharon(f): 5:46pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
Its funny how muslims say the bible is corrupt but yet there are over 19 interpretations of the quran nd the Shiites nd sunnis cant come together nd they got the nerve to point fingers at the protestants nd the different sects,awon hypocrites! |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by plappville(f): 8:52pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
The same bible that has been currupted by Moha has a true professies of Islam while everthing said by Jesus in the bible is false  This LagosShia is a confussed dreamer hahaha, bombing in target only Ghost fire scares the islams away hahah!! |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 9:44pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
lepasharon: first,interpretations can be in the thousands,that does not make a book textually corrupt. secondly,i am not aware of the "19 interpretations" you mentioned.the split between shia and sunni,first started as political and it did not start over the Quran.sunni and shia did not split over the question "who has 'holy ghost' and who does not" and other imaginative religious issues. amazing that when you people are caught and the truth of islam showed to you,you bring up redherrings to divert the topic from its focus. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by Nobody: 9:45pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
LagosShia: |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 9:47pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
plappville: may be you dont read english well or you dont understand.french is your problem.go to a french forum.or may be the new confused IDs are cover-ups for " frosbel" since the "frosbel" username is now ineffective in spreading nonsense and non one gives it attention. read again my post where i explained the issues surrounding the bible well and the muslim position regarding the bible: LagosShia: |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by LagosShia: 9:49pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
frosbel: so now you're laughing? i thought you became "serious" and asked a "serious" question to which you wanted a "serious" reply? it has being given.but you turn a blind eye. |
| Re: The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book "DANIEL 2" Is Islam! by plappville(f): 9:55pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
What? Even the French bible version was currupted by Moha, any prophecy that proved Islam in the bible is the verse that told us about Moha false teaching hahaha, muslimom, dont crack ur brain we know the truth of Moha. No more fool to decieve with DANIEL 2 |
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