@ OP
I think you are a fool

Christian/JW- I found these interesting
http://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses
http://www.craom.net/

If you're JW, I don't hate you  , was once one of you(not officially though).

@macayub
Thanks man, I won't make that mistake again.
Honestly- thanks.

Docjay487:

If you're JW, I don't hate you , was once one of you(not officially though).

Well . . . if not officially, then you certainly weren't one . . .

A point to note: JWs have an explanantion for the 'inspiration' (in their publications) as compared to that of the bible. But, these sources are interesting, as are tons of JW assertions and prophecies.

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Docjay487: [b]
1874 was exact date of our Lord's return. (The Time
Is At Hand, pg 170)

1914 marked the battle of the great day of God
almighty with the complete overthrow of the earth's
rulership. (The Time Is At Hand, pg 101)

1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other Old Testament
patriarchs were resurrected and are now living on
earth. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pg 336)

1940 ushered the end of religion and with it the
complete downfall of satan's organization. (Religion
pg. 336)

1975 marked the end of 6,000 years of human history
and started the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ -
the millennium. (Life Everlasting in the Freedom of
the Sons of God, pg 29,30)
__________________________

Q: -What is a false prophet?
__________________________
   -At the time of these prophecies(?) did they

claim    being 'inspired'?
   -are we still to believe their claims of 

'inspiration'?

corrections? comments? objectios?____ All are

welcome.[/b]

Good question, Doctor.

The witnesses aint false prophets....

They weren't prophesying,they were only trying to allign biblical prophecies to the times we are living in.....

That's all the witnesses do.....

They make sure that biblical prophecies are truly authentic.......

They are keen to see an end to this wicked world....

They are keen to see all the prophecies associated with the last days being fulfilled and how it'll all culminate to the great day of the almighty.......

They mite have had some wrong interpretations,that doesn't mean the bible which was there source is wrong......

We all have a lot to see from biblical prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled.....

There are other groups of people who also engage in observing how bible chronology Is beneficial @ this time of the end.......

The witnesses are keen observers of the signs Jesus gave that will occur for us to be convinced the end is near....

Apart from biblical prophecies that d witnesses try to understand and decipher ,they don't come out to give prophecies that will tickle people's ears....

The witnesses don't engage in d story telling of what hell and heaven looks like,just like the way many do today....

The witnesses don't engage in the modern day pattern of prophesying into peoples lives,telling persons they'll be prosperous materially.....

The witnesses don't engage in telling gullible people that a winch is depriving an individual from progressing,,,....

The witnesses don't come out to engage in the spurious prophecies of how a nation or country will be blessed by God(just like d way many persons give prophecies about nigeria),when ofcus we know from revelations that a disastrous end awaits earthly governments..........

The witnesses don't wake up to tell u that we dreamnt and saw a vision.....no!!!!!

All the witnesses do is stick to biblical prophecies and see how they apply to our time......

As d day goes by more and more prophecies found in daniel,revelations and the prophets will keep getting clearer and fulfilled...........

U can criticize d witnesses of being false prophets.....

But I gotta let u know 1 thing.....

While d rest of the world keeps wallowing in the worlds pursuit and hoping for a day when humans can solve our problems and also doubting how authentic bible prophecies are,the witnesses are ever determined to be strengthened by the fulfillment of past prophecies recorded in the bible and future ones to come....

U shuld be occupied with deciphering how bIble prophecies that are soon to be fulfilled will take place,because that's what the witnesses are doing....

our thoughts are within d boundaries of prophecies recorded in the bible,and not some hallucinations....

Thank u

ijawkid: The witnesses aint false prophets....

They weren't prophesying,they were only trying to allign biblical prophecies to the times we are living in.....

That's all the witnesses do.....

They make sure that biblical prophecies are truly authentic.......

They are keen to see an end to this wicked world....

They are keen to see all the prophecies associated with the last days being fulfilled and how it'll all culminate to the great day of the almighty.......

They mite have had some wrong interpretations,that doesn't mean the bible which was there source is wrong......

We all have a lot to see from biblical prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled.....

There are other groups of people who also engage in observing how bible chronology Is beneficial @ this time of the end.......

The witnesses are keen observers of the signs Jesus gave that will occur for us to be convinced the end is near....

Apart from biblical prophecies that d witnesses try to understand and decipher ,they don't come out to give prophecies that will tickle people's ears....

The witnesses don't engage in d story telling of what hell and heaven looks like,just like the way many do today....

The witnesses don't engage in the modern day pattern of prophesying into peoples lives,telling persons they'll be prosperous materially.....

The witnesses don't engage in telling gullible people that a winch is depriving an individual from progressing,,,....

The witnesses don't come out to engage in the spurious prophecies of how a nation or country will be blessed by God(just like d way many persons give prophecies about nigeria),when ofcus we know from revelations that a disastrous end awaits earthly governments..........

The witnesses don't wake up to tell u that we dreamnt and saw a vision.....no!!!!!

All the witnesses do is stick to biblical prophecies and see how they apply to our time......

As d day goes by more and more prophecies found in daniel,revelations and the prophets will keep getting clearer and fulfilled...........

U can criticize d witnesses of being false prophets.....

But I gotta let u know 1 thing.....

While d rest of the world keeps wallowing in the worlds pursuit and hoping for a day when humans can solve our problems and also doubting how authentic bible prophecies are,the witnesses are ever determined to be strengthened by the fulfillment of past prophecies recorded in the bible and future ones to come....

U shuld be occupied with deciphering how bIble prophecies that are soon to be fulfilled will take place,because that's what the witnesses are doing....

our thoughts are within d boundaries of prophecies recorded in the bible,and not some hallucinations....

Thank u

The question is: What is a false prophet? You don't need to go off the rail.

OLAADEGBU:

The question is: What is a false prophet? You don't need to go off the rail.

U define it and tell me how d witnesses are false prophets....I aint derailing this post...

I've been seen many posts about this issue but I always smile .....and I know ur all out to deride the witnesses......right??

That's why I told u all that......

Our blueprint is d bible...if our expectation of the fulfillment of a bible prophecy doesn't happen d way we thought it wuld happen,then we go back to the blueprint to fully decipher what went wrong......

Witnesses aint prophets,.....all prophecies are embedded in the bible....all we do is decipher how they would come to pass and anticipate them.....

I want to boldly tell u.........

""JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ARENT PROPHETS IN THE 1st place""

We are simply bible students....

Hope u get that??.....

That's why I like buzugee a lot...

He's into bible chronology and the end time prophecies.....I like that!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that does is strengthen ones faith in the bibles authenticity and kindles ones awareness as to the times we are living in....

Its not like we even make money from it....lol....

ijawkid:

U define it and tell me how d witnesses are false prophets....I aint derailing this post...

I've been seen many posts about this issue but I always smile .....and I know ur all out to deride the witnesses......right??

That's why I told u all that......

Our blueprint is d bible...if our expectation of the fulfillment of a bible prophecy doesn't happen d way we thought it wuld happen,then we go back to the blueprint to fully decipher what went wrong......

Witnesses aint prophets,.....all prophecies are embedded in the bible....all we do is decipher how they would come to pass and anticipate them.....

I want to boldly tell u.........

""JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ARENT PROPHETS IN THE 1st place""

We are simply bible students....

Hope u get that??.....

That's why I like buzugee a lot...

He's into bible chronology and the end time prophecies.....I like that!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that does is strengthen ones faith in the bibles authenticity and kindles ones awareness as to the times we are living in....

Its not like we even make money from it....lol....

If the bolded above is the case what do you say about what your Society published in one of their earlier magazines that I quote below?

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? . . . He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" —The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197

http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/wt-4-1-1972-p197.pdf

Do you guys all speak with one voice at all or is it that you have changed your beliefs?

Docjay487: [b]
1874 was exact date of our Lord's return. (The Time
Is At Hand, pg 170)

1914 marked the battle of the great day of God
almighty with the complete overthrow of the earth's
rulership. (The Time Is At Hand, pg 101)

1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other Old Testament
patriarchs were resurrected and are now living on
earth. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pg 336)

1940 ushered the end of religion and with it the
complete downfall of satan's organization. (Religion
pg. 336)

1975 marked the end of 6,000 years of human history
and started the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ -
the millennium. (Life Everlasting in the Freedom of
the Sons of God, pg 29,30)
__________________________

Q: -What is a false prophet?
__________________________
   -At the time of these prophecies(?) did they

claim    being 'inspired'?
   -are we still to believe their claims of 

'inspiration'?

corrections? comments? objectios?____ All are

welcome.[/b]

where there is a dead body vultures will gather.

Guy, i hope you are not sent by oladegbu/nimshi/JW detrators?

Are you sure that what you have posted is exactly what the JW said?

Have you try finding out if what the JW base their calculation is not found in the bible?

Am aware that the disciple of christ have always wanted to know when the end will come and christ gave them signs, then added that no one knows the day and hour which the JW never claim to know, acts 1:6,7.

If what they base their calculation in is the bible are you saying bible prophesy are false?

To help our understanding Jesus gave signs that will mark the last days and the bible are filled with such signs.

The JW to the best of my knowledge are saying that this are bible prophesy that shows that we are living in the last days that people should sit up.

Are you saying that those prophesy should not be brought out?

Are you saying that people should not be warned?

That people should not know about this prophesy contain in the bible.

That all that matters is prosperity?

That christiandom is not interested in those prophesy and calculation means that God made a mistake for putting them there?

Do you take the bible as God's word?

Are you saying that we are not living in the last days?

Are you saying that God'skingdom will not come again?

Are there no prophesy in the bible?

This is JW web site pls confirm those from those publications for yourself.

www.watchtower.org

peace

truthislight:

where there is a dead body vultures will gather.

Guy, i hope you are not sent by oladegbu/nimshi/JW detrators?

Are you sure that what you have posted is exactly what the JW said?

Have you try finding out if what the JW base their calculation is not found in the bible?

Am aware that the disciple of christ have always wanted to know when the end will come and christ gave them signs, then added that no one knows the day and hour which the JW never claim to know, acts 1:6,7.

If what they base their calculation in is the bible are you saying bible prophesy are false?

To help our understanding Jesus gave signs that will mark the last days and the bible are filled with such signs.

The JW to the best of my knowledge are saying that this are bible prophesy that shows that we are living in the last days that people should sit up.

Are you saying that those prophesy should not be brought out?

Are you saying that people should not be warned?

That people should not know about this prophesy contain in the bible.

That all that matters is prosperity?

That christiandom is not interested in those prophesy and calculation means that God made a mistake for putting them there?

Do you take the bible as God's word?

Are you saying that we are not living in the last days?

Are you saying that God'skingdom will not come again?

Are there no prophesy in the bible?

This is JW web site pls confirm those from those publications for yourself.

www.watchtower.org

peace

That these are the last days or the unfulfilled prophecies are not the bone of contention on this thread. The Lord Jesus Christ did not give an exact time, date or year. If your Society that is claimed to be the only Prophet of God are stating dates in their past failed prophecies what does that make them?

OLAADEGBU:

That these are the last days or the unfulfilled prophecies are not the bone of contention on this thread. The Lord Jesus Christ did not give an exact time, date or year. If your Society that is claimed to be the only Prophet of God are stating dates in their past failed prophecies what does that make them?

JW dont fixed the date of the end or do they say they know the date.

They only explain bible prophesy.

That cant be a crime!

it is the detractors that make/assign dates to JW explanations of bible prophesie.

They bring to people notice what has come to pass as a watchman will do.

There are so many prophesy to this effect.

People have to be well inform so that they cant have any excuse of not knowing we are in the last days.

@OLAADEGBU,

here i come again on this thread, you absconded from the trinity tread isn'nt it? and your co surporter ubenedictus ihedinobi expecially has announced on the tread that 'trinity' is undefended in the bible, and thats how far they could go on the tread,

now,
To start with here,im not yet a jehovahs witnesses, but i have made a wide reseach into their activities for years,i found no other organisation now that can be compared with them, well thats my opinion,as far as im concerned,further reseaches are still in progress, and based on my convinction , i have allowed my wife and children to join, and willing to join myself as soon as possible when i resigned my present job,i have already set up my own company now and its doing well.

so back to business,

If the bolded above is the case what do you say about what your Society published in one of their earlier magazines that I quote below?

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? . . . He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" —The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197

http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/wt-4-1-1972-p197.pdf

Do you guys all speak with one voice at all or is it that you have changed your beliefs?

you have been asked a simple question here, and you should have given an answer to question that!which is 'what is a false prophet'? give 'your own defination' and not using a reference for the defination here is laughable, unless in your own words 'what is a false prophet'? waiting for your defination pls.thanks.

one thing that baffles me among the JW is their obvious denial of fact frm their magazine that is even written in English. Virtually all the watchtower magazines quoted or referenced here are published by WTBTS unless u guys want to tell the whole world there is another fake watchtower publisher somewhere. Its very pathetic wen pple choose to live in denial even when an evidence is brought before dem. i once stumble into a 1984 published watchtower magazine title: 'living forever in paradise earth'. The magazine said very clearly that the generatn that see world war 1 will live to see armagedon. Instead of scrutinizing the magazines quoted to see if wat they are bein accused of is true or false, dey will rather turn a blind eye and keep defendin lies. Na wa for some pple. Truly lying is infectios, if JW GB can be lying im not suprised if there adherents do same.

OLAADEGBU:

That these are the last days or the unfulfilled prophecies are not the bone of contention on this thread. The Lord Jesus Christ did not give an exact time, date or year. If your Society that is claimed to be the only Prophet of God are stating dates in their past failed prophecies what does that make them?

If witnesses in d past due to lil mis-understanding of bible chronology drew into conclusion when an end will come how does that make them false prophets??

Today we are convinced from the scriptures that no one knows d day and hour not even Jesus........

If u choose to dwell on the mistakes of witnesses and dragging them down till today ur definitly on ur own........

Witnesses adjust to bible understanding when its clear....we aint stiff necked ........

Or wuld u rather want us to hug and romance past understandings and wallow in them??

Like I told u,Jehovahs witnesses are not prophets....we are bible students.......

Don't u get it??

We are not prophets........

we observe and study d bible to see how they apply to our times......

Isn't that what a bible student does??

OLAADEGBU:

If the bolded above is the case what do you say about what your Society published in one of their earlier magazines that I quote below?

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? . . . He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" —The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197

http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/prophecy/wt-4-1-1972-p197.pdf

Do you guys all speak with one voice at all or is it that you have changed your beliefs?

A prophet is a teacher and one who warns the wicked about an imminent destruction isn't it??

Witnesses teach and preach d goodnews don't we??

We preach 24/7 about armageddon and anything concerning it.......

I'm happy that d watchtower u quoted talked about prophets who engage in warning the populace about Gods coming anger on the wicked.....

That's exactly what d witnesses do...

Has there been anytime a witness knocks on d door of anybody and deliberate on frivolities??

We talk about the lastdays and armageddon....

We warn peoples......

Round d world that's what witnesses do....

We are known for talking about the end times like no other organization....

If I warn the nations of today that an impending destruction is soon to befall the earth,what would u call me??

Like I said it depends on how u wanna define a prophet.......

We are not prophets in the sense of waking up one morning and saying God spoke to us,or we had a vision or that we dreamnt....NOOO!!!!!!!!!!.........

We study prophecies in d bible,try to decipher what they mean for our times and warn d public.....

I have not seen any organization that warns governments and world rulers of what Gods kingdom would do to human governments like the witnesses do......we are out spoken,we warn people,we preach about armageddon...


One who declares Yahwehs warnings to the wicked is a prophet.......

Thank u!!!!!!!

If our understanding of bible calculations had some errors like I said we go back to the same bible,match it with world occurences and see where we lacked understanding......

And so our knowledge grows further....

Anything that has to do with the lastdays and what will culminate to Christs return is what is of utmost concern to us......nothing more nothing less.......

@ola.......I see that ur good @ attacking the witnesses,....that's ok......

But truthfully I'll tell u today,that I have never seen a worldwide organization that follows every of Jesus's footsteps like the witnesses do....

Despite the fact that we had some flaws regarding our understandings of some bible prophecies,I still can't find any group that'll will devote there time and energy into d preaching and warning work like. The witnesses.....I am yet to see........

A group of christians who will choose to remain neutral to d worlds affairs and preach unrelentlessly to persons globally has got to be following Christ who engaged in this same warning and preaching work......

I can truthfully tell u that organized christianity lost its unity after all the 1st century christians passed away....

But I'm sure that b4 the world ends there must be a true religion....

Jehovahs witnesses day in day out strive to meet up with all of the bibles standards and words of Jesus.....

We are still on that race........

Ur a deeper lifer....I found out in one of ur posts.........

And I saw u trying to defend ur church...its normal...

The witnesses aint prophets in the way u think,we are prophets in the sense that we warn the wicked......

Just like noah,jeremiah,Jesus and d apostles we warn mankind of what is to come as we've read from the bible not from a dream....

ijawkid:

If witnesses in d past due to lil mis-understanding of bible chronology drew into conclusion when an end will come how does that make them false prophets??

Today we are convinced from the scriptures that no one knows d day and hour not even Jesus........

If u choose to dwell on the mistakes of witnesses and dragging them down till today ur definitly on ur own........

Witnesses adjust to bible understanding when its clear....we aint stiff necked ........

Or wuld u rather want us to hug and romance past understandings and wallow in them??

Like I told u,Jehovahs witnesses are not prophets....we are bible students.......

Don't u get it??

We are not prophets........

we observe and study d bible to see how they apply to our times......

Isn't that what a bible student does??

Ijawkid pls r u now sayin dat JW now have a better understandin of Bible chronology unlike before that they didnt hav a good understanding? Do u knw the millions of pple dat were misled owing to this gross misunderstanding? Wat apology did they offer for their errors? Wat is the tendency dat wat they believe today as truth wont be false tomorrow? The fact is that before u release any info to the public u must do a good scrutiny and ensure that wat u r tellin the publc is true. My bone of contention is that if other dates that the JW GB fixed had been assumed false, why are they still keepin to the 1914 dogma. If 1918; 1925; 1975; 1984 had all bein nullified as 'misunderstandin', wat about 1914?

I asked this same question on the other thread would you care to answer it?

Do you agree that Jehovah will put all false prophets to shame? by not bringing to pass their false prophecy? Do you also agree that false prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling ashamed to conceal the reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are? Let your magazine speak.

"Jehovah, the God of the true prophets, will put all false prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self-assuming prophets or by having His own prophecies fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets. False prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are.”—
" — Paradise Restored to Mankind—By Theocracy!, 1972, pp. 353-354

true2god: Ijawkid pls r u now sayin dat JW now have a better understandin of Bible chronology unlike before that they didnt hav a good understanding? Do u knw the millions of pple dat were misled owing to this gross misunderstanding? Wat apology did they offer for their errors? Wat is the tendency dat wat they believe today as truth wont be false tomorrow? The fact is that before u release any info to the public u must do a good scrutiny and ensure that wat u r tellin the publc is true. My bone of contention is that if other dates that the JW GB fixed had been assumed false, why are they still keepin to the 1914 dogma. If 1918; 1925; 1975; 1984 had all bein nullified as 'misunderstandin', wat about 1914?

Ohhhh!!!!

Are u waiting for a public apology??

Just tell me...

Is that what u want??

Many persons who were witnesses back then are still witnesses till date....

Why u may ask.....

Because in all the end is what each and every1 was anticipating....which in itself was not bad........

Now we understand perfectly that no one knows d day and hour....the scriptures helped us.......

But not withstanding we preach about armageddon and d end.......

That is it........!!!!!!

I can see that its all about those dates....


If the witnesses have grown past those dates then u shuld too.......

So an apology would have made u less angry with the witnesses?

There are certain truths and facts that the witnesses can and will never change....

Doctrines like the trinity,hell fire,purgatory,celebration of xmas, etc are stands we can never change......

But as far as prophecies in d bible are concerned continous learning takes place....

As we speak there are definitly prophecies in d bible that must take place b4 d end comes...

And d witnesses observe and understand better each passing day.......

So thank u,!!!!!!!!!!

true2god: Ijawkid pls r u now sayin dat JW now have a better understandin of Bible chronology unlike before that they didnt hav a good understanding? Do u knw the millions of pple dat were misled owing to this gross misunderstanding? Wat apology did they offer for their errors? Wat is the tendency dat wat they believe today as truth wont be false tomorrow? The fact is that before u release any info to the public u must do a good scrutiny and ensure that wat u r tellin the publc is true. My bone of contention is that if other dates that the JW GB fixed had been assumed false, why are they still keepin to the 1914 dogma. If 1918; 1925; 1975; 1984 had all bein nullified as 'misunderstandin', wat about 1914?

i thought you have a bible, why not do the research for your self.

Are you saying that all the prosperity promise by all you mog have all come through?

The information you guys present are twisted and have distorted the what was said.

All the JW says is from the bible.

You guys carry the bible but dont even know what it contains.

How then will you help others?

Are you saying that the WITNESES are God himself?

You expect perfection from a human like you.

Except Jesus which of God prophet did not even made mistake?

Deceitful argument,

by their fruit you will know them. QED

truthislight:

i thought you have a bible, why not do the research for your self.

Are you saying that all the prosperity promise by all you mog have all come through?

The information you guys present are twisted and have distorted the what was said.

All the JW says is from the bible.

You guys carry the bible but dont even know what it contains.

How then will you help others?

Are you saying that the WITNESES are God himself?

You expect perfection from a human like you.

Except Jesus which of God prophet did not even made mistake?

Deceitful argument,

by their fruit you will know them. QED

My argument here is this, if the JW GB had nullified all other dates as 'misunderstandin' why are they still stickin to their 1914 trade mark? If they are human beings that make mistakes by quotin and giving bogus date as an interpertation to the fulfilment of bible prophecy, nullified other dates as 'mistakes' and upheld 1914 as truth, wats the rationale behind retaining 1914? Is it not the same 'research' that gave right to 1914 gave right to other nullified dates? Unless u dnt want to admit the inconsistencies in ur doctrines, JW r renouned for. Admitted, pple make mistakes but had there been anytime JW GB aplogiz for their mistakes? The ansa is No. If someone cannot aplogiz for mistakes dat shws dat hes bent on continue makin the same mistakes. If u want to be honest hw r u sure they wont change some of their present beliefs in 5 yr time. Anyway u r not in the position to ansa because wat u r meant to accept as true or false is handed down to u frm brooklyn, NY.

true2god: My argument here is this, if the JW GB had nullified all other dates as 'misunderstandin' why are they still stickin to their 1914 trade mark? If they are human beings that make mistakes by quotin and giving bogus date as an interpertation to the fulfilment of bible prophecy, nullified other dates as 'mistakes' and upheld 1914 as truth, wats the rationale behind retaining 1914? Is it not the same 'research' that gave right to 1914 gave right to other nullified dates? Unless u dnt want to admit the inconsistencies in ur doctrines, JW r renouned for. Admitted, pple make mistakes but had there been anytime JW GB aplogiz for their mistakes? The ansa is No. If someone cannot aplogiz for mistakes dat shws dat hes bent on continue makin the same mistakes. If u want to be honest hw r u sure they wont change some of their present beliefs in 5 yr time. Anyway u r not in the position to ansa because wat u r meant to accept as true or false is handed down to u frm brooklyn, NY.

I can see....all u want us if for the witnesses to crawl down to the media and apologize.....isn't it??

Can u please pick out one belief that u tink might be adjusted in times to come??

Like I said bible prophecies which are soon to be fulfilled gets clearer each passing day...

What u fail to know is that as events unfold d witnesses go back to do more home work...

Its not like we swindle people or make money out of these.....neither do we kill people in the course of our perusing into bible chronology....

Our drive is the same drive d apostles had who really wanted to know about the times and seasons.......

No witness today would knock @ ur door and start talkin about 19 this and that.....

Those are by-gones......we are wiser and more knowledgeble than we were.....

We forge ahead with our perceptions being limited to bible writings....

Jehovahs witnesses are always keen to see how bible facts agree with modern day history and also past.....

That is what bible students do.....

If not we did not commit any crime.....did we??

U ofcus know how much we've delved into biblical prophecies concerning d book of daniel and revelation....its all our insatiable drive for truths found in d scriptures......

We don't dream nor see visions like I'v always made it known on this post.....

We just peer into what d bible has in store for mankind.....remember even angels are interested too....

U guys are taking this whole date issue like its a do or die affair....

There are many reasons why I associate with the witnesses and 1914 is not even one of them.....there are far more important truths the witnesses uphold and practice that has dragged many to them.........

there's one thing every witness knows and understands::::

And that is:::::::::::WE ARE DEEP INTO THE LASTDAYS and that we are @ d verge of this system of thingsz.....and this we preach day and night......

We know for certain that Gods son Jesus has been enthroned as king and soon he'll do away with d political system and wickedness in general..........this are facts we are ever sure of.........

U can testify to that......

ijawkid:

I can see....all u want us if for the witnesses to crawl down to the media and apologize.....isn't it??

Can u please pick out one belief that u tink might be adjusted in times to come??

Like I said bible prophecies which are soon to be fulfilled gets clearer each passing day...

What u fail to know is that as events unfold d witnesses go back to do more home work...

Its not like we swindle people or make money out of these.....neither do we kill people in the course of our perusing into bible chronology....

Our drive is the same drive d apostles had who really wanted to know about the times and seasons.......

No witness today would knock @ ur door and start talkin about 19 this and that.....

Those are by-gones......we are wiser and more knowledgeble than we were.....

We forge ahead with our perceptions being limited to bible writings....

Jehovahs witnesses are always keen to see how bible facts agree with modern day history and also past.....

That is what bible students do.....

If not we did not commit any crime.....did we??

U ofcus know how much we've delved into biblical prophecies concerning d book of daniel and revelation....its all our insatiable drive for truths found in d scriptures......

We don't dream nor see visions like I'v always made it known on this post.....

We just peer into what d bible has in store for mankind.....remember even angels are interested too....

U guys are taking this whole date issue like its a do or die affair....

There are many reasons why I associate with the witnesses and 1914 is not even one of them.....there are far more important truths the witnesses uphold and practice that has dragged many to them.........

there's one thing every witness knows and understands::::

And that is:::::::::::WE ARE DEEP INTO THE LASTDAYS and that we are @ d verge of this system of thingsz.....and this we preach day and night......

We know for certain that Gods son Jesus has been enthroned as king and soon he'll do away with d political system and wickedness in general..........this are facts we are ever sure of.........

U can testify to that......

You must be a good attorney in the making. But i must tell u dat 1914, just like dec 25 or xmas day, has no biblical backin at all. U said fixing date does no harm to pple but dats not true. Do u knw the number of career dat were destroyed wen u guys predicted 1975 as the end or the date for armagdon? Do u knw the psychological impact it had on the pple dat put their hope on the dates that were erroneosly predicted? Do u actually knw that so many JW abandoned their career with the hope of a better life in paradise earth after 1975? I think u hav a limited knowledge of the impact these failed prophecies had on pple. One of your articles actually encouraged pple not to take their professions serios but to engage in active publishin work 'for the end is near'. Dats the few negetive impacts ur failed predictions had on pple.

true2god: You must be a good attorney in the making. But i must tell u dat 1914, just like dec 25 or xmas day, has no biblical backin at all. U said fixing date does no harm to pple but dats not true. Do u knw the number of career dat were destroyed wen u guys predicted 1975 as the end or the date for armagdon? Do u knw the psychological impact it had on the pple dat put their hope on the dates that were erroneosly predicted? Do u actually knw that so many JW abandoned their career with the hope of a better life in paradise earth after 1975? I think u hav a limited knowledge of the impact these failed prophecies had on pple. One of your articles actually encouraged pple not to take their professions serios but to engage in active publishin work 'for the end is near'. Dats the few negetive impacts ur failed predictions had on pple.

So if u say 1914 has no scriptural backing,please can u now tell me where it came from??is it a pagan date??.....

Xmas was an exact date gotten from the birthday celebration of a pagan god as we all know......

Can u please tell me now where else other than d bible that d witnesses used to arrive @ 1914 ??....

did we use an oiuja board or a crystal ball??please tell me......


And please we deal with bible chronology not pagan fantasies.......u can't compare a stamped pagan date used to paint Jesus with biblical prophecies and chronology..........




Witnesses in the past even celebrated xmas...we left it all behind......witnesses embrace truths when they are clear and we move on.......

Xmas is commemorated,1914 its as a result of biblical calculations......besides witnesses don't commemorate that date ....do they??


Ur still dwelling on 1975.....??

If u want to remain there that's fine.....we've moved on bro........u too shuld move on

Do u want us to go back to 1975 again??

What do u want??

Jehovahs witnesses have moved past our past and we learn more....

There so many things aside this issue u raised that we upheld in the past that we no longer hold on to......

We are dynamic.....when we learn,we adjust.....

That's what I find lacking in other religious organizations........

Besides from other posts it has been made clear how 1914 came about.......

Bible chronolgy landed us @ that figure....nothing more nothing less.....thank u....

@true2God....

My dad was a witness during 1975 and he still is......

U might wanna ask why......

Jehovahs witnesses know better now.....and we practice the truth like never b4......

Which church do u attend??

Or were u a witness b4??lol

true2god: My argument here is this, if the JW GB had nullified all other dates as 'misunderstandin' why are they still stickin to their 1914 trade mark? If they are human beings that make mistakes by quotin and giving bogus date as an interpertation to the fulfilment of bible prophecy, nullified other dates as 'mistakes' and upheld 1914 as truth, wats the rationale behind retaining 1914? Is it not the same 'research' that gave right to 1914 gave right to other nullified dates? Unless u dnt want to admit the inconsistencies in ur doctrines, JW r renouned for. Admitted, pple make mistakes but had there been anytime JW GB aplogiz for their mistakes? The ansa is No. If someone cannot aplogiz for mistakes dat shws dat hes bent on continue makin the same mistakes. If u want to be honest hw r u sure they wont change some of their present beliefs in 5 yr time. Anyway u r not in the position to ansa because wat u r meant to accept as true or false is handed down to u frm brooklyn, NY.

which dates did the JW even changed?

I said that most of what you guys present as what the JW had said that will be the end of the world are twisted info by JW detractors.

Eg. 1914 have nothing to do with the end of the world, but the begining of christ rulership.

1975 has nothing to do with the end of the world but marked 6000yrs of human existence on earth from bible chronology.

They simply said that since God rested after the 6th day in eden what comes next?

Christ millenial reign?

^^^^ that has nothing to do with the end of the world predictions.

But as usual People like you will take it up and blew it out of proportion.

Those date that you are pedling as an end of world prediction are fraudulent.

true2god: You must be a good attorney in the making. But i must tell u dat 1914, just like dec 25 or xmas day, has no biblical backin at all. U said fixing date does no harm to pple but dats not true. Do u knw the number of career dat were destroyed wen u guys predicted 1975 as the end or the date for armagdon? Do u knw the psychological impact it had on the pple dat put their hope on the dates that were erroneosly predicted? Do u actually knw that so many JW abandoned their career with the hope of a better life in paradise earth after 1975? I think u hav a limited knowledge of the impact these failed prophecies had on pple. One of your articles actually encouraged pple not to take their professions serios but to engage in active publishin work 'for the end is near'. Dats the few negetive impacts ur failed predictions had on pple.

but the JW are still saying that the end is near up to this moment.

That you have lost faith in the bible is your personal decision.

So you took the bible seriously then because you were afraid of dying and not because of your love for God?

Then you got it wrong.
Like i have said on this thread 1975 was said to mark the 6000yrs of human existance on earth.

The question was what next since the 7th is always a special for God.

See, develop a genuine love for God and hope to serve him till the end without strings attached and not for fear of dying.

The JW will keep on announcing what the bible says.

You guy carry the bible but dont teach what the bible says.

Is prosperity the reason for the bible or it is God's kingdom that christ said you should pray for, "thy kingdom come" ?

Though you carry the bible you dont understand it and you cant see what the JW sees except prosperity, is that the way you will help all mankind to know Gods plans?

You have members that come to your mog from child hood till adult hood still they dont know what the bible teach.

Why not come to this thread and show what the JW teach that is not base on the bible?

Dont you know that it is the correct knowledge that one have that will earn one everlasting life? John 17:3

@oLAADEGBU

I asked this same question on the other thread would you care to answer it?

Do you agree that Jehovah will put all false prophets to shame?

definately yes, false prophecy that do not have its roots in the bible like trinity,purgatory and hell fire were put to shame infact only on nairaland alone,on the trinity tread,Olaadegbu and co withrew after one catholic 'ihedinobi' admitted that 'trinity was undefended in the bible' and that is a testimony to false teachings that do not exist from the bible championed catholics and their leaders.

by not bringing to pass their false prophecy?

The burden of who prophecy 'endtime' lies on jesus christ and not jehovahs witnesses, jesus warned his followers to 'keep watch' or alert and following that does not make jws responsible for jesus prophecy on endtime.
And remember that it is a futuristic event that must come to pass. how jesus prophecy on endtime became unfufilled on this tread is misleading.

Do you also agree that false prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling ashamed to conceal the reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are?

yes false prophet says that the reason why jesus could not remember the day and hour that the end would come is that he is limited by human form,while they believed that jesus is God incarnate, and that the fulness of God that dwell with him bodily could not have impact on his knowledge about knowing the day and hour that the end would come,and thats serious for them!

Let your magazine speak.

"Jehovah, the God of the true prophets, will put all false prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self-assuming prophets or by having His own prophecies fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets. False prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are.”—
" — Paradise Restored to Mankind—By Theocracy!, 1972, pp. 353-354

yes many false trinity/purgatory/hellfire prophets that that are hurt by their being exposed do hide their feelings only to come here to mislead people to believe that jws prophecy endtime when it was jesus who did prophecy endtime warning with signs that would mark end time clealy written in the bible.

I found these topic very much interesting,to get the ball rolling @true2god I tink u are wrong,I dnt meant I dnt meant to b partial I wasn't a witness but am studying the bible with them and I must tell u DER is notin ​ß̍̍̊ůh̶̲̥̅̊ d TRUTH! I learnt frm ƌı̣̣̣z̶̲̥̅̊ conversation u are a deeper life member can u please xplain to us while u start using electronics media cos ur MOG says its demonic sum years back and majority of you aint using it now d̶̲̥̅̊ά̲̣̣̣̥t your programme is now on statalite dish nd all d member now are now goin back to der vomit! wat have u got to say to d̶̲̥̅̊ά̲̣̣̣̥t nd u see JW never claim to b an expert or a MOG ​ß̍̍̊ůh̶̲̥̅̊ a discreet servant of jehovah God! Dey observe his commandment nd also follow his son footstep nd examples....in d book of ACT21 vs 23,ƌı̣̣̣z̶̲̥̅̊ bible verse showed we're paul made some tins out of his doctrine he solemnly admitted nd these didn't stop him for stopping his mission nd JEHOVAH so much bless his work! JW never dOes anytin out of der will but They are in accord with Gods word and love,if things seems wrong now jehovah know there mind set that they are not after the glory of themselves but to him and his son JESUS

kokolet007: I found these topic very much interesting,to get the ball rolling @true2god I tink u are wrong,I dnt meant I dnt meant to b partial I wasn't a witness but am studying the bible with them and I must tell u DER is notin ß̍̍̊ůh̶̲̥̅̊ d TRUTH! I learnt frm ƌı̣̣̣z̶̲̥̅̊ conversation u are a deeper life member can u please xplain to us while u start using electronics media cos ur MOG says its demonic sum years back and majority of you aint using it now d̶̲̥̅̊ά̲̣̣̣̥t your programme is now on statalite dish nd all d member now are now goin back to der vomit! wat have u got to say to d̶̲̥̅̊ά̲̣̣̣̥t nd u see JW never claim to b an expert or a MOG ß̍̍̊ůh̶̲̥̅̊ a discreet servant of jehovah God! Dey observe his commandment nd also follow his son footstep nd examples....in d book of ACT21 vs 23,ƌı̣̣̣z̶̲̥̅̊ bible verse showed we're paul made some tins out of his doctrine he solemnly admitted nd these didn't stop him for stopping his mission nd JEHOVAH so much bless his work! JW never dOes anytin out of der will but They are in accord with Gods word and love,if things seems wrong now jehovah know there mind set that they are not after the glory of themselves but to him and his son JESUS

Gd morning kokolete007, i am not a deeperlife member and not compuksry to be to understand the honest bible truth. As a matter of fact i studied, before, with one or two JW friends before deciding to halt it. Before JW, the church in general knew that we are in the 'last days' and had always being anticipating the comin of the lord (act 2). But non did ever fix a particular date or use any unreliable chronology to to do mathematics of 'his presence' (a term used only after series of failed predictions). We understand ourselves here better cos we r xtains, if u fix a date of christ's presence to a non-xtain that neva come to pass for once u only bring xtainity into disrepute and serios questioning. The other issues u guys brought up: trinity\hell\heaven\immortality of the soul etc do not fall within the confine of this discussion so no need to derail frm the issue at hand. U can as well start a thread on those topics for us to discuss with biblical refereces. Anyway for once im not a beliver in purgatory. And remember dat over 90% of ur new light had at one time or the other, being propagated by 'seventh day adventist' so its never new and they have discarded a whole lot of dem. I am happy u guys hav, at least for once, admitted that its not ok to fix any 'prophetic date' but y is the 1914 'trade mark' not jettisoned just as the other dates had been dropped. Is it not the same 'research' dat gav room for 1914 dat gave room for other dates that had been assumed 'mistakes'? I knw u might be waiting for official confirmation frm the GB on dis date before u take ur decision since they r the ones that tell u wat to believe as bible truth and wat not to accept. Im 100% sure dat if the next edition of watchtower nullifies 1914 u will follow suit. Dis does not give room for independent thinkin since all JW align their beliefs only on wat the GB say through the watchtower magazine. Dnt accuse me of puttin so much emphasy on JW failed prediction cos thats wat the thread is all about.