How can a pious muslim man date another woman he intends to marry as wife no 2 without cheating on his wife?. How possible is that?. If it is possible, does that mean that muslims only do arranged marriages?.

it is not always an arrange marriage. and dating [what is dating?]. we have intending [intention to marry]. and you do not have to cheat.

Sweetnecta:

it is not always an arrange marriage. and dating [what is dating?]. we have intending [intention to marry]. and [b]you do not have to chea[/b]t.

How can you be seeing a second woman without cheating on the first one?.

OP, you have started a fantastic topic but you need to define what you mean by "cheating" if you want to make it better! Otherwise you will talking about one thing and your contributors another!

maclatunji:

OP, you have started a fantastic topic but you need to define what you mean by "cheating" if you want to make it better! Otherwise you will talking about one thing and your contributors another!

When a man is romantically hanging around town with another woman besides his wife, that is what I consider cheating and 9 out of 10 times, such associations lead to sex at the detriment of the incumbent wife. Isn't that considered to be adultery in Islam?.

aloy/emeka:

When a man is romantically hanging around town with another woman besides his wife, that is what I consider cheating and 9 out of 10 times, such associations lead to sex at the detriment of the incumbent wife. Isn't that considered to be adultery in Islam?.

Good points there. Let me tell you the truth with these points:

1. There is no man no matter how pious who will not come across women.

2. If a man then decides that he would like to marry a particular woman, there are several people he can approach that may act as go-betweens without the need for adultery before marriage.

3. The man's first wife knows that in Islam, a husband may marry up to 4 wives provided he can meet the set requirements.

Hence, a Muslim man initiating marriage with a woman when he has one wife already is not cheating.

Do some Muslim men fall into adultery instead of the process highlighted above? Yes! But that is due to their weakness or ignorance and not because of Islam. I am sure you know Islam abhors Adultery whilst recognizing Monogamy and Polygamy within its strict rules.

OP, it is not as difficult as you are trying to portray it!

maclatunji:

Good points there. Let me tell you the truth with these points:

1. There is no man no matter how pious who will not come across women.

2. If a man then decides that he would like to marry a particular woman, there are several people he can approach that may act as go-betweens without the need for adultery before marriage.

3. The man's first wife knows that in Islam, a husband may marry up to 4 wives provided he can meet the set requirements.

Hence, a Muslim man initiating marriage with a woman when he has one wife already is not cheating.

Do some Muslim men fall into adultery instead of the process highlighted above? Yes! But that is due to their weakness or ignorance and not because of Islam. I am sure you know Islam abhors Adultery whilst recognizing Monogamy and Polygamy within its strict rules.

OP, it is not as difficult as you are trying to portray it!   

Of course it's not very difficult to cheat on your wife if you are morally bankrupt. In other words, Islam is very unkind to poor men because it did not make provision for them to get laid in so many ways rather, they are forbidden to have so many women simply because they are poor. Why is Allah so unfair to them?.

aloy/emeka:

How can a pious muslim man date another woman he intends to marry as wife no 2 without cheating on his wife?. How possible is that?. If it is possible, does that mean that muslims only do arranged marriages?.

In islam, we do not date as we have it today. A more appropriate word would be courtship, If as a man, i am interested in another lady, I inform her family of my intention and in the presence of a maharam (a relative,father /brother) of the lady, we can go on dates to find out more about each other before a decision on marriage is made. Ideally there should be no point when i am alone with her so both parties are protected from cheating.

Also, if the first wife puts it in her marriage contract that she would not accept another wife, then the man is obliged to stick to that agreement otherwise the first marriage can be voided.

Aloy Emeka obsession with Islam is beyond imagination her shallow views about Islam  are grounded in ignorance

and Islamophobia Hope one of the brothers here step in to fill the romantic void of Mademoiselle Amaka

aloy/emeka:

Of course it's not very difficult to cheat on your wife if you are morally bankrupt. In other words, Islam is very unkind to poor men because it did not make provision for them to get laid in so many ways rather, they are forbidden to have so many women simply because they are poor. Why is Allah so unfair to them?.

Yet Solomon was not morally bankrupt when he married more than wife neither did God in the bible condemn his behavior? mean while Islam also restricts people without the means to support a wife from marrying, I think common sense should tell you that you do not embark on a journey you cannot afford to take, I cannot imagine a man marrying a woman he cannot support

araboy may actually be a perfect fit for madame aloy/emeka.
aloy is outdoorsy. araboy is exotic if only in name.

vedaxcool:

Yet Solomon was not morally bankrupt when he married more than wife neither did God in the bible condemn his behavior? mean while Islam also restricts people without the means to support a wife from marrying, I think common sense should tell you that you do not embark on a journey you cannot afford to take, I cannot imagine a man marrying a woman he cannot support

God condemned Solomon for the many wives that took his heart away from God, but common we are talking about 4000 years ago here  and moreso under the old testament dispensation.

^^^^^^^^^God condemned the wisest man ever created by Yahweh?

you are kidding right? so you are saying the condemnation leads to hell fire?

frosbel:

God condemned Solomon for the many wives that took his heart away from God, but common we are talking about 4000 years ago here  and moreso under the old testament dispensation.

I want you to provide a reference from the bible that you are not to follow its guidance after a certain period of time

@frosbel
It is very funny that the god of the bible that you imagine seems to remain inconsistent in almost everything, if not what does 4000 years ago has to do with anything? God laws of right and wrong suppose to remain consistent yet even the rule of making it to heaven seems to change any-time these Christian feel like, like the Catholics believe in Faiths and good deeds, while the reformed harlots -to use the words of fraudbel- only need faith. it remains funny that God condemned Solomon for marrying more than one wife yet fraudbel faile to show us where, or was it the holy gaul that informed you of this? oh well lies are used in the convenient time.

vedaxcool:

@frosbel
It is very funny that the god of the bible that you imagine seems to remain inconsistent in almost everything, if not what does 4000 years ago has to do with anything? God laws of right and wrong suppose to remain consistent yet even the rule of making it to heaven seems to change any-time these Christian feel like, like the Catholics believe in Faiths and good deeds, while the reformed harlots -to use the words of fraudbel- only need faith. it remains funny that God condemned Solomon for marrying more than one wife yet fraudbel faile to show us where, or was it the holy gaul that informed you of this? oh well lies are used in the convenient time.

I am happy you mentioned this, so he cannot be ALLAH , right !

So mathematically speaking we have proven that ALLAH and GOD cannot be the same because they give conflicting accounts of events.

But coming back to your point, it is rather absurd and shocking that while other peoples are moving forward in time, you are still stuck to the 7th Century arabian culture.

It truly baffles me

frosbel:

I am happy you mentioned this, so he cannot be ALLAH , right !

So mathematically speaking we have proven that ALLAH and GOD cannot be the same because they give conflicting accounts of events.

But coming back to your point, it is rather absurd and shocking that while other peoples are moving forward in time, you are still stuck to the 7th Century arabian culture.

It truly baffles me

Guy you are not making progress, you are retrogressing! After analysing you, I have an inkling into what motivates your posts on Muslims. You need some help to overcome your fears!

Retrogressing away from ALLAH is a sure sign that I am progressing spiritually

deols:

I want you to provide a reference from the bible that you are not to follow its guidance after a certain period of time

" And I say to you, Whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery"---Mark 10 vs 11

"If a man desires the position of a bishop [or an elder], he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife" , (NKJV).--1 Timothy 3: 1-2

Are you happy now?. Polygamy is a sin in Christianity.

frosbel:


But coming back to your point, it is rather absurd and shocking that while other peoples are moving forward in time, you are still stuck to the 7th Century arabian culture.

It truly baffles me

Thank goodness you finally confessed that Gay priest are acceptable to Christianity, Gay marriage is also acceptable in Christianity, Abortions etc are all Kosher in Christianity, keep moving with time, again you only reassert that Christians are the ones reinventing the Cross Idol they worship, it remains little wonder why Jews have refused to follow such a path since it is an anything goes faith. NB Fraudbel is yet to produce evidence that Solomon was condemned by God, meaning he told another Fraudbellent lie.

name calling is always a sure sign of desperation and veiled ire at losing a debate

Not to worry , I will carry on exposing the truth.

Keep living in the year 4000 BCE, I will rather move ahead with the times ,one man, one woman, period.

Sex mad moosies ,

^^^^

NB [size=18pt]Fraudbel is yet to produce evidence that Solomon was condemned by God, meaning he told another Fraudbellent lie.[/size]

I encourage you to emulate 4000 BCE and 7th centruy AD practises, if that's what makes your world go round, hey I am okay with it.

My 50 cents, imo, is that this is a stone age practice, we live in modern times I hope you know.

If Mo ( SAW) restricted you to 4 wives, how come he had 13 wives 

Muhahaha

Speak to you later brov 

[size=28pt]NB Fraudbel is yet to produce evidence that Solomon was condemned by God, meaning he told another Fraudbellent lie.[/size]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtTli8TaIQc?version=3&hl=en[/flash]

vedaxcool:

[size=28pt]NB Fraudbel is yet to produce evidence that Solomon was condemned by God, meaning he told another Fraudbellent lie.[/size]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110112075501AAuKURy

There are many more sources and much more graphic material within the Islamic sources regarding Jannah. However I think we have seen enough for now. What a degrading view for the women. Being a sex object for a man along side 70 other women. Sex slaves indeed! Interestingly the Bible says nothing of the sort. Instead we read that there will be no marriage. Thus no sex. We also read that Heaven is not fully conceivable in its greatness.

"However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him." 1 Corinthians 2:9

Thus the peak of the Islamic Jannah (women, sex, virgins, swelling bosoms) is described in great detail. However the Bible doesn't even try to attempt to communicate what God has prepared for us fully. If it were merely SinParties and sex, the Bible would have documented that. However the few things it does tell us about Heaven relate to its Holiness and how incomprehensible it is. We read that:

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Revelation 21:4

"Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat." Revelation 7:16


My contention is that if Allah was the same God of the New Testament, we should see the same heaven since its details were established in the 1st century. We should at least see some intimate references involving virgins and sex in Biblical heaven if Allah was responsible for the Injil. Since there is not one single reference to sex or carnal desire in Biblical heaven, the reader is forced to conclude that Allah is not the same God. He was not responsible and he had nothing to do with the Injil (New Testament).

How can one imagine a Holy and righteous omniscient and Omnipotent God wanting to watch his creation Be Intimate in his Holy kingdom of absolute glory. People should have more respect for God Almighty. Why would you want to disrespect him by following a religion that contains such things, and even making them important factors to motivate believers to fight and die in the cause of Allah? Heaven is about fellowship and worship of God, our creator. It is about love, real love, not carnal intimate desire. Christ has risen and he is Lord. Amen.

By Keith Thompson

[size=38pt]NB Fraudbel is yet to produce evidence that Solomon was condemned by God, meaning he told another Fraudbellent lie[/size]

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There are many more sources and much more graphic material within the Islamic sources regarding Jannah. However I think we have seen enough for now. What a degrading view for the women. Being a sex object for a man along side 70 other women. Sex slaves indeed! Interestingly the Bible says nothing of the sort.[/Quote]You people need to face the music because from the onset, Adam has a wife [Eve] and what did Yahweh expected Adam and Eve were to do, except have sex and more sex?


[Quote]Instead we read that there will be no marriage. Thus no sex. We also read that Heaven is not fully conceivable in its greatness.[/Quote]This will be news to Jehovah Who assigned Eve to Adam and lodged them in the safety of Eden. I know Eden wasn't really safe, just the same way the no sex is really not no sex and Jesus as son of God not really son of God. . . . Is anyone following my straight forward logic while the christians are lying making up stuffs? They are not paying attentions to their books enough to know that Muslims and Jews and others see through their facade.


[Quote]    "However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him." 1 Corinthians 2:9[/Quote]Did this nullify the 100 folds Jesus promised or the how mankind began in Eden with husband and wife Adam and Eve?


[Quote]Thus the peak of the Islamic Jannah (women, sex, virgins, swelling bosoms) is described in great detail. However the Bible doesn't even try to attempt to communicate what God has prepared for us fully. If it were merely SinParties and sex, the Bible would have documented that.[/Quote]The way the Bible documents, can anyone be sure what Jehovah has for christians except singing and clapping presented by Paul while Jesus presented 100 folds of everything you left for his sake? I guess these people didn't leave anything for the sake of Jesus or they do not believe the statement from Jesus just the same way they don't believe that the God of Jesus is Ellah, without any partner.


[Quote]However the few things it does tell us about Heaven relate to its Holiness and how incomprehensible it is. We read that:

   "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Revelation 21:4

   "Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat." Revelation 7:16[/Quote]Did anyone notice that the author and finisher of the Christian faith, Jesus was not the one saying either of the verses, but Paul? Who is really the author and the finisher, now, and how do we know that Paul is not lying to slant the issue on his side? The man who says if my lying wins souls for the lord, why am I being persecuted can't be trusted.


[Quote]My contention is that if Allah was the same God of the New Testament, we should see the same heaven since its details were established in the 1st century. We should at least see some intimate references involving virgins and sex in Biblical heaven if Allah was responsible for the Injil. Since there is not one single reference to sex or carnal desire in Biblical heaven, the reader is forced to conclude that Allah is not the same God. He was not responsible and he had nothing to do with the Injil (New Testament).[/Quote]And they denied that Adam and Eve were titled husband and wife and Jesus promised them 100 folds of what they left for his sake. I think the catholic priests and nuns took that position and i respect them for it.


[Quote]How can one imagine a Holy and righteous omniscient and Omnipotent God wanting to watch his creation Be Intimate in his Holy kingdom of absolute glory. People should have more respect for God Almighty.[/Quote]Does God not know that husband and wife do have sex, now, while he destroyed the people of Lot, and the legal sexual participants were preserved?


[Quote] Why would you want to disrespect him by following a religion that contains such things, and even making them important factors to motivate believers to fight and die in the cause of Allah?[/Quote]Sex with your legal partner in marriage is a pretty good thing. I wonder how Keith is thinking like a man who has never had sex? Why did God made Eve as mate and consort for Adam , if they didn't have any as his wife before they were thrown out of Iraqi located Eden [I am not a believer in the Eden thing]?


[Quote] Heaven is about fellowship and worship of God, our creator. It is about love, real love, not carnal intimate desire. Christ has risen and he is Lord. Amen.

By Keith Thompson[/Quote]Are you saying that the fellowship and worship of God, Love, that you have here now are not real, but the real ones are in heaven? So sex between husband and wife is dirty, now and there is no cleaning it up in heaven because it is a carnal intimacy while the earthly fellowship and worship of God and love, real love shall be elevated and more intense? When will your God show Mercy on you if there is always work for something here and in heaven where you do not have to work for anything, your activities are now intensified? I don't see the mercy of God on any christian if this is true. I laugh in Igbo and english combo in honor of Frosbel and Keith.

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The rate at which Frosbel and co. go on about the 72 houris goes to show how their minds cannot move away from 5ex. We Muslims do not even think about it that much but these guys are obsessed!

The rate at which Frosbel and co. go on about the 72 houris goes to show how their minds cannot move away from 5ex. We Muslims do not even think about it that much but these guys are obsessed!