Judek2:

I just shake my head after reading some of your silly questions.
Afterall, your Mohammad was confused when he mistook Mariam the sister of Moses and Aeron to be the mother of Jesus.
The same confusion runs through your veins.

Look at a simple verse you crack your brain to understand yet you cant,people like you needs no attention atall.
Ignorance is realy a disease.

you shake for yourself cos you don't understand your bible yourself, This is simple Question, SInce you are a Christian i believe you should understand. Ok let me help you once more, If someone said Take #100, Give Judek2 #20,Bashy #20,Lagoshia #20, The seeker #20 and give the boy #20, if you are not Daft wont you ask who is the boy?
so since the jews ask John are you the Christ? he say no. Are you Elijah, he say no. and they ask are you that Prophet? now tell me who that prophet is you keep blabbering around the threads shame on you Jude. You are a disgrace to Christianity and to your Parents they waste so much money on you.

Why should the Muslims be looking for Mohammed's ID in the bible?

Pls. There is no connection between Christians/Jews and the Muslims.


For your information it wasn't only Muslims that had tried to copy some parts of the Bible. Even OOO members have tried to claim that their founder OOO is the Holy Spirit.

Somehow, I don't blame them; It is only the Original/superior/quality/authentic thing that can be imitated.

Devil should live the Bible alone. Satan should stop trying to manipulate the Bible because it will never work.

If Muslims want to know the ID of their Allah and Mohamed they shouldn't look for it in the Bible.

Christians know the God they are serving, They also know Jesus Christ verywell. There is nothing confussing. Christianity never reffer anybody to another religious book for Identity or Identity clarification.
We equally know the Devil (Satan, Old Serpent) etc.

I have told them before that the Bible did not say anything about Mohamed or Allah, But the Bible said a lot about the Devil (Satan) and the Anti-Christ.

Please, people should stop confussing their members by trying to link Bible and Koran. As, I said it is not only Islam that copied some Bible portion for manipulation.

But at least Islam Called their own spiritual book Koran after copying the bible; some other group deliberately carried the entire Bible (while changing selected things) and still call it Bible; while doing their thing including worshiping their own god.

the_seeker:

The verse below puts things in proper perpective. Who is christ talking about below. Is it muslims or hindus that perform miracles in christ name? NO! Its you xtians of course. So be prepared to hear these words below on that day when christ shall deny you all as you are being marched to hell

Matthew 7:22-23
New International Version (NIV)22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


Again you said since Mohammed did not perform miracles he does not qualify to be a prophet. But how come your lord Jesus called JOhn the baptist the greatest man born of a woman despite performing no miracles, even greater than Moses and all his bags of miracles

"truely i say onto you, among those born of women, there has arisen none greater than John the Baptist!, " math 11:11

nothwithstading Mohammed performed a lot of miracles in his life including the splitting of the moon. Yes the splitting of the moon! If you want me to prove it you will have to start by proving how Moses split an entire sea and Christ walked on liquid water. The issue is we muslims are not miracles peddlers like you xtians. We do not need miracles to believe or have faith, the Truth is enough for us. You guys on the other hand live and die for miracles. That is why you shall lose on that day as Christ himself has warned you.

I hope u know the topic of the thread is about, if Muhammed was the prophet MOSES told about in the Bible?. U are out of the track misqouting urself left and right, until u drive in the track as par the topic, u will ve no responds from me.

Judek2:

Now @Paris10, you have to be more rational in your critisisms on peoples posts.
I totally agree with @Plappville on her above posts. The posts speaks of both fake prophets and fake pastors, as you can observe.

My marked No (1) ,(2) and (4) above directly points to Mohammad expecially @no (4)

On her post post on no (3) is directly to fake pastors as Mohammad couldnt perform miracles. So when you judge,judge with facts.

My broda, u are blessed, U did not ve the understanding on ur own, it is divine.
It is normal that, Muslims have no knowledge of the bible, for them the name MUHAMMED or ISLAM could ve been mentioned before they know, those verses are meant for Islam. A religion that was formed by all means to tarnish Christ, of course, it can't do any more harm to those that believe, only ignorance are led astrayed by Islam.

the_seeker:

Proof212, you are even roping up yourself the more. i am asking you. Is it muslims or hindus that call jesus Lord Lord or do they prophesize and do mirackes in his name?

Out of point!!, Go to the topic, give us similarities of MOHA and MOSES!! Is Mohmmed's family the "Sabaean Yemeni" a true decendant of the "Ishmaelites who lived in the deserts of the Fertile Crescent, and became extinct many centuries upon centuries before Mohammed's family left Yemen.
Before ur question will be answered u should let us know how Muhammed fits in this Prophecy of MOSES as the thread stated thank u,

Ozichim:

Why should the Muslims be looking for Mohammed's ID in the bible?

Pls. There is no connection between Christians/Jews and the Muslims.


For your information it wasn't only Muslims that had tried to copy some parts of the Bible. Even OOO members have tried to claim that their founder OOO is the Holy Spirit.

Somehow, I don't blame them; It is only the Original/superior/quality/authentic thing that can be imitated.

Devil should live the Bible alone. Satan should stop trying to manipulate the Bible because it will never work.

If Muslims want to know the ID of their Allah and Mohamed they shouldn't look for it in the Bible.

Christians know the God they are serving, They also know Jesus Christ verywell. There is nothing confussing. Christianity never reffer anybody to another religious book for Identity or Identity clarification.
We equally know the Devil (Satan, Old Serpent) etc.

I have told them before that the Bible did not say anything about Mohamed or Allah, But the Bible said a lot about the Devil (Satan) and the Anti-Christ.

Please, people should stop confussing their members by trying to link Bible and Koran. As, I said it is not only Islam that copied some Bible portion for manipulation.

But at least Islam Called their own spiritual book Koran after copying the bible; some other group deliberately carried the entire Bible (while changing selected things) and still call it Bible; while doing their thing including worshiping their own god.

Very good points!!

bashy_demy:


The Testimony of John
    19 This is (AI)the testimony of John, when (AJ)the Jews sent to him priests and Levites (AK)from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20 And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, “(AL)I am not [q]the Christ.” 21 They asked him, “What then? Are you (AM)Elijah?” And he *said, “I am not.” “Are you (AN)the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22 Then they said to him, “Who are you, so that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23 He said, “I am (AO)A VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, ‘MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD,’ as Isaiah the prophet said.”

now Oga explain the bold to me. Can Christ and that prophet be the same person? secondly why did they Mention Christ, Elijah and then say that Prophet. Dint the prophet have a name?


  24 Now they had been sent from the Pharisees. 25 They asked him, and said to him, “Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the [r]Christ, nor Elijah, nor (AP)the Prophet?” 26 John answered them saying, “(AQ)I baptize [s]in water, but among you stands One whom you do not know. 27 It is (AR)He who comes after me, the (AS)thong of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie.” 28 These things took place in Bethany (AT)beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.

   29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, (AU)the Lamb of God who (AV)takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘(AW)After me comes a Man who [t]has a higher rank than I, (AX)for He existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize [u]Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing [v]in water.” 32 John (AY)testified saying, “(AZ)I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize [w]Him, but He who sent me to baptize [x]in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, (BA)this is the One who baptizes [y]in the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have seen, and have testified that this is (BB)the Son of God.”

@ the bold here again what do you think that look like? is like someone is narating some story and say it happen in one Village call Badagry beyond Seme Border Lagos. hahaha LWKMDH

The worse muslim poster in NL

paris10:

I don't want to curse you o. But let me teach you with love. The false prophets mentioned in the Bible are todays Pastors who go about preaching heresies. The Bible wasn't referring to Muslims but false Christian preachers like Pastor Fireman, the likes of Oyakhilome, Ashimolowo, maybe G.O Adeboye the rest of this so called prosperity preachers.

Stop quoting the Bible if you don't understand it please! What is wrong with people nowadays?

If u don't curse me, then u are not a true muslim, u ought to practice according to Prophet command.

And where did u herited the love u are teaching? A muslim taling about love very contrary to the koran!.

plappville:

The worse muslim poster in NL

the worst muslim that is better than the best christian dont you see that? its written all over the place Allah is Great

plappville:

If u don't curse me, then u are not a true muslim, u ought to practice according to Prophet command.

And where did u herited the love u are teaching? A muslim taling about love very contrary to the koran!.

LOL you think Muslim are like you? Mohammad never curse during his days unlike your Jesus that cursed a tree and also call people fools,  hahah shame on you.

bashy_demy:

the worst muslim that is better than the best christian dont you see that? its written all over the place Allah is Great

[size=20pt]An infant Christian is wiser than Muslim Imans,
The worst Christian is better than Mohammad.[/size]

Judek2:

[size=20pt]An infant Christian is wiser than Muslim Imans,
The worst Christian is better than Mohammad.[/size]

LOL yes as the Foolishness of bible God is wiser then Men

paris10:

I am sick and tired of ignorant a.s.s fanatic religious Muslims always wanting to quote the Bible out of context. The other day, one of their brothers was arguing that the holy ghost promised by Jesus was Mohammed. One said the comforter was the Mohammed. Listen guys, you have to read the whole chapter of a book before knowing what was said and to whom it was referred to.

Now to the discuss, Moses was plainly referring to Jesus and not some arabian war- monger Mohammed. And for your advice, quoting a verse in the Bible will not help you either. And to some of you ignorant Christians arguing with these religious mongers, you should cover your face in shame. What has light got to do with darkness? What has God got to do with Allah? God said for this reason shall[b] a[/b] man leave his parents and shall be one with his wife. Allah said as long as you can take care of these women, you can marry upto four. Who is saying the truth here? Y'll know that Jesus is the truth, abi una no know?

The Muslims will open the Bible and confusedly quote a passage of scripture that suit their argument, not knowing what was actually said or meant. Mohammed could and would never have been mentioned in the Bible because he was irrelevant and doesn't belong to the lineage of Jesus Christ. He was an outcast who came up with his own belief just like Joseph Smith of the Mormon.

Be careful guys and study to show yourself approve.  You see I dint quote any scripture, because there's none that said anything concerning Mohammed. The opposite of the Bible is the Quran. Everything the Bible says, the Quran would say otherwise. Bible says God begat Jesus, Quran says Allah begat no one. One mumu even said Jesus denied being the prophet, No he did not, John the Baptist denied being the Prophet.

Really,
I can't stoop to that level of making comparisons knowing that the Bible is quite different from the quran. What seems to baffle me most is that the people that keep misquoting the Bible don't seem to get the fact that there is nothing that needs proving since they are 2 different religions entirely. They are not connected in any way. Even bash demy and lagoshia have both mentioned it before, the Jesus in the quran is different from Jesus the only begotten Son of God, the way, the truth and the life of the Bible so why compare or why do you want to prove what they are disproving. No Jesus the Son of God, no life. KNOW JESUS THE SON OF GOD, KNOW LIFE! Shalom.

is jesus a prophet?

Judek2:

Now @Paris10, you have to be more rational in your critisisms on peoples posts.
I totally agree with @Plappville on her above posts. The posts speaks of both fake prophets and fake pastors, as you can observe.

My marked No (1) ,(2) and (4) above directly points to Mohammad expecially @no (4)

On her post post on no (3) is directly to fake pastors as Mohammad couldnt perform miracles. So when you judge,judge with facts.

If I may ask, who is a prophet? Moses was a prophet, Elijah and Elisha were both prophets. When you hear about the Bible talking about false prophets, literally, its talking about those prophets (Pastors) in your churches and around. Jesus was a prophet and a son at the same time. The Bible was written hundreds of years before the quran. The sheep in wolves clothing are todays false Pastors (there seem to be no more prophets in our midst).

The Mohammed thing is a forgone story. More than 300 years after the inception the Bible, some lunatic came up with a book and called it the book of Allah. Joseph Smith (Mormon) also wrote a book and have millions of followers till date. Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had a dream and received their so-called revelation under a tree. Millions of people have had dreams, does that make them a prophet too?

A spiritual book must be full of the spirit of God, devoid of violence and simplified.  Ishmael, a patriarch of the Ishmaelite, son of Hagar, was unaccepted by Abraham because a curse was placed upon him before his birth, "his hand would be against every man, and every man 's hand against him" That explains the violence we see in Muslims. Yoruba Muslims are not real Muslims. They're confused people who thinks God is the same as Allah.

Back to the topic, was Mohammed the prophet Moses spoke of? Ans: Capital NO. All the prophets that came before Jesus never made mention of Mohammed nor do they know anyone by that name. The Bible is the book of Christians written by people who were inspired by God. So acknowledging and saying Mohammed was  the false prophet the Bible talks about would mean admitting the existence of Mohammed in the Bible. Mohammed was nobody except to the Muslims. He had no relationship, history or background that would link him with Jesus (unlike Moses, Elijah etc). In a nutshell, Mohammed couldn't have deceived any Christian because he was not part of them. Only false (Christian) prophets or Pastors would deceive a Christian just like the ones we see these days.

paris10:

If I may ask, who is a prophet? Moses was a prophet, Elijah and Elisha were both prophets. When you hear about the Bible talking about false prophets, literally, its talking about those prophets (Pastors) in your churches and around. Jesus was a prophet and a son at the same time. The Bible was written hundreds of years before the quran. The sheep in wolves clothing are todays false Pastors (there seem to be no more prophets in our midst).

How about David,John,Solomon, Noah, etc are they not prophet?

paris10:

If I may ask, who is a prophet? Moses was a prophet, Elijah and Elisha were both prophets. When you hear about the Bible talking about false prophets, literally, its talking about those prophets (Pastors) in your churches and around. Jesus was a prophet and a son at the same time. The Bible was written hundreds of years before the quran. The sheep in wolves clothing are todays false Pastors (there seem to be no more prophets in our midst).

The Mohammed thing is a forgone story. More than 300 years after the inception the Bible, some lunatic came up with a book and called it the book of Allah. Joseph Smith (Mormon) also wrote a book and have millions of followers till date. Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had a dream and received their so-called revelation under a tree. Millions of people have had dreams, does that make them a prophet too?

A spiritual book must be full of the spirit of God, devoid of violence and simplified.  Ishmael, a patriarch of the Ishmaelite, son of Hagar, was unaccepted by Abraham because a curse was placed upon him before his birth, "his hand would be against every man, and every man 's hand against him" That explains the violence we see in Muslims. Yoruba Muslims are not real Muslims. They're confused people who thinks God is the same as Allah.

Back to the topic, was Mohammed the prophet Moses spoke of? Ans: Capital NO. All the prophets that came before Jesus never made mention of Mohammed nor do they know anyone by that name. The Bible is the book of Christians written by people who were inspired by God. So acknowledging and saying Mohammed was  the false prophet the Bible talks about would mean admitting the existence of Mohammed in the Bible. Mohammed was nobody except to the Muslims. He had no relationship, history or background that would link him with Jesus (unlike Moses, Elijah etc). In a nutshell, Mohammed couldn't have deceived any Christian because he was not part of them. Only false (Christian) prophets or Pastors would deceive a Christian just like the ones we see these days.

Sometimes i dont know how to respond to some people post, Why because you will find yourself asking or arguing on the same old question that they refuse to answer. Tell when was the bible written and how many year after the death of Jesus when some lunatic 40 men come about them say them say story with the help of that idio.t call Paul the apostle that was behead atlast. Tell how old is old testament and the new testament.

You said a spiritual book must be full of the spirit of God, devoid of violence and simplified. So now tell me where can we find all this in the bible? Paris if you are ready to answer some Question that have been put forward to your fellow that they refuse to answer let me know. But like i said i don't know how to respond to some post anymore cos it still the same old Argument.

bashy_demy:

How about David,John,Solomon, Noah, etc are they not prophet?
Sometimes i dont know how to respond to some people post, Why because you will find yourself asking or arguing on the same old question that they refuse to answer. Tell when was the bible written and how many year after the death of Jesus when some lunatic 40 men come about them say them say story with the help of that idio.t call Paul the apostle that was behead atlast. Tell how old is old testament and the new testament.

You said a spiritual book must be full of the spirit of God, devoid of violence and simplified. So now tell me where can we find all this in the bible? Paris if you are ready to answer some Question that have been put forward to your fellow that they refuse to answer let me know. But like i said i don't know how to respond to some post anymore cos it still the same old Argument.

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David and Solomon were kings. John was a Pastor and Noah was a prophet. The ones I mentioned were just examples.

^^ So no response to the rest?

They are not prophets. King David, King Solomon. When they were kings though, they had prophets around them. Samuel and Nathan for example. Sorry I have not read the post properly to comment in detail. In Koran, what was Prophet Daud's message? What was prophet Suleiman's message?

But Bashy Demy, lets not get side tracked from the topic of the prophet that Moses spoke being Mohammed. We know it isn't. Trying to add or subtract or spin into something else doesnt detract from the fact that he isn't.

Kind Regards

paris10:

If I may ask, who is a prophet? Moses was a prophet, Elijah and Elisha were both prophets. When you hear about the Bible talking about false prophets, literally, its talking about those prophets (Pastors) in your churches and around. Jesus was a prophet and a son at the same time. The Bible was written hundreds of years before the quran. The sheep in wolves clothing are todays false Pastors (there seem to be no more prophets in our midst).

The Mohammed thing is a forgone story. More than 300 years after the inception the Bible, some lunatic came up with a book and called it the book of Allah. Joseph Smith (Mormon) also wrote a book and have millions of followers till date. Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had a dream and received their so-called revelation under a tree. Millions of people have had dreams, does that make them a prophet too?


A spiritual book must be full of the spirit of God, devoid of violence and simplified.  Ishmael, a patriarch of the Ishmaelite, son of Hagar, was unaccepted by Abraham because a curse was placed upon him before his birth, "his hand would be against every
man, and every man 's hand against him" That explains the violence we see in Muslims. Yoruba Muslims are not real Muslims. They're confused people who thinks God is the same as Allah.

Back to the topic, was Mohammed the prophet Moses spoke of? Ans: Capital NO. All the prophets that came before Jesus never made mention of Mohammed nor do they know anyone by that name. The Bible is the book of Christians written by
people who were inspired by God. So acknowledging and saying Mohammed was  the false prophet the Bible talks about would mean admitting the existence of Mohammed in the Bible. Mohammed was nobody except to the Muslims. He had no

relationship, history or background that would link him with Jesus (unlike Moses, Elijah etc). In a nutshell, Mohammed couldn't have deceived any Christian because he was not part of them. Only false (Christian) prophets or Pastors would deceive a
Christian just like the ones we see these days.

To the bold: if u say they has thier dreams, created a book and had millions of ppl following them.
Do u think these kind of People would be able to arrive at this stage if not for Satan's aid?
They rose up Against Christ by saying Christ is not the way, they claim they are the way.

If u will ignore them as just passing by fellows, then u must be mistaking.
They ve done alot of distruction against the body of Christ, leading millions of soul astrayed, making them believe tbey are the true way. I ve enough prove to call them false prophets, becos that is what they are.
"Jesus said, if u are not for me, u are against me." false prophets are all in the air.

Reading the biblical verses concerning false prophets, the very first person that came to my mind is MOHA.
He so much fits in. The anti christ has a very large troop/crowd.
many are hidden using christ as their physical symbol, yet we can still figure them out with the help of the scripture.

The fact that thier names are not mentioned in the bible as they are known is not the issue.
The characteristics of a false prophet according to the bible, gave a clear definition of them.
They just cant hid it. The mark of the Beast is 666. Our socalled mohammed came 600 yrs later, whether this is accurate or not, what matters is that, its wroghly 600 year after Christ.

[size=14pt]“THE PROPHET LIKE MOSES”(Deuteronomy 18:18) IN Ahmad Deedat’s “What does the Bible say about Muhammad?”[/size]

Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen,
The subject of this evening’s talk – “What the Bible says about Muhammad” will no doubt come as a surprise to many of you because the speaker is a Muslim. How does it come about that a Muslim happens to be expounding prophecies from the Jewish and Christian Scriptures?
As a young man, about 30 years ago, I attended a series of religious lectures by a Christian theologian, a certain Rev. Hiten, at the “Theater Royal”, Durban in South Africa.

Pope or Kissinger?
This Reverend gentleman was expounding Biblical prophecies. He went on to prove that the Christian Bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia, and the Last Days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that his Holy Book did not leave even the Pope out of its predictions. He expatiated vigorously in order to convince his audience that the Beast 666 mentioned in The Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament, was the Pope, who was the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Christian scholars are ingenious and indefatigable in their efforts to prove their case. Rev. Hiten’s lectures led me to ask that if the Bible foretold so many things – not even excluding the “Pope” and “Israel”, – then surely it must have something to say about the greatest benefactor of mankind, prophet Muhammad, may the peace of Allah be upon him.
As a youngster I set out to search for an answer. I met priest after priest, attended lectures, and read everything that I could lay my hands relating to the fields of Bible prophecies. Tonight I’m going to narrate to you one of these interviews with a Dominee of the Dutch Reformed Church.

Lucky Thirteen
I was invited to the Transvaal (South Africa) to deliver a talk on the occasion of the birthday of the prophet Muhammad. Knowing that in that province of the Republic, the Afrikaans language is widely spoken, even by my own people, I felt that I ought to acquire a smattering of this language so as to feel a little “at home” with the people. I opened the telephone directory and began phoning the Afrikaans-speaking Churches. I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with “plausible” excuses.
No. 13 was my lucky number. The thirteenth call brought me pleasure and relief. A Dominee Van Heerden (“Dominee” is the Afrikaans equivalent of “priest”) agreed to meet me at his home on the Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for Transvaal.
He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did not mind, he would like his father-in- law from the Free State, a 70 year old man, to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us settled down in the Dominee’s library.

Why Nothing?
I posed the question: “What does the Bible say about Muhammad?” Without hesitation he answered: “Nothing!” I asked: “Why nothing? According to your interpretation the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about the Pope of the Roman Catholics?” He said: “Yes, but there was nothing about Muhammad!” I asked again: “Why nothing? Surely this man Muhammad who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide community of millions of believers who, on his authority, believe in:
the miraculous birth of Jesus,
that Jesus is the Messiah,
that he gave life to the dead by God’s permission, and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God’s permission.
Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to say about this great leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary?”
The old man from the Free State replied: “My son, I have been reading the Bible for the past 50 years, and if there was any mention of him, I would have known it.”

Not One by Name!
I inquired: “According to you, are there not hundreds of prophecies regarding the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament.” The Dominee interjected: “Not hundreds, but thousands!” I said: “I am not going to dispute the thousand and one prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the coming of Jesus Christ, because the whole Muslim world has already accepted him without the testimony of any Biblical prophecy. Muslims have accepted the de facto Jesus on the authority of Muhammad alone, and there are in the world today no less than 900,000,000 followers of Muhammad, who love, respect, and revere Jesus Christ as a great Messenger of God without having the Christians to convince them by means of Biblical dialectics.
Out of the ‘thousands’ of prophecies referred to, can you please give me just one single prophecy where Jesus is mentioned by name? The term Messiah, translated as Christ, is not a name but a title. Is there a single prophecy where it says that the name of the Messiah will be Jesus, and that his mother’s name will be Mary, that his supposed father will be Joseph the Carpenter; that he will be born in the reign of Herod the King, etc? No! There are no such details! Then how can you conclude that those ‘Thousand’ prophecies refer to Jesus, peace be upon him?”

What is Prophecy?
The Dominee replies: “You see, prophecies are word pictures of something that is going to happen in the future. When that thing actually comes to pass, we see vividly in these prophecies the fulfillment of what had been predicted in the past.” I said: “What you actually do is that you deduce, you reason, you put two and two together.” He said: “Yes.” I said: “If this is what you have to do with a ‘thousand’ prophecies to justify your claim with regards to the genuineness of Jesus, why should we not adopt the very same system for Muhammad?” The Dominee agreed that it was a fair proposition, a reasonable way of dealing with the problem.
I asked him to open up Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, which he did. I read from memory the verse in Afrikaans, because this was my purpose in having a little practice with the language of the ruling race in South Africa.
“N Profeet sal ek vir hulle verwek uit die midde van hulle broers, soos jy is, en ek sal my woorde in sy mond le, en hy sy sal aan hulle se alle wat ekhom beveel.” (Deut 18:18)
The English translation reads as follows:
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.” (Deut 18:18)

Prophet Like Moses
Having recited the verse in Afrikaans, I apologized for my uncertain pronunciation; the Dominee assured me that I was doing fine. I inquired: “To whom does this prophecy refer?” Without the slightest hesitation he answered: “Jesus!” I asked: “Why Jesus? his name is not mentioned here” The Dominee replied: “Since prophecies are word pictures of something that is going to happen in the future, we find that the wordings of this verse adequately describe him. You see, the most important words of this prophecy are ‘soos jy is’, ‘like unto thee’, or ‘like you’ – like Moses; and Jesus is like Moses.”
I asked the Dominee: “In which way is Jesus like Moses?” The answer was: “In the first place Moses was a Jew and Jesus was also a Jew; secondly, Moses was a Prophet and Jesus was also a Prophet – therefor Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses – ‘soos jy is’.”
“Can you think of any other similarities between Moses and Jesus?” I asked. The Dominee said that he could not think of any. I replied: “If these are the only two criteria for discovering a candidate for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the criteria could fit any one of the following Biblical personages after Moses:- Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist etc., because they were also all Jews as well as Prophets. Why should we not apply this prophecy to any one of these prophets, and why only to Jesus?” The Dominee had no reply. I continued: “You see, my conclusions are that Jesus is most unlike Moses, and if I am wrong I would like you to correct me.”

Three Unlike
So staying, I reasoned with him: “In the first place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to you, Jesus is God, but Moses is not God, is this true?” He said: “Yes.” I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!”. “Secondly, according to you, Jesus died for the sins of the world, but Moses did not have to die for the sins of the world. Is this true?” He again said: “Yes.” I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!”. “Thirdly, according to you, Jesus went to Hell for three days, but Moses did not have to go there. Is this true?” He answered meekly: “Y-e-s!” I concluded: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!”. “But Dominee,, ” I continued: “, these are not hard, solid facts, they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble and fall. Let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if the little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no difficulty following it, shall we?” The Dominee was quiet happy at the suggestion.

Father and Mother
“Moses had a father and a mother. Muhammad also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this true?” He said: “Yes.” I said: “Daarom is Jesus nie soos Moses nie, maar Muhammad is soos Moses!” Meaning: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses!” (By now the reader will realize that I was using the Afrikaans language only for practice purposes. I shall discontinue its use in this narration).

Miraculous Birth
“Moses and Muhammad were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St. Matthew 1:18 “, before they came together, (Joseph the Carpenter and Mary) she was found with child by the Holy Ghost.” And St. Luke tells us that when the good news of the birth of a holy son was announced to her, Mary reasoned: “How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the highest shall overshadow thee”(Luke 1:35).
The Holy Quran confirms the miraculous birth of Jesus, in nobler and sublimer terms. In answer to her logical question:
‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?’ The angel says in reply: ‘Even so, Allah createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it ‘Be’, and it is’ (the Holy Quran, 3:47).
It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception of the of birth of Jesus. (When I compared the Quran and the Biblical versions of the birth of Jesus to the head of the Bible Society in our largest city, and when I inquired: “Which version would you prefer to give your daughter, the Quranic version or the Biblical version?” The man bowed his head and answered: “The Quranic.”)(see Christ in Islam for the author).
In short, I said to the Dominee: “Is it true that Jesus was born miraculously as against the natural birth of Moses and Muhammad?” He replied proudly: “Yes!” I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses. And God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 ‘Like unto thee’, ‘Like You’, like Moses and Muhammad is like Moses.”

Marriage Ties
“Moses and Muhammad married and had children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life. Is this true?” The Dominee said: “Yes.” I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses.”

Jesus Rejected by his People
“Moses and Muhammad were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhammad’s life impossible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible, “He (Jesus) Came unto his own, but his own revived him not”(John 1:11). And even today, after two thousand years, his people, the Jews, as a whole, have rejected him. Is this true?” The Dominee said: “Yes.” I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses.”

“Other Worldly” Kingdom
“Moses and Muhammad were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of man and this Guidance he conveys to God’s creatures as received without any addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment, he is a king. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day, and Moses had him stoned to death? (Numbers 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of Moses. Muhammad too, had the power of life and death over his people. There are instances in the Bible of persons who were given gift of prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their message, were the prophets Lot, Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the message, but could not enforce the Law. Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, also belonged to this category.
The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this. When Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defense to refute the false charge: Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now is my Kingdom not from hence”(John 18:36).
This convinced Pilate (a pagan) that though Jesus might not be in full possession of his mental faculty, he did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a prophet. Is this true?” The Dominee answered: “Yes.” I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses.”

No New Laws
“Moses and Muhammad brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhammad comes to a people steeped in ignorance. They married their step-mothers and buried their daughters alive; drunkenness, idolatry, and gambling were the order of the day. There was hardly anything to distinguish between the ‘man’ and the ‘animal’ of the time. From this abject ignorance, Muhammad elevated the Arabs, in the words of Thomas Carlysle, ‘Into torch-bearers of light and learning. To the Arab nation it was as a birth from darkness into light. Arabia first became alive by means of it. A poor shepherd people, roaming unnoticed in its deserts since the creation of the world. See, the unnoticed becomes world notable, the small has grown world-great. Within one century afterwards Arabia was at Granada on one hand and at Delhi on the other. Glancing in valor and splendor, and the light of Genius, Arabia shines over section of the world, ’. The fact is that Muhammad gave his people a Law and Order they never had before. As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an impostor with designs to pervert their teachings. Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion – no new laws and no new regulations. I quote his own words: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law of the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot of one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.’(Mathew 5:17-18).
In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulation he came only to fulfill the old law. This what he gave the Jews to understand unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This Messenger of God would never resort to such foul means to subvert the Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a single Jew point a finger at him to say: ‘”Why don’t you fast’ or ‘why don’t you wash your hands before you break bread’, which charges they always levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is because as a good Jew he honored the laws of the prophets who preceded him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new law like Moses and Muhammad.”
“Isn’t this true?” I asked the Dominee, and he answered: “Yes.” I said: “Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses.”

How they Departed
“Both Moses and Muhammad died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was killed on the cross. Is this true?” The Dominee said: “Yes.” I averred: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses.”

Heavenly Abode
“Moses and Muhammad both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus is in heaven. Is this true? The Dominee agreed. I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses.”

Ishmael the First Born
Since the Dominee was helplessly agreeing with every point, I said: “Dominee, so far what I have done is to prove only one point out of the whole prophecy – that is proving the phrase ‘Like unto thee’ – ‘Like You’, like Moses’. The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows:
‘I will raise them up a prophet from among their bretheren like unto thee, ’
The emphasis is on the words “From among their brethren.” Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, as a whole, and as such their brethren would undoubtedly be the Arabs.
Abraham had two wives, Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son, his first born, ‘, and Abraham called his son’s name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.’ (Genesis 16:15). ‘And Abraham took Ishmael his son, ’ (Genesis 17:23). ‘And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.’ (Genesis 17:25).
Up to the age of thirteen Ishmael was the only son of Abraham, then God grants him another son through Sarah, named Isaac, who was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Arabs and Jews
If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the bretheren of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the children of Ishmael are the Arabs – so they are bretheren to one another. The Bible affirms: ‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his bretheren.’ (Genesis 16:12). ‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his bretheren.” (Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it – “From among their bretheren” (Deut.18:18).
There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise not from the Children of Israel nor from among themselves, but from among their brethren. Muhammad therefore was among their bretheren!

Words in the Mouth
The prophecy proceeds further: ‘, And I will put my words into his mouth, ’ What does it mean when it is said ‘I will put my words in your mouth’? You see, when I asked you (the Dominee) to open Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read, would I be putting my words into your mouth? The Dominee answered: “No.” But, I continued: “If I were to teach you a language like Arabic, about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e. “Say: ‘He is Allah the One and Only; Allah, the eternal absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.’ (the Holy Quran 112:1-4) (I read them in Arabic). Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?” The Dominee agreed that it was indeed so. “In an identical manner”, I said: “The words of the Holy Quran, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhammad, were revealed.
History tells us that when Muhammad was forty years of age he was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue: ‘Eqra!’, which means ‘Read!’, or ‘Recite!’ Muhammad was terrified, and in his bewilderment replied that he was not learned!. The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues. Now Muhammad, grasps that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:
‘Read! In the Name of the Lord and Charisher, Who Created. Created man from a (mere) clot of congealed blood: Read! and thy Lord is the Most Bountiful, He Who taught (the use of) the pen, taught man that which he new not”. (the Holy Quran 96:1-5).
These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhammad, which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Quran.

The Faithful Witness
When the angel departed, Muhammad rushed to his home. Terrified and sweating all over he asked his wife Khadija to ‘cover-him up!’ He lay down, and she watched by him. When he had regained his composure, he explained to her what he had seen and heard. She assured him of her faith in him and that Allah would not allow any terrible thing to happen to him. Are these the confessions of an impostor? Would impostors confess that when an angel of the Lord confronts them with a Message from on High, they get fear-stricken, terrified, and sweating all over, run home to their wives? Any critic can see that his reactions and confessions are that of an honest, sincere man.
During the next twenty three years of his life, words were ‘put into his mouth’, and he uttered them. They made an indelible impression on his heart and mind; and as the volume of the Sacred Scripture, the Holy Quran, grew, they were recorded on palm-leaf libre, on skins; and in the hearts of his devoted disciples. Before his demise these words were arranged according to his instructions in the order in which we find them today in the Holy Quran.
The words (revelation) were actually put into his mouth, exactly as foretold in the prophecy under discussion: “And I will put my words in his mouth.” (Deut 18:18).

Unlettered Prophet
Muhammad’s experience in the Cave of Hira, and his response to that first Revelation is the exact fulfillment of another Biblical Prophecy. In the Book of Isaiah, chapter 29, verse 12, we read: ‘And the Book is delivered to him that is not learned’ (Isaiah 29:12). ‘The Unlettered prophet’ (the Holy Quran 7:158). And the Biblical verse continues: ‘Saying, read this, I pray thee:’ ‘And he saith, I am not learned.’. ‘I am not learned.’ is the exact translation of the Arabic words which Muhammad uttered twice to the Holy Spirit, the Archangel Gabriel, when he was commanded: ‘Read!’).
Let me quote the verse in full without a break as found in the King James Version, or the Authorized Version as it is more popularly know: ‘And the Book is delivered to him that is no learned, saying: ‘Read this I pray thee’. And he saith: ‘I am not learned.’ (Isaiah 29:12).
Important note : It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles in existence in the 6th century of the Christian Era when Muhammad lived and preached. Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. He never knew how to read and write Arabic, his own language, let alone knowing a completely different one.
‘He does not speak (aught) of (his own) desire: It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by One Mighty in Power’ (the Holy Quran 53:3-5).
Without any human learning, ‘he put to shame the wisdom of the learned’.

Grave Warning
“See!” I told the Dominee, “how the prophecies fit Muhammad like a glove. We do not have to stretch prophecies to justify their fulfillment in Muhammad.” The Dominee replied, “All your expositions sound very well, but they are of no real consequence, because we Christians have Jesus Christ the incarnate God, who has redeemed us from the Bondage of Sin!” I asked: “Not important? God didn’t think so! He had His warnings recorded in the scriptures. God knew that there would be people like you who will light-heartedly discount His words, so He followed up Deuteronomy 18:18 with a dare warning:
‘And it shall come to pass (it is going to happen), that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My Name, I will require if of him.’
(In the Catholic Bible the ending words are ‘I will be the revenger’, ‘I will take revenge!’). “Does not this terrify you? God Almighty is threatening revenge! We shake in our pants if some hoodlum threatens us, yet you have no fear of God’s warning?”
Miracle of Miracles! in the verse 19 of Deuteronomy chapter 18, we have a further fulfillment of the prophecy in Muhammad! Note the words ‘, My words which he shall speak in My Name’. In whose name is Muhammad speaking?” I opened Yusuf Ali’s translation of the Holy Quran, at chapter 114, Surat An-Nas, or The Chapter of Mankind, the last chapter of the Quran, and showed him the formula at the head of the chapter, and the meaning:
‘In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful’.
And the heading of chapter 113, and the meaning: ‘In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful’. And every chapter downwards 112, 111, 110,, was the same formula and the same meaning on every page, because the end surahs (chapters) are short and take about a page each. And what did the prophecy demand? ‘, Which he shall speak in My Name’; and in whose name does Muhammad speak? In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
The Prophecy is being fulfilled in Muhammad to the letter; every chapter of the Holy Quran except the 9th begin with the formula: ‘In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful’. The Muslim begins his every lawful act with the Holy formula. But the Christian begins: ‘In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.’
Concerning Deuteronomy chapter eighteen, I have given you more than 15 reasons as to how this prophecy refers to Muhammad and not to Jesus.

Baptist Contradicts Jesus
In New Testament times, we find that the Jews were still expecting the fulfillment of the prophecy of One like Moses, refer John 1:19-25.
When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews, the Jews began to esquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:
“Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not,,  then the Disciples understood that he spoke unto them of John the Baptist.” (Mathew 17:11-13).
According to the New Testament the Jews were not the ones to swallow the words of any would-be Messiah. In their investigations they underwent intense difficulties in order to find their true Messiah. And this the Gospel of John confirms: “And this is the record of John (the Baptist), when the Jews sent priests and levites from Jerusalem to ask him, ‘Who art thou?’, and he confessed and denied not; but confessed, ‘I am not the Christ’ ” (This was only natural because there can’t be two Messiahs at the same time. If Jesus was the Christ then John couldn’t be the Christ!) “And they asked him: ‘What then? Art thou Elias?’ And he saith: ‘I am not’ ” Here John the Baptist contradicts Jesus! Jesus says that John is Elias and John denies that he is what Jesus ascribes him to be. One of the two (Jesus or John), God forbid!, is definitely not speaking the truth!
On the testimony of Jesus himself, John the Baptist was the greatest of the Israelite prophets: “Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women, there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist” (Matthew 11:11).
We Muslims know John the Baptist as Yahya. We revere him as a true prophet of Allah. The Holy Prophet Jesus known to us as Eesa, is also esteemed as one of the mightiest messenger of the Almighty. How can we Muslims impute lies to either of them? We leave this problem between Jesus and John for the Christians to solve, for their “Sacred Scriptures abound in discrepancies which they have been glossing over as the ‘dark sayings of Jesus’ ” (See the Times Magazine December 30th, 1974, article How true is the Bible?).
We Muslims are really interested in the last questions posed to John the Baptist by the Jewish elite – Art thou that prophet? And he answered, “No.”(John 1:21).

[size=16pt]Three Questions![/size]
Please note that three different and distinct questions were posed to John the Baptist, and to which he gave three emphatic No’s as answers. To recapitulate:
“Art thou the Christ?”
“Art thou Elias ?”
“Art thou that Prophet?”
But the learned men of Christendom somehow only see two questions implied here. To make doubly clear that the Jews definitely had three separate prophecies in their minds when they were interrogating John the Baptist. Let us read the remonstrance of the Jews in the verses following:
“And they asked him, and said unto him: ‘Why baptizest thou then, if
thou be not that Christ,
nor Elias,
neither that Prophet ?’ ”
(John 1:25).
The Jews were waiting for the fulfillment of three distinct prophecies: a. the coming of Christ. b. the coming of Elias, and c. the coming of that Prophet.

“That Prophet”
If we look up any Bible which has a concordance or cross-references, then we will find in the marginal note where the words the Prophet, or that Prophet occur in John 1:25, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18. And that that Prophet – the Prophet like Moses – “Like unto thee”, we have proved through overwhelming evidence that he was Muhammad and not Jesus!
Muslims are not denying that Jesus was the Messiah, which word is translated as Christ. We are not contesting the Thousand and One Prophecies which the Christians claim abound in the Old Testament foretelling the coming of the Messiah. What we say is that Deuteronomy 18:18 does not refer to Jesus Christ but it is an explicit prophecy about the prophet Muhammad!.”
The Dominee, very politely parted with me by saying that it was a very interesting discussion and he would like me very much to come one day and address his congregation on the subject. A decade and half has passed since then but I am still awaiting that privilege.
I believe the Dominee was sincere when he made the offer, but prejudices die hard, and who would like to loose his sheep?

The Acid Test
To the Lambs of Christ I say, why not apply that acid test which the Master himself wanted you to apply to any would be claimant to prophethood? He had said:
“By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes from the thorns, of figs from the thistles? Every good tree will bear good fruit and every evil tree will bear evil fruit… By their fruits ye shall know them”. (Mathew 7:16-20).
Why are you afraid to apply this test to the teachings of Muhammad? You will find in the Last Testament of God, the Holy Quran, the true fulfillment of the teachings of Moses and Jesus which will bring to the world the much needed peace and happiness. George Bernard Shaw was quoted as saying:
“If a man like Muhammad were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.”
The weekly news magazine Time dated July 15, 1974, carried a selection of opinions by various historians, writers, military men, businessmen an others on the subject: “Who were History’s Great Leaders?” Some said that it was Hitler; others said Gandhi, Buddha, Lincoln and the like. But Jules Masserman, a United States psychoanalyst, put the standards straight by giving the correct criteria wherewith to judge. He said: “Leaders must fulfill three functions:
Provide for the well-being of the led,
Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure, and
Provide them with one set of beliefs.”
With the above three criteria he searches history and analyses Hitler, Pasteur, Gaesar, Moses, Confucius and the lot, and ultimately concludes: “People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Ghandi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar, and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second, and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Muhammad, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same.”
According to the objective standards set by the professor of the Chicago University, Jesus and Buddha are nowhere in the picture of the “Great Leaders of Mankind”, but by a queer coincidence groups Moses and Muhammad together, thus adding further weight to the argument that Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses. Deut 18:18 “Like unto thee”, like Moses!
In conclusion, I end with a quotation of a Christian Reverend the commentator of the Bible, followed by that of his Master:
“The ultimate criterion of a true prophet is the moral character of his teaching.” (Prof. Dummelow).
“By their fruits ye shall know them.” (Jesus Christ)
A concluding suggestion : come let us reason together!
“Say: ‘O People of the Book! Come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah (God); that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah (God)’. If then they turn back, say: ‘Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (Bowing to God’s Will).’ ” (the Holy Quran 3:64)
People of the Book is the respectful title given to the Jews and the Christians in the Holy Quran. The Muslims are here commanded to invite, O People of the Book!, O Learned People!, O People who claim to be the recipients of Divine Revelation, of a Holy Scripture; let us gather together onto a common platform, “that we worship none but Allah (God)”, because none but God is worthy of worship, not because “The Lord thy God is a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me.” (Exodus 20:25). But because He is our Lord and Cherisher, our Sustainer and Evolver, worthy of all praise, prayer and devotion.
In the abstract the Jews and the Christians would agree to all the three propositions contained in this Quranic verse. In practice they fail. Apart from doctrinal lapses from the unity of the One True God, Allah, may He be praised, there is the question of a consecrated Priesthood (among the Jews it was hereditary also), as if a mere human being – Cohen or Pope, or Priest, or Brahuman, – could claim superiority apart from his learning and the purity of his life, or could stand between man and God in some special sense. Islam does not recognize priesthood!.
The Creed of Islam is given to us here in a nutshell from Holy Quran:
“Say ye: ‘We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes (of the Children of Israel), And that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).’ ” (the Holy Quran 2:136).
The Muslim position is clear. The Muslim does not claim to have a religion peculiar to himself. Islam is not a sect or an ethnic religion. In its view all religion is one, for the Truth is one:
“It was the same religion preached by all the earlier prophets.” (the Holy Quran 42:13).
It was the truth taught by all the inspired Books. In essence it amounts to a consciousness of the Will and Plan of God and a joyful submission to that Will and Plan. If anyone wants a religion other than that, he is false to his own nature, as he is false to God’s Will and Plan. Such a one cannot expect guidance, for he has deliberately renounced guidance.

^^^^^^

Rubbish Supremacist ideology.!!!

bashy_demy:

the worst muslim that is better than the best christian dont you see that? its written all over the place Allah is Great

Was Jesus the only begotten son of God before muhammed was born (Yes)
Was Jesus the same true only son of God, during muhammed days (Yes)
Is Jesus Christ still the true only son of God, and the only way in which man must be saved after Mohammed (Yes)

He was, He has been, and He is still. No man can change or challenge the word of God almighty.
The divine word right from the creation of the word in the bible is the only word, outside it is False.

How about the Islamic temple the KAABA, its origin:
Muslim Kaaba=idol temple right from origin
Will Abraham build an idol temple for God=No
Is the Jewish History, or the Bible knew Islam will insert a lie on Abraham stay in Mecca? No
Did the book(kuran) written by an illiterate (Moha) know better than History? No
Does the route and travels of Abraham recorded in The Bible matched with what Mohammed recorded?=No
Kaaba= 360 idols installed for worshipping (the 3 godesses of Islam till date. Is called ALLAH.
Kaaba = The demons are still there, God cannot dwell in a place dedicated for Satan.
Musilm are worship Idols, they cant deny this, people Of God, be warned.

@topic, Mohammed no even near the prophecy of Moses. He was absolutely not the one.

–@LagosShia: “What the Bible says about Muhammad” will no doubt come as a surprise to many of you because the speaker is a Muslim. How does it come about that a Muslim happens to be expounding prophecies from the Jewish and Christian Scriptures?

Mahammed is an outsider cant u understand? He is not even a decendant of Ishmael to start with.
The God of Israel, never recognised Ishmael as one of His chosen people. Abraham, Moses etc are all.
Why shouldnt they expound their prophecies in the Kuran as it is the Divine book from the 3godesses allah.
U must continue to decieve urself not others.

(2)Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

(3) Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and"perform great signs and miracles" to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.

(4)Ezekiel 22:27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain

LagosShia:

[size=14pt]“THE PROPHET LIKE MOSES”(Deuteronomy 18:18)  IN Ahmad Deedat’s “What does the Bible say about Muhammad?”[/size]

You are a confused man. Quoting passages from the Bible does not mean you understand them. 'THE PROPHET LIKE MOSES' thing was a revelation of things to come. As Moses saved the children of Israelite from the hand of Pharaoh (Evil one), so shall the PROPHET LIKE MOSES (JESUS) save the children of God from the devil. This revelation was accomplished when Jesus died for the sins of the world and saved billions from death (spiritual).

It is a common phenomenon for Muslim preachers to read the Bible and confusedly misquote and misguided their slaves. All scripture (Bible) is a revelation from God with spiritual undertone revealed to only those who ask for it. An Imam cannot understand the Bible because he is a baby. Baby drinks milk, whilst real men eat meat.  The body of Christ is a meat for Christians which was broken down for them. The Muslims read the Bible but are blind to see what was written (they have eyes, but cannot see). Except it be given to them from above, they will never understand the thing of the spirit.

God is not an author of confusion. HE does not want to see the foolish ones perish but that they will one day come to the light (Jesus). For there's only one way (no short cut) to arrive in Paradise. No amount of charity or good behaviour would see a man through paradise. A paradise where there will be no 70 virgins waiting for the suicide bombers. God loves everyone but also have principles. Just like you have to see the secretary in an office before seeing the manager or CEO, so also God has placed Jesus as his secretary to His office. There's no by-pass. you have to accept Jesus and believe God sent him, then your paradise is certain.

Mohammed was a fabricated prophet auditioned by  those who hungrily needed a religion to rival Christianity. Praising God can come in any fold. You could stand, bow, hit your head on the ground or even roll over.  Muslims believe this idea was obtained from them because some people in the Bible actually bow, wash their face and feet and some even removed their shoes. Depending on when you're born, the world is changing, and you have to change with it. Everything God created was good, even dogs, pigs and the rest of the animals Muslims spitefully despise.

Arabs and Jews

If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the bretheren of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the children of Ishmael are the Arabs – so they are bretheren to one another. The Bible affirms: ‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his bretheren.’ (Genesis 16:12). ‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his bretheren.” (Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it – “From among their bretheren” (Deut.18:18).
There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise not from the Children of Israel nor from among themselves, but from among their brethren. Muhammad therefore was among their bretheren!

All the Past Jewish prophets of God ever in serious war conflicts withing themselves? how was their relationship? Are what is brotherly today? Are the Arabs(ishmaelite) in brotherly with the Jews(Iseac/Israel) ? If Gos had wanted to use Ishmael, he has all the power to refused Abraham from Isaec. The generation of Israel cannot be diverted by a false interpretation of the Holy bible.

Jesus rejected by his people

“Moses and Muhammad were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhammad’s life impossible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible, “He (Jesus) Came unto his own, but his own revived him not”(John 1:11). And even today, after two thousand years, his people, the Jews, as a whole, have rejected him. Is this true?” The Dominee said: “Yes.” I said: “Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses.”

Yes the Jews rejected Jesus, but if Mohammed fits in the Prohecy, why didnt they accept him as as they accepted Moses?
Did the Jews embrace Islam as the God's sent doctrine? So many things can make Moha fits in never mind.
Tell us the miraclous birth of Mohammed and the similar miracles he perfored as Moses. More are to be discussed!

‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?’ The angel says in reply: ‘Even so, Allah createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it ‘Be’, and it is’ (the Holy Quran, 3:47).

Tell me what sense does it make to have copied the Bible? Evrything written in the kuran was copied. Mohammed had read from the deut 18: and believed he could by forced himself to fits in counting on Ishmael the child that came through the slave Egpytian, and was sent away because they dont belong in the recognized descendant. God is not wicked, but removed confusion in from His people.

Yet the devil is still pressing out this confusion, only ignorant will ever be confused with the devil stratagie.

Tell me again how natural was the death Of mohammed that u ve compered it with Moses? Do u know what it means to die a natural death? Jesus mother is one to count on, they go to sleep not struggle with death.

This has nothing to do with similarities. Come to count on miracles. How did God speak to Mohammed? God stricked Moses sister with Leprousy because of the relationship he has with Moses, he dialogue with him like face to face, no angel was inbetween them.

Did Mohammed had this too? Or the framed Angel Gabriel? U must fear God LagosShian.

I have said this before, join the winning side. If Ahmed Deedat is your ticket to convince yourselves and others that Mohammed was prophesied in the bible, you my friend are in trouble.

I would love to write an essay but even i wouldn't read it :-)

I read your post and it was full of lies and deliberate spinning, it is low.

I am glad that your Ahmed Deedat called us people of the book. Your quran said your prophet should ask the people of the book if he had any doubt of what was revealed to him. Firstly, is there any prophet in the bible who needed to be assured about the revelation given to them?

Now going to Deut 18:18, the problem with you guys is that you only always pick verse 15 and jump to verse 18 without looking at the verses in that context, from the context a child can tell the prophet who was to be like Moses is not Mohammed. Boy that Ahmed Deedat sure is a liar! Bearing in mind that the LORD was addressing the people of Israel in the wilderness. Their brothers/brethren (12 tribes of Israel) how is an Ishmaelite going to be that prophet? Read from verse 1 about the Levites inheritance from their brothers.

15 "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen— 16just as you desired of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.' 17And the LORD said to me, 'They are right in what they have spoken. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or[f] who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.' 21And if you say in your heart, 'How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?'— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Did your prophet know the Lord face to face? Deut 34:10 says 10And there has not arisen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, Another reason why Mohammed is not like Moses

Also Numbers 12:5-8 says 5And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward. 6And he said, "Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. 7Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" Can you see another glaring example why Mohammed is not that prophet. I thought Angel Jibril always brought the revelations to Mohammed, he never spoke to God face to face. Please prove me wrong in your quran.

But if you go to Acts 3:22-24, Apostle Peter referred to the same Deut 18:15 till the end. So my brother, Ahmed Deedat's argument does not hold water for Deut 18.

I know this has been discussed here before time and time again, if you guys have a new revelation or prophesy to bring forward lets see it.

I will address John 1 in a bit.

I can't just stop laughing. But i remember some verses wish says we have Block their ears.  Some people are so blind and deaf to see and hear the truth. But i remember God said he will revenge. I fear this word so much and i pray not to see God revenge ooo.

Did your prophet know the Lord face to face? Deut 34:10 says 10And there has not arisen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, Another reason why Mohammed is not like Moses

Also Numbers 12:5-8 says 5And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward. 6And he said, "Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. 7Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" Can you see another glaring example why Mohammed is not that prophet. I thought Angel Jibril always brought the revelations to Mohammed, he never spoke to God face to face. Please prove me wrong in your quran.

But if you go to Acts 3:22-24, Apostle Peter referred to the same Deut 18:15 till the end. So my brother, Ahmed Deedat's argument does not hold water for Deut 18.

U must know that the koran says tht mohammad was not blessed with the power of working miracles (Surah 17:61: see Baidawi's and Abbasi's commentaries: Surahs 2:112; 6:37,57,109; 7:202; 10:21; 13:8,30; 29:49,50) A shameful way to hid the falsehood.

Proo212: brother, Ahmed Deedat's argument does not hold water for Deut 18.

Muslims will do anything to brainwash people. Dont be surprised by this whole this came directly from them.

This Reverend gentleman was expounding Biblical prophecies. He went on to prove that the Christian Bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia, and the Last Days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that his Holy Book did not leave even the Pope out of its predictions. He expatiated vigorously in order to convince his audience that the Beast 666 mentioned in The Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament, was the Pope, who was the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Christian scholars are ingenious and indefatigable in their efforts to prove their case. Rev. Hiten’s lectures led me to ask that if the Bible foretold so many things – not even excluding the “Pope” and “Israel”, – then surely it must have something to say about the greatest benefactor of mankind, prophet Muhammad, may the peace of Allah be upon him.

Another brainwashing, this time, its the Catholics, islam is the Serpent, his tongue is deciet, he uses Christians against Christians. Islam is Evil, we are not ignorant of This.

If we look into the words "from the midst of thee" is certainly genuine. The meaning is clear. Even as true that Ishmael was Isaac's half-brother, despite the way he came in, but, if the Ishmaelites may be called the brethren of Israel, assuredly, the Israelite tribes may more correctly be called one another's brethren. (Compare[1], surah 7:83, "their brother Shu'aib." Israelites are called one another's brethren in this very book of Deuteronomy, e.g., in chapters 3:18; 15:7; 17:15; 24:14. In ch. 17:15 we have an exactly parallel passage in reference to the appointment of a king: "one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee. "If we look deeply into History, we see that the kingdoms of Europe are ruled by kings who belong to families. Back to History, we never hear of the Israelites appointing over themselves a foreigner as king. If its done, They should have gone to the Ishmaelites for their kings, if the moslim explanation of "from among their brethren" in Deut. 18:18 is correct.
They did not do so, they understand their own language. the Taurat clearly says that no prophet was to be expected from Ishmael, for God's covenant was made with Isaac, not with him (Gen. 17:18-21; 21:10-12). If u feel like reading to get the feltish hope off your mind, better for u.

The kuran also, with his false commands,  speaks of the prophetic office as having been entrusted to Isaac's seed (Surah 29:27; Surah 45:15). Although we do not need the Koran to know this. The promised prophet was to be sent unto Israel, but Muhammad professed to be sent to the Arabians among whom he was born. As for a likeness to Moses, we learn from Deut. 34:10-12, that the two points in which the Israelites expected the coming prophet to resemble Moses were: (I) personal knowledge of God, Moha has not it: and (2) mighty works. As regards the "former"(Moses), is there not a tradition that mohammad said, "we ve not known thee in the truth of Thy knowledge (or 'as Thou shouldest be known')"? With reference to mighty works,[2] the koran tells us that mohammad was not[3] given the power of working miracles a Surah 17:61: see Baidawi's and Abbasi's commentaries: Surahs 2:112; 6:37,57,109; 7:202; 10:21; 13:8,30 Yet he is a prophet? What prophet that was not given the power of working Miracles? God has change and become weak over night!