Notes: (AISHA WAS NOT 9 YEARS OLD OR A CHILD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER)
[8] The popular version of ‘Ãisha’s youth age has been exploited by the anti-Islamic groups to attack the Prophet “for marrying a child”. The fact of the matter is that Lady ‘Ãisha was not a child when she was married in 2 AH to the Prophet. At-Tabari, the famous Muslim historian, writes that Abu Bakr’s first two wives and their children were all born in the pre-Islamic era. (Ta’rīkh at-Tabari, vol. 2 [Beirut: al-A‘lami, n.d.] p. 616.) Based on this, even if she was born a year before the commencement of Islam, ‘Ãisha would be 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage to the Prophet – an age in which marriage is common in most cultures. Ibn Kathīr, in his al-Bidãyah wa ’n-Nihãyah (vol. 8, p. 381) states that Asmã’ bint Abu Bakr, the sister of ‘Ãisha, was ten years older than ‘Ãisha. He also reports that Asmã’ died in the year 73 AH at the age of 100. Based on this calculation, ‘Ãisha was 18 or 19 years old at the time of her marriage.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-53711.0.html#msg7170329

and even more useless are those who believe that a true Prophet of God can actually do such a thing.

the issue about Aisha's age and some compilers of hadiths who lowered her age (when she got married) to infancy has political underlining.Aisha is disliked well by the Shia,who dont spare exposing her wrongs even to this day.and she is respected by the Sunnis,who recognize her father,abu bakr, as the 1st caliph (successor to the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.).the Shia view abu bakr as a usurper and believe Imam Ali (as) was designated by the Prophet (sa) with divine command to be the first successor.

Aisha was responsible for the killings of thousands of muslims in her war against Imam Ali (as),after the death of the Prophet (sa).that war is refered to as the "battle of jamal".she also disobeyed the Prophet (sa) by going to war as he had prophesied before his death that she should not leave her house and if she does to fight Imam Ali (as),the dogs of Hawab will bark at her.that exactly happened and greatly worried her.

to make Aisha look more innocent and exonerate her actions,they lower her age.in that way,they can argue and ameliorate many of her bad deeds by the excuse that it was the Prophet (sa) who raised Aisha up from infancy.in other words,she got "prophetic manners".ofcourse,alongside lowering her age comes other fanciful accolades given to Aisha like spreading the lie that she was the Prophet's "favorite wife".
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-729702.0.html#msg8875711

It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother". A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin", are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage

In general use, the word "apocrypha" came to mean "false, spurious, bad, or heretical."  in the dictionary its defined as various religious writings of uncertain origin regarded by some as inspired, but rejected by most authorities. [2] writings, statements, etc., of doubtful authorship or authenticity

Dr. Taha Hussein (November 14, 1889—October 28, 1973) nicknamed "Dean of Arabic Literature" was one of the most influential 20th century Egyptian writers and intellectuals,.

The Stream of Days (1943).-Gāhilī}(a  book by Taha) in which he expressed doubt about the authenticity of much traditional Arabic poetry, claiming that it may have been faked during ancient times due to tribal pride and competition between those tribes. In this book, he also hinted indirectly that the Quran should not be taken as an objective source of history[b] Naturally this book excited the intense anger and hostility of al-Azhar and many other traditionalists, and he was prosecuted with the accusation of insulting Islam[/b], but the public prosecutor stated that what Taha Hussein said was the opinion of an academic researcher and no legal action was taken against him, although he lost his post at Cairo University in 1931. His book was banned but was later published with slight modifications under the title "On Pre-Islamic Literature". = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taha_Hussein

goggs:

LagosShia, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

once again you are caught pants down

You looovvveeeee quoting passages in isolation to trick gullible readers.

Here is the full passage from http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

And what are apocryphal writings?
.

Apocrypha writings are heretical writings that sought to add to the gospels of Christ by portraying him to have carried out more miracles than he really did, more apostles, miraculous things about Mary and so on. (also part of the Gnostic Gospels) These were rejected by early Church fathers and so till today have remained in the realm of history. Their application gained some traction in Arabia by indigenous early Christians. ( For the relationship between the Apocrypha writings and the Quran see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Infancy_Gospel ). Of course the falsehood couldn't stand for long and has since been proved false.

So what the encyclopedia is doing is to list all the heretical and false gospels concerning the Mary and Joeseph. Being an encyclopaedia, its on an academic enquiry. next time read the whole text.



Unlike in the Arab World, in-depth enquiry is allowed as facts breeds faith.

Compare this with;

See the difference, academic enquiry is not a problem in Christian world.

Next time you want to quote read the whole passage to gain an insight, OK?

LagosShia:

you have really made no sensible point.in fact you have only given me more bullets to shoot.let me make the following points to finish you off:

1.) just as the words you are pointing to show that the record concerning the marriage of Joseph,"husband of Mary",is disputed,likewise the writings pointing to Aisha's age at 6 or 9 years old are also unreliable because there are contradictory records on her age.there are records which are historic which point that Aisha could have been 16 to 19 years old at the time of her marriage.are there records to show that Mary was anything older than 12-14 years old and Joseph anything less than 90 years old? i have seen none.

2.) any writing that does not suit the church and their doctrines,from "gospels" or books that support arianism,refutes the trinity,crucifxion,and other roman catholic imposed doctrines are called apocrypha.why should anyone in his right senses follow what the church says and believe a book or record is an apocrypha because the church says so? who determines what is and what is not "apocrypha"? based on what conditions and why?

3.) for as long as christians exploit contradictory records on the marriage of Aisha to attack the person of our Prophet (sa),it is only fair and just for us to also make use of records which expose the tender age of Mary,the old age of Joseph and the conception of Mary to rub on the faces of christians.

4.) whether you agree with those records or not,is none of my business for so long as you do not have any record to prove that Mary was older than 12-14 years old and Joseph was younger than 90 years old.but as for us muslims,we have records which are reasonable and logical and can be relied upon that show that Aisha when she was married by the Prophet (sa) was 16-19 years old and may be even older based on calculations.so you can do yourself good by bringing us proof that Mary was not 12-14 years old and Joseph was not 90 years old at the time of their engagement and when Mary conceived Jesus miraculously.if you cannot provide us with evidence contrary to the record the church deems apocrypha then you have no excuse not to accept that record.calling it "apocrypha" without presenting another historic record to show otherwise amounts to running away!!!

it is evident that had the church had any reliable or acceptable or any record at all that puts the age of Mary older and that of Joseph younger,they would have presented the record instead of [b]showing us record on their ages which they later turn and twist to call "apocrypha".[/b]them presenting what they call "apocrypha" on such an important subject,shows that they are out of words and record.it is also worth noting that,many reliable records and "gospels" existed from the early centuries of christianity which were rejected by the church because they did not appeal to their line of thinking and the doctrines they invented in their councils and the bible books they selected and voted for to add into the "canon of the bible" and the new testament.so really,i am not here to even debate what is acceptable or not to the church and christians knowing their method and history of cherry-picking to form their bible and doctrines.the point is there is record to make my case and counter your attack convincingly.

Aisha’s father did not approve at first

Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The prophet asked abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "but I am your brother." the prophet said, "you are my brother in Allah's religion and his book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Aisha was not the only one Muhammad thought about

In the classic history, Sirat Rasul Allah (The Life of Muhammad) by Ibn Ishaq, there is an account in which Muhammad expressed a marital interest in a crawling baby. This event seems to have occurred around the time of the battle of of Badr, when he was about 55 years old. He had married Aisha two years earlier, when he was 53 years of age.

(Suhayli, ii. 79: in the Riwaya of Yunus i. I. Recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu'lfadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, 'if she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.' but he died before she grew up and sufyan b. Al-aswad b. 'Abdu'l-asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him rizq and lubab… [Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, Karachi, p. 311]

Muhammad saw Um Habiba the daughter of Abbas while she was fatim (age of nursing) and he said, "if she grows up while I am still alive, I will marry her." (Musnad Ahmad, number 25636)

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl Aisha took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house.

Sahih Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and handle her.

The permanent committee for scientific research and religious sanctions:

Fatwa (religious sanction)

Number 41409 dated 7/5/1421

August 8, 2000
As for the thighing of the messenger of God to his fiancée Ayesha, she was six years old and he could not engage in intimate intercourse with her because of her young age, therefore he used to place his p.  e.n  .i  . s  between her thighs and rub it lightly.  In addition, the messenger of God had full control of his joystick in contrary to the believers.

goggs:


These are not my words oh!

goggs:

"A man can have intimate pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom"

""A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the
girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from
having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other intimate acts
such as pre-intimacy, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having
intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not
committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not
permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the
man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as
one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to
marry the girl’s sister.” - Ayatollah Khomeini, “Tahrir- ol-vasyleh”, Volume 4, Darol Elm, Qom, Iran, 1990, p. 221.

http://www.iranian.com/main/news/2010/02/10/tahrir-ol-vasyleh

goggs:

Spot the difference

Judek2:

Simply because he wanted to enjoy it fresh.

His old wife Khadija was no longer fresh[b],so goes to his sons wife,[/b] and other women too may have been old.

The old man needed a young, untouched and fresh maiden.

deols:

can u explain that pls and soon too, and preferably in your own words

deols:

can u explain that pls and soon too, and preferably in your own words

LagosShia:

leave him to dwell in ignorance.let the world see the kind of people attacking Islam.

LagosShia:

leave him to dwell in ignorance.let the world see the kind of people attacking Islam.

Judek2:

And let the world see how I'm lying against the Holy Prophet?

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl Aisha took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house.

Sahih Bukhari (6:298) -
Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and handle
her.

The permanent committee for scientific research and religious sanctions:
Fatwa (religious sanction) Number 41409 dated 7/5/1421 August 8, 2000
As for the thighing of the messenger of God to his fiancée Ayesha, she was six years old and he could not engage in intimate intercourse with her because of her young age, therefore he used to place his p. e.n .i . s between her thighs and rub it lightly. In addition, the messenger of God had full control of his joystick in contrary to the believers.

Judek2:

Posted by: goggs
What an innocent child.

Damn!! He must be arrested!!


Life inprisonment. For child s.e.xual abuse.

LagosShia:

christian hate fabrications exposed:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-845092.32.html#msg9988018

mama-gee:

Cause he wanted to marry someone young!!!

Judek2:

Nonsence. . Your links are useless.

As young as 9 years ,the man must be s.exually possesed.