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randomperson:
But you have...
Ronaldo has won international trophies while Messi hasn't= premise
Ronaldo is better than Messi= conclusion.
That's the definition of an argument

Has it gotten so bad that you are now arguing with yourself in my name? What kind of obsession is this?

DarkRebel101:
"An imbecilë is never bored: he contemplates himself. — Rémy de Gourmont.

And now we know how you spend your spare time, when you're not busy begging for handouts

DarkRebel101:
*Yawns*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iits4MOzeE

Good to see you've learned your lesson

randomperson:
It's obvious you're just grasping at straws here... U just keep repeating words like 'dull' and 'nuance' as if it adds credibility to your arguments...

I havent made any.

DarkRebel101:
Thank you, Godin. You are no doubt a very wise man.

I'm beginning to have doubts about Marcelo's abilities. Watching how he gave the ball away so cheaply and causing his team to concede made my bones weep.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qkCl7uDwiY

This is what you should have just done jejely when I asked you to leave me alone and you dey show yourself.

Now you wan form ignore lol. Mate I've chased you all the way to facebook, and I know it's you because your profile picture is the same on there as it is on here. I've got some nice pics to use sef. Shall we proceed?

randomperson:
This is going to be easy:
In terms of individual awards at club level Messi trumps Ronaldo.
In terms of team honors at club level, Messi trumps Ronaldo.
In terms of individual awards at international level, Messi trumps Ronaldo.
The only edge that Ronaldo has is when it comes to team trophies at international level.
So you only include the team trophies at international level and completely discount and ignore the other 3 categories Messi trumps Ronaldo??
Is that intellectual dishonesty or just intellectual deficiency?

Again, you're too dull to grasp nuance. This is the exact reason why I will continue to refuse to debate this issue with you. Far too dull.

randomperson:
Abegii!.... You're not getting drawn into an argument and you're still taking the time to explain why the Pedro analogy I made doesn't count...
You claim Ronaldo is better than Messi because of one particular measure or parameter then say in the same breadth that that measure doesn't apply to other players, which Kain double standard be that one??
BTW, you claim Ronaldo is better than Messi because of one trophy... But Messi has many more trophies than Ronaldo in spite of a shorter career

The problem with you, is that your determined to over-intellectualise a very simple discussion. That's why as soon as I saw your statement, I refused to get drawn into it. A lot of the time, I say stuff that's tongue in cheek. You will see me and Bykebyke,and Dippset caliming that Messi or Ronaldo is the best based on clothing style, chics, even that cocaine bust yesterday. Most of the time, I jest.

When you came at me with your 'logical approach', I was annoyed because you actually felt that you were saying something new.

Afterall, this is me talking to raumdeuter last year.

Nihilist:
List his individual awards

Any fool can luckily tag along and win a team trophy or two...afterall Pedro has more team trophies than both Ronaldo and Messi

The issue here is your inability to grasp context and nuance. I don't need to spell it out explicity that I can only compare Ronaldo to Messi because nobody else in world football comes close. This is why I told you that there is an implied discrimination from the beginning.

Now in terms of individual awards at club level, Ronaldo and Messi have won everything. In terms of Club competitions, Ronaldo and Messi have won everything. The only real difference between them lies at international level.

I'm sure you can figure it out from here.

DarkRebel101:
You're wasting time by bantering with a mental oyster.

Coogar junior is back again with twice the bluster and half the wit of the original.

Dude you better park well, before you get done dirty. I'm in a frisky mood today.

randomperson:
[s] If backing up your claims with reason and common sense is being silly, then what do we call making bare assertions without any proof whatsoever..[/s].

I have not made any assertion. I have told you I am not getting drawn into an argument with you. Mainly because you are to dull to realise that there is an implied discrimination already in place when discussing Ronaldo and Messi. Otherwise never mind Pedro, I could have just said Mikel Obi is better than Messi and called it a day.

randomperson:
I agree... Having your cherished delusions debunked can be very painful

You did not debunk jack, just made yourself look silly.

randomperson:
[s]Oh... So now you know balon D'ors matter? What about MVP awards at international tournaments? Do they matter too?[/s]

This is actually painful.

randomperson:
You obviously don't understand the concept of logic. If you claim Ronaldo is a better player than Messi because he has an international trophy, then Pedro is by your logic better than Ronaldo since he has three... There's no two way around it....
So the fact that the logical extension of the principle you're applying leads to the silly conclusion that Pedro is a better player than Ronaldo, shows that the principle is dead on arrival and cannot be used in judging who is the better player...

I don't need you to get into an argument with me, I just need you to understand simple logic

You are too dull mayne. Unfortunately, It takes more than harping on about 'logic' to be intelligent. You are the only one in the world who would bring Pedro into discussion about Messi and Ronaldo. I'm just here wondering how many Balon D'ors Pedro has...

randomperson:
I thought you were busy... Why take the time to type this??

I'm too busy to get into an argument with a faux-intellectual who doesn't understand why Pedro should never ever be brought into a discussion concerning Messi and Ronaldo.

On the flip side, I can recognise the dogged persistence of a Stan who ignores my repeated requests to fück off, and so I will continue to bless you with responses, rude or otherwise. I just wont get into an argument with you.

randomperson:
Quick advice: If you want to feign being busy in order to evade a question or argument, the better method would be not replying at all.

I'm not 'evading' you.

I'm disdainfully telling you to get on your bike and ride into the distance.

randomperson:
You can keep telling yourself that as long as it makes you feel good... It's obvious you don't have any counter arguments, so you just keep repeating the same nonsense...
And bringing Pedro is an apt analogy because it shows the flaws in using international team trophies to determine the better player...
You don't want to stick with the logic you used coz that will mean Pedro is a better player than Ronaldo, which of course will be a silly conclusion...

Go play somewhere. I'm busy.

randomperson:
Pedro has two Euros and a world cup, therefore he's better than Ronaldo right? Or you're just desperate to move on because you're faced with superior argument??

What superior argument? Don't flatter yaself.

Nahh fam. I don't indulge nonsense from random people on the internet.

Just look at your poor analogy bringing Pedro into the discussion.

You've answered the question already. Messi has no international trophy, Ronaldo has one.Now jog on and keep it moving.

randomperson:
Messi doesn't have a team trophy, at least a senior one

End of story. Shift to the left please.

randomperson:
That's a team honor not individual honor... It's the same one that all the players for Greece in 2004 have... It doesn't really prove who is a better player but actual honors like best player at a tournament... Ronaldo doesn't even have one

Where's Messi's team trophy?

randomperson:
So please tell us what is Ronaldo's highest achievement in international football?

An actual trophy.

jonsnow92:
Stop now..Which huge footballing nation??..The last time they won the copa was 1991 after 32year wait..Messi is even helping their ministry self..The way you people be little the Olympics as though its not a Trophy just so you can win the argument is somehow..Olympics is the second most recognized footballing tournament after the world Cup..So How you people just be-little it is baffling..Anyway Be like Messi

Olympics is an u-23 trophy. It is deliberately designed to exclude the best international players from competing. That's why nobody counts Olympics as an international trophy.

jstbeinhonest:
No, you were talking about crime records, Let it go sha...

Yeah let's just freeze it here.

bykebyke:
Which one be flamenco?

Ah no vex. As you dey always post Spanish headlines here, I think say you be one of those people dey dey wear uniform and carry guitar to dance to Spanish tracks.

bykebyke:
I don't know these references,which means they are irrelevant.

How you no go know Vybz Kartel or Mavado or Popcaan or Gaza Slim?

Na. only flamenco music you dey hear ni?

bykebyke:
They are tied 1-1

Messi won Gold at the Olympics.

Olympics is u-23

Nothing like tie here.

AdisaOwala:
Or better still, Ronaldo is Vybz Kartel, Messi is Gaza Slim - his external Biatch

This kolo man.

Ororo cannot be Vybz though. He is not a convict.

bykebyke:
Taken what lead biko?

In senior international trophies of course.

bykebyke:
"Shackling".. uno...LOL.


Enough is enough sef..will be debunking this Messi flopped in 2014 final myth soon.

Any attempts at spin will be fiercely resisted.

Lord Ororo must reign supreme.

bykebyke:
One may be greater than the other.

Doesn't change the fact that Ororo couldn't lead from the penalty box two seasons in a row.


Messi came back from retirement because the people of Argentina promised to commit mass suicide if he doesn't come back.


And my boy is too innocent to allow such things happen.

Nahh.

They love Tevez in the barrios of Argentina. They love Maradona. Messi's dad has to keep begging the Argentine firms to go easy on his son reminding them that he could have played for spain.

Messi came back because he knows that Ororo has taken the lead with that Euro win. Messi may refuse to retire till his 65 now just so he can try and match the big boss of Iberia. Too bad

bykebyke:
5seconds doesn't show 90minutes+an additional 30minutes akh.


You are losing the plot.

Those gifs are graphic in nature. If you dont have a strong constitution, you should look away lest you feel sick.They showed Boateng shackling your mans like Kunta Kinte and making him sing for his dinner, before deciding not to feed him anyway.

They also show why at the end of 120 minutes, we saw 1-0 to Germany on the board, with the winning goal scored by a fat invalid, while your mans was left wailing.