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if palace see this thing through, then Conte needs to call in some real life Mafia goons from Sicily to give our boys a pep talk on how important the Spuds game is.

These mafia dons will remind the likes of Morata about the importance of staying on his feet, and being clinical, and gently encourage him to avoid jeopardizing the structural integrity of kneecaps via an accidental collision with a speeding projectile, which is something that can happen when he doesn't bring his A-game to the pitch.

Thecassanova:
Palace doing the Lord's work!

I just wanted to come and post this

sad news about ray Wilkins.

I was still listening to him chat on talksport just 2 or 3 weeks ago.

I pray he pulls through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zRtrLBg3vk

Airmark

Come and hear your guy.

Your nigga Deontay dey vex on Breakfast Club

Can Anthony Joshua really be ducking Deontay? I don't believe that one bit.

there's no such person jor

elrony:
I Rarely saw Size 3 sef.. it's was mostly 4 and 5 for me..

And 4 was always more expensive compared to 5.

5 dey always quick burst

I never still got how the thing dey "less" for cement floor

me sef dey always reason am. I never understood how that thing worked

elrony:
To avoid broken toes and make the ball no quick burst.

Then avoid it laying on cement floor.. make e no "less"

depends on the size.

Na 5 ball dey get all those problems. Buy 3 or 4 and dey bam

elrony:
For our side na "Flying Carpet" "Case" and "FIFA"

I never hear FIFA before o. or Flying Carpet.

I remember that Korea Japan ball sha. one of my guys brought it to school first term after the tournament and it was promptly stolen by a senior.

We enter field one day a few weeks after , see senior men dey kick the ball. My guy just dey shout my ball, my ball. E remain small dem for nasa ball to him forehead

eph12:
health nko? Abi what's te spelling sef

health na double leather na

neezar:
Those days wey double leather balls be like hot cake mhen

e don tay since I hear those categorisation of ball mehn.

1. Felele

2. Double Leather

3. Kaka.

if you didn't have all this but you lived near an electrician, you could just wrap up a huge amount of newspaper in masking tape and keep going...

neezar:
Using cigarette rapper and bulb 2 make a trophy

You never see where them dey bully the owner of the ball ahbi

tell him again

Greatihex:
Nobody go call this one derailing now, but when it is about religion, some people will start calling it derailing.


Ehm, oga Nihilstjnr, which church you come later go on Sunday? How was the service?

I don't go to church bro

quinSonia:
tobianthony op I guess you are a fan of QPARK..that guy is hilarious


sorry for derailing back to the MMA what of Dave Batista heard he went also for MMA and that Brock lesnar guy..rhounda rousey wouldn't last long in an MMA match abi she think say na WWE...lol

omo what's happening here?

I dey reason start BJJ training for fitness.

Anybody wey dey do am for here? What can I expect as a complete noob?

chic2pimp:
I'm with you here Doc. As much as I love Iron Mike(easily one of the greatest heavyweights of all time), I'm truly struggling to name a Great Fighter He beat In that Fighter's prime. The Aura Tyson had in those early years was garnered by fighting bums. If we critically look into it, we'll see most of his wins were against your run of the mill average joes any boxer worth his salt would have beaten.

Then came the Hype and let's be honest, we all bought into it. From the Black trunks and Black boots to his shaven head. From the intimidating music to the wearing of No socks we all loved it. And we let our Love cloud our judgement. Tyson in His prime would not have beaten either Lewis or Vitali Klitschko. It's simply not happening. Any tall technically gifted fighter would have caused Tyson endless problems.

But Tyson dey beat Lennox Lewis in their sparing days na?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amclZ9nvfo0

88 Tyson was dat guy

jonsnow92:
The premise is Prime Alli vs Prime Mike.. Frazier gave all tough time when Alli was out of boxing for 3 solid years, in his 'prime' Alli had clearly lost his legs and had to reinvent his style in order to take more punishments and become more patient.

A prime Alli won't allow Tyson come close, talkies of giving him rib punishment.Alli would move 2 steps back, tip toe round the ring and dance for 10 rounds, It'll get frustrating for Tyson and Tyson showed he couldn't go the distance laye.

Liston was also an inside fighter(not as aggressive as Tyson though) but still Cassius beat him so tay baba go form shoulder injury after fight.

There was nobody that fought like Tyson before or since.

Mohammed Ali had no defence. All he had was his incredible footspeed and reflexes.

One of the things you learn as soon as you go in the ring is how to close off angles. When you control the centre of the ring, you control the fight.

Ali relied on jabbing while dancing backwards to keep his opponent at bay. 88 Tyson had both hands up in front of his face at all times, and would advance straight forward crouching. Ali's only option would be to make illegal body shots to the top of his head.

Go and watch the Frazier fights again. It had nothing to do with age, after all Ali technically won two of the 3. But when you look at the styles involved in both, you would understand exactly why Ali suffered so much in that fight.

And Tyson was a better fighter on the inside than Frazier.

I cant overemphasize this - you control the centre, you control the fight. 88 Tyson owned the centre bruv

afrodoc2:
Should tell you all you need to know about their lack of quality. He once fought 4 times in 2 months against no hoppers that D'amato had organized to beef his stats. His 14 to 15 opponents no even get wikipedia page , the guy was knocking out janitors and street vendors in those early days.

Please who is the great fighter that Tyson beat in that fighter's prime?

So we should just trust his flat track bullying of all these puff puff opponents he had? We should not count the sleep Buster Douglas gave him, or the beating from Lewis and Holyfield or the fact that against Holyfield he became a frustrated rabid dog and started biting in the boxing ring?

By the second Holyfield fight, Tyson was done. I think most people know that.

Like I've said to you, I'm not looking at Tyson over his whole career. I'm looking at him in his prime, and that was in 1988.

How many of Ali's opponents have wiki pages sef

Most champions clime on a ladder of journeymen and ring fodder to get to the top

afrodoc2:
Ribalta that was 12yrs old sparred with Ali for Thrilla in Manilla?
Good night.

My Bad.

I sha know that Ribalta Sparred with Ali. And one of the guys that Tyson beat sparred with Ali for Thrilla in Manilla

Probably Larry Holmes then

jonsnow92:
A prime Alli between 64-67 would beat anybody..Alli was untouchable,Alli ducked 21punches in 10 seconds with just head movement during that tim.. Also Sonny Liston at the time was more intimidating that Tyson, Liston was beaten like a baby by a 22yr old Alli.
All the guys that beat Tyson were significantly taller and had longer reach, add that to Alli's superior foot speed and his ring savvyness and Alli's superior psychological advantage..Alli would have gotten into Tyson's head even before the fight and when the fight starts, Alli would win.

Joe Frazier already proved that Alli was a sucker for aggresive inside fighters, and Tyson had a far better defence than Frazier did.

See this chairman talking about Head movement.

Fam you can't duck your ribs.

Tyson(and Fraizer) didnt have time to stand up and trade jabs with Ali. The man was 6'3 with arms as long as skipping rope. Tyson was 5'10. Frazier the same height.

As a boxer, when you don't have the reach advantage, you close the distance. Go and ask Ali what happened to him when Frazier was agressively closing his angles and beating him like Micheal Jackson. If Tyson had got that same opportunity, I promise you he would have broken Ali's ribs.

88 Tyson was God.

raumdeuter:
EVeryone Tyson beat will become a dud fighter because he beat them in record time.

Who were those great fighters Alli beat? Foreman, Frazier? Holmes? The same one SPinks punished. This is Spinks below

Look at the punch that almost yanked his head off here. Say person get strong chin na because he never hit better punch like Tysons

https://j.gifs.com/pQ64Am.gif

This is Spinks lying on the floor, All withing round 1. See the look on his face see his eyeballs. That guy saw his maker in those few seconds

https://j.gifs.com/Q0qoy5.gif

Can you please GIF to Jose Ribalta fight? That's another one that sparred with Ali for Thrilla in Manila

That guy chopped the most brutal Tyson Uppercut ever. The look on is face afterwards is comdey gold

afrodoc2:
How does that relate? I am saying Tyson was knocked out at 30yrs of age by a man who could not knockout Foreman and Holmes when they were above 40yrs. Tyson's chin was suspect. Every time a great puncher tested it he wobbled like Bruce Grobbelaar and he fell enough times.
Foreman came back in his mid 40s to be knocking out people in Tyson's era. That era was poor, a man in his mid 40s became heavyweight champion. That tells you what you need to know about that era.

I am yet to see the name of the great fighter that Tyson beat in that fighter's prime o.

Tyson was at his peak in 1988. By the time he fought Buster Douglas 2 years later he was already on Bipolar medication. By 91 he would be in court for rape. He wouldn't fight again till 95 and by then his personal life was more or less in chaos. His fighting style changed significantly when he came out of jail and in effect 88 Tyson and 90s Tyson are 2 completely different fighters who happen to share a name.

I don't really care who he fought post 88 or maybe even 89 when he destroyed Frank Bruno. The point is that 88 was his peak period, and that kid would have beaten any gaddem person.

raumdeuter:
Holyfield beat a 30yr old Tyson who already spent time in jail and no longer the boxer he used to be

At Tysons peak, I doubt any peak boxer can stand him, This guy was sending people out cold in 3 rounds max and the only way Holyfield and co could stop him was the cowardly tactic of holding hugging and headbutting

41% of all Mike tyson fights ended in a 1st round KO

41%

That's ridiculous.

12% of all his fights ended in a 2nd round KO

Basically the man won more than half all his fights in under 6 minutes, and that vast majority his wins came withing 3 flipping minutes ffs

Machine

afrodoc2:
Dayo, Holmes was 39yrs old them and over the hill. At that same age of 39 Tyson was being knocked out by no-name guys like Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.
You want to hear another one? A 34yr old Holyfield knocked out a 30yr old Tyson but a younger Holyfield in his prime could not knock out a 42yr old Foreman or even 43yr old Holmes.

if it's that one.

Holmes and Berbick both beat Ali

18 year old Tyson beat the living daylights out of Berbick, and repeated the trick 2 years later with Holmes

raumdeuter:
I can agree with Alli even though the fight didnt happen But Frazier Foreman will be murdered on that ring

But Tyson will destroyed Holmes was epic. This was the same Holmes people are rating as a great. The best they can do to Tyson to is to holding and hugging him. Punch for Punch Tyson destroys any of them
See the confidence and way Tyson was chasing them all over the ring and the opponent running all over like scared sissies. I hate boxers who are afraid to punch or just depend on hugging it out for the match. Thats why I am not impressed with Mayweather Hollyfield, Lewis etc

Tyson vs Holmes
https://j.gifs.com/XoAy9l.gif
https://j.gifs.com/59EBzZ.gif
https://j.gifs.com/pQ64jr.gif

The boy doing that to Larry Holmes is just 20 years old. The same age as you in SS2

IF Tyson dont kill him, It dont count!

afrodoc2:
Larry Holmes was 39yrs old and way way past his prime, Michael Spinks was a barely decent heavyweight in a poor quality era where Witherspoon, Bonecrusher Smith, Fat Trevor Berbick and co were champions.

All this one is story. Your argument is that Mike Tyson did not fight Top Class Opposition.

I don't need him to fight top class opposition to predict who he would have beat.

His Legacy is different from a theoretical matchup between two fighters.

I'm looking at the technique and his style in the late 80s and comparing it to Mohammed Ali's style and I'm confident, Ali would have been bagged up like Weed.

Tyson switched up his style in the 90s and went off the rails. Went to jail a couple of times, and struggled with mental illness.

Ring magazine will look at his entire career including these dark times where he was skipping training sessions in camp to go and party.

I'm looking at a very specific era. A very specific year.

1988 Iron Mike was GOD. That 20 year old will have killed ANYBODY. Ali especially would have been finished like Mo Salah

afrodoc2:
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
Ring magazine has Tyson at no 9, Sports illustrated does not have him in top 10, Bert Sugar has him at 14. All rank him much below Ali.

Those guys are comparing Legacies, not pitting two fighters against each other.

Obviously Ali will have the greater Legacy because of the the fighters he fought in his era, what he acheieved and his status as a cultural icon.

But if they bring Prime Ali vs Prime Tyson, nothing like rope-a-dope, or sting like a butterfly nonsense. Tyson would beat Ali back into reclaiming Cassius Clay

afrodoc2:
Who were the great fighers that Tyson met? How many of them did he beat?
I appreciate the video showing the no-name opponents. Tyson did not have Foreman's punching power and he had great defence i agree but his chin was not superb, he was doing all that showboating against non-name opponents with puff puff punches.
Foreman for sure would have rocked Tyson's world. He had more power and a stronger chin.

1988 Tyson that beat both Spinks and Larry Holmes would have killed any goddam person.

I'm telling you this as someone who has worn gloves at least once.

That Ali style of Dancing around while Jabbing from range does not work on dogged inside fighters. We saw how Frazier beat Ali almost within an inch of his life TWICE. Tyson was Frazier on steroids.

1988 Tyson's defence was so hard that you just knew that there was no way you could land a punch without chopping two body shots in quick return.

88 Tyson was GOD

afrodoc2:
Your opinion, your very very wrong and isolated opinion. You will just be a eunuch for nothing, Tyson no send you reach that level o.

There is no controvery in this, all the reknowned analysts and historians like Bert Sugar, Bill Cayton, Al Bernstein, Max Kellerman place Tyson several rungs below Ali. Only people that grew up watching Tyson or heard of him and didn't educate themselves about other eras rate Tyson higher than Ali.

When you talk of the strongest chins in history you are talking about George Chuvalo, Ali e.t.c. Nobody ever knocked down Chuvalo and nobody ever knocked out a prime Ali.

Ali never faced anybody with Tyson's ability or destructive power.

For example, I'm confident that if it was Tyson Ali tried that Rope-a-dope move with, he would have left the ring in a bodybag, because he would have several broken ribs piercing internal organs.

There has been nobody has quick and as explosive as 1988 Iron Mike in the history of heavyweight boxing. Ali lost to an inside fighter like Joe Frazier. Mike Tyson was the ultimate inside fighter. Not only could he unload those deadly hooks and uppercuts, his defence game in that era was ridiculous. You couldnt even touch the man.

Tyson would have body bagged Ali. No doubt

raumdeuter:
I think that ranking was being unfair to Tyson, Very few champs were as dominant at their peak like Iron Mike. His trade mark was ending fights n record time that should count for a lot. He was one of the fiercest hitters in the game. He was sent to jail at 25yrs his peak.

In my lifetime Tyson is my best heavyweight and most explosive boxer, I dont really care about all those Hollyfield and Lewis type boxers who will spend 80% of their fight hugging and romancing the opponent


https://www.nairaland.com/182880/greatest-boxer-all-time-tyson

Thank you.

In terms of explosive punching and technique, I have never seen a heavyweight boxer fight like Iron Mike.

I used to watch his old training videos and interviews with cus damato all the time.

Iron Mike's footwork alone was ridiculous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_kbC36JESs

A heavyweight that moved like a featherweight.

If you appreciate the technicalities of boxing, especially as a person who has ever entered a ring, you will realise how this guy's technicality was almost supernatural

afrodoc2:
Hard to say. But remember Holmes had a solid chin, had tremendous reach advantage and was a better ring general than Tyson with greater endurance.
Tyson struggled against those that could take a punch and also move him around. The Holmes jab would be working all day to keep Tyson away but who knows a Tyson hook might reset his brain, lol.

If you move Ali, Foreman, Frazier into any era they will win titles and probably dominate.

Controversial talk. Prime Tyson would have KILLED any of those 3.

20 year old Tyson would have Killed Mohammed Ali. I would bet both my testicles on it.

popizaino:
http://pollemma.com/2017/12/08/pep-im-just-baldy-tony-pulis-checkbook/

You know that's a parody site right?