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Kobojunkie:
They were considered blasphemers, and even Satanists by their own Jewish brothers. Did they resist them?

yes they did. On many occassion they went about telling the people they perform miracles through GOD power and not that of the devil. That is enough rebuke

Kobojunkie:
1. That reasoning of yours does not compute at all. That a people do not put much effort into rejecting a thing does not necessarily mean that they accept it particularly when they had been commanded by their master in this case not to lift a finger against those who would stand as their enemies. That they were called Christians by the pagans does not serve as evidence for the establishment of the religion of Christianity which is in no way connected to them, the disciples.

That the name Nigeria was supposedly coined by Lady Lugard does not mean the country itself became known as Nigeria from that very moment on.

2. Neither Peter nor John has anything to do with the religion of Christianity which is instead recorded to have been founded by those referred to as church fathers who were majorly removed from the original Jewish movement except for the many mostly spurious claims made by those men of having some distant affiliation or removed connection to the original disciples.

3. Wrong! Christianity is founded on ideas and doctrines that do not line up with any of what Jesus Christ and most all of what His followers preached. How can you say they created it when it looks nothing like what they taught?

so if they were called murderers, thieves etc, they also should keep quiet and not tell people to stop calling them that? That's what you saying?

They is a saying "f you let a lie fly long enough without rebuking it, it becomes the truth." Jesus had to rebuke alot of people and their thought processes too.


Christianity, yes through the centuries have deviated from the established planned, nevertheless it was still indirectly and directly created by Christ disciples.

They were first called Christians in Syria, they went about preaching and people kept calling them Christians. They failed to rebuke the people, instead created much more assembly of people coming together to praise, pray and give thanks and share their things together and that's how the church was born.

It is common sense. I wonder what you are arguing.

If Nigerians went up rebuking people calling us Nigerians cause lugard's wife gave us the name.. maybe we won't be known as nigerians.

"If you are called a thief everywhere and you fail to rebuke those people then you are a thief and will be known as that for life. It common sense.

"The disciples might never have had the plan to create a religion, but by their actions and inactions, a Religion was created through them and by them. It common sense.

You won't win this in court bro

Kobojunkie:
What would have been the point of rejecting the tag? Did you intend for them to fight the pagans or what?

2. You don't know me, do you? I would just simply ignore you and keep on doing my thing.

so if those pagans had called them satanism, they would've not say anything or reject it and instead say what the point of rejecting it?

Kobojunkie:
1. These accusations against Paul, Peter and John are all false.

tell me the truth, why didn't these apostles reject the tag of Christians by those pagans calling them that?

Shey if I call you a thief or a murderer, you will reject the tag and tell me to stop calling you that?.

Kobojunkie:
1. These accusations against Paul, Peter and John are all false.

tell me the truth, why didn't these apostles reject the tag of Christians by those pagans calling them that?

Shey if I call you a thief or a murderer, you will reject the tag and tell me to stop calling you that?

Kobojunkie:
1. What is instead recorded is that the followers of Jesus Christ were labeled "Christians" by a bunch of Pagans out in Antioch, Syria. They probably even meant it as a derogatory term as well. How in the world did you turn that to then mean that Christianity was founded in Antioch, Syria?

2. How can you objectively conclude that Paul did the most when the accounts contained in the book of Acts from where you draw this conclusion were supposedly written by a man whose major focus was on recording Paul and not the first 12 disciples, or the many others after that?

3. You accuse them falsely. John and Peter also knew well that Jesus Christ considered religion to be antiChrist. So, how could you conclude without evidence that they created that which was against their master?

1. Common sense should tell you if the followers of Christ was called Christians then and they didn't reject it, and the name stuck and they went about still preaching about Jesus while people of Antioch and surrounding kept calling them Christians then it means that were they became Christians first cause that's wh re they were knew as Christians first.
Weather by a bunch of pagans or not. Still that's were they were called Christians.

Nigeria was first called it name by lugard's wife and it stuck.. today we are known as Nigerians.




2. Peter speeches were recorded. John testimony in Revelation was recorded. In the book of act, many of the apostles works were recorded. So what are you saying?

3. They created it. Might not have been deliberate but they did by both their actions and inactions and by their words too since when they were constantly called Christians by the pagans, they never rebuked the pagans and say "stop calling us Christians we ain't Christians"
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Kobojunkie:
1. What is instead recorded is that the followers of Jesus Christ were labeled "Christians" by a bunch of Pagans out in Antioch, Syria. They probably even meant it as a derogatory term as well. How in the world did you turn that to then mean that Christianity was founded in Antioch, Syria?

2. How can you objectively conclude that Paul did the most when the accounts contained in the book of Acts from where you draw this conclusion were supposedly written by a man whose major focus was on recording Paul and not the first 12 disciples, or the many others after that?

3. You accuse them falsely. John and Peter also knew well that Jesus Christ considered religion to be antiChrist. So, how could you conclude without evidence that they created that which was against their master?

1. Common sense should tell you if the followers of Christ was called Christians then and they didn't reject it, and the name stuck and they went about still preaching about Jesus while people of Antioch and surrounding kept calling them Christians then it means that were they became Christians first cause that's wh re they were knew as Christians first.
Weather by a bunch of pagans or not. Still that's were they were called Christians.

Nigeria was first called it name by lugard's wife and it stuck.. today we are known as Nigerians.




2. Peter speeches were recorded. John testimony in Revelation was recorded. In the book of act, many of the apostles works were recorded. So what are you saying?

3. They created it. Might not have been deliberate but they did by both their actions and inactions and by their words too since when they were constantly called Christians by the pagans, they never rebuked the pagans and say "stop calling us Christians we ain't Christians"

Kobojunkie:
None of this is in fact true. Paul did not invent Christianity. Rather, his writings which were largely twisted by those who sought to gain from what they saw was a political movement which they later use in creating what you know as Christianity today.

Peter and John did not help build Christianity either since the contents of their letters were also twisted by those who created Christianity.

even you self dull.

Christianity started in Antioch in Syria.. Paul wasn't even converted then when Christianity was founded. The disciples when about preaching about Christ till when Paul was Converted. The only thing you can say is Paul did the most. Went the most ... But you can understand why... After years of persecuting the Christians... Remenber before his convertion it was said Paul was persecuting Christians..not Jews.. Christians so if Paul founded Christianity, then how come before his very convertion he was persecuting Christians?

Lol same Peter and John that went about preaching about Christ? His death and resurrection?

The.moment they went about preaching about Christ then truly they have added hands in growing Christianity because without Christ death and resurrection Christianity is nothing.

But since he died and the John and Peter were clearly preaching it, then truly, they did join in growing Christianity

ahmedio2017:
Ok if Jesus Christ PBUH was crucified how was it crucified?
Your Bible is full of er.rors and contra.dictions
Stop this your nonsense, Jesus Christ PBUH had nothing to do with CHRISTIANITY, it was invented by Paul 80YEARS after Jesus went to heaven... Your pasto.rs are just scamming you, they know the truth...

The simple truth is that you are a sheep and what brain does a sheep have? Nothing.
Be wise my brother make a deep and thorough research about Jesus Christ PBUH, go to Jerusalem and see how they are worshiping ALLAH your so called pasto.rs will perform ablution and perform solat in Jerusalem... They aren't telling you the truth because of their business (church) the money they are making from you guys will not let them say the truth but they know the truth most expecially those that had been to Jerusalem........

Don't be deceived ooo Jesus Christ PBUH is a pure MUSLIM ooo, just try to travel to Jerusalem and know the truth don't argue blindly..... CHRISTIANITY is the most fo..oled sect on earth.... The bible you are talking about was WRITTEN and COMPILED by PAUL 80years after Jesus Christ PBUH went to heaven.....

lol it was invented by Paul and yet Peter and John the beloved helped built the Christianity. Wow wow wow. So u telling me they will help build something that goes against Christ their master for Paul?


This stupidity again.

How is Jesus who was a Jew and practice the Jewish religion bee a Muslim?

Because he atimes how his head in prayers? They're also instances where he didn't bow but looked up to the heavens to pray. Infact teaching his disciples to pray he didn't tell them to bow their head but simply say "Our Father who art in Heaven"

ahmedio2017:
Ok if Jesus Christ PBUH was crucified how was it crucified?
Your Bible is full of er.rors and contra.dictions
Stop this your nonsense, Jesus Christ PBUH had nothing to do with CHRISTIANITY, it was invented by Paul 80YEARS after Jesus went to heaven... Your pasto.rs are just scamming you, they know the truth...

The simple truth is that you are a sheep and what brain does a sheep have? Nothing.
Be wise my brother make a deep and thorough research about Jesus Christ PBUH, go to Jerusalem and see how they are worshiping ALLAH your so called pasto.rs will perform ablution and perform solat in Jerusalem... They aren't telling you the truth because of their business (church) the money they are making from you guys will not let them say the truth but they know the truth most expecially those that had been to Jerusalem........

Don't be deceived ooo Jesus Christ PBUH is a pure MUSLIM ooo, just try to travel to Jerusalem and know the truth don't argue blindly..... CHRISTIANITY is the most fo..oled sect on earth.... The bible you are talking about was WRITTEN and COMPILED by PAUL 80years after Jesus Christ PBUH went to heaven.....

lol it was invented by Paul and yet Peter and John the beloved helped built the Christianity. Wow wow wow. So u telling me they will help build something that goes against Christ their master for Paul?


This stupidity again.

How is Jesus who was a Jew and practice the Jewish religion bee a Muslim?

Because he atimes how his head in prayers? They're also instances where he didn't bow but looked up to the heavens to pray. Infact teaching his disciples to pray he didn't tell them to bow their head but simply say "Our Father"

ahmedio2017:
Ok if Jesus Christ PBUH was crucified how was it crucified?
Your Bible is full of er.rors and contra.dictions
Stop this your nonsense, Jesus Christ PBUH had nothing to do with CHRISTIANITY, it was invented by Paul 80YEARS after Jesus went to heaven... Your pasto.rs are just scamming you, they know the truth...

The simple truth is that you are a sheep and what brain does a sheep have? Nothing.
Be wise my brother make a deep and thorough research about Jesus Christ PBUH, go to Jerusalem and see how they are worshiping ALLAH your so called pasto.rs will perform ablution and perform solat in Jerusalem... They aren't telling you the truth because of their business (church) the money they are making from you guys will not let them say the truth but they know the truth most expecially those that had been to Jerusalem........

Don't be deceived ooo Jesus Christ PBUH is a pure MUSLIM ooo, just try to travel to Jerusalem and know the truth don't argue blindly..... CHRISTIANITY is the most fo..oled sect on earth.... The bible you are talking about was WRITTEN and COMPILED by PAUL 80years after Jesus Christ PBUH went to heaven.....

lol it was invented by Paul and yet Peter and John the beloved helped built the Christianity. Wow wow wow. So u telling me they will help build something that goes against Christ their master for Paul?

ahmedio2017:
Are you ok?
That Jesus Christ PBUH is a Muslim, we have full right to talks about him than you Christians . See, may be you don't know, Jesus Christ PBUH knew nothing about Christianity talkless of your yeye belief (Trinity). My brother you have been deceived, you have been hayiu h and brainwashed.......

you have full right to talk about Isa not Jesus Christ cause they're not same person.

For the last time Jesus is different from Isa and Jesus wasn't a Muslim. If your definition of one being a Muslim is because he said his GOD is one I'll have you know in my culture or community we believe our god is one... No other god like him... So maybe we should be called Muslims na.

Fool

ahmedio2017:
Why are you forcing yourself to Jesus Christ, knew absolutely NOTHING about CHRISTIANITY stop fooling yourself.

meaning Jesus Christ knew nothing about his own beloved Disciples workings.

How can you really think this nonsense is beyond me.

Jesus Christ that saw know things before it happens or see things didn't know that his disciples worked and established Christianity? From Peter to John the beloved etc?

I swear now I know u are a bigger clown

ahmedio2017:
Why are you now believing your Nigerian pastors? I swear they are scamming you. Pray to God to bless you then travel to Jerusalem and see how people are worshiping God there, observing solat......

That's why are times it baffles me when Nigerian Christians argue blindly.
Jesus Christ PBUH said my people perish because of lack of knowledge... Try and seek knowledge oooo. CHRISTIANITY in Nigeria is a business enterprises ooooo

you have been parambulating about with this gibberish.. have been laughing at your foolishness.

Christ no die Christ no die and yet it was Christ himself that prophesied how he will die.

When they tell you to tell us how Jesus Christ survived it you tell us a story if how GOD change his face to that of Judas ( same Judas that committed suicide) and then Judas was killed in Christ place.

And fool like you believe that.

By the way about how people in Jerusalem pray.... People pray in their way of praying. They must not hit their heads oj the floor 20 to before it will be confirm they re praying.

Beside because Christ is Jew doesn't mean the Jews will be Christians.

We all know how Christianity came about. How the Jews oppose christianity but still it prevailed.


You also said we know nothing about Christianity... Please can you tell me about Christianity?

Thirdly, let engage in a debate WhatsApp debate.. not much of a nairaland person. Let me educate you.


And lastly, your Isa is not my Jesus Christ. They're extremely different people both in actions and words.



You want to tell me Jesus himself that always spoke about his own death all of a sudden survive it....meaning Jesus lied to his disciples he will die when he knew GOD will save him from death.

Same Jesus that rebuked Peter from telling him he will not die..


I swear you be clown.

ahmedio2017:
Why are you now believing your Nigerian pastors? I swear they are scamming you. Pray to God to bless you then travel to Jerusalem and see how people are worshiping God there, observing solat......

That's why are times it baffles me when Nigerian Christians argue blindly.
Jesus Christ PBUH said my people perish because of lack of knowledge... Try and seek knowledge oooo. CHRISTIANITY in Nigeria is a business enterprises ooooo

you have been parambulating about with this gibberish.. have been laughing at your foolishness.

Christ no die Christ no die and yet it was Christ himself that prophesied how he will die.

When they tell you to tell us how Jesus Christ survived it you tell us a story if how GOD change his face to that of Judas ( same Judas that committed suicide) and then Judas was killed in Christ place.

And fool like you believe that.

By the way about how people in Jerusalem pray.... People pray in their way of praying. They must not hit their heads oj the floor 20 to before it will be confirm they re praying.

Beside because Christ is Jew doesn't mean the Jews will be Christians.

We all know how Christianity came about. How the Jews oppose christianity but still it prevailed.


You also said we know nothing about Christianity... Please can you tell me about Christianity?

Thirdly, let engage in a debate WhatsApp debate.. not much of a nairaland person. Let me educate you.


And lastly, your Isa is not my Jesus Christ. They're extremely different people both in actions and words.



You want to tell me Jesus himself that always spoke about his own death all of a sudden survive it....meaning Jesus lied to his disciples he will die when he knew GOD will save him from death.

Same Jesus that rebuked Peter from telling him he will not die..


I swear you be clown

ahmedio2017:
Why are you now believing your Nigerian pastors? I swear they are scamming you. Pray to God to bless you then travel to Jerusalem and see how people are worshiping God there, observing solat......

That's why are times it baffles me when Nigerian Christians argue blindly.
Jesus Christ PBUH said my people perish because of lack of knowledge... Try and seek knowledge oooo. CHRISTIANITY in Nigeria is a business enterprises ooooo

you have been parambulating about with this gibberish.. have been laughing at your foolishness.

Christ no die Christ no die and yet it was Christ himself that prophesied how he will die.

When they tell you to tell us how Jesus Christ survived it you tell us a story if how GOD change his face to that of Judas ( same Judas that committed suicide) and then Judas was killed in Christ place.

And fool like you believe that.

By the way about how people in Jerusalem pray.... People pray in their way of praying. They must not hit their heads oj the floor 20 to before it will be confirm they re praying.

Beside because Christ is Jew doesn't mean the Jews will be Christians.

We all know how Christianity came about. How the Jews oppose christianity but still it prevailed.


You also said we know nothing about Christianity... Please can you tell me about Christianity?

Thirdly, let engage in a debate WhatsApp debate.. not much of a nairaland person. Let me educate you.


And lastly, your Isa is not my Jesus Christ. They're extremely different people both in actions and words.

adekolaelect:
Village guy . Keep quiet on what you don't know. Police can not intervene in Army operation . They declared war with Nigeria Army by killing their men and police can not fight for Army . We have gallant soldiers that will fight their battle to the end.

gallant soldiers who bOko Haram dey use play pinpoint


Weaklings that only have syrenght for unarmee civilians

Forex trading and also improving my Relationship with GOD

Forex trading

I'm sorry I don't know how to divide and answer questions like you do like this but I hope u can understand what I will write cause I'll be spacing them.

AntiChristian:
See falsehood!

Was Jesus mentioned anywhere in the old testament? God no dey make mistake. He no be author of confusion! Light plenty wey no be Jesus!



Well thankfully that light was Jesus because he was giving birth to in that region.. no other prophet.. not one came out from that region after that statement was made in the Bible. If maybe one came out. We for talk say okay maybe that ain't Jesus for real but Jesus is the only one in the Bible post David period when that statement was made that came out of that region, that city, that village

If we go to Isaiah 9:6 we also see it there when it says.. "Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and the Government shall be upon his shoulders and he shall be called Mighty wonderful, counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace".. then I ask how can a child be called all that? Just a child if that child isn't divine?
Imagine calling him also everlasting Father.. if not Christ Jesus who then?... See they even called Christ Mighty God.


All these are big lies! Jesus said clearly he's not God and that God is his God. He said he was going to his father and to his God!

Yes yes Jesus isn't God almighty, I never said he was. But he is God but not God almighty same way a Son of a King is a King but he is not his Father who is "The KING"
for eg, you have watched MERLIN ba? Technically Prince Author is a King cause he is the Son of a King you wouldn't be wrong to call him that.
After all it was God himself who was quoted saying and to the Son he said "THY THRONE O GOD IS SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.." clearly referring to Jesus cause no one not even one is Righteous or was righteous on Earth.







God dey get God! Lol!
In addition, God is omniscient, Jesus was not! He didn't know the hour when asked. He didn't know the fig tree had no fruit,....


Yes Yes Jesus didn't know the hour, neither the day but he knew it would happen. That is only reserved for God cause it is God that will give Christ the Command. ...
By the way, we can't tell if Christ knew or not that they wasn't fruit in the fig tree and I can even say he knew.
Afterall I remember he could even read the thoughts of people. He read the thoughts of the Pharisees consistently.. luke 5:22. no other prophet not one could perceive people thoughts not even the one blessed with so much wisdom, Solomon.
I also remember when he was calling his disciples, he boldly told one he saw him when he was under a tree, told him about himself.





John 1:1 didn't mention Jesus. And looking at the Greek translation it isn't applicable to Jesus at all!..


How can you say John1:1 didn't mentioned Jesus when we all know John 1:1 was written for him... It openly told you that Jesus is the light and John was sent to bear withness to that light Jesus. Come on bro, no dey lie na. I'm not a child abeg. Who be the person where give people power to become children of God?
Even top Muslims wouldn't lie like this.. they will instead find another excuse by saying how do we know it is John that wrote it. Lol



This is translation error! It is "I am he"!
And even if you make it I am, every human is predestined to exist from a point in time they didn't exist! But the translation is just to make Jesus seem like God.


"every Human is Predestined to exist from a point in time they didn't exist".. lol well I know I didn't exist before but let assuming you are right, how come we never remember our past but this Jesus remenbered everything. Elijah that was a man hot for God didn't remenber he existed before Abraham and was present then but Jesus did?... Common bro you can really believe that na. Even a baby won say like that.

See if you like call m "I Am He" etc still the point is that he was saying he was Present and he even made it more open when he said Abraham saw his day and was glad.
Ask yourself how could Abraham that had died over 2k years before Christ saw Christ day and was glad? Well that's a question for Heaven cause I know you can't answer that. It beyond any Muslim answer.



There are many other similar translation of the same word....make I bring am up? Pray tell do bring them up. I'm eager.



Jesus saw Satan fall like lightning and where exactly did that refer to when Satan was sent away from heaven with Adam?
Weather it was when Satan was sent from heaven or before or after, it still prove my point.. his pre-existence. Because if you said it was after his fall, still his fall happen thousand and thousand of years before.




Didn't Satan go to heaven to whine God as regards Job?... Satan can go to Heaven but can't stay in heaven.





False theory. I am he!

He had no military to fight for him.
When he comes back he will fight and destroy!

Yes he had no military to fight for him nevertheless he himself said he can call upon thousands of his angels and they will come to fight for him but how will.the will of God be done that way?
So you see it further prove my point that his kingdom his Heaven.
We can see this when he himself talked about sitting upon a Throne judging the 12 tribes of Israel.
Kindly name me at least just 1 Prophet from the ones of old who can boldly claim to sit upon a Throne in heaven and make judgement?

Read bro, we read in the Bible and even your Quran said that at the last day God will judge the world but we can see Jesus claiming that He will judge the world. A thing reserved for God. That means he is the God that will judge the world. His Father's Son. Emphasizing what I told you about Merlin since Prince Arthur judge people Consistently..






False statement and mistranslations! Jesus was a human that his parents pick race with him when the king wanted to kill him!
Lol Jesus was a baby yes.. but Jesus had always pre-existed with God but when he was sent to God he had to came into the earth in form of a human child. And he was given to a family Mary and Joseph to care for him and their duty was to protect him but when he began growing up he knew who he was... DIVINE!



Micah as well as other old testament didn't mention Jesus! The Jews didn't read about Jesus therein!.... It mustn't mention Jesus by name but it gave you a clue of what it is talking about by making you the city, village etc where the light will come from and we know Jesus is the only one that came from there. It also said that light (Jesus coming is from eternal)
Micah 5:2 "But thou Bethlehem Ephratsh, though thou be little among the thosands of Judah , yet out of thee shall be come forth unto me that is to be Ruler over Israel; whose going forth have been from of old, from everlasting".

From the above we can see clearly Jesus is the only one that came from Bethlehem I mean God own that came from Bethlehem and from this words we can see it is actually God talking.. just look at the way God described the person that will come forth out of Bethlehem.. "who's going for is from old, from everlasting".

This emphasizes more on what I'm telling you. Jesus is from old from eternity. I'm sure if we were old from old or eternity like Christ, Christ would ve talk to us like this or to any Prophet but not one of them, not David, not Solomon or Elijah did God talk to like this.. then ask yourself Genuinely with out biase, "who is this person who God is speaking about like this?" That's your assignment and my question for you.
Atleast if you can tell me it not Jesus you have to prove it and tell me who it is.

Which glory did he share with God? The glory of crucifixion or what? The glory of Creation.
That's why He said "Before the Foundation of the World".


Even if they made those claims in the past the church fathers that wants to make Jesus your only God won't include it in the collection of books called Bible!... Well if the church fathers wouldn't allow it, the Quran that mentioned Muhammed and others prophets should have na. Abi does the church fathers control the Quran too?
If they made those statements I'm sure your Quran would've taken it up.
If they made those statements atleast it would've been in one of the supposed rejected books of the Bible which the church fathers can't stop anyone from accessiing



Muhammad is not our God but a messenger of Allah just like Jesus! All those claims you made are unfounded! Yes you are right, Jesus is a servant of God, a messenger of God because his God which is his Father sent him nevertheless Jesus is the Prince of God. So my bro he is unlike your normal Messengers of angels or prophets. None could hold a candle to him.
Jesus himself said John was the Greatest ever prophet... But yet we know John performed no miracles or anything so why then did Jesus call him the Greatest prophet ever?

That's an assignment for you...I hope you can come tell me why Jesus called John the Greatest prophet ever..



Where's the consistency? Why didn't Jesus write down anything himself? Even his disciples didn't write much!
He had disciples, why bother with writing down when he has disciples that would do all that?



The bulk of the new testament was written by Paul, Mark and Luke. People Jesus never knew!
Really? Nevertheless it is those same people's words that Jesus never knew you trying to use to force your Mohammed into the Bible by saying Jesus spoke of him? Isn't that hypocrisy.

Because if truly those people were fake it means you have been trying to force your Muhammad into the fake people book


Nobody can rebuke the devil?
We are rebuking the devil here. Is that a big deal?

... Lol, ask Angel Micheal if that's a big deal or not?

By the way how are you rebuking the devil? Lol you have never faced the devil and you say you are rebuking him.. that's laughable. Call on me when you have faced him and actually rebuked him like Jesus did. Lol

AntiChristian:
Actually, the script of the Bible is an expose of a biography of Jesus that appeals to people to make him God or super human!

Many people complained about Tinubu's childhood being unknown! But Jesus is worse! About 30 years out of 33 years!

the Bible has spoken about Jesus before he was even born and ascribed that God status to him.
Infact even Jesus and God almighty ascribed the God status to Jesus.

For instance in the book of Micah when God was talking, he said that region will see a light who going out as been from everlasting. - That's Jesus.
Except you can name me any prophet like you proudly call Jesus that has ever claimed to have pre existed and have always been.

We see Jesus own say about that when he was speaking to his disciples... He proudly called on God to give him the Glory he shared with God before the world began. Me before everything was created before the foundation was laid Jesus was.
That's the more reason he said, "As long as the Father was still working he will still be working and that the Father will teach him much more great stuff than healing the sick or raising the dead." He was simply stating he has always been in existence with the Father.

No wonder when 1John 1 described Jesus it said "Christ was in the world but the world recognized him not even though Christ Created the world".
We see Jesus dwell on his pre existence again when he told the Pharisees "Before Abraham I am". This I am was the name of God God used to described himself to Moses but let assuming there was a mistake in the translation to English n it meant "I was".... It simply then means Christ still emphasizing on pre existing because we all know Christ was not even born in the world doing Abraham period so how can he not just said he was in Abraham period but also claim before that very same Abraham He Christ Jesus was Presence in the world? Can you please answer that?


Now let's go to another portion of the Bible, indeed Jesus claimed to have seen Satan fall like Lightening, and we all know the fight that took place where Satan was thrown out happen thousand years before Jesus was born upon the earth.. so how can someone who according to you that was born like any of us could've claimed to have seen that episode?

Isaiah didn't see it . Elijah didn't see it and he was older than Jesus earthly age wise.. David didn't, etc didn't see it but Jesus did!!!. Reason m bro.

Forget any misgivings you have about the Bible. Open your eyes and read it deeply from Jesus point of view. Call on the Holy Spirit to help you.
Then when you do, ask yourself this questions.

1. Can an ordinary prophet like that have claimed to have pre existed before Abraham?
2. Can an ordinary prophet claim that His kingdom is not of this world that of it was his servants would've fought for him not to have been taken... Remember if Jesus was but am ordinary servants then he simply wouldn't be calling the angels his servants would be?? Meaning he is a sort of king or prince elsewhere
3. Ask yourself this question can an ordinary servants make a claim that he was present before the foundation of the world was laid?
4. Can an ordinary servant be spoken about the way God spoke about Christ coming in the book of Micah saying that region that was in darkness will see a light whose coming forth is from eternal?.
5... Have any prophet ever claimed to have shared Glory with God before the foundation of the world? Something that should've been unheard off but Jesus spoke it out and thunder didn't strike him.

Then after asking yourself all this questions and more... Then ask yourself, which any prophets ... Call any of them including your Muhammad have ever laid claim to the type of thing Jesus has constantly done.


But I know when you done, you will come and tell me that how did I know it was Jesus that spoke that and not the writers of the Bible ascribing that to him. Then I'll tell you if that were to be so then they will be inconsistencies in the report of what Jesus spoke about himself since the Bible was written by 100 of writers in a period of a thousand years and since atleast all of them where consistent with their wording of how Jesus described him self, how the disciples described him. Then i can gladly say, Just like The Son of a King is a King so is the Son of God a God.

Remember no ordinary prophet not even the angel Micheal could rebuke the devil but Christ himself rebuked the devil.

AntiChristian:
I never said Qur'an was a story book of Jesus before!
We are asking the Bible that recorded the story of Joseph from infant to adulthood and prophethood!

Why was Jesus's not recorded?

you implied that bro.

The Bible itself even wrote that they're are many things Jesus did and said that weren't recorded but atlas, you found a way to bring Quran into it

lawani:
There is no little city in India paying salaries to five million people because it will mean at least fifty million people are working in the city because non government workers will be there too and they will be ninety percent. If fifty million people are workers then at least 150 million people are residents. Which Indian city has 150 million residents?. The largest city in Earth is Tokyo at 20 million people

india is 1.2 billion people and you believe a City there doesn't have more than 5 million people working for the govt?.

Their Govt Rail station employ more than a 3 million people

AntiChristian:
Qur'an is not the book of Jesus stories!

It's the new testament that focuses on Jesus's life but didn't tell us much about those years!

Qur'an is just about morals, lessons, etc.

but what then we're you saying?. Then stop talking gibberish if you Quran can't tell us what Jesus did or not do

AntiChristian:
See the crowd he dey preach to!

Do you know the Bible didn't record almost anything about Jesus from just after birth till he reached 30 years?

Do you know Jesus preached while he was a few days old in the Qur'an and not the Bible?

really? Okay name me atleast 10preaching of Jesus in the Quran from age 0-29 years..
Don't tell me he spoke in the cradle that is old stuff we have heard from you Muslims and it just once..
Tell us other stuffs abeg

As people leave Christianity (as Muslims often say) I see they're more more people God is raising up to fill their space.
People really that burn for Christ.

I'm so Proud to be part of them that still burn for Christ

lawani:
So to have 500,000 people collecting salaries is nothing? Even if that is the only thing?

In India they pay more and you don't see them shouting do you? Yet there are still doing much more.
There is a little indian city that pays more than 5 million people salaries and yet still doing their duties and the city is actually better than Lagos.
Rwanda is everything Lagos will Dream of being... Forget money.

You pay more people but you forgot you get tax from that more people meaning much money. Kigali doesn't have that

lawani:
In Africa, very few governments are as powerful as the Lagos government. If you are Lagos governor you are at par with the Nigerian President going by the number of workers you lead. Lagos has 500,000 people on the payroll and increasing while Abuja has around 720,000. Lagos salary is more or less the highest in the country and at least at par with the richest oil states if not higher than some So Lagos is doing something if only workers' salary but they also have huge projects. No state has the equivalent of LAGBUS or LASTMA. If you are the head of any of them, it is the position of a big CEO. LAGBUS is probably the mist viable transport company in Nigeria. Don't doubt that there is a benefit in organizing your state via taxation. It has huge benefits

all you keep emphasizing on is money. Lagos has nothing than that to show for all the billions. Rwanda doesn't even have a fraction of that money yet Kigali is everything Lagos will Dream of being

lawani:
You do not understand. If all state governments were like Lagos state government then Nigeria would at least be as good as South Africa. Do you now understand why Lagos should be removed?.

and yet Lagos ain't even half as good as south Africa. The only thing they. Boast of is IGR bit it is still a dirty pigsty
Even Abuja though doesn't have the IGR of Lagos is still cleaner and look like a proper city.
Lagos is a pig sty.
See I'm from Akwa ibom state and everyday I'll pray my state should never be like Lagos. If my state ever be like Lagos then the govt of my state has failed.

Let my state be like Rwanda, boswana etc.

No state should pray to be like Lagos. A dirty pigsty

lawani:
You don't seem to understand. I am not talking about gross population or gross revenue but when you share the revenue collected by government to each person or citizen how much is it? That is the question and Nigeria if you remove Lagos from it will be the least on Earth. So if your revenue per head is the least on Earth, how can you compare yourself with a nation that have the revenue to solve problems?

Nigeria has invested in Lagos so u can't remove Lagos from it. If Nigeria was wiser in their early days should've spread development just like the SA people did.
In South Africa, govt branches and investments wasn't stationed in one city. But spread.. some govt branch like the judicary capital is in another city. The legislature is in another... That's how to spread development.
But nigeria instead of doing that, in those early days put everything in Lagos till it finally moved some of them to Abuja but the mistake had already been done. The other cities still remain underdeveloped.

Go to the east, try look for any fg Presence u will see none. Go to the west and north and see them plenty yet u guys blame the east?