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prinzfavian:
Hmmm, of course it is relevant...
Don't you think that one of the main factor of being clueless about God is the false, wrong, absurd and shameless way most religions of this world has portrayed him?
One is saying he is omnipotent.... How? He can't do all things, He can't lie neither can he make a mistake... So how then is he omnipotent?
They paint him as cruel by saying he will burn people in fire and yet he was greatly displeased with kings in the past that did the same thing by making their sons and daughters pass through fire, isn't that hypocritical?

They say he has predestined everything that happens in everyone's life.... And then we have, the rich, powerful, poor, sick, severely wretched people, mad men and women roaming the market places... And still the Bible say such a God isn't partial... How? In fact, it goes ahead to call him 'Love'... Really?

They say he is of 3 distinct personalities yet just 1 person.... Haa!, how can a father be his own son and also his own holy spirit?

So if you're clueless about such a God, I definitely understand.... And dismissing that such God exist is surely a more reasonable stand than trying to comprehend all those errors.

But really, God does exist and he is doing and will do everything he wills, to clear his name of all the misrepresentations by the religions of this world which isn't making innocent people grasp the true nature of him.

Thanks.

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thoth:
This shows that you don't understand the concept of freewill itself. Freewill can not exist in relation to a vacuum, Since Freewill is simple the assertion that human have a choice in their course of Actions. You will really need to comprehend this concept since that might be the reason you choose your stance.

Please read the analogy again, you are missing the point there, I am not one of the determinants in that scenario, Her experience(military training) is , it simply means i am not a factor to the outcome, her past experiences is.

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This article doesn't in any way disprove Freewill, it only states that certain groups among the scientific community are skeptical of it, while majority of the science community upholds it.
Those that are skeptical has been classified over and over by different groups as lacking understanding of the concept itself.

Research in Quantum physics has revealed that the human mind affects the outcome of our realities, the choices we make we realize according to the strength of our will.

I think you should really try to understand what freewill is all about.

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prinzfavian:
Smiles, I wasn't being sarcastic..
I was sincerely apologizing, I didn't know your stance about God before chipping that in... So I was apologizing for being presumptious...
I do believe there is no such thing as destiny...
Everything that happens to us is as a result of our actions, which describes Freewill... But you claimed is an illusion, so I was just trying tell you its not... But if I may ask, what's your opinion about God?

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thoth:
Saying that human CHOICES are based on wants and fears really contradicts the notion of Predestination(the right term in this context)
For you to understand the absurdity of your claim I'll like you to answer this simple but illuminating question.

All Human CHOICES are based on wants and fear as opposed to what ?

I would like to explain that question further, if the plausibility of Predestination relies on "Wants and Fears" What would Free will rely on ?
The question aside, If the effect of our Wants and Fears results in a situation where we make choices, doesn't that still prove that the final outcome is not autonomous ? that such outcomes are a result of rational thoughts aimed at achieving a particularly desired objective. Mind you that individual objectives are not static hence Robert likes Goat meat while Patrick is a vegetarian. so facing the same situation Robert and Patrick will make totally different choices based on the aforementioned determinants(vegetarian versus Meat loving).
A reduction of your statement yields further to its self contradiction when we try to analyze the concept of Want, knowing fully well that OUR WANTS simply arises from our individual quirks and desires and by its nature not static. Being a war veteran i am not really afraid of gunshots, but my wife might faint at the sound of one, if i put her through basic military training those fears will subside to a manageable level. would you describe this conscious action of mine(putting her through military training) an example of Predestination or I influencing her and changing her Fears ?

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Science has contributed to the free will problem in at least three ways. First, physics has addressed the question whether nature is deterministic, which is viewed as crucial by incompatibilists (compatibilists, however, view it as irrelevant). Second, although free will can be defined in various ways, all of them involve aspects of the way people make decisions and initiate actions, which have been studied extensively by neuroscientists. Some of the experimental observations are widely viewed as implying that free will does not exist or is an illusion (but many philosophers see this as a misunderstanding). Third, psychologists have studied the beliefs that the majority of ordinary people hold about free will and its role in assigning moral responsibility.

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StaffofOrayan:
I doubt the OP's idea of destiny is control or lack of control of the universe or all eventualities, the question is do you have a conscious hand in the going on of your life, ie are you just a spectator in the game that is YOUR life, has everything been pre-written/pre-destined or can you take the bull by the horn and change the course of your life - that is the argument,
The part highlighted, is just an appeal to circumstances, people move, get more strength, explore new opportunities, become more motivated, finally understand why they have been failing and learn from their failures, etc, people have arisen from far worse, its very easy to accept mediocrity especially when everywhere you turn and people around you are mediocre at best. Hence a man living in a face me i face you house for 10 years would likely remain there until he grows extremely tired of that 'destiny'. As the saying goes 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results'.
If you roll a dice a million times you won't get the same results, that is almost impossible, BUT you can anticipate the maximum combinations possible from rolling two dice which is 36 and every number in between.
That's why in an impartial court of law, your circumstances might appeal to the judge/jury's sympathies but it won't exonerate you because you always had FREE WILL, except of course you are totally bonkers, and lawyers and psychiatrists can prove your madness after which it's straight to the mad house.

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[color=#5a2500]I understa[/color][color=#5b2400]nd your mess[/color][color=#5c2300]age that nobo[/color][color=#5d2200]dy should se[/color][color=#5e2100]ttle for les[/color][color=#5f2000]s. But it doe[/color][color=#601f00]sn't matter[/color]. [color=#611e00]People who w[/color][color=#621d00]ill settle f[/color][color=#631c00]or less will[/color] [color=#641b00]and people w[/color][color=#651a00]ho won't won[/color][color=#661900]'t.

You may[/color] [color=#671800]argue that y[/color][color=#681700]ou are not a[/color] [color=#691600]dice or a ro[/color][color=#6a1500]bot for that[/color] [color=#6b1400]matter. But[/color] [color=#6c1300]all those co[/color][color=#6d1200]mplex decisi[/color][color=#6e1100]ons you make[/color] [color=#6f1000]are basicall[/color][color=#700f00]y chemical re[/color][color=#710e00]actions in y[/color][color=#720d00]our brain. W[/color][color=#730c00]e are chemica[/color][color=#740b00]lly advanced[/color] [color=#750a00]robot. Want[/color] [color=#760900]and fears is[/color] [color=#770800]our zeros a[/color][color=#780700]nd ones. All[/color] [color=#790600]our choices[/color] [color=#7a0500]are based on[/color] [color=#7b0400]wants and fe[/color][color=#7c0300]ars.

Nobody[/color] [color=#7d0200]chooses what[/color] [color=#7e0100]they want o[/color][color=undefined]r fear.[/color]

thoth:
Description of concepts such as Freewill does not lend itself to "black box" phenomenon whereby certain determinants just emerges from a theoretical black box(greater cause,God,Deity etc) rather its best understood if the world we live in is viewed as a finite machine, whereby the action of others influences the choice/cause of actions of succeeding actors.
So why do some people have stronger will than others one may still ask, the same reason why some people are taller due to genes, fair skinned, blue eyed, or violent due to environmental influences. I may assume you a civilized person and in my dealings with you , you might choose to be honest, if along the line that i decided to cheat or renegade on my agreements with you then your level of exposure,education and influence will determine whether you will choose to sue me to court or shoot me with a gun. These determinants are factors which shape the perception of our will, whether its strong in this scenario or weaker in relation to mine. I should also stress that such perception are wholly event based in the sense that your will might be stronger than mine this event but may prove far weaker in another scenario.
Such phenomena is a good example of Dynamic Systems and you can gain further understanding if you study Chaos theory to a light extent.

The problem with discussions such as this is that these concepts has been highly Theologized and Dogmatized by religious institutions which operate solely on "Faith Based Mechanisms" where potent inquiries are shunned and classified as heresy, thus analyzing Freewill from a religious viewpoint might seem awkward in the absence of any form of "Higher Cause"(God,Deity etc) to the uninformed.

Take a few minutes of your time and read about Game theory, its meaning and applications. i find it easier to comprehend and will answer most questions you have on the concept of Will and Supremacy of Will.

[color=#443b00]A greater[/color] [color=#453a00]cause does[/color] [color=#463900]not neces[/color][color=#473800]sarily mea[/color][color=#483700]n a God or[/color] [color=#493600]Diety. I[/color] [color=#4a3500]personally[/color] [color=#4b3400]do not bel[/color][color=#4c3300]ieve in th[/color][color=#4d3200]at (though[/color] [color=#4e3100]I am open[/color] [color=#4f3000]to the po[/color][color=#502f00]ssibility)[/color].
[color=#512e00]A greate[/color][color=#522d00]r cause cou[/color][color=#532c00]ld be the[/color] [color=#542b00]society, t[/color][color=#552a00]he governm[/color][color=#562900]ent, the l[/color][color=#572800]aws of phy[/color][color=#582700]sics anyth[/color][color=#592600]ing we can[/color][color=#5a2500]'t control[/color] [color=#5b2400]as an indi[/color][color=#5c2300]vidual.

G[/color][color=#5d2200]ame and Ch[/color][color=#5e2100]aos theory[/color] [color=#5f2000]are both[/color] [color=#601f00]in support[/color] [color=#611e00]my opinion[/color] [color=#621d00]in the is[/color][color=#631c00]sue

Game[/color] [color=#641b00]Theory say[/color][color=#651a00]s the outc[/color][color=#661900]ome of a p[/color][color=#671800]articipant[/color] [color=#681700]depends o[/color][color=#691600]n the actio[/color][color=#6a1500]n of other[/color] [color=#6b1400]participa[/color][color=#6c1300]nts.

Chao[/color][color=#6d1200]s Theory s[/color][color=#6e1100]ays a slig[/color][color=#6f1000]htly small[/color] [color=#700f00]change in[/color] [color=#710e00]the condit[/color][color=#720d00]ion can gi[/color][color=#730c00]ve rise to[/color] [color=#740b00]strikingl[/color][color=#750a00]y great co[/color][color=#760900]nsequence[/color].


[color=#770800]It appe[/color][color=#780700]ars we are[/color] [color=#790600]on the sam[/color][color=#7a0500]e side her[/color][color=#7b0400]e.

Everyt[/color][color=#7c0300]hing you s[/color][color=#7d0200]ay seem to[/color] [color=#7e0100]prove my[/color] [color=undefined]point.[/color]

StaffofOrayan:
My reference to Nigerian politics/elected politician is an example of the concept, You are right about not being in control because you cannot control all eventualities that is a very obvious deduction, The theory of cause and effect is that the first is SOMEWHAT responsible for the second, and the second is PARTLY dependent on the first. It doesn't mean you control the universe, Destiny is a superstition just like the idea of Bad Luck, another emotional rational, example, the farmer whose farm is flooded on the day of harvest is not 'unlucky' that is just vain pride, the rain did not fall because of him, neither does the universe revolve around him. Hence his inability to anticipate nature (NOT NATURE ITSELF) is the causative factor of his ruined produce - which is an effect, The idea is not to control the effect but anticipate and perfect the cause
Personally I believe in Murphy's law "things will go wrong in any given situation, if you give them a chance," or widely used one, "whatever can go wrong, will go wrong."

PS: if my initial response was brash, my bad.

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You[/color] [color=#047b00]have agre[/color][color=#057a00]ed that y[/color][color=#067900]ou are no[/color][color=#077800]t in cont[/color][color=#087700]rol becau[/color][color=#097600]se you ca[/color][color=#0a7500]nnot contr[/color][color=#0b7400]ol all ev[/color][color=#0c7300]entualiti[/color][color=#0d7200]es.

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Free[/color] [color=#7c0300]Will is l[/color][color=#7d0200]iterally[/color] [color=#7e0100]not free[/color] [color=undefined]will.[/color]

thoth:
Wrong, Our Freewill precedes our actions, hence you have in the same theater of war parties trying to achieve opposing aims which is to totally annihilate each other. They all might want to succeed but may not have the will to dog it out.
in the same length two broke men might come to different outcomes when one might decide to rob a bank and the other to go into farming. the Bank robber's outcome is determined by the strength of the will of the security guards to protect their lot, he might emerge a wealthy man if his will dominates theirs or might lose his life as well. the Agric guy might make a living from his venture or killed by a Bank Robber on his way to withdraw money to buy farming tools.

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[color=#493600]Tha[/color][color=#4a3500]t is m[/color][color=#4b3400]y poi[/color][color=#4c3300]nt.
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prinzfavian:
Oh! I'm sorry if I sounded somehow.
I do understand, thanks.

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prinzfavian:
lol, are you for real?
Free will is an illusion, really? I choose to eat cos I'm hungry, hence I have no control over that.... What about when I fast, am i not hungry? .... Why could I've had control over my hunger?.. .. Oh, it's been destined that I was gonna fast... Right? Tar!

I'm commenting on Nairaland cos am bored... Really? No where else to go... Facebook, Twitter, insta.... and the likes... What about if I don't have any megabytes to browse on my phone... But I'm bored... I guess I just have to steal to get mb... Since it's been destined that I must come on Nairaland when I'm bored. Haba, think now...

So God that predestines stuffs, also destined atheist not to believe that he exist... Wawu, for real? For what purpose would he have done that? Think dear.... Even the likes of Evans and boko haram is God's doing... Is just a script he has written long ago that is playing out right? Abegi...

He has given us the gift of freewill... And what we have today individually is as a result of our actions... There is no such thing has destiny, we ain't robots... Even animals aren't controlled by destiny, not to talk of humans...

When we tend to overcome this notion of destiny, then we are a step closer to knowing the truth about life.

[color=#463900]You[/color] [color=#473800]are as[/color][color=#483700]suming[/color] [color=#493600]things[/color]. [color=#4a3500]First[/color][color=#4b3400], I am[/color] [color=#4c3300]not a b[/color][color=#4d3200]elieve[/color][color=#4e3100]r of "G[/color][color=#4f3000]od". I[/color] [color=#502f00]have n[/color][color=#512e00]ot ment[/color][color=#522d00]ioned D[/color][color=#532c00]estiny[/color] [color=#542b00]or God[/color] [color=#552a00]anywhe[/color][color=#562900]re. I[/color] [color=#572800]don't k[/color][color=#582700]now whe[/color][color=#592600]re you[/color] [color=#5a2500]are ge[/color][color=#5b2400]tting t[/color][color=#5c2300]hat fr[/color][color=#5d2200]om.

T[/color][color=#5e2100]his is[/color] [color=#5f2000]not a[/color] [color=#601f00]religio[/color][color=#611e00]us war[/color].

[color=#621d00]My l[/color][color=#631c00]ogic is[/color] [color=#641b00]simple[/color].

[color=#661900]Your ac[/color][color=#671800]tions a[/color][color=#681700]re sha[/color][color=#691600]ped by[/color] [color=#6a1500]your wa[/color][color=#6b1400]nts an[/color][color=#6c1300]d fears[/color][color=#6d1200].[/color]
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[color=#780700]Do you[/color] [color=#790600]underst[/color][color=#7a0500]and th[/color][color=#7b0400]at or y[/color][color=#7c0300]ou want[/color] [color=#7d0200]me to[/color] [color=#7e0100]elabor[/color][color=undefined]ate?[/color]

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teesmarth:
Nice one.

I must disagree not to agree!

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GeneralOjukwu:
Don't borrow money with the expectation of being repaid.

If i can't "dash" you, i won't borrow you. I learnt the hard way.

I know someone who would borrow despite being well-paid, and when he gets paid his salary, still refuse to pay his army of creditors

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prinzfavian:
First let's consider the meaning of destiny:

1. That to which any person or thing is destined; a predetermined state; a condition foreordained by the Divine or by human will; fate; lot; doom.

2. The fixed order of things; invincible necessity; fate; an irresistible power or agency conceived of as determining the future, whether in general or of an individual.

From the above definitions, destiny is said to be fixed..perfectly mapped out from the very beginning of such person's life.... Then, whatever happens to that person must be according to his or her already written script...

Now here are some few questions if destiny were to be true....

Why do we look left and right when crossing the road or run out of the road if we saw an oncoming vehicle trying to hit us... If our time to die has been predestined why take any precaution to save oneself, if it's not your time to die then you won't, you don't need to do anything, remember your whole life and action has been mapped out which means you're not in control of your life.

Also, if there was anything like destiny, means whatever is happening now is what has been mapped out or planned from the onset.... It's been destined that you'll open this thread on Sunday, and I'll be commenting right now as I am on this thread... The list goes on,..... The concept of destiny opposes the concept of free will...
Everyone is wherever they are today because of the decisions they made and actions they took moments before now not according to some perfectly planned out script... That's what I call freewill not destiny...
Thanks.

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OrdercityWeb:
Interesting i must say.
I think it would become a cycle if i said the situation we found ourselves is influenced by the things we do or don't do.
Then it will get to the question of our birth, we didn't influence that BUT then again our birth and circumstances surrounding our childhood is still influenced by the things our parents did or didnt do.

You see the cycle now? What do you think?

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OrdercityWeb:
Thanks for your response. It seems i lean more to your school of thought. I mean its only logical to agree we don't have control over the course of life.
...
But then the future be influenced by things we do or don't do?

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jtigwell0:
I stopped reading when you mention "The universe is assumed to be 13.8 billion years old. " keyword assumed... you guys deal with proof and evidences right? definition from google..

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jtigwell0:
why not.?

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