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Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Nipeks(m): 11:51am On Aug 28, 2017 |
thoth: A greater cause does not necessarily mean a God or Diety. I personally do not believe in that (though I am open to the possibility). A greater cause could be the society, the government, the laws of physics anything we can't control as an individual. Game and Chaos theory are both in support my opinion in the issue Game Theory says the outcome of a participant depends on the action of other participants. Chaos Theory says a slightly small change in the condition can give rise to strikingly great consequence. It appears we are on the same side here. Everything you say seem to prove my point. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by thoth: 5:02pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
your point which is there is NO Destiny, right ? Nipeks: |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by tosyne2much(m): 5:08pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
TinaAnita:Now I understand you better |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by StaffofOrayan(m): 5:57pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
Nipeks: I doubt the OP's idea of destiny is control or lack of control of the universe or all eventualities, the question is do you have a conscious hand in the going on of your life, ie are you just a spectator in the game that is YOUR life, has everything been pre-written/pre-destined or can you take the bull by the horn and change the course of your life - that is the argument, The part highlighted, is just an appeal to circumstances, people move, get more strength, explore new opportunities, become more motivated, finally understand why they have been failing and learn from their failures, etc, people have arisen from far worse, its very easy to accept mediocrity especially when everywhere you turn and people around you are mediocre at best. Hence a man living in a face me i face you house for 10 years would likely remain there until he grows extremely tired of that 'destiny'. As the saying goes 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results'. If you roll a dice a million times you won't get the same results, that is almost impossible, BUT you can anticipate the maximum combinations possible from rolling two dice which is 36 and every number in between. That's why in an impartial court of law, your circumstances might appeal to the judge/jury's sympathies but it won't exonerate you because you always had FREE WILL, except of course you are totally bonkers, and lawyers and psychiatrists can prove your madness after which it's straight to the mad house. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Ranchhoddas: 7:34pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
hedonistic:This is golden. Time and chance happens to them all... |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Nipeks(m): 7:38pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
StaffofOrayan: There is obviously difference between destiny and control. I am not saying they are the same. However the two are connected. When people use the word destiny, what usually comes to mind is "God's perfect plan for everybody". I am not saying God or any Deity is responsible for everyone's future. All I'm saying is that the future is fixed and control 8s the key to explaining that. If you can't change the outcome of event irrespective of the cause, then the future is fixed. And I have given several example that shows that thinking the outcome of an event is your doing is an illusion. Let me rephrase the dice thing again. If you roll the dice once and it falls to one. There are various conditions that caused it to fall to one (e.g shape and size of the dice, the wind speed and direction, the force, motion and direction that rolled the dice, the friction of the surface of where the dice was rolled e.t.c). If all those conditions that caused the first outcome are kept, it will always result in the same outcome. You can search for YouTube Videos. Some skillful gamblers don't even need all those conditions. I understand your message that nobody should settle for less. But it doesn't matter. People who will settle for less will and people who won't won't. You may argue that you are not a dice or a robot for that matter. But all those complex decisions you make are basically chemical reactions in your brain. We are chemically advanced robot. Want and fears is our zeros and ones. All our choices are based on wants and fears. Nobody chooses what they want or fear. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by thoth: 8:09pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
Saying that human CHOICES are based on wants and fears really contradicts the notion of Predestination(the right term in this context) For you to understand the absurdity of your claim I'll like you to answer this simple but illuminating question. All Human CHOICES are based on wants and fear as opposed to what ? I would like to explain that question further, if the plausibility of Predestination relies on "Wants and Fears" What would Free will rely on ? The question aside, If the effect of our Wants and Fears results in a situation where we make choices, doesn't that still prove that the final outcome is not autonomous ? that such outcomes are a result of rational thoughts aimed at achieving a particularly desired objective. Mind you that individual objectives are not static hence Robert likes Goat meat while Patrick is a vegetarian. so facing the same situation Robert and Patrick will make totally different choices based on the aforementioned determinants(vegetarian versus Meat loving). A reduction of your statement yields further to its self contradiction when we try to analyze the concept of Want, knowing fully well that OUR WANTS simply arises from our individual quirks and desires and by its nature not static. Being a war veteran i am not really afraid of gunshots, but my wife might faint at the sound of one, if i put her through basic military training those fears will subside to a manageable level. would you describe this conscious action of mine(putting her through military training) an example of Predestination or I influencing her and changing her Fears ? Nipeks: |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Onojasteve(m): 8:27pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
Until the days of John the Baptist, the kingdom of God suffers violent, and the violent take it by force.. I was never created to be poor in life, if my parents are poor, my case is different.. I disagree with what will be will be. Jesus said, to you many doors is open, but there are many adversaries.. so u must push your way to the top..not relax at the bottom saying what will be will be..Holy Ghost fire!!!!! |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:16pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
THE PURPOSE OF GOD WILL STAND, NO MATTER WHAT...DON'T BE AFRAID, IT IS A GOOD PURPOSE...THE DEVIL SUCCEEDED IN THWARTING THE PURPOSE OF THE ALMIGHTY TEMPORARILY THROUGH ADAM BUT GOD RESTORED HIS PURPOSE THROUGH HIS SON CHRIST JESUS..WE ARE ALL IN THE PLAN OF GOD |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Nipeks(m): 10:27pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
thoth: If free will really exists, it will not rely on anything. That will only nullify it as free will. But unfortunately, our choices rely on circumstances beyond our control. That answers your question. You wife did not will the fear out of herself, she relied on you. Key word - Relied. Neuroscientist and physicists have carried out various experiments. Non of them proves that fee will exists. Some of the experimental observations are widely viewed as implying that free will does not exist or is an illusion. Below is a quote from Wikipedia. Just saw this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will You may not respect my views. But maybe you can trust Wikipedia. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Nipeks(m): 11:31pm On Aug 28, 2017 |
prinzfavian: My opinion about a supreme omnipotent being is irrelevant. I am as clueless as everybody else. The only difference is that I admit it. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Ken4Christ: 12:02am On Aug 29, 2017 |
I believe in destiny but it is influenced by certain choices we make. In other words, you can alter destiny. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by WetinConsignMe: 1:25am On Aug 29, 2017 |
tete7000: My gosh, how brainwashed we are! Forget all the preconditioning u received for a minute and listen to what u r saying. You no longer know what prosper means! Someone who is obviously blessed in this world is not prospering in this world, while someone obviously under punishment is!! Ask yourself for a second, would you be thinking like this if someone hadn't put it in your head before u knew enough to reject it as the nonsense it is. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by WetinConsignMe: 1:27am On Aug 29, 2017 |
tete7000: My gosh, how brainwashed we are! Forget all the preconditioning u received for a minute and listen to what u r saying. You no longer know what prosper means! Someone who is obviously blessed in this world is not prospering IN THIS WORLD, while someone obviously under punishment is!! Ask yourself for a second, would you be thinking like this if someone hadn't put it in your head before u knew enough to reject it as the nonsense it is. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by thoth: 6:38am On Aug 29, 2017 |
Nipeks: This shows that you don't understand the concept of freewill itself. Freewill can not exist in relation to a vacuum, Since Freewill is simple the assertion that human have a choice in their course of Actions. You will really need to comprehend this concept since that might be the reason you choose your stance. Please read the analogy again, you are missing the point there, I am not one of the determinants in that scenario, Her experience(military training) is , it simply means i am not a factor to the outcome, her past experiences is. This article doesn't in any way disprove Freewill, it only states that certain groups among the scientific community are skeptical of it, while majority of the science community upholds it. Those that are skeptical has been classified over and over by different groups as lacking understanding of the concept itself. Research in Quantum physics has revealed that the human mind affects the outcome of our realities, the choices we make we realize according to the strength of our will. I think you should really try to understand what freewill is all about. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by tete7000(m): 8:01am On Aug 29, 2017 |
WetinConsignMe: God has used the foolish things of this world to confound those who think they are wise.They look, they can't see; listen, they can't hear; they actually think they know when in the real sense they live and wallow in pitiable ignorance. The mystery is beyond their comprehension.Take care of yourself and what you think you know. I no get your time anymore. Bye! |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by prinzfavian(m): 10:52am On Aug 29, 2017 |
Nipeks: Hmmm, of course it is relevant... Don't you think that one of the main factor of being clueless about God is the false, wrong, absurd and shameless way most religions of this world has portrayed him? One is saying he is omnipotent.... How? He can't do all things, He can't lie neither can he make a mistake... So how then is he omnipotent? They paint him as cruel by saying he will burn people in fire and yet he was greatly displeased with kings in the past that did the same thing by making their sons and daughters pass through fire, isn't that hypocritical? They say he has predestined everything that happens in everyone's life.... And then we have, the rich, powerful, poor, sick, severely wretched people, mad men and women roaming the market places... And still the Bible say such a God isn't partial... How? In fact, it goes ahead to call him 'Love'... Really? They say he is of 3 distinct personalities yet just 1 person.... Haa!, how can a father be his own son and also his own holy spirit? So if you're clueless about such a God, I definitely understand.... And dismissing that such God exist is surely a more reasonable stand than trying to comprehend all those errors. But really, God does exist and he is doing and will do everything he wills, to clear his name of all the misrepresentations by the religions of this world which isn't making innocent people grasp the true nature of him. Thanks. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Nipeks(m): 6:48pm On Aug 29, 2017 |
thoth: If you think I don't understand the concept of free will, that can only mean that your definition of free will is different from mine. My definition of free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded - Wikipedia. Unimpeded means unrestricted, independent of any external factor, external factor includes reason because you cannot control reason, it controls you. That proves that All reasonable decisions are not free will.
The article does not make any conclusion about free will but it made it clear that science frowns against it and I quoted a small section that summarized it. Can you quote any part of the article that says "majority of the science community upholds it"? That is very dishonest of you. Just say you don't agree with science. It's either that or your idea of free will is different. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by Nipeks(m): 6:48pm On Aug 29, 2017 |
prinzfavian:Unfortunately, I cannot not just take your word for what it is. I am not capable of ignoring my reasons. |
Re: Do You Believe What Will Be Will Be, Do You Believe In Destiny? by WetinConsignMe: 7:07pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
tete7000: It is one thing to lie to other people, but to lie to yourself? If u can't even tell the truth that someone who has prospered in this world has prospered in this world? That's very bad |
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