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Real men compliment their wives less......
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It's only new generation simping men that plaster compliment on their wives for most ridiculous reasons..it's one of those reasons women take them for granted and even slap them with paternity fraud.
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Only compliment her once in a blue moon. Let her seek ur attention and be on her toes trying to get ur validation

She's manipulating u..be careful before u become emergency boyfriend and unplanned husband

I followed ur story
Let me give u advice
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What you did is right...don't let these boys who don't understand women behavior deceive u
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Pls, never beg that gal..pls never
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Anything that u will do to make a gal come back to her senses is right... people can castigate ur approach, but it doesn't matter as long as it worked..
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Your gal has now been put in her place.....imagine same gal was insulting u, shouting at u ND making u feel low of ursef....if u dint TAKE that step..THAT her stupid guy would have been fvcking her by now....he may even have fvckwd her already sef...so never underestimate vagina people....never lose ur guard.. she still a suspect
Stop feeling bad Oga..,this is where she will get you and take u back to a simping man...
Don't beg her, she's craving ur attention, don't cheapen the attention by begging her.. don't
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I'm telling u a Redpill truth..remain unfazed....and only reward her good behavior
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Next is to give her a bed shaking rough burantSHI sex ..it's important ..though it's ur gal..but sometimes.,u have to fk and treat ur gal like a slut....,e geh why....u shd understand my point by now
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Again, never u apologize..cos same gal was planning to run u street, Just that u cast her game..remain the man and the prize..dont repay her coming back..she shd pay u back for putting u through stress and linking with one stupid boy that is till planning to knack her if u lose guard

wizrose:
I NO ABOUT THE JEWISH CUSTOM YOU ARE A CHICKEN MOST OF THEM GET MARRIED LIKE YOU SAY 13 TO 14 OR EVEN 12 THEIR GUYS MOSTLY 15 TO 14

BUT YOU STILL DONT GET MY POINT THAT WHY YOU ARE A DUMB HEAD, I SAID DO YOU HAVE PROVE THAT CLAIM MARY MARRIED AT 13 OR 12 LIKE YOU SAID NO EVIDENCE. BUT YOUR POINT WAS ALWAYS SAYING ITS THEIR CUSTOM WHAT IF SHE MARRIED AT 20 OR 19 NEXT TIME YOU USE BRAIN TO THINK NOT YOUR ANUS

I REST MY CASE

If u know all this to be true..,why asking more fooolish question...and calling me child abuse as if I disvirgin your sister ....you people cant make educated argument without projecting shit on people....that's sign of intellectual immaturity, and thats why u people cant have open mind to learn and ask question that will open ur thinking faculty and broaden ur mind

wizrose:
HMMMM BUT STILL YOU HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTION MR KNOWS ALL MR NOVEL HOW DO YOU NO THAT MARY GET MARRIED AT 13 TO 14YEARS.... IF YOU CANT BACKUP WHAT YOU SAID THEN NO THAT YOU ARE THE BIGEST FOOL EVER I ASK YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION U DAY TELL ME ABOUT NOVEL 18 CENTURY OR WHATEVER THAT ONE NO CONSINE ME WE ARGUE TO LEARN BUT YOU NO NOTHING @SS HOLE

It's not my duty to inform ignorant people like u when all information is within your reach
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The question u should ask is " what was the Jewish custom of age of bethrotal and marriage for women in Bible times and first century that Mary lived in? When u can think and ask reasonable questions, maybe u will start having sense and know wher to get info instead of screamin child abuse like a 21century mugu., ,,
Meanwhile, do you realize Mary had a father and mother that wasn't mentioned in the Bible that religious and Jewish scholar know of? I should give you that verse too from the Bible?

Magnoliaa:
[color=deeppink]Ozuor. Na wife wey you dey look for dey make you pander for female attention? And you now want to set up some women against others? Now wey you dey find wife, naim you con remember say NAWALT dey, abi? Kikikikikikikikiki.

At your old age, you still get audacity dey analyze and cherry pick women. You go tay for singlehood the wey you dey go so. Abi according to some theorists that bad men get all the good girls and all good girls have been picked and married off in their primes, , you're obviously not a person deserving of a good woman, because if not, why are you still unmarried, to that ideal young virgin? If you were alpha enough, you'd have ended up with one of those 1% rare women. But alas, life throws different curves, doesn't it?

Continue. Continue being the witness, judge and assassinator to and of Nairaland women, it
won't. get. you. anywhere. [/color]



[color=deeppink]Very predictable. Insult, deflect and try to cast it back on her. Shey you've been mentioning me, if I decide to get on your case and start trolling you, you won't take it too seriously, ehn?[/color]

Omo, wetin I do you?
I'm just seeing this 3 yrs later, and I still never marry..,cries..maybe I will marry you las las, that's if u have not crossed the 30 post wall year of Shiloh..which I doubt though

wizrose:
HMMM BRO! FOR YOUR MIND NOW YOU DONE TALK.. WILL YOU KEEP QUIET. SOMEONE LIKE YOU NOW WILL HAVE SEX WITH A 13YEARS OLD GIRL OR 12YEAR WAY NOVER NO ANYTHING WITH THAT YOUR BIG GBOLA THAT KIRIRI YOU GO MEET YOURSELF FOR CHILD ABUSE.. AND LIKEWISE WHO TOLD MARY GET MARRIED AT 14 OR 13 WISH VERSE FOR BIBLE IN DAY MAKE I RUN DO MY RESEARCH TO KEEP THE STORY SHORT IF YOU HAVE A 13YEARS DAUHTER WILL YOU LET HIM GET MARRIED AT THAT AGE MAKE THEN USE GBOLA SHIFT ON WOMB COMORT.. HUH I REST MY CASE

U be mumu, u dey tell me which verse.., fooolish people like u think everything God did and say with his people were all included in the bible......
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U think when Bible mention virgin he's talking abt a 25 or 30 yr old prostitute women we have in 2024?
Virgin are those secondary school girls. of btw 13 and 20.....
If u haven't read Talmud, Tanarkh, and many other religious and biblical traditions, don't quote me to ask fooolish questions....ordinary 17 and 18 century English novels and nonfiction will give u sense..but u people wont read...but be talking foolishhness everywhere

wizrose:
Are you high on weeds or what what the fu*k are you saying if that your daughter or son will you even say that... Love is a beautiful indeed but their two small for that sh*t they should just focus on their studies for now.. hmmm i wonder what kind of father you will become

How old was Mary when he was betrothed to Joseph?
Everything is not emotions..Let me inform you that Most Christian religious tradition and history belived Mary was btw 13 and 16 when she gave birth to Chris....
In olden days , and Bible times, this lady is old enough to become a wife...,virgin btw 14 and 19 usually get taken and married.....
Even till like 19 to 20th century, most European country including England had age of consent for lady to be btw 12 and 15...,.
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When u people won't read and know anything, u will think the present state of things is the most normal state...mumu people..lol..
They always talking abt education of gal child...same education that turns them to prostitutes, and hater of men and destroyer of marriage.....abeg make we rest...see all our graduate ladies..na aristo and runs gal everywhere.. despite their edu, even naive uuneducated girls now look up to them in prostitution....abeg make we rest......age of consent was always a subjective thing in every culture...
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Tradepunter2:
Blame it on the West.... Everything na western fault as if they put gun for your head.... Africans always blame others and never themselves .......Nonsense

there's nothing like prom in african culture......let alone copying the materialism and debauchery of prom

Western culture destroying Africans...materialism, sexual promiscuity, lack of marital values, infidelity, drug addiction and juvenile delinquency are all products of our constant interaction and imbibing the whitemans culture and education system....
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LoveUdie:
Carry your woman to the bed when she sleeps off in the sitting room, make her feel like a baby at times.The truth is, every woman wants to be treated like a 2-year-old girl at times, that's why women behave childish or silly at times. (Its a fact, its not an abuse please)👌

You may have an argument with your woman and the next thing is that you will see her putting her bags outside the house, it doesn't mean she is asking for a divorce, she is just being childish, she simply wants you to hold her, look her in the eyes and say “I am sorry for the argument".😇

My Brother, when your woman steps on your feet intentionally or mistakenly, don't let your eyes turn red, just smile at her, if she did it intentionally, she is just playing with you, if she did it mistakenly, its not her fault.🙃

why shout at her over every small mistake? As a man learn to ignore some things, don't be petty. Some men are feminist;😔

Do "hide and seek" with your woman, sing poems for your woman in the garden or inside the house, even if she is teasing you. Call her the most beautiful names, ladies love beautiful names more than shiny golds. ❤️

Assist her in the house chores, don't make her look like your maid. Bath together, wake her up for prayers, swim with her if it's available, cook together, teach her how to cook if she doesn't know how to cook, yes that's my handwriting, she must'nt know how to cook. Cooking is not the ticket to Paradise. It's not only a feminine duty.😊

Use blind folds to cover her eyes and tickle her, scare her at times, call her from work/school, text her, write "I love you" in a small note and put it under her pillow or in her purse or in her bathroom or in her cosmetics box or inside her cupboard.😋

Kiss her always, cuddle her, pamper her and play with her hair. Always tell her, she's beautiful and that you're happy to have her as your partner.🥰

All these are part of being romantic, its not always all about sèx.....https://www.allsinglesandmarried.com/?m=1

Rubbish..only a fooolish man will take this foolish advice

Woman will always smile and be happy in polygamy once a rich man is involved.....
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But with a poor man, our new generation will turn to Tiger and turn that polygamous home to a world war affair.....
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Moral lesson
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1. Have money
2. Women have no standards once you have money....none has a standard
3. Polygamy is suddenly a civilized affair even for the so called educated tussh lady as long as u are rich
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What a confused deceitful gender...........

StillDtruth:
You be universal Fool.

See Tufiakwa ooo. See Person wey dey plan to Bleep hin papa wife ooo. See Sodomite and Gomorite.

As God burnt the people of sodom and gomorrah, so shall you be burnt!

How can you be citing men who are guilty and blameworthy to make your case on God's Laws which standard is blamelesness and Holiness. Are you not so stupidly foolish like a thief citing Anini's case to exculpate himself from guilt?

And what a Perverted Fool that you cite Leviticus 20:11 for you to profane God and blaspheme God in saying he expects man to commit adultery whereas in Leveticus 20:10. He expressly states

10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Stupid Pervert, Is your father's wife not another man's wife?

Leviiticus 19: 8 even expressly forbids you this
"The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakednes

Yet you pervert profane and blaspheme The Holy Name of The Lord. The Face of The Lord shall be against thee to bring you into destruction. You shall plant and another shall eat it, your sins shall never be wiped out, and The Lord shall pour everlasting contempt and wrath upon thy soul and upon thy house and The Lord shall stone thee to death.

Dirty Pervertous Pig you shall live a most horrible life and shall die even a most disgraceful and horrible death such as the world has never seen.

Your Mumunity is eternal and has no cure..... the reason I'm replying u is for other to see how foolish u are......

You said those patriarchs with multiple wives never had plans to have many wives.....that God never really expect us to have multiple wives...
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I now quoted four different verses...3 from old, and one from new....to show that God mentioned in his law to forbid sexual relations with your father's wife, which also means that God had factored in his law that Your papa may have more wife apart from your mother...so it's normal in the face of God that ur father may have multiple wife
So telling me Polygamy was never expected of God is blatant fallacy and twisting of the holy scriptures that made a law that covers multiple wives....and its sexual relations law

But out of your grand uncurable narcissistic fooolishness you think the verses I quoted meant that Im supporting the breaking of God's law..that's how religiously fooolish u are..unable to think and comprehend Bible chapter that falls out of your delusion and bias......
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Those four verses below show that God expect that a man might have multi wife...which isn't adultery in God's eye, as long as the women weren't married to someone else before....and God see those other wives of ur father as legitimate wife, thats why God forbid u from fvcking ur fathers wife..,mumu...if u like dont understand it

Deut 22 v 30 --""“A man shall not take his father’s wife, so that he does not uncover his father’s unclothedness"

Leviticus 18 v 8 "Do not have sexual relations with any of your father’s wives, for this would violate your father""

New testament scriptures pointing to the fact that people had multiple wives, yet Paul did not forbid it, it only forbid the man sleeping with his Father's wife...

1 cor 5 v 1 ----"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife."


Leviticus 20 v 11 "" 'If a man has sexual relations with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.""
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" ....his fathers wife/wives means that the wife of your father apart from your mother....u will be a foool to say this is not God expecting a polygamous home...mumu

StillDtruth:
None of them planned to take wives but you do. You are guilty of both Adultery and Premeditated Adultery!

U be compound foool
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None of them planned to take many wives, but end up with multiple wife, even David had 8 wives plus concubines....u are a religious mumu

....How about Elkannah, how about all kings of Israel, How about God's law that says no man should sleep with his Father's wife.. So God dint plan for man to have many wives but he says a man shall not sleep with his Father's wife..U be legit mumu

Deut 22 v 30 --""“A man shall not take his father’s wife, so that he does not uncover his father’s unclothedness"

Leviticus 18 v 8 "Do not have sexual relations with any of your father’s wives, for this would violate your father""

New testament scriptures pointing to the fact that people had multiple wives, yet Paul did not forbid it, it only forbid the man sleeping with his Father's wife...

1 cor 5 v 1 ----"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife."


Leviticus 20 v 11 "" 'If a man has sexual relations with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.""

This is God's law, where God expects man to have multiple wives amd therefore forbids a son from sleeping with his fathers wife......U are a Bible novice ..foolishly cherry picking Bible...

If u can explain the above 4 scripture to mean God dint expect a man to have multiple wives then I will take u serious...mumu...

OP is right
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Church these days focus too much on wealth and material blessings
Early Christians only focused on spiritual blessings and holiness...simple.
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The evidence that show that a church is for God in our days is when the Pastor is wealthy and when the church is very magnificent....it's no longer about the move of the spirit and spiritual fruit...or spiritual gift..
Christianity is a scam in Nigeria..too shallow for any genuine Christian
People go to church to be blessed for material pursuit.....it's too shallow.. something that Satan can give....that the worldly people have without stress...
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Only very few churches truly represent Christ teaching and doctrine..the big churches in Nigeria are the worst.. sorry to say..

A low budget Christian is who u are...,u know nothing about the Oracle, judgement ad righteousness of God...
All your rightousness and anointing can never near that of Samson....u better keep shut and stop talking thrash u domt know...beg God for mercy, understanding and humility cos u lack it
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Same Paul and all Early Christians read Old testament..but u are here saying God of old testament is different...what a blasphemy! Same Old testament God that Jesus and Early Christians read about and worship?
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Nigerian Christians are so holier than Old testament Men that God called righteous? Lol
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What a shame and idiocy....

Biglittlelois:
Hopefully cheating is a deal breaker for your wife so that she will leave your sorry aśs, your marriage is not up to a year yet you're already inviting stds to infect her, iranu.

A man is never bound to a woman...u people should have sense....
If so, how did polygamy became so natural all over the world cultures

StillDtruth:
Polygamist, Otipoju, middledimension, NirFreak, time for your wives to exercise their right to polygamize.

As long as you also invite Abraham, David, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, Joseph, To this Whatsapp group and tell this to them, then no issue by me cos they are my own role model....No amount of bible quotation can change it

Your mate married 3 wives....u are here begging one loose girl....Men have lost their value and manhood to prostitutes

StillDtruth:
A great evil madness ails you that you still speak rather than keep silent in shame and disgrace.

Is it not proclaimed that Job is one of the 3 men who kept The Commandment, Perfectly?

Even Google testifies of it

job the man who kept the commandments

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Job was a good man who loved the Lord and kept His commandments.


And who does not see the very words which i have pointed out which condemn a person for adultery captured in it?

Yor madness did not allow you to let your wife to lust after other men in acccordance with The Commandment, yet you open your mouth to talk the Commandment.

Please take your mad evil and partiality out of here. For God, is not Partial!

You don't have any valid thing to say for Noah and Job acts has condemned all you fornicators and adulterers and when The Most.High Judge comes, He must punish you with destruction and strange punishments with a fire that consumeth with destruction.

Who told you Job is the standard
Is Job greater than Abraham and Davis?
Meanwhile, who even told you Job existed after Moses? ....lol
U know nothing...

Blame internet
Every teenager now owns an Android or iPhone..
What do you think they watch the most of not porn....?

StillDtruth:
What kind of lust driven mad perversion is this, such that you people have come up with your own evil hidden definition of adulter?

If this was so, why have you people not openly told the world that the dictionary people may reflect it that, according to you people adultery is partial and they look face, infact, it is lookong at the vagina and infact, it is only a married vagina that it pursues, because God is partial and hates only women who sin but not men who commit this same sin?

Whereas the bible clearly shows God, not punishing the woman caught in adultery because one person cannot commit adultery.

And neither was she married, yet a charge of adultery was laid upon her.

So already, Jesus' Judgment of non -suiting that case already shows that you people are liars, for under the traditional and international meaning of adultery, one person can not commit adultery. And adultery is perpetrated by someone who is married.

nonsuit
noun
non·​suit ˌnän-ˈsüt
: a judgment against a plaintiff for failure to prosecute a case or inability to establish a prima facie case

And thanks to you people's deceit, i got to find The Judgment that cuts all y'all's heads and burns your souls.

Here is God's Jusgment affirming the natural meaning of Adultery as known by people all over the world as affirmed by the public and regular dictionary.

HERE ARE THE WORDS FROM THE MARRIED MAN WHO GOD OPENLY AND PUBLICLY DECLARED "PERFECT"!!!

Which He did not call any other who had a scandal and a sin attached to their name.

But these are the words of a man who had no scandal or stain in keeping with God's Law of Holiness!!!

Job 31
31 I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?

2 For what portion of God is there from above? and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

3 Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?

4 Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?

5 If I have walked with vanity, or if my foot hath hasted to deceit;

6 Let me be weighed in an even balance that God may know mine integrity.

7If my step hath turned out of the way, and mine heart walked after mine eyes and if any blot hath cleaved to mine hands;

8 Then let me sow, and let another eat; yea, let my offspring be rooted out.

9[b]If mine heart have been deceived by a woman, or if I have laid wait at my neighbour's door;

10 Then let my wife grind unto another, and let others bow down upon her.[/b]

11 For this is an heinous crime; yea, it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges.

12 For it is a fire that consumeth to destruction, and would root out all mine increase.

Herein is the judgment of he who was JUDGED "PERFECT" BY GOD HIMSELF AND WHO.HAD REQUESTED THAT HE BE JUDGED, ON THE BALANCE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD'S LAW! EVEN ACCORDING UNTO THE LAW OF LUST CONTAINED IN MATHEW 5:28

Ye are obviously the prophecied evil generation of snakes and hypocrite that is to come; a pervert and sin over full generation, and ye shall all be cast into the fire for thy destruction.

You are quoting JOB in the issue of 10 commandments.....Job made a covenant with himself not to fornicate..simple...cos the lust was to a 'maid'....Jobs covenant doesnt bind anyone from being polygamist ......How did Job marry his first wife if he never ever lusted? Now even if he was able to marry her first wife without first lusting, then it's logical to say he can also marry a second wife without first lusting or having sex with her...since polygamy was never a sin in 10 commandments....So park well......

....you people just behave stupidly in the name of religion

TradingGod:
Real red pillers accept the truth no matter how bitter the truth is

If you indulge in pre marital sex you have no moral justification to judge women who indulge in pre marital sex

Because God created man and woman as virgins


St. John 8:7 So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.



In translation, if you are not a virgin, you have no right to condemn women that are not virgins

Only a male virgin can judge a woman that is not a virgin. QED

Someone is quoting Bible to justify sexual equality on a Redpill thread...Nawao....I won't be surprised if many commenting here don't even understand the philosophy of Redpill

To the Agbado folks, this is good governance

otipoju:
No way. Stop twisting.

Saul was dead. David inherited his wives. Saul was not alive.

David slept and impregnated Bathsheba when Uriah was alive. ( he was already married to multiple women and already had many children from various wives and concubines) before meeting bathsheba.

His sin was adultery and murder. Not polygamy.

Stilldtruth..
If you still not understand God's intention in this argument ..if u still keep blabbing illogical nonsense after this man here explained in details like talking to a nursery 2 boy...then I'm sorry, ur brain must be very very dry, and u must be suffering from chronic Narcissism that requires a therapist to cure

..Like wtf is wrong with ur brain..,where did it go

Meanwhile, was there anywhere that David took someones else's wife , which is adultery, before Beershebas case?....All women that David married never belonged to any man, even his masters wives was no longer bound by marriage vows cos saul was dead...so what's now hard for u to understand...olodo
It's like u all don't understand the meaning of Adultery

Adultery is sleeping with someone still under marriage vow...simple

A married man sleeping with married woman ...both commit Adultery

A married woman sleeping with different single and married men is commiting both adultery and "playing the harllot" "whorre" ...but if it's a single gal sleeping around with both single and married men..that simply "harlotrry", fornication, or whoredom

A married man sleeping with a un unmarried single woman is not adultery in the bible, that's fornication , or concubinage if the lady is a cuncubine, on the part of the man

Natbrowny:
D 1.3m na f*ck of 10 years b that.

If I hear, na till death do us apart, plus her two sisters

Psych412:
simple....fu*k the club Manager in exchange for payment ...no strees

So you think her pvssy of 5k and 10k per night is worth 1.3 Million?......
1.3 M that can be used to marry 4 wives at a time. Most runsgal don't know the value of money...

This kind of adultery and sexual immorality usually have repercussion to all sides involved.... speaking from experience....
The question is when the repercussion will manifest and whose repercussion will be more grave and serious..better un-entangle ursef now

Kajaard:
Wow Klass99 you really are a contrarian female and a rare breed I must say. This explanation makes a lot of sense.

Your man is very lucky

What's rare about her breed?
Cos he speaks her own mind.. something all women should do so men can help them..but most think men are prophet that shd read their mind

Since I got exposed to Redpill in 2011...My life and mindset never remained the same in my relationship with women

I always laugh at how it took social media to start exposing the whoring nature of women to men of my generation. Many men even had to marry and SUFFER before they have sense.....It dint take me 2 years after my first sex before realizing women are callous, insensitive and immoral with no conscience...I was 21 when I knew something was wrong with the psyche and love of women I was trying to woo and please..which led me yrs later to found Redpill which answered all the questions I HAVE been asking...now I'm at peace.
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I don't even know why...I usually dont feel pity for those men who fell victim of paternity fraud...cos how can u be so naive...how? In this present godless, sexually depraved and materialistic world?...same men will hype women and their beauty..same men will disrespect their mother cos of one ashewo lady they met 2 months into thire life...No pity..I'm sorry...Men will allow women to control them cos of pvssy they can get with ordinary 5k and househelp/cook of 10k.
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Being a simp is a calamity and disaster....Only a simp will talk about trust and love and woman in one sentence...shebi una no one get sense....
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Have u ever seen even on Nairaland where women strongly criticize paternity fraud? U will never..this is to tell you Most women don't care or see it as anything terrible..lol..thats woman nature including your wife.

...if u like trust that gender...u will only die young and they will inherit your property and start fvvckin ur enemy a week after ur burial, even on the matrimonial bed u left behind

Ritualists are now the latest billionaires in Nigeria
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For that mumu gal, just to let her know she has been used! she's part of the ritual wealth enterprise..
That money is her maintenance for the ritual

MaxInDHouse:
They are deceiving themselves!

Before the Europeans came to Africa our own people buys and sells their black brothers and sisters as slaves the white man only came to invest their money in what is profitable not that they started it!

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I often marvel at how these twister of history will confuse and conflate the work of English Missionaries in Africa to the work of Europeans slave merchants.... Aren't these two people different with different agenda?.

No Christians enslaved Africans..I hope they would understand and stop sulking like a wounded kid. Africans were enslaved with connivance of their tribesmen by European traders or European capitalists, not European Missionaries,......This is plain to see...but no...they flaunt slavery like an identity they love to be defined by. Nonsense.