Respect55:
This one small na. When I went into a theater sometimes around 2009,the nurses dressed me up and I was given some injections. Hardly had the doctor started than his phone rang. He abandoned me and started talking to a lady for more than 8 mins. I nearly died. When he later came back, it was as if the injections had stopped working because I felt pains all through

Interesting.
You nearly died.
When you were feeling the pains did you try to inform the doctor so that you could be given more of the anesthetic agent?
Because I'm 100% sure that no surgeon will keep going on with a surgical procedure when he knows his patient is not properly anesthetized or that the anesthesia is wearing off.

Yes, what the surgical staff in the picture did was very wrong and unprofessional.

But don't come and cook up your lies here just to score cheap social media points.

If the "gay guy" was trying to rape Charlie's friend like he claims, how is it that he now fell asleep without fvcking him?
Which kind rubbish highness made him fall asleep?
Someone who is intent on raping someone still goes ahead to do it whether he is high or not.
People have sex even when high sef not to talk of when someone intends to rape another person.

Secondly, a gay guy tried to rape your friend and the best thing your friend could do was to go into the bathroom and lock himself up.
Are you serious?
So that sounds believable to you?

Thirdly, so you guys went to the gay guy's house and kept on banging on the door for 30 minutes and he still didn't wake up.
Seriously?

This is just pure bull crap.

The only explanation here is that your friend had sex with the "gay guy".
Yes.
They had sex.
And then maybe he got into an argument with the guy and started looking for a way to escape the situation. That's why he called you.

midolian:
I don't know why these people are better than us in virtually every profession they have interest in.

If a Nigerian "barber" tries this, I bet you, you wouldn't know if it's Messi or Taiye Taiwo

The bolded is a very silly statement.
And is based more on sentiments than on facts.

Boyooosa:

Lols. Just pulling your legs, good morning bruv.
Why d sudden silence? Its bn a while.

Nothing much jare.
Just so many things I have to attend to.

afamaustin:
Has it been his mother knew she would have taken postinor 2 and flush him in the toilet.

You know it is possible that he might even be of better help to his mum than you are to yours?

Boyooosa:

Sighted you there, I don't want to believe what I'm assuming right now...

It is your mind that you will use to believe whatever you want to believe, not mine.

So you're free to believe whatever you want to believe and assume.
It's a free world.

SexytorresE:
I hate this dude with passion

You're not serious.

You hate him yet you saw the title of the thread and you clicked on it to see his pictures and then came down here to tell us that you hate him with passion.

Say the truth for once.

Whatever emotions you're feeling towards him, hate is not one of them.
Check yourself very well and tell yourself the truth.

Nigerians and hypocrisy!

asuustrike2009:

All you explained are valid and convincing but you know that we are carrying out investigation

You can pretend like you don't already believe what you want to believe.

That is your own cup of tea.

If you like, go and find out the truth about the situation of things.
If you like, don't bother about finding out the truth. Keep on believing and propagating propaganda.


As an added point, go to the website of the International Pharmaceutical Federation(FIP) and go to the part of their website that concerns hospital pharmacies.
There is something called Basel Statements which is sort of a guideline on the duties of hospital pharmacies and pharmacists.
The latest revision of the Basel statements was as recent as 2014.
There is no single mention, in that document, of consultant pharmacists existing in hospital pharmacies.

In fact, in number 5 of the Basel Statements, it mentions that the Chief Pharmacist/Director of Pharmacy is the one in charge of coordinating all pharmaceutical activities in a hospital.

This info is from their international organization.


And as it is, hospitals in Nigeria already have those two posts sef.
There are both Chief Pharmacists and Directors of Pharmacy in government hospitals.

So when next you want to tell me that NMA doesn't want pharmacists to climb, take a look at that and tell me where else they are climbing to.

But you are still free to believe whatever nonsense propaganda you want to believe.

asuustrike2009:

First of all, Johesu salary can never be same has NMA. Relating to ASUU and Nasu, it is not possible
Secondly, there was an agreement signed by the government hence they have to honour it
Thirdly am not taking sides but it seems NMA is exercising ego. NMA shouldn't have interfer in the first place. When Nasu went on strike, I didn't see where ASUU was going on air to counter Nasu. I didn't see where they threatened to go on strike should Nasu's pay increase. Why would NMA come on air in the first place. They have the minister of health and minister of labour taking side with them. Why should they bother themselves using the media?. Until we have neutral persons heading administrative areas in the ministry and hospitals, we would continue to witness rival between these profession.

I will respond to the parts of your comment that I bolded.

1. Thank God you know the salaries of the two groups can never be the same.
But that is what they are asking for.
They are not asking for it directly and openly because they know that it will be absurd and foolish for them to do so.
So, instead, they are going about it in a roundabout manner makinv it look they are the victims and unless you follow all the issues that surround their strikes from the very beginning and how things are obtained elsewhere in the world in relation to the relationship between doctors and other health workers, you won't see the lies they are telling and you won't know that that is what they are doing.

Call one of them and ask them the main reason JOHESU was formed.
Ask them.
If they will tell you the truth, you will see for yourself.

Since they know what is good, let them agitate for all of them to be started on the same grade level 9 (CONHESS 08). Whether it is pharmacists, nurses, lab scientists, records clerks, accountants, security officers, ward attendants and cleaners.
Let them ask the FG to start all of them at the same grade level 9 (CONHESS 08) since all of them are in the same union.

Open your eyes, oga. But if you want to keep them closed and be part of the propaganda, then be my guest but stop quoting me when you're pursuing your propaganda. Because I don't believe I will spend my time to lay the truth bare to you but you will just keep holding onto your unfounded bias without basis.

2. You are clearly taking sides because you don't fully understand what is going on and you are already accusing NMA of being egotistical. That NMA is trying to protect what is their right is not being egotistical. Is it when NMA allows JOHESU to be paid the same salary with them that you will now say they are not egotistical and they are good people?

Guy, are you okay?
You are clearly biased. Because if you are not, I don't see why you will see all the facts I have presented to you and even the ones that I asked you to research and cross-check for yourself, I don't see how you will see all of that and still be accusing doctors of being egotistical.

I have stated it time and again.

NMA has been urging the FG to honor her agreements with JOHESU so that they can return to work.

However, NMA maintains that relativity in salaries must be maintained.
If you increase JOHESU salaries, then you have to increase the salary of doctors too.

For example, the trending upward review of the minimum wage.
Do you think that those members of the NLC that are in higher cadres who as things are now are being paid more than 18500, do you think that when the minimum wage is increased, their salaries won't also be increased to maintain that difference in levels?

Think with your head please.


3. ASUU didn't go on strike to protest against NASU salary increase because NASU did not go about comparing their salaries with ASUU.
They went to government independently and asked for salary increase. They were not dragging ASUU salary structure into their negotiations with the government.

But in this case, JOHESU are the ones that dragged NMA into their negotiations with the government. They are the ones that started publishing salary comparisons between themselves and NMA and even in comparing those salaries, they started telling lies about the amount doctors are being paid. So what do you want NMA to do? To keep quiet?


Guy, it's obvious you are biased.

Initially, I thought you just wanted to find out the truth about what is really happening and find out the real reasons behind JOHESU agitations.

But it is now clear that you are just looking for an avenue to vent your pent-up bias against doctors.

Well done bros.

I hope you're listening to Radio Link on Radio Nigeria right now.

asuustrike2009:

It is so obvious that Nigeria doctors don't want other health workers to climb. When ASUU went on strike I didn't see other union interfering.

Like I asked you before, when you say climb, what exactly do you mean?
Where exactly are they climbing to?
But you never answered that question.

JOHESU was the one that brought NMA into their agitation for better pay.

If you work in a company and you want your employer to increase your salary, do you go to him and start comparing your salary with that of your fellow employee?
Is that the right thing to do?

Instead of JOHESU to agitate for better pay like they said, they are comparing their salaries with that of doctors and even telling lies about it just to gather public sympathy and you're here talking rubbish.

So you're saying if NASU goes on strike tomorrow and asks the FG to pay them the same thing that lecturers and professors are being paid, you're trying to tell me that ASUU will just fold their arms and keep quiet?

Always stand on the side of truth.
It will go a long way to help you.
But if feeding on JOHESU propaganda is what you want, then, by all means, go ahead.
But don't come here and make it sound like you're looking for the truth.
Because it is obvious you are not.

asuustrike2009:

They are. They are too curious to know what goes on between Johesu and the federal government. There is no way they can't deny ever thwarting the effort of Johesu. The evidence is so glaring for all to see

OK then.

Make whatever conclusions and inferences you want to make.
It is your cup of tea.

But don't be parading them as facts.
Because they are just your opinions.

asuustrike2009:

You are because you seems to know details about NMA

Are you making any sense?

What has NMA got to do with suing JOHESU to court.
Are you okay?

asuustrike2009:

These are questions Mr that need to be addressed. I thought your are from NMA? Why did you skip this question

Skip which question, oga.

I was not the one that sued JOHESU to court.

I am not a member of the organization that sued JOHESU to court.

I don't know why the organization chose to sue JOHESU to court and didn't sue NMA to court when NMA went on strike.

So if I ask you to go and find these answers out from that organization itself, does that mean I am skipping your question?

asuustrike2009:

Why didn't the independent body sue doctors to court during their strike?

Imagine this guy.

Go and ask them na.

Why are you asking me?

asuustrike2009:

Did the government use court when NMA were on strike? What kind of partiality is this

It was not the government that sued JOHESU to court.
It was an independent organization that sued them to court and asked the court to tell them to go back to work.

olalekanadewum:
JOHESU is the main pillar that hold health sector, without them doctors are useless. I now understand why Adewole Issac is threatening them, all our hospitals are under locked and the patients are been moved to their private hospitals where they will charge them heavily.
Kudos to Saraki

This is just like the body telling the head that it is useless without the body.

Does that make any sense to you?

If all the patients are being transferred to private hospitals, that means doctors are reaping the benefits of the strike.
Adewole Isaac is a medical doctor and from your silly analysis, that means he is also benefitting from the strike.
If he is benefitting from the strike, why then will he threaten JOHESU to call off the strike?

Is your head correct?
Or are you reasoning from your anus?

sogodihno:


pls, read what I wrote earlier but slowly this time, since u don't comprehend fast. And pls, stop quoting me it's a wasted effort trying to debate with biased mind already. peace.

I am biased and you are not biased, eh kwa?

So you are trying to tell us now that currently, you guys are not managing patients optimally the way you should do so.

You guys are waiting to be called consultants before you start bringing forth the optimum patient management criteria?
So you guys cannot optimize patient care without being called consultants?

Is that so?
Wow.
I never knew.

So basically, it is all about the title and the pecuniary benefit attached to it. And not even about the patient.

You guys are doing well.

sogodihno:



with the aid of further training they do what they have been doing now better and more input in patients drug management. The point is with further training, better knowledge and more exposure and at the end it is the patient that benefit. is that too difficult for you to understand?

Like what na?
Stop using blanket terms to hoodwink the common Nigerian.

List the duties of a consultant pharmacist/nurse and tell us how they are different or how they are an improvement upon the duties of pharamcists/nurses in the hospital presently.

List them point by point.

That shouldn't be difficult for you.

Amarabae:

Don't change the topic.
He is talking about how all other health professionals wanted to read medicine but failed.
I used the late professor akunyili to make a point.
Everybody wanted to read medicine yet in every year jamb, people who put Nursing science as first choice surpass those who put medsurg.
I am not here for professional comparism jamboree.
Just wanted to correct his delusion that was enshrined into him in the medical school.
The Nigeria health sector is in a mess because of a profession that do not want their business.
Health service is a team work, foreign doctors know that, that's why nurses, lab scientists etc over there are very happy to work with them.
This recent johesu strike have shakes down the little professional harmony that exist in the health sector

Nope.
You're the one changing the topic and yet you're blaming me for changing the topic.
As usual, always twisting things to serve your purposes.


He is talking about JOHESU.

This is the post you quoted:

eezeribe:
It was still a Medical doctor cum Senate president who resolved their issues...
JOHESU=ASSOCIATION OF FRUSTRATED HEALTH WORKERS WITH FAILED DREAMS OF BECOMING MEDICAL Doctors.

So he wasn't talking about all health workers.

Unless you want to tell a lie now and say that every health worker in Nigeria is a member of JOHESU.

No doctor said you people should not progress in your different areas.

You people should stop deceiving the public with this your rhetoric.

It is only a bitter person that will enter a work force and then start agitating to be paid the same thing as someone with whom he doesn't even do the same amount of work.
It is only a bitter paralegal secretary that will enter the Judiciary and then be clamoring to be paid the same thing as a lawyer or a judge.

Before you people applied for your jobs in government hospitals, you people saw the salary scales and saw the relativity in the salaries and yet you applied. If you didn't like the salaries and the relativity between doctors and you guys, why did you apply to work in the hospital in the first place?

Did anybody force you to apply for the job or accept the job after your application was successful?

I'm sure nobody forced you.

Yet you now entered and now want to upturn the salary scales and destroy the relativity that is in force.

It's a pity.

sogodihno:


I don't have time to argue with u, since u are blinded with sentiment. u are not really intelligent as u think. who is a consultant? by the definition u gave earlier, a consultant is a person who give advise to people base on area of his specialty. if a pharmacist being a drug specialist wish to be a cosultant after further training in the same field, who the hell are u to say he cant? are u his employer? what's wrong with a pharmacist being a consultant? what does it take away from your own consultancy?

Anyway, i reiterate consultancy status has been approved for pharmacist in Lagos state and soon other States will follow, if u don't like it, go and use the lagoon. maybe consultant is your father's name. ignorant fellows and saddist. SMH.

Like I wrote in my earlier post on this issue, nobody said health workers cannot be consultants.
They can be consultants but not in a hospital.
And I recall I mentioned the situations where you find consultant pharmacists and nurses as obtained in other countries.

The term "hospital consultant" refers to medical doctors and to no other professionals.

And you refused to tell us what a consultant pharmacist or nurse will be doing in a hospital that is different from what pharmacists and nurses are doing now in terms of patient health care and wellbeing.

Just mention the different thing they will be doing.

But if there is nothing different that they will be doing, why do they want to be called consultants if it's not because of that specialist allowance?

Amarabae:

So the late professor of pharmacy Dora Akunyili also wanted to study medicine but failed?
You see why the Nigeria health sector is in shambles.
It's a pity

Professor Dora Akunyili was not a member of JOHESU

They are just trying to save face.

It was because of the threat of being sacked that they returned to work.

After all, before that threat, they had already told everybody that their meeting with Saraki ended in a stalemate.
Now they are trying to save face.

Immediately the minister issued that threat, many of them returned to work even before they officially called it off.

This people eat propaganda like food.

sogodihno:


liar! A pathetic one at that. Fear God now! who told u pharmacist want consultancy based on year of service, for your information their is west African post graduate college of pharmacist, after which a graduate from the sch become a fellow and then a consultant, does this mean year of service to u?

I initially took u serious, until I I saw ur deceit.

Anyway, Lagos state has approved the consultancy cadre for pharmacist u shud go and revoke it. liar.

Keep lying to yourself.

You guys are agitating for Consultancy just so that you guys can also be paid the Specialist allowance that consultants are being paid.
You can tell yourself and the whole world that it is not true. But deep within you, you know that it is true.

If you try to deny it, then please tell us:

What will a consultant pharmacist do in a hospital that pharmacists are not doing already?
What will a consultant nurse do in a hospital that nurses are not doing already?

What exactly?

sogodihno:


No, it's a lie. Nysc Doctor are paid base on grade 10 which is their CONMESS 1 and others(Pharm, physio,lab sci apart from nurses)) are paid base on grade 9 which is equal to their CONHESS 8.
They dont enter the same grade even at NYSC level.

OK.
The only mistake I made is in the grade level of entry. And I'm sorry for that misinformation.

Doctors doing housemanship enter at grade level 10 which is equivalent to CONHESS 09 or CONMESS 01, other health workers enter at grade level 9 which is equivalent to CONHESS 08 or grade level 8 which is equivalent to CONHESS 07.

This, I gathered, is because of the number of years spent in school.
Doctors spend upwards of 6 years in school, that's why they are started on Grade Level 10.
The health workers that are started on Grade Level 9 spent 5 years in school.
And those that are started on Grade Level 8 spent 4 years in school.

This is to ensure relativity in salaries which is obtained everywhere in the world.

Is there any other thing I wrote there that is false?

After NYSC, everyone should proceed serially along the grade levels but you guys decided you want to jump from CONHESS 09 to CONHESS 11 And yet you expect doctors not to jump as you people have jumped.

Those members of JOHESU that start at CONHESS 07, why are you people not agitating for them to also start at CONHESS 08 so that it will all be uniform since you people know what is good.

But you people want to enter service with maintenance of relativity and then turn around to destroy that relativity along the line. Normally, with the arrangement, after NYSC, health workers should start on Grade Level 10 while doctors should start on Grade Level 12 (this is because there is no Grade Level 11 in Civil Service).
But you guys saw that 10-12 difference and it pained you people so much and you people now asked the FG to allow you people to jump Grade Level 12 to land on Grade Level 13 so that relativity will be abolished. And you people don't want doctors to jump Grade Level 12 and land on 13 as well.

Doctors never said your salaries should not be increased.
If you say it's a lie, show me where doctors rejected your request for salary increase.
And I can show you pictures of NMA circulars that even encouraged the government to increase your salaries.
Doctors are saying that however your salary increases will occur, that relativity in salaries must be maintained.

It is always about money with you people.
That is why your lab scientists want to increase the number of years they spend in school to 6 years. Not because it will add anything to the quality of their practice but just so that they can also be allowed to start at Grade Level 10 just like doctors.
You like using a roundabout way to achieve your aims so that it will be easy to deceive the common Nigerian.

asuustrike2009:

Your paragraph got me laughing . I think NMA need to throw more light on this to the general public. Thank you for explaining

Do you still have more items on your list against doctors?

asuustrike2009:

OK. You were able to explain in detail and sound convincing but there is another issue they raised. This has to do with health worker having the title consultant,why can't they attain that status at there should be job description?

Cool.

Let's examine what the word "consultant" means.

According to the Cambridge dictionary, a consultant is someone who advises people on a particular subject matter.

You are aware that the hospital exists because of the patient. And when a patient comes to a hospital, he comes to see a doctor to get medical advice or opinion about his illness and find out what he can do to get better.
In other words, the patient comes to the hospital to consult the doctor.
It is the doctor that advises the patient on his diagnoses, the extent of his illness, the pathways that need to be taken for him to get better and the possible outcomes for each of those pathways. It is the doctor, not any other person.
Yes, every health worker in the hospital is working for good and positive outcomes for the patient, but it is the doctor that the patient comes to the hospital to consult.

The title "Consultant" is not an automatic title.
It is not gotten by number of years spent in the civil service as JOHESU tells the public. It is gotten after a number of years spent after graduation receiving post graduate training.
But JOHESU is claiming that it should be given to them based on the number of years they have spent in civil service.

Take note, there are two pathways for doctors who are pursuing clinical practice after graduation.

A doctor can either choose one area of medicine to specialize in and then undergo the necessary specialist training required in that area. This training takes a minimum of 5 years. That is, after the doctor has graduated from medical school, done his housemanship and NYSC, he goes back to receive training for nothing less than 5 more years in the area he has chosen. When he completes this training, he becomes a Fellow and then will be appointed a consultant in that his chosen area by a hospital.

If not, a doctor can choose to enter the Civil Service. These are the group of doctors we call Medical Officers. Now, this group of doctors will never become consultants and will never take part in any benefits of being a consultant. Even if they remain in the Civil Service for 100 years, they will never become consultants because they did not receive any specialist training.

Doctors are not saying that other health workers cannot be consultants. But the fact remains that they cannot be consultants in a hospital. That is why if you google the term "HOSPITAL CONSULTANT", all the responses you get will tell you that a hospital consultant is a physician/surgeon who has completed his specialist training.
Google it now and see for yourself.

When they talk about posts like consultant pharmacists and consultant nurses, they talk about international best practices. But these positions are invariably new all over the world And in all the places where there are consultant nurses or consultant pharmacists, they are not hospital appointments. These consultants have their offices and positions which are independent of hospital leadership positions. They exist as experts of pharmacy or of nursing in a particular field or in a particular geographical location who can be consulted by other nurses or pharmacists and even patients too. They also provide nursing and pharmacy services to places like nursing homes, homes for the aged, mental health institutions, etc. But not in the hospital. You can check for yourself.

But in Nigeria, they want to be consultants in hospitals.
This is not because they want to improve patient healthcare because there is no existing loophole in the hospital cycle of patient healthcare that needs to be filled. As things are currently, there is nothing else they will be doing in hospitals other than what they are currently doing except they now want to take up the duties of doctors as well and chase doctors away from hospitals.

So, don't be deceived. It is not about improving Healthcare. It is about money.
They want to be called consultants just because there is an allowance called Specialist Allowance that consultant physicians/surgeons are paid.
And when they are finally made consultants, they will demand that they should be paid that Specialist Allowance too.

Remember I told you that the consultant position is not gotten by the number of years spent in civil service but by receiving specialist training.
When doctors kept on reminding them of that fact, they now stopped agitating for it based on number of years in civil service. They now started using another route.
They now started attempting to establish post-graduate colleges where they will spend few weeks or few months and when they come out, they will now say they have received specialist training and demand that they be appointed consultants.

Find out the facts for yourself.

uloewa:


WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH YOU- WHICH DOCTOR TAKES INSTRUCTION FROM A NON MEDICAL PERSONNEL IN AN EMERGENCY. CONTINUE CELEBRATING QUACKS. ANY BODY THAT KNOWS A BIT OF MEDICINE KNOWS THAT DOCTOR SHOULD BE FACING A PANEL NOW FOR MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE

poseidon12:


You should not be making excuses for the Doctor. This was an emergency and no DNAR was presented. Just the wife telling the Doctor to wait for an approval from the Pastor. Doesn't make sense at all. That's a case of negligence right there.
How many times do you hear of hospitals or Doctors getting sued in Nigeria? And hospitals in Nigeria generally pick and choose which cases to treat. We have heard a lot of cases of accident victims being refused treatment and subsequently dying.
In Nigeria, people just act with impunity. No consequences at all. That is what is in play here. And the Doctor is even narrating the event as if it was a sports event.

SMH.

This is incredible.

Nigerians and their sense of judgment sef.
Una well done.

Please, pay very rapt attention to what I will say now.
And you can cross-check it with what is obtainable in every other part of the world.
Don't come here and be celebrating your ignorance.

If you bring someone to a hospital in an emergency or he is unconscious, and you're the person's next of kin/emergency contact, it is your duty and responsibility to make decisions concerning that patient.

What the doctor will do is to do an initial analysis and stabilize the patient.
That's the first thing.
For any other steps to be taken have, you, as the next of kin/emergency contact, are the one that will make the decision to take those steps.

The only thing that the doctor will do is to lay out the different courses of action that could be taken and the probable consequences of each course of action.
And then, you will be the one to decide which one to choose, not the doctor.
This is called "INFORMED CONSENT" and it is a very important part of Medical Ethics.

The doctor cannot override the decision of a patient's next of kin/emergency contact unless he can prove that the next of kin/emergency contact is not mentally fit at that point in time to make such decisions and this has to be done in a court of law or if the patient is a minor (even when the patient is a minor, you still need a court injunction to override the decision of the patient's next of kin)

The only time that the doctor will make a decision to treat without recourse to any of the patient's relatives is if they are not there with the patient or if they could not be contacted as at the time the patient is presenting to the hospital.

The person you're calling non-medical personnel is the patient's wife. She is the one that decides the type of care the patient is going to receive. You don't touch a patient when the next of kin/emergency contact says you should not do so.

For example, you don't see a Jehovah's witness who was brought unconscious to the hospital by her husband and you know she needs blood transfusion to be able survive and then you proceed to transfuse her even when the husband refuses.

The doctor in this case, tried to do the right thing, but there is no way he can go against the decision of the wife. And he even went ahead to try to find out what was influencing the wife's decisions and tried to reach the pastor to reason with him and that didn't work out.

There was once a patient who came to a hospital with Diabetes and needed insulin injections but his religious leader warned him that he should not allow himself to be injected with anything, if not he will die. Doctors couldn't do anything even though his condition wasn't getting better. The doctors kept on counseling him and his family for several days before they finally agreed. And the injections were started and then he started improving.

There have been pregnant women who come to deliver in the hospital. When labor is not progressing and doctors tell them about CS, they refuse saying that their pastors told them that they will deliver like the Hebrew women. There is nothing else the doctor can do except to keep counseling them and keep hoping that they change their minds.

As for you saying hospitals are not being sued in Nigeria, I think you need to get your facts straight.
That it doesn't make news headlines doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I know several hospitals and doctors that have been sued in this Nigeria.

Common sense is not really common sha.

What you're calling DNR is obtainable when the patient is going into cardiac arrest and will need resuscitation. If he signed a DNR, that means he won't be resuscitated. He will just be allowed to die.
This is not the case here.
Please learn when things are applicable in medicine.
Don't watch medical movies and then start claiming that you know all about it.

Everything is the fault of the doctor.
When the doctor does what he is supposed to do and follows the decision of the patient's next of kin as he is ethically supposed to do and something goes wrong, it is the doctor's fault and you people will blame the doctor.

Had it been that the doctor didn't pay attention to the wife's decision and went ahead to give the man drugs and the man eventually dies, the woman will now write a long epistle on Facebook about how the doctor killed her husband and it is still you people that will still come here to blame the doctor.

You people are sick with your half-baked knowledge.
People who don't know and don't know that they don't know.
It's a pity.

asuustrike2009:

Am sure you didn't read other issues raised you centre on salary alone .There were other issues raised why didn't you respond to those one why centre on salary?

Oga sir,
I remember I told you to list ALL the ways that doctors were being unfair to JOHESU.
And the only thing you mentioned was "salary and grade disparity" and that is why I focused on that.

I am waiting for you to list your other points.

Anyone you mention, I'm here to present you with accurate facts just like I have presented you with accurate facts regarding the issue of "salaries and grade disparity" that you mentioned.

uloewa:
Which kind of doctor takes instructions from a pastor in n emergency. In civilized climes, this doctor would have lost his license. The doctor killed the patient not the pastor.

Hahahahahahaha.
You see what I'm talking about?

Was the doctor taking instructions from the pastor?
Did you read the article very well?

The patient's wife was the one making decisions concerning the treatment of her husband based on instructions she was receiving from the pastor.

Or you want the doctor to go against what the patient's wife is demanding so that if anything goes wrong, the doctor will still be blamed and then be sued??

You see?
You didn't bother reading the article.
And you're already blaming the doctor.

If the doctor goes against the decision of the wife to do what he knows is right for the patient and the patient doesn't make it, you will still come here and say the doctor should not have gone against the wife's decision and even call him a quack.

But he followed due process and actually treated according to the decisions the wife was making, yet you are still blaming the doctor.

What exactly is wrong with you Nigerians?

correctbae:
A stroke patient who was rushed into a hospital gave up the ghost after the spouse pastor stopped the doctor from Injecting him.

It was posted by the doctor on Twitter @trending_medic.


He Wrote:
Stroke patient came in unconscious , we can't do anything because the patient's wife's Pastor said if Stroke patients take injections they'll finally die.
Pastor's number is going through to give us consent. This man doesn't have One hour to live but we're helpless. Tick Tock

UPDATE: Patient's spouse has given me a list of tablets to give him. The Pastor recommended it. I've politely pointed out that the patient is unconscious and can't take any tablets, besides its all multivitamins, aloe vera and stuff and it won't do much good. Tick Tock

UPDATE : Pastor finally picked his call, said we shouldn't do anything till he comes. Doubt if he did biology sef in WAEC but he's the chief consultant now. Other sick patients are legit begging this woman, unreal stuff while I pinch myself at 5mins interval, this is real ��

Final Update : Patient has absent pulse, nil breath sounds, absent heart beat, pupils fixed and dilated, resuscitation attempted and failed. Patient's dead.
Pastor came late which is kind of a relief because they would have said the injections killed the man. Man's not had breakfast cos of this. Anyways not a single dry eye right here ��

https://correctbae.ng/2018/05/30/stroke-patient-dies-in-lagos-after-pastor-stopped-him-from-taking-injection/

Tomorrow now, the family will say it is the doctors that killed him.
They won't remember how their pastor misled them.
They will still allow their pastor to hypnotize them and make turn around to blame the doctors.
Everything bad that happens to patients is the doctors' fault.

RIP to him.

asuustrike2009:

Now tell if there is no disparity here in the picture below
Secondly why NMA don't want other health workers to climb? Someone gave an unbiased analysis why NMA is at log with Johesu.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.
This is extremely funny.

I can't believe that I just spent my time and energy trying to explain something to you and you still chose to believe propaganda.
It is obvious that Nigerians deserve these JOHESU people and their lies.

The agency that is in charge of paying salaries of Nigerians in the federal Civil service is the National Salaries, Income and Wages Commission.
At least, if you're really interested in finding out the truth, all it would have taken you is to go to the website of the Commission to find out the actual salaries these two groups of people are being paid, or at least Google CONHESS and CONMESS Salary Scales. They are not hidden. They are all over the internet. If you search for the actual salaries, you will find it and do the comparison yourself. I didn't want to post the actual salaries here because I expected you to do that one by yourself and because I didn't want it to look like I doctored the figures. But obviously you're too lazy to do your own research by yourself. And you're choosing to believe the erroneous figures that JOHESU fed to TVC News.


I thought that in trying to reason with you on this issue, you would base your arguments on facts but I have seen that you're choosing to base your opinions on propaganda to further mislead people.

Where is the disparity you're talking about?
I spent time explaining this thing to you.
During internship, everybody is on GL 10.
After internship, the next step is GL12. About half a decade ago, JOHESU got a court ruling that allowed them to skip to GL13 while doctors remained on GL12. This made doctors to go on strike and ask that they should allowed to skip to GL13 too. The FG finally agreed that doctors should skip to GL13.
JOHESU saw this and now, they are asking for another salary increase and they are calling it disparity.
So where did the disparity come from?
Or are you saying that while JOHESU people skip to GL13 after internship, that doctors should not be allowed to skip to GL13 too after housemanship?
Is that what you're saying?

The FG is not using a new salary scale to pay doctors. It is the same salary scale it has been using for close to 10 years now. It's not as if the FG just manufactured a new salary structure. Yet JOHESU has not complained of disparity till now because they are just looking for a way to force the FG to increase their salaries and they don't mind doing that by feeding the public with lies and sadly, the Nigerian public believes them.
All the while they were going on strike in the last 10 years, they never talked about "disparity" until because that's the only propaganda tool they have. Or did the disparity just materialize overnight?

If you actually want to know the truth, do your research and find out what these actual salaries are because THOSE FIGURES YOU POSTED ARE TOTALLY FALSE.

Or are you saying that doctors and non-doctors should be paid the same thing?
Because a lawyer and a court clerk are paid the same thing, right?
Or because a lecturer and graduate assistant are paid the same thing, right?
Or because an engineer and a technician are paid the same thing, right?

Secondly, when you say doctors don't want other health workers to climb, I want to know, where exactly are they climbing to? Explain what you mean by that?
Or you still want to toe the path of lies and propaganda.
If that's what you want to do, if you just want to base your arguments on the lies you and JOHESU people feed the public, then please, don't bother quoting me again.