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Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:41am On Sep 03, 2022
fergie001:




My dear Oblivion, I am not an old Professor. Sometimes, ask questions especially on issues that are a bit unclear to you.

What you failed to mention is that salaries of the GAs and ALs were reduced to accommodate that of Professors and Readers, so you think that is fair, just and alright?

Who told you the FG has implemented UTAS?
NITDA affirmed that UTAS bettered IPPIS, so where did you hear that they assented to UTAS (in writing). is it supposed to be a gentleman's agreement or be done in writing like IPPIS was done?

What do you mean some type of visitation?
What type of visitation?
Be specific about it.

The FG can even negotiate with the salary aspect, it is not the only demand!

This is the fact as of today:

‘’They met with the president, he set up a committee headed by the Chief of Staff that should resolve this quickly, the world saw it in the press, they did nothing. The president set up the Munzali committee, we met them finish, nothing, they didn’t come back. They set up the Nimi Briggs committee, it’s now more than three months, two months we finished negotiating with them, they didn’t come back.

‘’The president directed the Ministry of Education to finish within two weeks, two weeks has passed, they didn’t come back.’’



Now, listen to the Chairperson, Committee of VCs in Nigeria;

"This issue of saying we don’t have money to put into the university system shouldn’t be. It is like the Needs Assessment fund; it was not given to ASUU, it was given to the universities.

“When they say we don’t have funds, what they are saying is that ‘these universities are our own but we don’t have money to give. We don’t have money to pay for overhead to run the universities.’ I listened to Keyamo also. He is not even at the centre of the whole thing.”


Now, gently ..... Go through this, just yesterday;
https://dailytrust.com/fact-check-has-fg-met-80-of-asuus-demands-as-education-ministry-claimed

I will appreciate your reply.

Back to the matters at hand


My goodness who are the GA's and LA's? It sounds like a cult group to me.

Now before you insult me for displaying my ignorance, I looked it up and did not say anything meaniful.

Sorry about the GA'S & LA having their salary reduced. Even if that happens, ASUU should not be concerned about that.

They should stop pretending to care. We know they are selfish and self-centered

But the GA's and LA's (whoever they are) can kick against the salary reduction, and have a face off with the government. And life is not fair to anyone.

In addition, the government is not fair to any sector in Nigeria (Take it or leave it!!!).

From what I heard, federal government has agreed to integrate UTAS into IPPIS.

Speaking on the revisitation of universities, I have heard rumors (Rumours because I did not read it from any credible media source) that the government has started upgrading some facilities at some federal universities.

I wouldn't want to stress on that too much because I don't know how true it is, and I know that ASUU do not really care about that. It's not beneficial to their pockets.

Speaking on the government setting up committee to meet with ASUU: I beleive they don't always come back because they feel ASUU members are not reasonable with their demands.

ASUU was demanding for over 120% salary increment (Where is that done?)

Adoption of UTAS (Dictating mode of payment to their employers)

Implementation of a agreement signed over a decade ago, etc.

Those committees that the government set up to speak with ASUU can't come back, and they will keep coming and leaving until ASUU is ready to listen to what the government has to offer.

For heaven's sake, ASUU are not the only civil servant in Nigeria, and they are not the only union in the academic field.

I believe the reason why we have all of this complains in year 2022 is because ASUU does not always give the government breathing space. Before the government thinks about implementing something that was agreed on, they'll strike!

Allow them think of what they can do, and watch them implement it. Rather than always forcing them to do this, and that.

If the government says this is what we can offer. Take it, and maybe ask for more increment.

Think about the economy of the nation. This is really not a good time to be putting the heat on the poor government.
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:17am On Sep 03, 2022
fergie001:




My dear Oblivion, I am not an old Professor. Sometimes, ask questions especially on issues that are a bit unclear to you.

What you failed to mention is that salaries of the GAs and ALs were reduced to accommodate that of Professors and Readers, so you think that is fair, just and alright?

Who told you the FG has implemented UTAS?
NITDA affirmed that UTAS bettered IPPIS, so where did you hear that they assented to UTAS (in writing). is it supposed to be a gentleman's agreement or be done in writing like IPPIS was done?

What do you mean some type of visitation?
What type of visitation?
Be specific about it.

The FG can even negotiate with the salary aspect, it is not the only demand!

This is the fact as of today:

‘’They met with the president, he set up a committee headed by the Chief of Staff that should resolve this quickly, the world saw it in the press, they did nothing. The president set up the Munzali committee, we met them finish, nothing, they didn’t come back. They set up the Nimi Briggs committee, it’s now more than three months, two months we finished negotiating with them, they didn’t come back.

‘’The president directed the Ministry of Education to finish within two weeks, two weeks has passed, they didn’t come back.’’



Now, listen to the Chairperson, Committee of VCs in Nigeria;

"This issue of saying we don’t have money to put into the university system shouldn’t be. It is like the Needs Assessment fund; it was not given to ASUU, it was given to the universities.

“When they say we don’t have funds, what they are saying is that ‘these universities are our own but we don’t have money to give. We don’t have money to pay for overhead to run the universities.’ I listened to Keyamo also. He is not even at the centre of the whole thing.”


Now, gently ..... Go through this, just yesterday;
https://dailytrust.com/fact-check-has-fg-met-80-of-asuus-demands-as-education-ministry-claimed

I will appreciate your reply.

I have to say this, you people are good in gaining sympathy of people! Almost too good!

But you lack sympathy for your students!

Same lecturer will come to class, and stamp their foot into the ground while telling students that their salary will be paid in full irrespective of whether they come to class or not!
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:12am On Sep 03, 2022
GeneralBuhari:


Just look at your stupid logic.

So let's assume you are in charge of building a house for me.

And then you decide to stop coming to work in 2020

And then you come back in 2022 to resume the work from where you stopped

And then you insist that I must pay you for the work you didnt do in 2021 simply because you are resuming from where you stopped.

What type of nonsense reasoning is that?

And yet you want the whole world to call you an intellectual?

No work no pay, abeg!

I can't help but to buhahahaha at the bolded. It's so saddening that these are the people we entrust to nurture future leaders.

These people are far from been intellectual with the way they reason
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:09am On Sep 03, 2022
Nauttyprof:


ASUU is greedy but your Politicians are saint who have made the educational system rot to this stage. Did you hear yourself?

Fairness and equity must be brought to this. Someone spent fortunes to get elected is not an excuse to lavishly spend our resources. Please, say something else

Diversify into politics, and help make Nigeria a better place. If you can't do that, don't compare yourself with politicians who are public target no.1 for kidnappers, arm robbers, scammers, etc
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:08am On Sep 03, 2022
Hadizometer:

Are they paid based on work done or monthly?

The government imposed a "No work, No pay" [/b]clause on the union one month after the strike.

They still got paid in February, even though they worked for half of the month.

No work! No Pay.

[b]The government will win ASUU if the matter is taken before the court of law. Because it shows ASUU were willing to sacrifice their salaries until all of their demands are met!
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:03am On Sep 03, 2022
LORDCYPRESS:


fergie001

Mr oblivion...(op)

Pls answer this question sincerely.

Since you only know how to support evil...

Permit me to first buhahahaha grin grin grin

The federal government had proposed 30-60k salary increment

Implementation of UTAS

There has been some revisitation of federal universities.


I mentioned all of this in the main write up, and I beleive it's true because the government offered other unions slightly similar offers and they have resumed.

I don't know why people keep asking me to repeat what I had written.
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:57am On Sep 03, 2022
Niklaus398:
why should dey govt delay the inevitable? We all know they're gonna pay ASUU that money one way or the other so why stress it and take students time?
Fg will still pay more than half of their salaries either way, so it is better they begin now.

They don't deserve a penny!

The country is tough, if they are bold enough to declare strike during this perilous times.

Then they should be willing to sacrifice their salaries and allow the government use it for a better cause.

Everybody is grumbling on the inside, and some people are bold enough to declare 6 months strike while asking for salary
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:55am On Sep 03, 2022
Heterodox:
The OP is just one of many bastards around.



Are you okay with the useless graduates Nigeria education system is producing?

Is this how you people insult people on the negotiation table?

I'll write a piece about this ASAP
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:53am On Sep 03, 2022
TenQ:

ASUU is not asking for more money. ASUU is simply asking that the signed agreements between ASUU and the FG be honoured!

Is there anything wrong with insisting that a signed agreement be honoured?

Agreement since over a decade!
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:52am On Sep 03, 2022
Haywhy3579:

I schooled in a public university and i withness ASUU strike first hand. The lecturers always come back to class rooms to rush students and the school also shorten there calendar and give like a week holiday between semesters. So it still doesn’t justify the fact that the lecturer will do six month work in 2 months and now collect 8 months salaries with 2 month job

The sole reason why they always feel motivated to declare strike every year is because they don't get to lose at the end of the day.

They'll claim to be fighting for students, and their staffs whereas they are busy taking time off work, doing other jobs, and they'll resume back with salaries for months not worked.

Let them sacrifice this salary, and we'll see if they'll be bold enough to declare another strike next year!
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:48am On Sep 03, 2022
sultan003:




Okay, so cancelling it and starting a new session is the best way forward then..
Otherwise suggest the best solution

FYI, no one is going to rush anyone.. those session will go on normally, except there will be no holidays

If you schooled abroad and schooled in a Nigerian federal University, you will understand what is going on..



The bolded are LIES from the pits of hell!!!

Students will be rushed, many academic performance will drop drastically, many will give up on acheiving a good grade and will just want to graduate, let's I forget lots of carryovers.

The 2nd ASUU calls off strike. There is only going to be one or two weeks of revision before exams starts. The next semester will then proceed normally
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:44am On Sep 03, 2022
kafeii123:
Foolishness...ASUU didn't start the strike because of unpaid salaries...the strike wasn't because of unpaid salaries... even if you pay the salaries..ASUU would still not resume unless the issues that caused the strike in the first place.. become resolved...

If you will punish ASUU for maintaining the strike...then you should also include everyone in the ministries of labor... and education... for letting the strike go on this far...yet not resolving anything....

After all ASUU had concluded talks with the government's teams... before the minister of education now suddenly came up with a sham decree that negates all the terms of the concluded agreement

ASUU should be punished for being unreasonable with their demands.

They were asking for over 1 trillion of Nigeria currency if I'm not mistaken at the intial stage.

They later broke It down few months after and claimed they want over 250 billion per year, and all the calculation sums up to 1.1 trillion.

Same ASUU wants the adoption of UTAS, and rejects the idea of integrating UTAS into IPPIS.

Same ASUU says they want to be able to recruit staffs from advance countries (Under the crumbling economy)

I can go on, and on....

THEY MUST NOT GET PAID!!!

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Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:39am On Sep 03, 2022
Haywhy3579:

So work is done by quickly rushing students to examination table just after one month of resumption. Paying them amount to scamming millions of Nigerians wch include u and I. By next year they will still strike because it is a norms to them and they know government will pay them

Its now like a tradition for them. They'll start clamouring for strike after resuming for the new year work.

Declare strike, go and relax with their families at home. Come back, start exams, get paid for months not worked, and repeat the same process the following year.
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:36am On Sep 03, 2022
sultan003:



There is nothing like work not done in the university academic system, because whenever the strike is called off all those semesters and session paused will be resumed and concluded before a new session is started.

So the work is still done, except when those semesters and sessions are cancelled that is when work is not done

You call two weeks of revision (That's if the lecturer even comes to class), and exam work?

Lecturers are not going to teach anything. They'll just assume students has been reading while the strike was ongoing!
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:31am On Sep 03, 2022
rant19ade:
In saner climes and with responsible govt, no strike to a key sector of the economy/sociol life will reach six months. Most would have been btw 2weeks to a month.
So the idea of no work no pay make sense.
After fg dragged leg for over six months now wants to not pay for those period because of no work no pay policy can't work.
Simple

ASUU were the ones dragging negotiations.

Asking for over 100% salary increment, adoption of UTAS and many other frivolous demands.

They don't deserve a dime. Who will compensate the students who have been at home watching their peers soar higher?
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:28am On Sep 03, 2022
JJuanMiguel:

Because it was unreasonable, ASUU asking for 180% salary increment. It means someone on 200k will jump to 560k.

FG who is their employer offered 30k-60k increment, they said it's too small and that's part of why they are still at home.
But the major reason, even though they will deny it is the shock of the stance of FG on no work no pay policy. They didn't anticipate it, some have even borrowed money via their cooperatives to sustain themselves during the strike with the hope to get a huge sum when they call off to pay back. Now FG have put them in a more difficult position.


ASUU has been unreasonable with their demands since day one. They are only trying to make the masses beleive they are fighting for better this and that. Whereas, we know they are fighting for their pockets.

I support the motion of withholding their salaries, and not giving them 1kobo for all the months not worked.

It's okay to declare strike, but it's not okay to be unreasonable with demands. Imagine how they've been comparing themselves with bandits and terrorists while saying if government can pay terrorists why can't they pay them?
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 3:05pm On Sep 02, 2022
We4all:
If they are paying bandits for killing, why shouldn’t they pay ASUU for striking?


So you're saying ASUU are no different from bandits.

Because why the comparison?

How do they relate?

That's like comparing Mc oluomo to Dangote
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:23pm On Sep 02, 2022
Jflex07:
Trash from an Apc paid urrchin. You blame ASUU but exonerate the useless government.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS TRIED.

THEY HAVE EVEN DONE BEYOND EXPECTATIONS. ASUU SHOULD SHOW SOME EMPATHY AND RESUME ASAP
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:22pm On Sep 02, 2022
GeneralBuhari:
ASUU own don too much.

There should be consequences for going on all these unnecessary strikes.

I'm glad the federal government has decided to remind ASUU who the boss really is now.

By the time ASUU finally decides to come back from their indefinite leave, even if they eventually get paid for the work not done, at least their body go don hear am well.

One union will just be thinking they are better than the rest meanwhile you can't even see the evidence of excellence in what they claim they are producing.

Next time when they want to declare their usual annual holiday a.k.a strike, the fear of not getting paid in the end will make them to think twice.

They must not even get paid.

The government has invited them to several meetings telling them what they can offer.

They keep insisting on their own terms while claiming the students should sacrifice their time for the cause.

If the students can sacrifice their precious time, they should also be able to sacrifice their precious salary for the cause.
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:20pm On Sep 02, 2022
Missionaire:

Where is it done that a union will declare 6 months strike, and still be expecting a salary for work not done?

Where is it done that a Union will return from strike and still do the backlog of the work they didn't do while on strike (without being paid)?

It is a simple thing. Either ASUU is paid for the time on strike since they will still do the backlog of the work just as they have been doing or they don't get paid but it is agreed that they will start on a new slate thereby making new students, final year students and pending lectures to be overboarded.

Let's be realistic here.

Lecturers do not really do backlog of works they didn't do during the strike.

If the management is kind enough, they'll give two weeks grace for revisions before exams.

While some schools just starts exam the following week after Resumption.

How is that the same as doing any work?

ASUU are not the only civil servant in Nigeria. If they don't want to do the backlog of works not done, they should resign and allow new lecturers takeover from where they stopped!

Nigeria has enough qualified professors who are willing to take on their jobs if they resign tomorrow
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:14pm On Sep 02, 2022
Connected1:
The Government should maintain their No Work No Pay stance.

I already made the mistake of applying to study in a Federal University, so I will support the cause for a better education system for the future generations of Nigerian Students.

The incessant strikes of ASUU kills the little drive and passion to study that the lecturers couldn't kill with their wickedness.

They say students are enjoying the strike, and parents are enjoying seeing their parents at home while their mates are moving forward

Sick mentality
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:12pm On Sep 02, 2022
TenQ:

ASUU and NMA are the best organised labour force in Nigeria!

That is why it is impossible to break them unlike your other unions: think of that.

I hope you know that the joint organisation of Research institutes in Nigeria had been on strike since October 2021 till date?

This strike is making us aware of unions that we never thought existed.
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:09pm On Sep 02, 2022
Softmirror:


IT TELLS YOU HOW USELESS THEY ARE TO ME. VERY USELESS THAT I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE I HAVE BEEN MIS-RESPRESENTING THE LETTERS THAT DEPICTS ASUU/ ASSU. BUT THEN, IF FROM ALL I HAVE WRITTEN WHAT MATTERS TO YOU IS A SPELLING ERROR THEN YOU MUST BE ONE OF THE TYPE OF PROFESSORS AM TALKING ABOUT. DYSFUNCTIONAL TO THE NIGERIAN SOCIETY.

grin loko50

I am sorry, I can't help but to buhahahaha grin cheesy

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Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:07pm On Sep 02, 2022
TenQ:

I can understand why you are oblivious of the true situation on ground.

If the FG had negotiated with ASUU without the need of strikes, what would have happened? Who caused the strike.

Who weaponized payment of salary to frustrate negotiations!?

As far as you are concerned the FG is a saint: they conceded to 60% of the demands of a negotiation of a renegotiation by the FG!!?

I beleive there were some underground negotiations going on between the government and ASUU before they declared strike.

ASUU wants rapid action!

I support the no work no salary!

It is the only way to stop them the incessant strikes
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 1:00pm On Sep 02, 2022
ejimatic:
. I am only concerned about students at home.

As for ASUU if they want to resign let them do so. ASUU should learn how to shift ground.

After all they are fighting for their pockets not in the interest of Nigeria.

FG should put an end to their excesses No union is sacred in Nigeria.

It's a very simple thing. If they are not happy with their working conditions, they should resign and see how the grass is greener on the other side

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Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:57pm On Sep 02, 2022
samuelpeters:

Dormant staff members is different from striking staff members.

The former is not doing anything because their industry/place of work is not functional. While the latter decided to stop providing tertiary educational services.

I get your point. But if they pay them, what about students? Who will compensate them for wasted time.


The students compensation are in heaven
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:54pm On Sep 02, 2022
samuelpeters:
I still believe ASUU and FG are not sincere. Both do not want to shift ground.

But ASUU should have called off the strike, and start negotiation with the incoming government that would have atleast more than 4 years to implement their demands.

FG should not pay them shi shi. Atleast make them feel wetin students de feel

My guy! No talk again.

You've said it all.

If government pays them, they'll be more motivated to declare two years strike tomorrow, and nothing will happen!!!
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:53pm On Sep 02, 2022
princeade86:
students are still enjoying home. Their parents are still enjoying seen them staying at home with them and helping them do one or two things. If not, it doesn't cost students to troop out and stage a massive protest against government by delaying their destiny. I don't know why people are blaming ASUU for the strike, while in every sectors of government, billions of naira are missing without traces. Is unfair. If Nigeria labor Congress can hold government tight like ASUU, by now, Nigeria would have better. But their own sector already compromise with bad leadership.

No sane student, I repeat NO SANE STUDENT is ever going to protest on behalf of ASUU ever again.

ASUU have proven to be selfish, self centered and they have shown that they lack empathy for their students.

Constantly holding student's as ransom while expecting pay is selfish.
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:50pm On Sep 02, 2022
princeade86:
students are still enjoying home. Their parents are still enjoying seen them staying at home with them and helping them do one or two things. If not, it doesn't cost students to troop out and stage a massive protest against government by delaying their destiny. I don't know why people are blaming ASUU for the strike, while in every sectors of government, billions of naira are missing without traces. Is unfair. If Nigeria labor Congress can hold government tight like ASUU, by now, Nigeria would have better. But their own sector already compromise with bad leadership.

It's only a foolish student, or a student into cyber fraud, prostitution, etc that will claim to be enjoying this strike

No parents is happy seeing their ward lagging behind.

The world is a competitive place to be, and ASUU- the union are keeping future leaders at home.

They are some people who still beleive in education being the best legacy!

Some students are frustrated, while some are on the bridge of loosing their sanity or all hope in education.


The self centered union are not showing any form of empathy!

And we all know they plan on compensating the students by kick-starting exams ASAP
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:43pm On Sep 02, 2022
Godoverevery:


More pressure to move there retirement age to 70yrs??

ASUU is the most selfish union in this country follow by the doctors.

How can a union want there retirement age increase twice within 8yrs.

It was moved from 60yrs to 65yrs just 8yrs back now they want it to be moved to 70yrs.

Are they the only civil servant in the country??


They are not the only civil servant in the country. They are not even the only civil servant in the educational sector.

Yet, they feel on top of the government..

They can declare strike whenever they are tired of working, and resume with salaries for months not worked for.
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:40pm On Sep 02, 2022
fergie001:
My dear Oblivion,

You should have mentioned the demands and name the ones the FG has fulfilled.

I guess you are one of those old professors that can't see clearly again.

Sir Fergie, I mentioned how government had increased their salary by 30-60k

Implemented UTAS, and there has been some type of revisitation going on at federal universities
Education / Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:38pm On Sep 02, 2022
loko50:
I wonder how old you are and if you have knowledge of what ASUU is requesting for. Your biased opinion is solely based on witheld salaries but you failed to mention the renegotiation of the current salary. How can workers be on same salary since 2009? It would be better if you can provide a more general view that this monolithic approach. This make you look like someone sponsored by the government.

I wonder if you are following the strike update.

The government has increased their salaries, implemented UTAS, before they went on to declare indefinite strike!

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