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PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo: 10:02pm On Aug 30, 2020
SlayerForever:
Okay. Thanks for this. Quite insightful.

But other accounts and documents (including administrative maps) from the colonial masters suggest Bonny is in fact Igbo country.
Basden gave us even more. You should see the map he drew that pointed out Igboland. He doesn't want to resend it. You really need to see it
PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo: 9:54pm On Aug 30, 2020
nengibo:
Everyone seeing this pic will know i've tried, 'you can take an emeka to school but you can't force him to read'
By the way, according to your attachment, PERE is not the same as OYE PERE.
PERE is not for royalty, according to your attachment

cc Bonessaw
PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo:
nengibo:
All hail King pepper, pepper ipob pigs,
This your building evidence means nothing. Dr. Baikie in the 1800s noted that Pepple stood for PEPPER, and that the king of Bonny was of Igbo ancestry.

The building evidence is obviously an attempt by the Ijaws to Ijawnise Ubani
PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo: 9:34pm On Aug 30, 2020
techmo:
Didn't we give Saraki Bukola Senate Presidency what have you given Opobo
We have Opobo Chief of Army staff
PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo: 9:29pm On Aug 30, 2020
nengibo:
and Pepple(Pereikule) is an Igbo name too athink, I thought its the Okoro family you will free, you lots are just a special kind of stupid
Read my signature and you will see that PEPPLE of Ubani are of Igbo ancestry, according to a book written about 200 years ago. You will loose this battle
PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo:
AlphikkaTech:
Present day Ibani people (Bonny and Opobo) are decendands of both original Ijaws and Igbo slaves/free people.

Speaking Igbo doesn't make them Ibos. They identify as Ijaws. The people of Bonny and Opobo consider it insulting to regard them as Ibos the same way a man from Niger State feels when called an Hausa man because he speaks Hausa.

This is not an argument please. I detest tribalism.
Stop spreading falsehood. Read the attachment in my signature to learn who the original Ubani people are. Thank God neutral observers recorded it.

In the full book there was not a mention of IBANI. The Ijaw strangers in Bonny were described as Ijaws from Brass. It is obvious it was many years after this book that they started adopting the name IBANI, as a corrupted form of UBANI, the name of the town

cc AlphikkaTech
Bonessaw
PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo: 10:31am On Aug 30, 2020
okeyglm:
opobo remain an estate of King jaja not ijaw. if you don't know the history go and research about it. jaja found opobo after he left bonny . jajas has never denied his origins even today. ijaw can never claim what doesn't belong them. supreme Court of Nigeria affirms that too.
That's what a lot of people don't know. The supreme court has already made it clear the party that Opobo belongs to.

Ibani Revisionism won't change anything
PoliticsRe: Igbo Or Ijaw, Who Owns Opobo? by OfoIgbo: 10:14am On Aug 30, 2020
godofuck231:
how can a man who was sold by his former kinsmen into slavery now being reclaimed as an Igbo man, what so ever a man give away in his lifetime, seizes to be his property.

The Ijaw are also known to practice ritual acculturation
(enculturation), whereby an individual from a different,
unrelated group undergoes rites to become Ijaw. An
example of this is Jaja of Opobo, the Igbo slave who rose
to become a powerful Ibani (Bonny) king in the 19th
century.
the igbos lost him.
The Ijaws did not buy his freedom. He was bought as a slave, but he freed himself back into the Igbo fold
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 6:58pm On Aug 27, 2020
LegendHero:
My friend, you are a comedian tbh.

So the mods are supplying TAO with information and they marginalized you by not supplying you with enough information to duel with TAO?

So Seun Lalasticala Mynd44 and etc are well versed in Benin history to the extent of feeding TAO with various information to use against you and the Ibos. Tao will lecture Seun and the mods like primary school student.

Let me say it clearly here, I’ve been on Nairaland for quite a while and I have NOT seen anyone that is well versed in Benin/Yoruba linkage history like TAO11 on Nairaland.

This is my advise to you, rather than focus on winning an argument against TAO, you should rather humble yourself and learn from the vast knowledge God endowed Tao with.

Lastly, it’s obvious you are very small for Tao so let’s make a bet. You will provide your best Igbo professor in History (with concentration in Benin/Igbo history) and I will provide TAO11 for a debate.

If your professor win TAO, I will denounce my Yorubaness and go to NRI to pledge allegiance.

Are you game?
Stop being a dunce. Check out the number of LIKES he got for the nonsense he sent off yesterday. Even if he didn't get any help from the owners ( which I seriously doubt ), he has a bunch of enablers, who are so disappointed at the assault I am carrying out on their fake history.

Wait for my reply though. NRI = THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 6:15pm On Aug 27, 2020
TAO11:
Hahaha grin grin

You’re such a dumb and insecure nRi villager. grin

You just magnified the typical Igbo insecurity and persecution complex in you.

And this a good index that my flogging did indeed got to you.

The attached screenshot below shows you sharing one of my old posts. And you’ve been caught doing that elsewhere.

Your tiny clogged brain should have informed you that I will receive a notification whenever you share my post.

You actually turned out to be dumber than I had initially anticipated. cheesy
Your crap getting to mehuh
You must be joking. Rather considering how I will smack you historical asss
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 5:39pm On Aug 27, 2020
TAO11:
@OfoIgbo has been sent back to the classroom. cheesy

You were caught jacking my old Nairaland posts as if you have an exam.

Goodluck to you tho. cheesy

cc: BabaRamota1980
People, this is a proof that the owner(s) of nairaland is/are working in tandem with TAO11, feeding him with various information which they hope, will help her in dumping her historical fraud on the unassuming forumites.

They will never give me the information they are giving her, but unfortunately for you, I'm a solid NRI G that knows his historical onions.

Even your Ooni has told you of Igbo accomplishments in times gone by, but these upstarts feel they know more than the traditional Yoruba high priest
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 4:27pm On Aug 27, 2020
TAO11:
You’re a brutal liar who is obviously chocking from his own insecurities and inferiority complex. cheesy

(1) (i) First of all, Nri is nowhere close to 19 or 20 moons’ journey from Bini by any stretch of the imagination.

Show us your computation, you insecure fatuous liar. grin grin

(ii) Ife, on the other hand, came to OVER 19 moons’ journey (based on the median of the three-variable-data I obtained from C.J. Okojie’s ”Ishan Native Laws and Customs”). I shared my clear easy-to-follow computation.

Please do yourself the good of sharing how you fraudulently came to 19 moons from Benin to Nri — , Mr fatuous liar. grin

(2) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of small shiny brass cross from your nRi, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

On the other hand, I provided the textual evidence (in the same link) showing how Oba Eweka (informed H.L. Ward-Price that he) performs certain rituals every morning at dawn with the small piece of shiny brass cross while first addressing the ritual to the Oghene of Ife before other Yoruba kings and himself.

There is no mention of any Igbo king in the account — not one Igbo king, let alone nRi. grin cheesy You fraud!

(3) Regarding, the evidence for any piece of brass helmet, you failed again to provide any. And the reason is simple, there is none.

You fraudulently pretended like you have no clue what a helmet means.

No, a helmet is not worn as a pendant around the neck — instead, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

The Iyoba pendant which you attached is also worn by the Attah of Igala, and it simply re-enacts the historical looting of Bini artifacts.

The original copy of the Bini Iyoba artifact which the Igala and Igbo pendants are modeled after is not even made of a brass to begin with. grin

Instead, it is made of ivory. But most importantly it is not a helmet, and the Igbo and Igala copies are also not helmets but mere pendants.

Again, a helmet is worn from above the head and covering the head, and sometimes the face too in addition to the head.

And I have shown in the same link that the Benin collection of artifacts till date boasts of such brass helmets known by the name the Oduduwa helmets. cheesy
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Appendix:
(A) Regarding “Oghene”:

The phrase “Oghene n’Nri” is a fraud made up by you yourself as it does not exist anywhere in Bini history . It just doesn’t exist. I challenge you to provide any scholarly evidence for that.

Instead “Oghene n’Uhe”, on the other hand, is what the Binis call the “Ooni of Ife” historically.

You’re clearly a fraud and an insecure fool. grin

(B) Regarding the “East” mentioned in that account.

Like I have shown you again and again with scholarly evidence, the phrase ”the place from where dawn comes”; or “the place from where the sun rises” is PRECISELY the religious epithet of Ife — “Ife: Ibi ojumo tii mo wa”. smiley

Moreover, scholars have come to the conclusion that the “East” mentioned in that account as the kingdom of the Ogane is NOT intended by the Bini informants in a literal geographical sense.

Please name me one scholar — just one — who noted that the “East” mentioned in that account was in reference to Ibo land. grin cheesy Mr Fraud!

(C) Your mention of the staff of office actually makes your position more difficult. I wonder why you thought I should have been redundant enough to touch on this most obvious of all the details of the account. grin

In case you’re genuinely confused as to where the Benin Oba monarchy got its staff of authority from, then keep reading below:

All extant classical/official Benin account states that the Oba monarchy of Benin was founded by a Yoruba man from Ife — I am yet to come across that which will say it came from Igbo land. cheesy

Even your Igbo oral traditional account acknowledge this historical fact in the “Agha Oba na Idu” oral account.

Moreover, even the modern revised apocryphal Bini account from Erediauwa & co did not deny the Ife connection, they only attempted to to flip the cause as the effect. But in any case, no mention of Igbo land was even faintly suggested as the origin of their Oba monarchy.

In other words, neither the classical official Bini account nor the modern apocryphal Bini account mentions Igbo land as the origin of the Oba monarchy. grin

(D) You’re a grand fraud to have said (without evidence) that your unrecognized Nri predates Ife.

The 1969 Paul Ozanne report of a preliminary archaeological survey of Ife noted that many settlements were already established in Ife by circa 400 BCE.

Bring me any scholarly evidence of occupation and settlements in nRi which is even remotely close to that, you insecure fraud. grin
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In sum, my objective here is simply to demolish your lies in relation to the actual three questions I had posed to you.

In doing so, I demolished more than what I had originally planned for. grin

Please let me know if there is any of your lies which I have missed out by oversight. cheesy
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And as a reminder, here are the details for you again:

(1) The account states that the Ogané’s kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a piece of brass helmet as an indication of his approval.


Nri children are waiting desperately for your specific replies to each of these details backed by scholarly evidence.

Cheers!

cc: BabaRamota1980
TAO11 the fake historian grin grin grin grin

You have fallen into my several traps biatch.

My reply will come hopefully tomorrow or Saturday, all things being equal, but before then, I invite every Igbo person to listen to this interview which I just got the link of. Quite informative to those who want to learn a little.
The guest is Prince Chukwuemeka Onyesoh, whose great grand father was Eze Nri Enwelana I. He was the first Eze Nri ever to approve the use of military force, in battling the slave trade somewhere in Southern Igboland.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4pa0AsVmCE&feature=youtu.be

Also, the attachment below shows Ife, Benin and Nri positions on the map. Nri clans have common boundary with Awka. Distances on the map are scaled/propotional. For ease of understanding, I also added two lines. One line from Ife to Benin. The other line from Nri to Benin. It will seem as though I am dealing with a huge dunce, so some of these things will have to be spelt out. I wrote initially that the distance from Benin to Nri was nearly 19 moons, and I still stand on that point. Crossing the 1 mile-wide river Niger will be almost equivalent to covering about 10 miles on land, because there were no river-crossing service then. It may take the party about a day or two to find an appropriate vehicle to use to cross the river, during which, someone walking on land may have covered about 10 miles, so I want you to bear that in mind.

Please I want everyone to be ruminating over the above point, and wait for my reply which will expose this great fraud TAO11, who obviously seems to be working with the owner of nairaland, and possibly some of the Yoruba irrendentist politicians and historians.

So if IFE means EAST, does IFE also mean EAST OF BENIN?? Quack jobs!!!

Now for the joker I threw in yesterday. Today, I was expecting you to send in the picture of this brass helmet, but you didn't. Anyway, I have taken the liberty to attach it here. It is named ODODUWA mask, but let us even assume they made a mistake, and instead the real name is ODUDUWA mask. Thanks for bringing this issue up. That was exactly why I asked you to send in any such evidence, so that it won't be me sending them in, before you twist it to mean something else. Wait for my coming reply biatch grin grin grin grin

Sometime ago, you even started claiming that the Eze Nri visited the Ooni to pay respects. Another falsehood from an irredeemable fraud we all know as TAO11. Wait for my reply on this also.

I am gonna have some fun replying to your trash

CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 1:25pm On Aug 27, 2020
BrownLondon:
there is nothing to compete here you idiot..

inferiority complex at it best.

black women are beautiful and unique.

I know very soon ibos will be opening threads saying they have the best loamy soil in the world, LMAO, that's how stupid you guys can be.


Yoruba women are NOT VERY beautiful

Hausa fulani women are beautiful

igbo women are VERY beautiful.

and the list goes on.

black is beautiful.
Fixed
CultureRe: Meet Queen Idia Of The Benin Kingdom – Mother Of Oba Esagie by OfoIgbo: 10:51am On Aug 27, 2020
why does she have the head piece of a pusssy, covering her pusssy? grin grin grin
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 10:44am On Aug 27, 2020
Very shortly Yorubas will start flooding this thread with half-breeds to represent Yoruba beauty.

Just watch out for Yoruba-Oyibo women, or Yoruba-Igbo women e.t.c pictures
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 4:11pm On Aug 26, 2020
TAO11:
(1) The account states that the Ogané’s kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) The account states that the Ogané sends an incoming Benin king a piece of brass helmet as an indication of his approval.
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Will you now demonstrate with scholarly evidence how Nri kingdom checks the above-listed boxes in relation to Benin kingdom?? grin

The people of Nri are waiting desperately for your specific replies to each of those backed by scholarly evidence. cheesy

cc: BabaRamota1980
I don't believe you even raised the first question, especially after you had already determined that Ife is 19 moons away.

Just by mere looking at the position and distance of any of the core Nri towns, and comparing that against the position and the distance of Ife, it is clear you have no point.

On a straight line, Ife to Benin, is slightly a little longer than Nri to Benin. What does that tell you, vis-a-vis the calculation you made for Ife, in which you came up with a figure of 19 moons?

1, Ife is to the northwest of Benin while Nri is to the EAST OF BENIN (Nri's direction matches the records of early Portuguese)
2. Ife is about 19 moons away from Benin, while Nri is also approximately 19 moons away from Benin, according to your calculations for Ife (both Ife and Nri are near enough to the distance/time noted by the early Portuguese)

So from the above, the score is 2 - 1 in favour of Nri

However in my estimation, these journeys were not straight-forward, so one had to know the towns they stop over to rest and stay in. What this means is that it requires a little bit more sophisticated mathematics to determine. One will need knowledge of the towns they stop over in, the knowledge of Pythagoras theorem, sine, cosine and tangent rules. And to determine the curves in the journey, one needs an appreciable knowledge of calculus.

In my estimation, if a more exact science is applied, it may extend the trip to Nri to a little over 20 moons, while the journey to Ife, will then take about 21 moons

So basically the OGHENE n'NRI (NSHI) resided and still resides in a kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

The OGHENE n'UHE resided and still resides in a kingdom to the NORTHWEST OF BENIN, and is APPROXIMATELY 20 MOONS JOURNEY away.

NRI gets it.


Now getting to the other points you raised which I am sure you brought up just to throw up some dust so that people will miss the point, which is that the kingdom to the EAST OF BENIN remains NRI.

First of all, I noticed you did not mention the staff that the Eze Nri also issued to the past Obas. Well, we refer to it as OFO or OVO or OWHO. Nice to know that the Portuguese explorers noted that. Even up till today, a very few number of Igbo monarchs still collect their OFO from Nri. That is about the only major thing that is given, as Nri is no longer as sovereign as it once was, and as such is totally dependent on the paltry allowance the governments provide, and he receives about the same amount as any meaningless warrant chief in Anambra, so with that in mind, it will be difficult for the Nris to go all out to bestow more regal paraphernalia on deserving monarchs.

Head piece is not necessarily worn on the head. The first two picture attachments prove this point.
The head pieces that both the Attah of Igala and Ezenri of Oraeri wear are made of BRASS, and could be said to be shaped like SPANISH HELMETS of that period. In Nri, the head piece is called NWATA ONA. Now, whether it was placed on the head, or have always been worn around the neck, we will never know unless more evidence emerges, but for the moment, let us assume it was always worn around the neck, or maybe the Benin monarch wore his on his head.

THE ASSIGNMENT I WILL GIVE YOU IS THIS: Find a picture of the Oba of Benin wearing a piece of brass helmet on his head, and a cross around his neck, and I will show you a picture of a brass helmet and a cross, the ancient Eze Nris issued the ancient Obas.

It's very clear that the ancient Eze Nris most probably gave these brass masks to rulers under the Nri sphere of influence, which obviously included the OBA of BENIN. Haven't you noticed that NWATA ONA looks suspiciously like the FESTAC official mask?
So basically, the Nris still crept into the mainstream African arts extravaganza, without the powers that be, knowing about it.

It is officially known that Oraeri kingdom predates the Ife, Igala and Benin kingdom by many centuries, so the NWATA ONA worn by the monarch of Oraeri was definitely not copied from any of these other kingdoms, and as a matter of fact, bronze/brass casting was practiced in Igboland centuries before Yorubas and Benin got into the practice..

It will be interesting to find out when the Eze Nri of Agukwu-Nri stopped issuing some of these royal items, which includes the head piece and the cross item to these traditional rulers.

Lest I forget, take a look at the last picture of the Oraeri regent. You will notice a bit of scarification on his forehead. So don't think that the white chalk applied to the face of a Benin oba being crowned, signifies Yoruba scarification. The Nris also had that practice only that our scarification works were so professionally executed. Much better than the Yoruba tiger claw marks.

If you need more anthropological and historical evidence of the Nri cultural, spiritual and political overlordship over Benin, then I suggest you read this passage from the Portuguese explorers/historian one more time.

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 6:34pm On Aug 25, 2020
BabaRamota1980:
That question was to test you by the way. Nnewi is in same class with Enugu, a colonial creation.

Find for me any mention of Nnewi in history prior to 1900. It is fraud to come here and talk about an ancient dynasty in Nnewi. This is all your history is made of, fraud kingdoms created for the convenience of whitrman to administer province. You converted warrant chiefs to kings and started associating a non-existent ancestry to them .

There are four recognized kingship in entire igboland and only one of them is self-created by Aro, who thrmselves are not indigenes, they migrated from Congo. The rest three are Benin origin - Asaba, Onitsha, Idu. Chiefdoms were created by Igala. The priests of Nri were Igala.

Stop your nonsense o. Dont vex me o. angry
You and your sister TAO11 are arguing blindly.

I know the NRI exploits of old, have made it impossible for you revisionists, to outdo the great Igbo race historically speaking
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 4:02pm On Aug 25, 2020
BabaRamota1980:
Does Enugu town have a king and is it hereditary? If it is, how ancient is it?
Enugu does not even have an Igwe or Eze so I don't know what you are on about.

Have you ever heard of Igwe Enugu or Eze Enugu? I don't think I have. Of course the Ngwo people and Nike may have their traditional rulers. But I have no idea whether they are ancient royal stools or those that were created by the colonial authorities
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 9:24am On Aug 25, 2020
BabaRamota1980:
All dynastic kings were king-priests. In Yorubaland we call Oba a deputy of Orisha.

Whiteman gave you Warrant Officer class II chiefs to rule you. When each region sent traditional rulers to represent it in parliament your WOII Officers were seated with dynastic kings from Yorubaland. You thus copied the ways and protocols of kings. Now you have converted all these WOII chiefs to Kings. Every clan in Iboland now has a Eze.

Your Ezeship are purchased and selected by election, not hereditary.
Some ancient Igbo monarchies are fully hereditary. e.g Nnewi

Some are partially hereditary e.g Nri, in the sense that out of the 4 core Nri lineages, the Agukwu lineage provides the Eze Nris. Within Agukwu, there are a few families that then provide the Eze Nris.

The Eze Nri stool of Oraeri predates the Igala, Ife, Benin stools by many centuries. Oraeri stool is probably as ancient as Igodomigodo

The Eze Nri in Agukwu predates them all. Even the Portuguese explorers and historians of the 1400s authenticated that point, when they mentioned the priest-king to the East of Benin, who to all intents and purposes, was culturally, spiritually and somewhat politically in charge of Benin.

Need I say/write more
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 7:56pm On Aug 24, 2020
IDENNAA:
Na azo onye bu okpala na odudu mana ayi ma na onwenuro mgbe Ndi Enugwu Ukwu mekatalu chie EZE NRI. EZE NRI n'ine echigolu mgbe ochie si Agukwu wee puta. Ife ndi Enugwu Ukwu na eme bu ife ifele...nso ani!
Enugwu-ukwu bu diokpala, mana obu ndi Agukwu na-echi Eze NRI.

Sooso ofu diokpala chinugolu Eze NRI. Afaya bu Nri-Menri. Obunya bu diokpala Eri. Eniliya n'Eriaka di na Aguleri
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 7:30pm On Aug 24, 2020
IDENNAA:
Nwoke Enugwu-Ukwu , afuzilum etu ndi be unu si acho imanye Agukwu- Nri aka n'anya. Fie isaa n'anya !!
Esirom Enugwu-ukwu. Abum onye Enugwu-Agidi.

Ndi Enugwu-ukwu na Agukwu na-akpa nnukwu aghala
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 6:59pm On Aug 24, 2020
BabaRamota1980:
So Nri is a clan? That goes to prove what Basden said. A clan of priests with headquarters in Nri, a small town. If Nri had a king Basden would have pointed it out. Basden pointed out there were kings in Agbor, in Asaba and Onitsha. He lived in Onitsha but travelled around Igboland. If he saw and wrote about the king of Agbor, who he specifically said was a descent of Benin, how could he miss out on a king nearby in Nri?

He even travelled to Arochukwu. So how could he not know if a king was in Nri?
Did Basden write that there was NO king in NRI?. The king that was on the throne when Basden was there was Eze NRI Obalike, who reigned from the late 1800s to 1936. Before him, was Eze NRI Enwelana I.
Eze Nris are seen as priest-kings. Because they are/were kings in a few territories and high priests in others.
Their kingdom is a subset of their priestdom.
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 5:41pm On Aug 24, 2020
BabaRamota1980:
You are starting to claim lands.

All these places you mentioned are within stone throw of one another. They are all collectively the domain of Obi of Onitsha. I already wrote and said there are three ancestral kingdoms in Igboland - Asaba, Onitsha and Idu.

I need to go into history and enumerate for you what Onitsha is.

Idu is Yoruba word, so is Orisha.
Idu is the spot a shrine is built for worship. Orisha is the entity that is worshipped in the Idu. In other words, Idu is the geoposition for a deity worship. The object of the worship is Orisha. Another word Yoruba use for geopositioning of shrine is Oju. There is difference between Idu and Oju. This is not Yoruba thread so I will not go into that detail. Example is popular Ojuelegba in Lagos. The shrine of Elegba.

Ibo lexicon does not have the "ts" sound. Why do you have a town in Iboland called Onitsha? The proper spelling is Onisha.

The only other place you find Idu, beside Yoruba is Benin. Benin of course is an offshoot of Yoruba. The only place you also find Orisha beside Yoruba is Benin and Ishekiri, who call it Orishe.

The town you call Onitsha today is actually an Idu. The migrants from Benin would have had it as Idu something. The settlers met an indigene group on the land. The indigenes corrupted Idu into Onisha. Onisha caught on and remained so till today.

Anywhere in your land you have Isele, Idu, Onisha, are migrants from Benin. All those places remain the domains of King of Onitsha and King of Idu in Igboukwu.

All other kingdoms that if you scream in one they hear you in next kingdom are all superflous and modern day creation. When your invaders and colonial masters arrived they installed authentic kingdoms to rule you - from Asaba, Onitsha and Idu.

Igbo has no King.
You make me laugh. So "ts" is now the anchor of your point

There is ACHALA town in Anambra, which one can as well spell as ATSALA. I even have ACHALA village within my town. So that puts paid to this your line of argument.

Up until the 1960s, it was Nri priests that officiated in the coronation of any Obi of Onitsha. Nowadays, the process is carried out by an Onitsha person whose mother must hail from Nri.

Northcote W. Thomas (1910-1913), the government anthropologist published his work in 1913.

In his book Anthropological Report on the Igbo Speaking Peoples of Nigeria, Part I, he wrote:

"The Eze Nri, or King of Nri town otherwise known as Aguku, is a somewhat striking figure…

He is the spiritual potentate over a large extent of the Ibo country, and so great is the awe which he inspires that recently, when, probably for the first time in history, an Eze Nri entered the native court of Awka while a sitting was going on, the whole assembly rose and prepared to flee.”

So as you can see, Kings have always existed in Nri
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 5:13pm On Aug 24, 2020
BabaRamota1980:
Im going to repost what Basden said and I want you to read it with your own eyes. He said Nri is a town, headquarter for a priest cult. This would mean there are several locations one can find these priests but their central gathering is at a town called Nri. Nri is not a dynasty, it is not a kingship, it is simply a town. This does not mean you could not call sevaral places Nri but you are historically inaccurate to say Nri is a King, son of Gad, as most of you are wont to say. You can call all places these priests exist as Nri-someting, or something-Nri, that will agree with what Basden witnessed and recorded. Basden did not record a king of Nri. He did not say Nri was a kingdom. It was a gathering place for priests that coronated kings in Igboland.
He is in effect saying there are kings in Igboland but Nri is not one of them, instead Nri is a town, a conclave for priests. He separated kings from priests.
As Basden rightly pointed out, the Nri clan is to the east of Onitsha. The seat of Eze Nri is in Agukwu, and from Onitsha, just a 35 minutes drive gets you to the modern Nri town.

I'm sure you know that London is the capital of England. And the monarchs of England mainly stay in London. Also, once one visits Manchester, it can be said the person has visited England.
But imagine a situation, where London, then decides to adopt the name England, it will start seeming as though the queen of England is just the queen of London. The confusion will come up because ENgland was originally the name of a country, but later on, one of the cities within England adopted the name.

That is exactly what happened with Nri town. There was never an Nri town. There was is always an Nri clan. Before they settled for Nri town, it was initially called Agukwu-Nri. Before Agukwu-Nri, it was known as Agukwu, a few hundreds of years ago. It is just too complicated that it will take me many pages of writing to explain the intricacies, but I hope you get the picture.

Now, there was always an Eze Nri. It is today, the oldest royal stool in NIgeria. As I wrote in my previous reply, the Eze Nri was a true king in the Nri clan hundreds of years ago, but was a spiritual and cultural papal figure, in much of Igboland, Igodomigodo, Benin, Igala territories
CultureRe: . by OfoIgbo: 4:48pm On Aug 24, 2020
BabaRamota1980:
Ora Eri is one of the branches the priest cult were found.

All places with prefix-Eri, or prefix-Eri, are branches to Nri, their headquarters. The difference between Eri and Nri is dialectal.

This Eze nonsense was the creation of Warrant Officers by colonial government. This is where you went wild with turning every title to a kingdom.

Igbo enwe Eze!
Oraeri is one of the few Igbo towns with an EZE before the coming of the white man. According to Nri accounts, there were already about 60+ Igbo Ezes/Igwes before the coming of the white man.

But places like Igbo-Ukwu, Enugwu-Agidi(Nri clan), Enugwu-Ukwu(Nri clan) e.t.c. did not have traditional rulers. It was the colonial government that spread that practice throughout every Igbo town.

Just to make a few points clearer, Nri is a clan, the core of which are Enugwu-Ukwu, Enugwu-Agidi, Agukwu and Nawfia. The Eze came from the Agukwu lineage, and the first born lineage is Enugwu-Ukwu.
However, some decades ago, Agukwu and two other non-Nri villages of Akamkpisi and Diodo adopted the name Nri (hence Nri town), much to the chagrin of the other core Nri clan towns, and set off a feud that has lingered on till date. That's majorly why a lot of people are not aware of Nri achievements, but once peace sets in, the Nri clan will do the needful to ensure every Igbo man is abreast of what IGBONESS really is, and what Igbos did in the past.

Back then, the Eze Nri was the political leader of the 4 core Nri towns, and the spiritual/cultural leader of much of Igboland, Igodomigodo, Benin empire, Igala kingdom and maybe some other far flung non-Igbo territories.

Eri was the father of Nri-Menri (the ancestor of the Nris), Agulu (the ancestor of Aguleri), Igbariam e.t.c and his last born male was Onoja (the ancestor of the Igalas who relocated to Idah)

There are villages in Nri towns that have Eri in them such as UmuOkpalaEri in Enugwu-Ukwu, IruKpalaEri in Nawfia. So usually places that have Eri attached to the names will normally have Nri ancestry (e.g Oraeri) or other people descended from Eri (e.g AguluEri, UmulEri)

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