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Atigba:
Idu, Igodomigodo is older than Nri kingdom.

Go and question your historian about his work Prof Njoku, who is a researcher for 4 decades.

Nwokem, Nri is older than both, by many centuries.

Just this past weekend, I was in a chat with an EZE ANI from one of the core Nri towns, and we were talking about origins.
At some point in our conversation, he mentioned that Nri people were running the cultural setup of IGODOMIGODO. He mentioned this, even though I never mentioned the word Igodomigodo. He mentioned it, not even knowing that I already knew about the place.

Of course, he surprised me with that statement, and then I let him know of a debate currently going on. He laughed, and repeated that it was the Nris that ran the cultural setup of the place, and carried on doing that even when the Obas came on board, up until just over a hundred years ago.

These are the sort of people that will know, because when such people say things, they don't hang back to start arguing with you, because his information was passed down from the previous EZE ANI, and the same carries on, for many centuries. The Portuguese records have all but authenticated such people's claims.

One thing I know is that Nris were there, even before Igodomigodo started to exist.

Atigba:
There is no reverse migration.

The Idu children who migrated from Igodomigodo to the east were never in the east and they are not Igbo. Igbo mean Igbon in our language slave, which were used by our Idu children for the Babessi people who are immigrants from Cameroon in the east.

One of your names IBINU. In Igbo IBI NU means "IF Elephantiasis of the scrotum HEARS"

Another of your names ILO OBINU. In Igbo, it means The Way to Bitter Hearts. Basically the Road to Very wicked people

TAO11:
Stop pretending you didn’t know why I shared the video. You know exactly why. You’re only trying desperately to deceive the passive reader who may not bother to check the video at the time-stamp I stated.

You’re trying to deceive the passive reader into thinking that my point was merely about bronzes. No, I am not merely showing you Ife bronze vs Benin bronze

Rather, I am debunking your obviously skewed video emanating from an Edo source. I am debunking the by presenting you with an independent neutral source (BBC/British Museum) which states clearly (from time-stamp 48:22 — 48:38) that:

The Kings of Benin Kingdom of old paid homage to the Ooni of Ife. .

Refer again to the recommended time-stamp of the video one more time (48:22 — 48:38) for a gentle refresher.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI
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Having said that, if you need me to flood here with links to the comments regarding the Ogane I will do so. Please be patient I will do so shortly.

(1) HERE I discussed the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes and the scholarly disclaimers regarding its dates. I also discussed the word “East” in the early account about the Ogane, and this how historical scholarship has come today to identify this personage as none else but the Ooni of Ife.

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But the Benin people have never backed this claim that the Oba of Benin paid homage to Ooni of Ife.
This is just a TV programme, and yet I can guarantee you that, no Benin man has ever told me that their Oba paid homage to the Ooni of Ife.

They have always denied this ever happened. Also, I will like to see the OBSERVER written detail. You mentioned that this was from observers, yet no observer was mentioned. Just one English man stating that Benin people claim that their Oba pays homage to the Ooni.
I will need that Englishman (who definitely wasn't an observer) to quote the anthropological work or OBSERVER he mentioned.
The oba of Benin couldn't be paying homage to two rulers. The ancient Obas of Benin only paid homage to the priest-king in the kingdom to the east of Benin.

Of course, I suspect there may be a relationship between Ife and Benin, owing to the fact that the Edo monarch of Ife sent his son to rule over Benin, according to tales I have heard.

But the king that authorises the crowning of any Oba, was definitely TO THE EAST OF BENIN, according to OBSERVERS. Ample evidence abound that proves that the Nris played prominent roles in the coronation of any Benin oba.

This is yet another Yoruba attempt to dominate the Benin people, otherwise show me the Benin sources that claim that their ancient Obas paid homage to the Oonis.

Mind you also, PAYING HOMAGE is definitely not the same as AUTHORISING THE CORONATION of any Oba or officiating in the coronation of any Oba.

NRI claims (all provable)
1. Obaship candidates paid homage to Eze Nri OBSERVED
2. Obaship candidates sought the blessings and the go-ahead of the Eze OBSERVED
3. Eze Nri had the power to deny or grant Obaship candidates the permission to be Obas OBSERVED
4. Eze Nri was the MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS (which obviously included Benin and Ife) OBSERVED
5. Eze Nri was a priest-king (which tallied with the records of those early explorers from Portugal) OBSERVED
6. Nri was to the EAST OF BENIN (which tallied with the records of those explorers from Portuguese captain and a foremost historian) OBSERVED

IFE claim (not proven as yet)
1. Obas of Benin paid homage to the Ooni of Ife YET TO BE PROVEN, AS BENIN PEOPLE DENY THIS
2. First Oba was a Yoruba man YET TO BE PROVEN, AS BENIN PEOPLE CLAIM HIS FATHER WAS FROM IGODOMIGODO (Nris were the cultural overlords of Igodomigodo btw)

TAO11:
I’ve obviously broken someone’s heart.

Anyways, make sure to “rEpLy” with substantiated established historical conclusions, preferably with academic/scholarly references.

Don’t type up the kinds of unreferenced and unacademic Nollywood scripts & imaginations you’ve put up here and expect that you will earn my attention.
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But to respond to your video, below is an academic commentary from neutral observers (who obviously are neither Edo nor Yoruba) based on early accounts:

Focus specifically on the time-stamp 48:22 — 48:38 for maximum satisfaction.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI

Here we go again, you showing me Ife bronze vs Benin bronze tingz. Both kingdoms can be measuring their d!cks on that topic. They are age mates bronze work-wise. Way younger in bronze art than the Nris whose bronze works date back to the 9th century. I know some historians are saying that the Igbo-Nkwo artworks could be more ancient than the 9th century being ascribed, while others are saying it could more recent.

Those that feel the Igbo-Nkwo works are not that old, in fact say that it could be as late as the 11th century, which is still centuries older than both Benin and Ife works.

I will let you have fun with your Benin empire mates with the Bronze work issue. Of course, I have not come across any Benin person debunking the bronze work claim.
But every other claim Yorubas have made, over Benin have been totally debunked by Benin people.

Americans are learning and enjoying the Nigerian Afro-juju music. That doesn't make Nigeria an older country than the US, nor does it make Nigeria, a more civilised country than the US. US has had greater impact on the world scene than Nigeria, Afro-juju music or not.

Expect my reply soon, to the writeup you sent out some days ago, trying to change EAST to WEST

Bkayyy:
God of mercy, did you just mention arochukwu, abam and ohafia in this your edo and idu joke.
It's like you don't know why ohafia, abam and arochukwu forces came to the northern sphere of Igbo land. No need to educate you, just know that had it been that Edo was closer to southern Igbo land, the head of Oba of Benin will be among the three heads on the tray used in ohafia war dance.
Ask your ancestors the reason why non Igbos don't cross the Niger river. Or better, ask ibibio and ijaws who arochukwu, ohafia and abam are

The history twister was even trying to link Eri and Idu, totally ignoring what the Portuguese reported when they visited Benin in the 1400s. The Benin/Idu/Igodomigodo recognized the Eze Nri as THE MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS. Now Atigba is trying to twist history by claiming that the ancestor of the Edo people, was the father of Eri, the ancestor of the Nris and other major Igbo clans. Iyasikwa

Please read the snippet below....

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

Word.

The addition I will make here is this. Nri priests took a few Awka and Umudioka people who assisted them in their duties.
Awka people will normally be commissioned by the Nri priests to produce ritual objects, which will eventually be dedicated to Chukwu by the Nri priests before they hand over to any deserving individual they are bestowing with a title.

Umudioka people will normally be commissioned by the Nri priests to carry out the facial scarifications of the Mgburu-ichi (the ICHI marks). Nri people are/were not supposed to touch blood as that action will defile them.

So basically for those menial tasks, Nri assembled both Awka and Umudioka people to accompany them in some of their priestly journeys.

Some well known Awka blacksmiths would also tag along in those travelling parties so they can carry out their business in whatever community the priestly party was headed to.

Those Nri priestly travelling parties were highly revered all across Igboland, Igala land and Bini/Igodomigodo land, as Nri priests were highly respected in those territories. That explains why other non-Nri people also joined those parties as that was a guarantee of not being attacked by hostile communities, as would be the case, if one were to travel alone, or with a non-Nri travelling party.

I still intend to reply to TAO11's rubbish of a few days ago, but please watch this Youtube video, as that will keep revealing the attempts by Yorubas to subjugate Benin culturally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWuBgItXKMI&feature=emb_rel_pause

frankdoz:
THE FEAR OF IGBOS BY THE MINORITIES HAS BEEN UNFOUNDED AS PROVEN BY THIS COLONIAL ERA REPORT.

THE WILLINK COMMISSION REPORT OF "1958"

1. “More than 98% of people who inhabit this area (the ‘Igbo Plateau’ of the Eastern region) are Igbo and speak one language, though of course with certain differences of dialect. There are nearly five million of them and they are too many for the soil to support: they are vigorous and intelligent and have pushed outward in every direction, seeking a livelihood by trade or in service in the surrounding areas of the Eastern Region, in the Western Region, in the North and outside Nigeria. They are no more popular with their neighbours than is usual in the case of an energetic and expanding people whose neighbours have a more leisurely outlook on life.”

2. “Though there has been no great kingdom or indigenous culture in the Eastern Region, the coastal chiefs grew on their trade with the (European merchant) ships and they adopted customs, clothing and housing more advanced than those of the peoples of the interior on whom they had at first preyed for slaves. They came during the 19th Century to regard the people of the interior as backward and ignorant, and it was therefore a blow to their pride, as well as to their pockets, when the Ibos began to push outwards into the surrounding fringe of the country and particularly into the Calabar area, to take up land, to grow rich, to own houses and lorries and occupy posts in public services and in the services of large trading firms.”
“It was among the Igbos, formerly despised by the people of Calabar as source of slaves and as a backward people of the interior, now feared and disliked as energetic and educated, that the first political party formed.”

3. “It is important to remember that of this (Ogoja) Province’s 1,082,000 inhabitants, 723,000 are Ibos, almost entirely in Abakaliki and Afikpo (Divisions), while the census classifies 350,000 as “Other Nigerian Tribes.”

4. The Rivers Province …includes the two divisions of Brass and Degema, both overwhelmingly Ijaw, and the Ogoni Division. The former Rivers Division also includes over 300,000 Ibos of whom 250,000 are in Ahoada Division and 45,000 in Port Harcourt. Port Harcourt is a town of recent growth and of rapidly increasing importance; it is built on land that blonged originally to an outlying branch of the Ibo tribe, the Diobus, but is largely inhabited by the Ibos from the interior who have come to trade or seek employment….Of the total 747,000 in the Rivers province, 305,000 are Igbos, 240,000 are Ijaws and 156,000 are Ogonis.”

5. “The strip to the south of the Igbo block, is physically, divided by a block of Igbo territory, tipped by the important Igbo town of Port Harcourt and tribally divided between the Ijaws and the Ogonis.”

6. “In the whole of this non-Igbo area there is present in varying degree some fear of being over-run, commercially and politically, by the Igbos….. if Ahoada and Port Harcourt, which are really Igbo, are considered with the solid centre of Ibo population, there are 54 seats for the Ibo area and 30 for COR (Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers) in (Eastern Regional House of Assembly).”

THE FEARS AND GRIEVANCES OF MINORITIES:
7. “It was suggested (by non-Igbo petitioners) that it was the deliberate object of the Ibo majority in the Region to fill every post with Ibos (in public post and services).….when, however we came to consider specific complaints about the composition of public bodies, we found them in many cases exaggerated or unreasonable.”

8. “The allegation was put forward by counsel (to petitioners) that the Judiciary (when not European) was predominantly Igbo, with the implication that this caused fear among those who are not Ibos. But it was clearly stated in evidence by Dr. Udoma, the leader of UNIP, that no occasion could be adduced of the judiciary acting with partiality. The fact is that the legal profession is largely Igbos and the reasons for this do not seem to be Government action. It is therefore inevitable that there should be an Igbo preponderance among Judges and Magistrates. Further, it is the declared policy of Government that the Judiciary should be federal and this does not indicate a desire to control it. Again, the operation and composition of Public Service Commission here, as in the West, appeared to us in no way open to reproach.”

9. “In the Police, which in this region alone is wholly Federal, the number of Ibos in the higher appointments is not out of proportion to the Ibos in the region. The force is now federally controlled and although there are a large number of Ibos in the lower ranks, this is due to the fact that it has for long been a tradition among the Ibos to offer themselves for recruitment in this force in far greater numbers than any other tribe.”

10. “we noted that in five years, 1952 – 1957, from a total of 412 secondary scholarships, 216 were awarded to persons living in the COR areas, while the figures for post-secondary scholarships were 211 out of 623. The latter is about the right proportion of one-third, the former considerably in excess. It was suggested that scholarships awarded to non-Ibos were of an inferior kind and that the best scholarships went to Ibos, but we were, unable to see that this claim held any validity. On the evidence before us, we conclude that the allegations of discriminations in the matter of scholarships are unjustified.”

11. “It was further suggested that loans by the Eastern Regional Finance Corporation, the Eastern Region Development Board, and the Eastern Region Development Corporation were made with some degree of preference to Ibos. It did appear that most of the loans made by these bodies were to Ibos, but that is not to say that this was necessarily improper. Ibos constitute two thirds of the population of the region and have a bigger share of financial and commercial responsibility than their numbers warrant.”

12. “That there should be modern streetlight in Onitsha, and not Calabar, was also quoted as example of discrimination; it proved however that Onitsha Urban District Council had financed this measure from their own resources.”

13. “The question of land was repeatedly raised, it being resented by the Efiks and Ibibios that the Igbos should acquire land at all in their territory while the methods by which it was obtained were also questioned. There is no doubt that on the Igbo Plateau there is insufficient land for the people and the Igbos are thrusting outwards where possible they acquire land and use it either for cultivation or building…..This is a matter which will require legislation sooner or later and it will be delicate to handle, but the economic process is in itself healthy and we had little sympathy with a witness who remarked that there is much undeveloped land in the district and he was anxious that it should not fall into the hand of the Igbos… We believe that Governments in Nigeria should be careful not to try to protect minorities by introducing measures that would restrict development and progress.

N/B: IKWERRE, ETCHE, EKPEYE, OPOPO, IBANI(BONNY),URATTA,OGBA, NDOKI ARE ALL INDIGINEOUS IGBO EXTRACTION IN RIVERS STATE(RIVERS IGBOS).BEFORE INDEPENDENCE THERE WAS NO IDENTITY CRISIS AMONG THEM.THIS IS WILLINKS COMMISSION REPORT TO QUEEN OF ENGLAND 1958.

Ibani people are NOT Igbos. But UBANI people are Igbos.

Ibani people came from Brass and settled in Ubani land in the 19th century and onwards

meekme:
No biggy.. our bubu would do the same

Bubu will jump in and drown them

TAO11:
As it is shown clearly, the Binis themselves (without any Yoruba pointing a gun at their head) informed the British captain that their first King (Eweka1) was a Yoruba man from Ife.

— Captain Roupll’s Officials quoted in H. Ling Roth (1903), p.7.

Why is it that the only time Benin people wholeheartedly accept Ife supremacy over Benin is when it's being reported by a third party.

Whenever Benin people are detailing this part of their history, on a first person basis, they always make it clear what it is.

I want you to show me a recorded programme where any of the obas of Benin admitted that Ife's superior to Benin.

Anyway, just to burst this your bubble yet again, listen to this, and pay particular attention to 12:50 - 13:05 and hear what the Benin people are saying. I have heard the same from several authentic Benin sources also


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAQh7mTaAjc

LegendHero:
In addition to what TAO said above, the image attached is the the Conference of Yoruba Chiefs 1937 Proceedings:

It showed the cover page, page1, and page 2.

This was majorly why the Benin oba was at the forefront of seeking the establishment of a Midwestern state, because Yorubas sought to dominate everything because of their population.

I can guarantee that the Benin oba had no hand in branding himself a Yoruba. The Willink commission report properly detailed the Yoruba treatment of the western minorities.

So I am not surprised that the Yoruba Obas who were many, ensured that the Benin oba was buried in a sea of Yoruba rulers.

The Benin people properly spoke their mind, by leaving the western region and asserting their true identity.

No Benin oba has ever told us he's under the OONI, who's even of Benin ancestry

LegendHero:
You are saying rubbish and the video you posted was baseless in the first place.

What are you trying to prove with the video? It is just one uninformed narrator claiming Oba of Benin is greater in rank than Ooni without any fact and he was clearly roasted in the comment section.

I was expecting to see evidence to show Oba of Benin was greater but the video turned out to be the usual nonsense from uninformed people without any proof or reference to how he came about his claim.

All I just showed you was the hierarchy in place in the picture of 1937. You can clearly see that the Oni was in the middle as the highest in rank among the Yoruba Obas and the Oba of Benin was equally seated in the picture. At least they never used rope to drag Oba of Benin to be part of the sitting and he clearly understood what the gathering was all about.

I showed you pictures to back the claim while you showed the video of a narrator saying rubbish.

It was just a picture of those that addressed themselves as Obas (which btw, is originally an NRI title) in the western region.
The oba Benin has spoken. True Benin people have spoken in both videos. The Ooni was a Benin prince that was sentenced to death. Alaafin was also a Benin man.
Both thrones should really be paying homage to Oba Benin, just the same way the ancient Obas used to pay homage to the ruler of THE KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN, NRI.
The Ooni and the Alaafin's ancestors are from Benin.

The Oba, Ooni and Alaafin in order of seniority, should resume paying homage to the Eze NRI. What do you all think?

LegendHero:
The video is just nonsense. The second video showed the narrator is just one uninformed propagandist saying rubbish.

You can check the comment section of the video, he was roasted on the comment section.

The below is 1937 showing the pictures of all Yoruba Obas with the governor of Nigeria. Oba of Benin was also included in the Yoruba Obas and you can see him seated.

At the centre is Ooni Aderemi, to his left is Oba Akenzua of Benin and Alake of Egbaland Oba Ademola. To Ooni’s right, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Oladigbolu and Oba Adesanya Gbelegbuwa the Awujale of Ijebu Ode. The white man in the picture is the Governor of Nigeria.

Meaningless response. The Benin oba has spoken. And proper Benin people have spoken.

Both the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo were originally from Benin and definitely not greater than the Benin oba.

I haven't sent in my reply. Once I do, you will be in no doubt as to who the Portuguese explorers were referring to.

Oba Benin will never challenge Eze NRI, as he properly told us how the OONI came to be.

Please still wait for my reply to TAO11. I want to lecture you guys, so you will stop spilling trash all around

TAO11:
A gentle reminder below:

Monday work responsibilities have sabotaged my attempt to put together a reply.

However, as you and the other people wait for my reply. Please listen to what Benin people are saying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFuOlZSfM4

Please also watch the one below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAQh7mTaAjc

Please learn your history and how Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo and Oba of Benin are ranked

oostin:
The same Anambra state where Emeka Offor pretty much single-handedly installed Mbadinuju as Governor and Chris Uba installed Chris Ngige as Governor?

Obiano was also the anointed candidate of Peter Obi who pulled him out of Fidelity Bank. Peter Obi is the only one who didn't have a godfather.

The sad truth is that every state in Nigeria has its own godfathers. It's quite unfortunate but that's the way Nigerian politics is run.

Even Obaseki who keeps saying that Edo is not Lagos would also seek to install his own candidate as Governor if he wins the election in September.

He would refuse to hand over to Shuaibu because he would want someone he can control.

That's the way of Nigerian politics and no state is an exception.

Every godfather in Anambra ended up either disgraced by his godson, or his godson, removed from government. That is the point I am making.

Everything you wrote above totally proved my point.

Anambra is not Lagos or Edo.

Arthur Eze should understand that Anambra is not Lagos or Edo.

Anambra is something else. In spite of all his money, and in spite of the fact that he's seemingly speaking in favour of the Anambra traditional rulers, he only managed to get just a few of them on his side, and I am sure a number of them are even turning away from him.

Even if Arthur wants, he can install Trump and the UK prime minister. That will not move Anambrarians into kissing his ass. That is the sort of politics he can play in Lagos. He wants to be the JAGABANdit of Anambra. Iyasikwa

OBJ tried to put Anambra in his pocket, and Anambra immediately went for his d!ck. Chris Ubah tried his bit in collusion with OBJ and still failed.
Buhari took a look into Anambra in 2017, saw the impossibility of pocketing Anambra, and rather fought to secure second place for APC. He was very happy with that result. Anambra is a no-go area for moneybags and dictators.

Thanks to Ikemba Nnewi who helped to massively fortify Anambra before he left to be with the Lord. Ikemba's efforts is the reason why Anambra will always be likely to elect the leaders that the people want. In 2021, people like Soludo and Maduka, will be the hot cakes for the gubernatorial seat. And there is nothing moneybags like Arthur Eze will be able to do about it. He can double what he gave Tony Nwoye the last time. It will make no atom of difference. He can relocate to Lagos if he wants.

Please we will like to read the part of the report that dealt with Western Nigeria.

I need to compare the WN findings with the EN findings

BabaRamota1980:
The portuguese and dutch that visited Benin were not historians and they were not anthropologists nor archeologists, they were merchants and came for trade. They chronicled their observations.

The information triggered interest in the academic circle. Explorers began to piece together various accounts published by merchants and sailors across kingdoms and empires of Africa and set to out to investigate.

I wanted to head straight to deal with the issues raised by TAO11 yesterday, but today I noticed that you and UdechiHD were (and still are) on my way, and I believe it is civil to deal with your own points fairly, before I tackle the gross inaccuracies of TAO11's writings.

Joao de Barros that interpreted this Benin report was a HISTORIAN, and he rightly noted down that the kingdom of interest, was to the EAST OF BENIN KINGDOM. Joao de Barros was one of the greatest Portuguese historians, and very highly respected in Portugal for the various historical points he put down before he passed on.

Two OBSERVING entities noted that this kingdom was to the EAST OF BENIN. These two personalities were none other than
1. Ambassador of the Oba of Benin (obviously a Benin man, with the knowledge of Benin customs)
2. Joao Afonso d Aveiro, the Portuguese expedition leader (an accomplished sailor), who got his information from inhabitants of Benin, and not really from the Benin Ambassador.

So basically, there was on the one hand, a high-ranking Benin man and on the other hand, an accomplished sailor and leader of the expedition and a Portuguese, with full knowledge of his cardinal points.

Both the Benin ambassador and the INHABITANTS of Benin, were claiming that this kingdom of interest, was to the EAST OF BENIN.

Both entities, clearly declaring that the kingdom of interest was to the EAST of BENIN.

Now these facts and observations (NOT HISTORY at this point) were then recorded by one of the greatest Portuguese historians a few years later, but within the lifetime of some of those that observed this practice.

So in spite of this overwhelming evidence given by OBSERVERS of the Oba Coronation practice (not historians), what attempt was made by Knobler and his enabling Yoruba revisionist historians to investigate and learn more about the kingdom to the east of Benin.

The name OGANE could easily be the alias of an Eze Nri. It could also be UGANI (if there was hunger around the time of his crowning). It could be OGENE, the gong. It could be OKE-ANI, great land.

None of the OBSERVERS mentioned WEST.

So it is very clear that BENIN citizens who were OBSERVERS of this custom, mentioned a KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN, yet Yoruba-enabled researchers don't want to look into it.

Ofoigbo, my first question to you here is, why didn't any scholar leave Benin to come to Nri for follow up? Why didn't Egharevba mention Nri?

You should be asking Knobler and his sources the same question. How come in spite of the many reports the early Portuguese explorers got as to the easterly direction of the kingdom of interest, how come they didn't visit the east.
All the LOCAL historians' works TAO posted here, as the resources that Knobler referenced, they were all Yorubas. No Benin historian of note was referenced. No Nri/Igbo historian of note was referenced, so why are we surprised at Knobler's eventual findings? Of course, they had to morph EAST to WEST, amongst the other historical abracadabras they had to carry out to make it seem authentic.

Ofoigbo, second question, why didn't colonial administrator connect Benin to Nri even when Asaba and its environs are Ibo speaking people? Why didn't Oba of Benin correct them and insist to be grouped with his ancestral place in Nri?

THe Benin empire was not the Nigerian colonial master, so even if he thought of that, his opinion wouldn't have meant much anyway, but that is by the way.

Ogoni land was not under Nri influence, but it was also placed in the eastern region. Why didn't the Ogoni leaders inform the British of that little mistake.
Calabar and Akwa Ibom area were not under Nri influence (unless they are using the same Igbo market days, which I doubt), but they were placed in the eastern region.

So your above question in null and void, with regards to this topic.

Ofoigbo, here is my third question, the title of Benin monarch is Omo n'Oba. Does this mean anything in Nri?

I am of the opinion that Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo, are Benin phrases.
Anyway to answer your question. From the Igbo that I speak OMO is equivalent to UMU, the only difference being that OMO is singular. So I will say that Omo n'Oba n'Edo means in this case The Edo Oba's son or The Son of the Oba in Edo

Now my question to you is this. What does Uku Akpolokpolo mean in Ife's Yoruba.

To end, The Portuguese exploration happened in the 1400s, centuries before Aro came into being, so we all know that Nri's the kingdom being referred to. The 4 market days still belong to Umu Nri and to no other clan, including Aro.

By the way, Nris also own the alusi ARO another deity dedicated to the IGBO YEAR. Never mistake it with the ARO clan

UdechiHD:
Nigga did you just utter this trash. I was just watching you and the Yoruba’s dance naked in public. But never you say this trash, tupu egbe eli gwe gba gbuo gi ebe ahu.
OfoIgbo aka Nripriest, Idenna. Nri is among the youngest clans in Igboland. Face your Yoruba fighters, before you foolishly pour sand into this food you’ve been cooking. You’ve got Legenhero and TAO the two Ife champions out to grab Bini influence and you an Nri son doing the same. Pick your fight wisely anuofia.

Which Nri sphere of influence? Is it the Nri that had to borrow culture from the Umudiana after the Igala push you guys away from the middlebelt or another. Are you sure you want this trouble?

Because of the calm nature of Nri, Igboland now crawls with history twisters, who are themselves jealous of Nri. UdechiHD seems to be one of such people.
The clan UdechiHD is fronting for, never added anything to Igbo civilization. He probably comes from the sort of clans that the Benin empire or the Ife kingdom would have made a minced meat out of, for total lack of contribution to Igbo culture, but so painfully jealous of Nri contribution.

UdechiHD, where are you from? Don't be shy. Tell everyone where you are from, let us investigate their contribution. While you are busy summoning up courage to challenge Nri......Below is some interesting information I found in IGALA NETWORK on facebook a while back. It was written by an officer of the Igala Kingdom, who goes by the name Alhaji Enemaduku Agono. Read and weep. See the reverence he assigned to Nri in his writing of a brief history of the relationship between the Igala and the Igbo.

This also goes to all these historical Lilliputians that litter nairaland


History line...
THE BOND BETWEEN THE IGALA AND IGBO ETHNIC
NATIONALITIES OF NIGERIA - SOME HISTORICAL FACTS.
Igala are an ethnic group of Nigeria situated east of the river Niger and Benue confluence and astride the
Niger in Lokoja. Their religious practice is broadly Christianity and Islam, with, of course, some sketches of
African religion, all of which do not in any way affect their interpersonal relationship as it is common to
see in a family in Igalaland where either the Father is a Muslim and Mother a Christian or Parents are
Muslims and Children are Christians or vice-versa, yet all relate amicably well in all ramifications.
The Igala population is estimated at about 4million and overflow to outside their home base to regions like
Anambra, Delta, Edo and Enugu States, with strong traditional base, and now in ABIA State of Nigeria as
partners for progress. The Igala language is part of the Eastern Kwa sub group or the West Benue-Congo
subgroup of the Niger-Congo language family where the Igbo also belong, depending on the school of
thought of the observer. The traditional Igala society is largely agrarian, although fishing is also a
mainstay of the people especially the Igalas of the riverine Idah area. The Igala are identified by the old
oral tradition of Western Igbo as descendants of Igbo migrants who migrated westward during the
expansion of the proto-Igbo peoples at the beginning of the 1st millennium.
The central geographical location of the Igala people has exposed them to a wide variety of linguistic as
well as cultural influences from other ethnic groups in the country. Notable among these are the Bini, the
Igbo, the Hausa, their closest sisters-Idoma and the Yoruba ethnic groups. They are ruled by a father
figure called the Attah. The word Attah means 'Father' and the full title of the ruler is 'Attah Igala',
meaning, the Father of Igala. Among the most revered Attahs of the Igala kingdom are Attah Ayegba Oma
Idoko and Atta Ameh Oboni.
According to oral tradition, Attah Ayegba Oma Idoko offered his most beloved daughter, Inikpi to ensure
that the Igalas win a war of liberation from the Jukuns' dominance while Attah Ameh Oboni was known to
be very brave and resolute and revered for his stiff resistance of the British and his struggles to uphold
some ancient traditions of the Igalas. When he got wind of a plan to depose and exile him by the British,
he committed suicide by hanging himself to forestall the plan; for this and other numerous exploits
recorded in his time, he is regarded by most Igalas as the last real traditional Attah Igala. The present
Atta is His Royal Highness, Atta Aliyu Ocheja Obaje, a well read, intelligent and well respected Father. The
Igala word for King is Onu, one of which has gathered us here today to honour some deserving people, the
Onu Igala Abia state, his highness, Alhaji Usman Mohammed.
To divorce the Igala influence from the modern Igbo cultural evolution would be a travesty of history. The
evidence of the cross cultural mix appears to be genuine. According to several sources, Igbo people
evolved over a long period of 4000 BC to 500 AD in Igbo land through waves of migrations. Oral accounts
stated that her northern neighbours migrated into her heartland in search of fertile land and rich marine
life. The majority of which were the Igalas. The Igalas settled amongst the locals east of the Niger,
altering the historiography of many towns in today's Anambra state and parts of the present Oshimmili
Local Government in Delta state.
For instance in Anambra state, there are traces of Igala history in some communities of the Local
Government councils of the state such as - Ayamelum, Ihiala, Oyi, Awka North/South, Aniocha, Dunukofia,
Onitsha North/South, Ogbaru, Anambra East/West and Njikoka. The migration did not only affect the area
known today as Anambra state, a sizeable portion of Enugu state's communities have Igala ancestry as
well. Thus, it would be right to call it a reverse migration, occurring about eight hundred years after which
Eri was reported to have founded the modern Igbo nation with its set of unique religious doctrine. It was
also a period one of his sons, Onoja, was said to have departed northwards and founded the Igala land.
Eri's children were listed as Nri-Ifikuanim Menri, Agulu, ONOJA, Ogbodudu, Onogu and his only daughter,
Iguedo. Together and respectively, his off-springs were instrumental to founding the towns of Aguleri,
Igbariam, Ogbunike, Nando, Nri, Enugu-Ukwu, Nteje, Enugu-Agidi, and so many other settlements in the
East and West of the Niger. From the foregoing and other numerous historical facts, it is indeed difficult to
draw a line between the Igbo and Igala history.
However, according to P.E. OKWOLI, a native Igalaman, and renowned historian, in the ancient times, new
rulers from the Igbo communities of Igala ancestry must go to Igala to be taught kingship rituals and
ceremonials. Although he mentioned that Igala and Umueri towns are related, Umueri needed not to go to
Igala for any sort of tutelage. An exemption that might explain Nri-Ifikuanim and Agulu's seniority to their
younger brother Onoja, the founder of Igala.
P.E. Okwoli stated inter-alia some binding revelations that "In Nsukka and the rest of Igbo land, there is a
popular masquerade called Agabaidu, and this is a significant cultural point. In Nsukka, the word Agabidu
is used to refer to an eminent man, while it is used to refer to a King in Igala. Also Asadu is the word for
kingmaker among the Igbo, while it is called Achadu among the Igala. There are some other words which
are signs of close cultural ties shared by both Igala and the Igbo. These include Atama, which means
Chief Priest in both languages. Ajogwu means warrior among the Igala and the Igbo" Both the Igbo and
Igala have four market days which are – EKE, ORIE, AFOR & NKWO in Igbo and EKE, EDE, AFOR & UKWO in
Igala seriatim. What more can be more binding! Is it that we both eat OSIKAPA as rice, ABACHA as
cassava, EGWA/AGWA as beans, store our clothing in AKPATI called box or that the names - Okolo, Oji,
Okwoli, Akoh, Odiba, etc in Igala are called Okoro, Orji, Okoli, Akor and Odida in Igbo? What is more
important is that we are today celebrating togetherness.
Long live Ndigbo, long live Igalas and long live Nigeria.
Thank you all for the attention and God bless us all!!!
AGONO, Enemaduku, OIK.
(OFFICER of the IGALA KINGDOM)
28th November, 2010.

https://www.facebook.com/IgalaNetwork/posts/231471077021733

Hellraiser77:
Nigg why you trying to prove a point by duping your opponents.....This link doesn't have any Ebook yet you posted it here to try to dupe us

Cc ofoigbo gwafaeziokwu letu please open the above link and see if you find anything , This guy is a clown

Don't worry guys. I only have access to my mobile device. Tomorrow I will have access to my laptop to obliterate every single point TAO11and the rest, have been feeding the unsuspecting public.

I just feel sorry for the Benin people who are constantly at the receiving end of constant barrage of Yoruba history falsification.

LegendHero:
Do you know the Yorubas have the 4 days week system as our ancient calendar called Kojoda?

The old Yoruba calendar is 4days week and we only came to adopt the normal 7 days week of Aiku, Aje, Isegun, Ojoru, Ojobo, eti, and abameta due to the influence of the Europeans.

A Yoruba Kojoda calendar year (Kojoda) which starts on what is 3rd of June of a Gregorian calendar to the 2nd of June of the next Greogrian year has 91 weeks with each week having four days. So let us talk about the Yoruba week. The four days are:

OJO OGUN: The Yorubas count these four days of the week starting from Ojo Ogun (Day of Ogun, the god of iron). Ojo Ogun is the first day of traditional Yoruba week and it is the day when the Ologun or the worshippers and devotees of Ogun worship this particular deity. On Ojo Ogun, the Ologuns worship and celebrate with various food items that are considered to be the favourite of Ogun. These include ekuru (a kind of steamed bean pudding), ewa (beans) and iyan (pounded yam). However, the most important item of sacrifice on Ojo Ogun is the dog. Since Ogun like balanced diet, it looks like Ojo Ogun will be my own favourite day of the week o. By the way, in some other parts of Yorubaland, it is also called Ojo Osoosi, named after another god, Osoosi, who is regarded as the brother of Ogun and Sango.

OJO JAKUTA: After Ojo Ogun comes the second day of the week. Ojo Jakuta is also called Ojo Sango. Sango is the Yoruba god of thunder, lightning and (electricity). The day in some parts of Yorubaland is called Ojo Oya. On this day dedicated to Sango, his worshippers stream out wearing bright red and white attires as those are Sango’s favourite colours and they do the worship by presenting edible items like amala with gbegiri soup, bitter cola and guguru (pop corn). For Sango, the most important sacrificial animal is the ram. I think I will decamp to Ojo Jakuta. Jakuta means ‘Someone Who Fought With Stones’.

OJO OSE: This is the third day and it is set aside for the worship of Orisha Nla (The Great Deity). The favourite food item used for this day is the ake beef but snails are also used for the sacrifices. On this special day, all the worshippers of Orisha Nla wear white garments and clean all their houses and environs. This same day can be dedicated to the worship of Obatala, Sonponna (god of small pox), Iyaami (the Mothers or Great Witches) and the Egungun (Masquerades).

OJO AWO: Ojo Awo (Day of the Deity) is the day set aside for Ifa (Oracle) and just like Orisha Nla, Ifa also prefers delicacies made from the ake beef. This same day can also be dedicated for the worship of Esu, Osun and Orunmila.

With the above writeup from you, you have just categorically proven that Ife never had any hands in the crowning of any Benin Oba.

Every single Yoruba market day that you mentioned, is different from any of the Nri days which are also DEITIES. You don't consult deities by calling them a name that is not the deity's,

There's no way in heaven and on earth, a Yoruba priest can play a part in the dedication of a Benin king referring to deities that are not honoured by the would-be king..

The Igbo market days are the same as the Benin market days, and the Nris own the deities behind those market days, so already there's a spiritual common ground between the Nri Igbo and the Benin, making such dedications very compatible. I can guarantee you this, that the difference in days/deities automatically disqualifies any Ooni of Ife.

Do Yorubas perform Kolanut rituals like the Igbos or Bini people?

As far as I am concerned, all the Igweships that developed from the warrant chief system should be scrapped.

Only the igwes, obis and ezes that were around before the coming of the white man should remain. This will drastically curtail rascality, and igwes acting like little kids, and apologising like boy-boys.

And these royalties should be funded by the communities they preside over, not by the government. That will weed out some unnecessary royal households, and streamline the institution, and pump in the needed dignity that such institutions deserve.

Iguaro Nri: Igbo marks lunar calendar 2020 ON FEBRUARY 9, 202011:0

By Chris Onuoha

The acclaimed ancestral home of Ndigbo, Nri Kingdom in Anaocha, Anambra State will on Saturday February 15 usher in the start of Igbo lunar calendar year 2020 in a carnival-like festival as declared by Eze Nri palace. In a statement made available to Vanguard and signed by OkpalaEze na Nri, Prince Chukwuemeka Onyesoh, announcing the ‘2020 Iguaro festival said, “The days of the Igbo week, ‘Iguaro’ is the ritual proclamation of Igbo lunar calendar by Eze Nri (king of Nri) in Anambra State performed yearly, for the Igbo Nation over the past 1019 years, as the founder of Igbo days of “Eke, Oye, Afo and Nkwo” (all deities) which determine the “Izu” (4-day week) that add up to the “Onwa” (7 native weeks in a month) that yield the ” Aro” (year of 13 lunar months) in Igbo land. “Aro is another deity by itself, again controlled by Eze Nri. Aro has shrines in Nri.

Anthropologists detailed how the four supernaturals (otherwise deities) of market days, were revealed to Eze Nri who now control them. The Igbo four market days and 13 lunar months, ‘Aro’ are thus, deities,” Onyesoh stated. This was also revealed by one of Nigeria’s foremost Igbo Anthropologist, Prof. Onwuejeogwu who in his various anthropological researches & publications provided elaborate details of these facts. He disclosed that ‘Iguaro Eze Nri’ used to be the biggest festival in Igbo land, performed in the palace of Eze Nri by Eze Nri, dating from 900AD. And that the Onitsha people in 1750 AD introduced ‘Ofala’: a festival very similar to Nri yam festival of ‘Onwasato’ celebrated in the 8th month of the Igbo year, when Onitsha was founded. Onwuejeogwu in one of his publication, “An Igbo Civilisation: Nri Kingdom and Hegemony” (1981), graphically shows the proclamation of Igbo New Year as one of the ten mystical powers of Eze Nri. Speaking on the concept of the year deriving from 13 lunar months, Prince Onyesoh noted; “Before the British liquidation in August 1911, Nri had developed its concept of “Aro” – the year.

As earlier stated, “Aro” is a supernatural force revealed to Eze Nri in the past; then Nri transformed it into a cycle of one year. “Aro” is divided into thirteen segments, namely: ‘Onwa Agumaro’, usually falls around mid February of the Gregorian calendar. This is the month for the proclamation of the beginning of the Igbo lunar calendar by Eze Nri for all Igbo. It is followed by ‘Onwa Mbu, Onwa Abuo, Onwa Ife Eke, Onwa Ano, Onwa Agwu, Onwa Ifejioku, Onwa Iliji, Onwa Ilommuo “Onwasato”, Onwa Ana, Onwa Okike, Onwa Ajana na Edeaja, Onwa Uzo Alusi.’ “The lunar system of calculating the year with a system of adjustment, were known to the Nri priests of Alusi Aro. Knowledge of the movement of the heavenly bodies was employed. Northcote Thomas (MA, FRAI) the colonial government anthropologist in 1910, identified and reported that he got “names for the following heavenly bodies at Agukwu, Nri: “Pleiades, Orion and Great Bera”. Nri elders had clear knowledge of these stars and others, which helped them in calculating the intervals between each lunar period and finding the directions during their sojourn from one Igbo-village to another in both the semi-forest and forest zones.” Explaining further on the proclamation of the Igbo lunar calendar – “Iguaro” Onyesoh stated, “As previously stated, the annual proclamation of the Igbo lunar calendar is the exclusive function Eze Nri. It starts from the Igbo native week of four market days to ‘onwa’ made up of seven native weeks which amounts to 28 days and to Aro of 13 Onwa (month). ‘Onwa’ is a moon cycle tracked by observing the movement of the moon; thirteen of which make one Igbo lunar year.

The proclamation invariably falls mid-February of every year, similar to the Chinese lunar calendar for which the Chinese celebrate and shut down for close to one month. According to him, the Igbo, unlike the Chinese who share similar lunar cycle with the Igbo, are subject people controlled by alien government and faith. READ ALSO: 50 years after the Nigerian Civil War (1) They cannot take out a week or month to celebrate the beginning of their ancestral lunar Calendar, like the Chinese, but Igbos like before the 1911 destruction of Igbo values at Nri by the Christian missionaries and the colonial authorities, and as the Western world celebrate the Gregorian New Year every first January, can at least devote a day to reenact their past and celebrate the centrality of their cultural values. The Gregorian calendar was founded by Pope Gregory XIII in October 1582.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/02/iguaro-nri-igbo-marks-lunar-calendar-2020/

letu:
BaBaRamota this your particular post ended up proving OfoIgbo to be right in what his been saying since. Interesting, so Nwannem Nwokoh OfoIgbo have been right all this time , Nwannam my Igbo brother OfoIgbo keep up the good work.

Nwune, deeje daalu. I just wanna show them a little Igbo cultural fang.

The Yorubas especially, are so used to falsifying history

BabaRamota1980:
Nna, where do you think kolanuts come from, nsugbe?

Ibo culture lacks the virtue, lacks the history, to stand alone and explain itself without using the examples of others or attaching to them. Just kolanut, you have to go find yourself in Benin.

This is how you have accumulated of bullshyyt and call it history.

Hey guys, look, Benin eats kolanut, we eat it too.

Hey, check this out, Yoruba had bronze heads, we do too.

You build your empty history with association with those whose past is filled with conquest.

I dare you to stand your history on its own feet and see if it will not collapse.

No one is talking about eating kolanut. Possibly every Nigerian community eats it.

The question is whether Yorubas perform Kolanut rituals, and I have never seen any epic Yoruba nollywood film where Yoruba elders perform the Kolanut blessing and breaking. So I have good reason to assume that Yorubas don't perform Kolanut rituals.

If Yorubas don't perform the Kolanut ritual and don't use the 4 NRI market days/deities, then I have enough probable cause, to claim that no Yoruba monarch or priest has ever played any role in the crowning of any Benin oba.

So far, we have established that EAST is EAST, and DISTANCE is DISTANCE.

Prof. Afigbo, Jeffrey's and Lawton have accurately identified the Nris as having cultural responsibilities towards Benin. Knobler has been identified as a quack historian, or a bad historian at best

TAO11:
No, west is not east. Rather, Ife is known in ancient times by the religious epithet of “East” — the place from where the sun rises. This is well established.

I understand your frustrations though. I would also feel extremely ashamed and frustrated if I was Igbo.

The Portuguese who described the direction of the kingdom mentioned EAST, and they were not being metaphorical in their description of the direction, otherwise they wouldn't have gone on to give the direction, THE DISTANCE and how HOW LONG IT TOOK to embark on that journey to the eastern kingdom.
Or are you also trying to falsely claim that the DISTANCE was another metaphorical word. Please explain.

Your fraud is so glaring for all to see..

How come modern Benin traditional authorities always deny any Ife cultural overlordship links, but have never denied NRI cultural overlordship links.
I challenge you to present one Benin oba or Benin custodian of tradition of any Benin oba-endorsed writing in which they publicly denied NRI cultural or spiritual overlordship.

Benin Obas constantly deny the Ife cultural overlordship.

Hellraiser77:
Which age exactly did yeroba occupy lokoja? ....Mr clown

These Portuguese were explorers, who obviously knew their EAST from WEST.

Lokoja is towards the northeasterly direction. And who was that YORUBA king in Lokoja who was greater than the Ooni of Ife?
Their theory falls flat on this one.

NRI is to the EAST OF BENIN. And Afigbo confirmed that NRI priests played huge roles in the Coronation of Oba Benin and Attah of Igala, whose territory was in nearer to your fabled Lokoja. Why didn't their nonexistent audio Yoruba king in Lokoja, also crown the Attah.

letu:
You mean Eze Nri was only supreme over Igbo's leaving within the Omanbala River or region.

Any place that observed the 4 Nri market days, were obviously within the Nri sphere of influence. Both Benin and Igala observed those 4 market days. The same goes with the majority of Igbo areas.

Anywhere names such as Okoye, Okoroafor, Nwankwo and Mgbeke e.t.c are used, before the coming of the white man, were areas under Nri influence. An appreciable chunk of Igboland had such names.
So every area in the Omambala axis were was under Nri hegemony, including Aguleri that is currently trying to rewrite Igbo history and culture. Nri will descend on them, when the time comes. These are the people that are doing their best to skew Igbo history and culture and make Igbos look cheap, just like the Ikwerres and Ogba are doing.

BabaRamota1980:
The incident reported as oghene in East was chronicled on the submission by a Portuguese man who was with the Oba when he rose to offer prayer and adulation to his ancestors in Ife. The ritual observed was that thr Oba faced looked out the window facing East, the Sun.
If the Sun rose from South, he would have faced South. So separate the act of veneration from the ritual of worship.

When muslims in Benin pray they face East where Sun rises. Same protocol. Abi Mohammed is an Iboman?


Cc
Tao11
Minorityopinion
Legendhero
Metaphysical

Which oba? Be specific. The Portuguese visited when Ewuare the first, was on the throne. They also visited when Oba Ozolua was on the throne. Be specific so I can tackle the points you are trying to make.

Meanwhile.........

“If, as has been suggested, Nri theocratic sway could be identified with the culture whose material symbols Shaw recovered in his Igbo-Ukwu excavations, then that factor must be dated to between the 9th and 11th century A.D. or indeed earlier. In that case, Nri influence would be much older than the political and military hegemony centered around Benin and Idah. It may indeed have contributed something to their rise. There are suggestions of this in the tradition, found not only amongst the Nri but also amongst the Bini and the Igala that Nri ritual priests had important parts to play in ceremonies connected with the coronation of the Oba of Benin and the Attah of Igala. Both Jeffreys and Lawton, administrative officers, unearthed evidence to this effect. Thus, it would appear, Nri activities linked much of Igbo-land with the West Niger region up to Benin, and with the region occupied by the Igala and perhaps it also linked Igboland with Idoma land. Many of these links survived, at least, until the 1930s and may still be there in form of the activities of Nri and related traditional medicine man.”

Afigbo 1987

The paragraph above tallied perfectly with the notes of the visiting Portuguese explorers of the 1400s. The Kingdom to the east of Benin, that was the cultural and spiritual overlord of Benin. This is undoubtedly, my clan NRI

SW almajiris, is TAO11 the best you guys can do? The little girl has been hurt so badly with this Prof. Afigbo cactus d!ldo.

I repeat once again that NRI JI OFO and NRI BU ISI IGBO

TAO11:
Lol. I perfectly understand how you feel.

But my job to present fact in an ocean of confusion is verifiably done .

Unsuccessfully, I might add.

As you retire for the evening, Please go through this one more time, for the road

”If, as has been suggested, Nri theocratic sway could be identified with the culture whose material symbols Shaw recovered in his Igbo-Ukwu excavations, then that factor must be dated to between the 9th and 11th century A.D. or indeed earlier. In that case, Nri influence would be much older than the political and military hegemony centered around Benin and Idah. It may indeed have contributed something to their rise. There are suggestions of this in the tradition, found not only amongst the Nri but also amongst the Bini and the Igala that Nri ritual priests had important parts to play in ceremonies connected with the coronation of the Oba of Benin and the Attah of Igala. Both Jeffreys and Lawton, administrative officers, unearthed evidence to this effect. Thus, it would appear, Nri activities linked much of Igbo-land with the West Niger region up to Benin, and with the region occupied by the Igala and perhaps it also linked Igboland with Idoma land. Many of these links survived, at least, until the 1930s and may still be there in form of the activities of Nri and related traditional medicine man.”

Afigbo 1987

LegendHero:
This OfoIgbo don suffer today. He will cry to the mods soon to close down the thread.

He is obviously Pazienza, I have dealt with him before to the extent that he had to beg the mod to close down the thread he created.

LegendHero, how far?

I am historically obliterating your champion TAO11

Please read

”If, as has been suggested, Nri theocratic sway could be identified with the culture whose material symbols Shaw recovered in his Igbo-Ukwu excavations, then that factor must be dated to between the 9th and 11th century A.D. or indeed earlier. In that case, Nri influence would be much older than the political and military hegemony centered around Benin and Idah. It may indeed have contributed something to their rise. There are suggestions of this in the tradition, found not only amongst the Nri but also amongst the Bini and the Igala that Nri ritual priests had important parts to play in ceremonies connected with the coronation of the Oba of Benin and the Attah of Igala. Both Jeffreys and Lawton, administrative officers, unearthed evidence to this effect. Thus, it would appear, Nri activities linked much of Igbo-land with the West Niger region up to Benin, and with the region occupied by the Igala and perhaps it also linked Igboland with Idoma land. Many of these links survived, at least, until the 1930s and may still be there in form of the activities of Nri and related traditional medicine man.”

Afigbo 1987

TAO11:
Of course, several kingdoms lie to the East including up to Cameroon and beyond.

So your assignment is to identify one scholar (just one) who goes against historical scholarship to identify the Ogane as an Igbo king. That is the home work I gave you.

Good luck boy.

Except that Prof. Afigbo correctly identified the Nri kingdom as the kingdom that played a part in the coronation of not just the Oba of Benin, but also the Attah of Igala.

EAST is EAST
EAST is not WEST
OGANE is not a Yoruba name
OGANE is not OGHENE