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 Culture › Re: Whole Ondo State Was Under Benin Kingdom Except OWO by OGUN622: 8:49pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
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| Culture › Re: Whole Ondo State Was Under Benin Kingdom Except OWO by OGUN622: 3:17pm On Oct 02, 2021*. Modified: 4:14pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
Olu317:first there is nothing like "Ogiamen language" it is Edo language since Ogiamen speak the language the other seventy three families speak, And also you never thanked me on the Iyase lecture I gave you, or maybe give a rebutall and provide the proof I asked And also you never answered my question what you meant by central language and if Benin city's tongue is different from other Edo clans, I would like you to answer those ones before. And what words you think were borrowed, let's begin to check and see which one was borrowed or which was not I would like you to answer those ones before we can continue That one nigga (a Yoruba)has done justice to one topic, by whose judgement? You? Ogiso of course is not a myth,(we have their descendants in Bini,they greet delaiso,the Ogisos were weak rulers which thier rulership evolved from within, all the over thirty Ogisos were Edos. What I meant is that the Oba's emergence from the Ogiso line and the counter story of Oranmiyan coming from Ife is the myth. Oba is a pure Edo man from Oza. Ovbi'umogun'Oza-that is what the Oba's descendants is called when he greet his morning greetings- child of the Owner of Ogun from Oza Ogun my nigga is Edo, just as it is Yoruba, the worship pattern is not the same. The Binis have been Ironsmith from time immemorial, that is how the worship of Iron began. Iron is Ogun in Edo-Singular. While Igun means Irons(plural) Iron.(we don't erect an altar for Esu in Edo and we don't worship Esu which you guys call the trickster. Or do you have any proof it was borrowed Olokun is also Edo-Olokun means the Owner of the sea, the Edos have access to the water through Ughoton and Urhonigbe-Ethiope river These are Gods worshipped by all Edo clans. Orunmila, Aiyelala, and others I can confidently say was borrowed but they are worshipped by some few sects in Benin, unlike those ones which are general gods worshipped by all Edos Ekiophagha treaty has nothing to do with aborigine whatsoever, there are more complex "fight" within outside the Ekiophagha treaty that the Oba embark upon before Ascending the throne. He goes to Udo, Urhonigbe, Use, Egor, Uselu and the river Okwahe. The Ekiophagha is just one of those rites. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Whole Ondo State Was Under Benin Kingdom Except OWO by OGUN622: 11:24am On Oct 02, 2021*. Modified: 2:19pm On Oct 02, 2021 |
Olu317:What do you mean by "Ogieamien's language" first I would like you to tell me what language was spoken by the Ogieamien that was different from the language that was spoken by the other families since Ogieamien is one of the Over seventy four families in Benin and some of them are older than her and some as old as her( again another stonecold ignorance) What do you mean by [b]Bini kingdom central language[/b]and are you trying to assert that Bini city tongue is different from the Other clans like Urhonigbe that is sixty miles away or Abudu before I answer your question properly.(I want you to expose your foolishness the more) Ignoramus because it was not written about your inconsequential agbo drinking self and people. it is now dutch-fiction centric, Bini is not your mate, she has never been your mate, till date she goes with suffix-(city) which she got as a tag over five hundred years ago. she is far older than any nonsense you have to offer in your dirty Southwest. Benin never paid for such commendations, actually she was worthy of such commendations that is why it she was commended as such, your bile Amala eating, agbo drinking self would not change a thing, you are inconsequential in the world, your dead opinion would end with you and with your bizzare comment made on nairaland. The person(Walter Rodney) who quoted the "dutch fiction centric writer" is/was a far better man. You are not worthy to clean his shoe. He is always a name in the annals of history. He knows it is not fiction centric, that's why he quoted it and he would have known that your comment was borne out of deep hate and bile and that you should not be taken seriously. He is not yoruba that's why he quoted it, to a yoruba, it is fiction-centric, why? Because I try to claim their city , it did not work so let me rubbish the claim, but history is beyond you, it has been written down before your ancestors were dumped on our shores, I would like to see an excerpt where the Iyase said they are from Ile-Ife. Are you aware it is not hereditary.(I know you have seen your your laugh is one of Ignorance and Foolishness)I have seen you made comments which cannot be proven, those days are over you must provide proof my nigga. This is not for you cause you would rather die in ignorance, your Ife tales would always injure you The Iyase title was created alongside some other titles like Uwangue,Eson,Esama,Esogban, these titles are known collectively as Eghaevbo'N'ore-meaning town chiefs. The Iyase title is not hereditary because of the powers that was given to him being the only person that can disagree with the Oba and not be rebuked. We have had Iyases from different quarters of the Empire, the Famous chief AghoObaseki of (Anioma origin) became the Iyase during Oba Eweka 2 reign. We have had Iyases from Ijaw roots, Akure, the present one(chief Sam Igbe) is an assimilated Bini of Urhobo ancestry What evidence do you have that Oranmiyan founded Bini outside fairytales. Cc samuk The more you talk, the more I see hardened ignorance Point how many words in Benin that you think is borrowed ( if some won't pass as cognate)or if you won't see some in other Edoids tribe even as far as Engenni and degema in rivers Benin had no relationship with you guys, Ogiso is a myth you guys were forest dwellers. Your inconsequential self and opinion would not change what has been written about Benin before you were Born 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Culture › Re: Whole Ondo State Was Under Benin Kingdom Except OWO by OGUN622: 4:11am On Oct 02, 2021*. Modified: 5:20am On Oct 02, 2021 |
samuk:My brother that guy na clown o better one  Edo conquered the world from Benin city, our city traditionally called Edo, go and check kingdoms, where she had impact, it was always Edo relics and these low self esteem ignorant fools want to tell us otherwise. The Benin kingdom cum empire project was always Edo's business koyor. They claimed to have civilized us citywise yet they had none to their name in the fifteenth century other than to divert people's history,what audacity, we know who the bush people are Next time if that nigga sees my post, he will dodge it, he should go and tell his low self esteem fairytales to his kids not an informed man like me I am Osaze by native name, I am Ogun on nairaland, I am also Mike by name, but the same person(you can't say you know Ogun you don't know Mike that would amount to lunacy).I am a Bini man, I belong to the only group that identify as Edo in the world. it is only fools that will not accept truth and would rather dwell on ignorance. Whether you accept or not it has been sealed and the Evidences abound. 6 Likes 2 Shares
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| Culture › Re: Whole Ondo State Was Under Benin Kingdom Except OWO by OGUN622: 3:52pm On Sep 30, 2021*. Modified: 6:49am On Oct 01, 2021 |
Ibalekute:I have only one question for you, if the city was not populated by Binis/Edos, And the language of the palace was Olukumi, why are The names of all the Obas Edo names,Both their Birth names and their anscension names? Have you bothered to check?? I don't need a soothsayer to tell me that Bini/Edo language was not only the dominadi in the city but also in the Palace. With the names of the Obas, both Birth names and Ascension names, I also don't need a soothsayer to tell me that the major kiths and Kins of the Obas in the palace from time immemorial were Bini/Edos let alone the city And also I would have loved him to show me another city in the south west that had Binis repute in the fifteenth century since he laid claim to civilizing us Lastly, Evidences of Edo relics in Lagos, Agbor and other Ika towns, Itsekiri, Eastern yorubaland already cemented the fact that Edo was always the major major in the city and also in the workings of the Empire.( take for example as I would always give, the traditional title of the Itsekiri monarch is Ogiame. Allah it is only an Edo man that can interpret it(Ogiame means king of the riverine area, Itsekiri land as we know is largely riverine and they are riverine people). That is how the Itsekiri man praise his monarch he says Ogiame tsuo I am glad to tell you that Ogiame is pure Edo in origin. I would already assume you know when Ginuwa migrated and who he was How can the aborigines have come out to populate the city, do you know the different quarters of the city are someone's village,they have been there from time immemorial(Ogbe,Igun,Igbesawman etc are villages of native Edos and they are located in Oredo,the center of Benin,Adun Kabaka and his family are from Ogbe, have you heard of the term "Ogbe boys",Ogbe is the seat of the palace) what a contradiction. Uneme migrated from center of Benin(Igun) in the 14th century during Oba Egbeka's reign and the Evidence that they indeed migrated from Benin is that they speak an Edoid language alongside with the skill of Bronze casting they took along with themselves cc deadlytruth Akuku group migrated from the Uselu district, today, they also speak an Edoid language as first language IGUEBEN migrated from Benin during Esigie's reign, (circa1504-1550)they were sent by the Oba to prosecute a war against Igala, and on their way back they came across a fertile land and settled on it, and till this day, they speak a dialect Of Bini/Edo. What are you on About bro, Bini is not your mate, you don't have any history save that of worthlessness. Go and look for other people's history to divert, Edo is not free, there are Evidences that abound that Edo was the major major in language and culture, in the city and even in non Edoid areas of the Empire where princes of the palace took them there. 11 Likes 4 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Whole Ondo State Was Under Benin Kingdom Except OWO by OGUN622: 1:31pm On Sep 28, 2021*. Modified: 5:23am On Sep 29, 2021 |
Ibalekute:The Edos have always been the overwhelming majority in this city( their city). (Going by the linguistic evidence of the capital today and the easy assimilation of their descendants)( talking about linguistic evidence, a man from Urhonigbe 60 miles east of Benin would attain 100%intelligibity in language with a man from Ogbe- Benin city)(it only goes to show that your much touted Igbos,Urhobos, Esans, Itsekiris, Olukumi combined were not even close to 1/5 of the dominant population) ( we know groups that received large migrations in Nigeria today and we know how altered their speech forms have become e.g Agbor which received enough migrations from Bini)and those groups were just around in their small numbers for the day to day serving of the palace and they were assimilated, we know their descendants here in Benin. The city is in contention here by that text not the kingdom. The city is owned by a group the Binis/Edos and it is/was populated majorly by them. The city was more of a reporting point. We have records of Iyases who stayed at their several quarters like Agbor,Ehor etc and several other chiefs at different quarters of the kingdom. If you want to quote me, quote me with your full chest. coward, I don't bite I only give evidence to cure Ignorance. He claimed to have civilized us yet you guys had none to your name as at the 15th century That there is nothing on the language spoken there today only goes to show that the migrant or other tribes who were residents alongside the owners and the aborigines were in their minority number and they were assimilated and the assimilation today is evident in our family greeting. They were only a minuscule minority compared to the general Benin offshoot. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Whole Ondo State Was Under Benin Kingdom Except OWO by OGUN622: 4:03pm On Sep 24, 2021*. Modified: 5:38pm On Sep 24, 2021 |
ImperialYoruba:How Europe underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney page 83 "Several historians of Africa have pointed out that after surveying the developed areas of the continent in the 15th century and those within Europe at the same date, the difference between the two was in no way to Africa's discredit. Indeed, the first Europeans to reach West and East Africa by sea were the ones who indicated that in most respects, African development was comparable to that which they knew. To take but one example, when the Dutch visited the city of Benin, they described it thus: The town seems to be very great. When you enter into it, you go into a great broad street, not paved, which seems to be seven or eight times broader than the Warmoes street in Amsterdam. The king's palace is a collection of buildings which occupy as much space as the town of Harlem, and which is enclosed with walls. There are numerous apartments for the prince's ministers and fine galleries, most of which are as big as those on the Exchange at Amsterdam. They are supported by wooden pillars encased with copper, where their victories are depicted, and which are carefully kept very clean. The town is composed of thirty main streets, very straight and 120 feet wide, apart from an infinity of small intersecting streets. The houses are close to one another, arranged in good order. THESE PEOPLE ARE IN NO WAY INFERIOR TO THE DUTCH AS REGARDS CLEANLINESS;THEY WASH AND SCRUB THEIR HOUSES SO WELL THAT THEY ARE POLISHED AND SHINING LIKE A LOOKING-GLASS" Bini nor be your mate, "Edorodion nor be playtalk" I searched for a city of such repute among yorubas in the 15th century I found none. The very group called Bini call themselves Edo when speaking their language, infact there is no other group that identify as Edo except the group called Benin. There is nothing like "Bini" in Edo language or Bini language. Don't take my word for it. This is a dictionary of the Bini language by Hans melzian. If a Bini man is asking another Bini man if he is Bini in his native tongue he says Ovbiedo wekhin? And not Ovbibini wekhin. I know it is going to take time educating you folks but I just hope it is worth the time. An Auchi man going to Benin city would tell his kinsman in his native tongue, that he is going to "Edo" and not "Bini". Save for English usage, no Bini man refers to himself as such. The language of the Bini people is called Edo, the people are called Ivbiedo-Edo people, the prime city of the people is also called Edo, the entire Bini speaking land, the city and outside of the city (like Abudu, Urhonigbe, Okada, Ehor ,Udo, Ugo, Ekiadolor, Ologbo,Usen etc) are refered to as Otedo-Edo's land 5 Likes 2 Shares
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| Culture › Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by OGUN622: 5:02pm On Sep 22, 2021 |
lx3as:Don't be a fool, I have only seen this much hardened foolishness among yoruba. Whether Igodomigodo, Aka by the urhobos, Idu by Igbos, Edo by Binis, Esans and Afemai. It is all but naming and it is actually referring to the same entity or thing. If at all we agree that there were some migrant, who were Yoruba, we acknowledge their ancestry as we also acknowledge the other migrations we received from anioma, ijaw, Urhobo and others. If Ginuwa was yoruboid in the sense that he could speak Yoruba I can't tell but I can tell strongly of his Itsekiri Title "Ogiame" which has stuck till date and is pure Edo in origin. This can only point us to the fact that if he was yoruboid by that 15th century he has assimilated into the Edo society. That will only tell us one thing of an Edo majority that was on ground, which assimilated these migrant that is why a Yoruba or Igbo migrant will be confuse on his first entrance into Bini city, an Esan, Urhobo or Etsako man will not. Check most of your records, Bini and Edo were used interchangeably when they were talking of an Edo military that conquered many parts of Eastern yorubaland, Ado precisely in this case in reference to you. That Yoruba is not spoken in Benin city today only goes to show that the migrant you talked about were only a minuscule part of the Edo society(and the language spoken is not even close to Yoruba) (Igbo is even closer to yoruba than Edo linguistically)and they United with the Edo majority in thought and unity of purpose to evolve what later became a glorious empire of enviable appeal. Common sense should tell you that the 90% of the personnel's who made up the army were Binis, Esans, Afemai, Urhobo (Edo groups)with a few from The Anioma and the Eastern Yoruba areas when needed. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Culture › Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by OGUN622: 4:22pm On Sep 22, 2021*. Modified: 4:17pm On Sep 24, 2021 |
samuk:Ogbe- Ogbe in this sense is like a base, a rallying point for a family fold when a man say "Ikhian so do 'Ogbe" he is talking about going to his base, his quarter, his fortress. Ogbe- to the Binis is the general base of the entire Bini fold and in extension the entire Edo race. It is the strongest of the Bini community, the very centre of the seat of power. You find it in words reflecting unity, Oneness of the Binis in celebration of end of year festivals,- Iselogbe, Ogbe magbaro, Ogbe- Isena, Ogbe mavbediaru |
| Politics › Re: Masari On VAT: Northern States Responsible For Lagos, Rivers Development by OGUN622: 8:48am On Sep 20, 2021 |
codemaniacs:He is not a foreigner, He is an historian, a world class historian at that, "nor dae spread your ignorance like butter for bread", he used available sources and eye witness account, that is how history is carried out. Lagos was always under the Oba of Benin, There was no history of Lagos outside the Oba of Benin , what we have in our favor is that there are enough eye witness account to buttress this point and we have extensive materials on it in the books. My very last reply to you, I can't be contending what is settled. It is for you to take heart my brother "The products of the blacksmith guilds were also means by which the Oba determined the loyalty or otherwise of a vassal states to Benin kingdom. They were also the means by which the Oba legitimized the rulers in the vassal states. The “emblem of authority” or “staff of office” sent by Oba Osemwende (c.1816) to king Akintoye of Lagos in the course of the 1850s symbolized the Oba’s hegemony over Lagos and the legitimization of the Akintoye’s reign over his people. The acceptance of this emblem implied the King of Lagos’ recognition of the over-lordship of the Oba of Benin; with the obligation of annual tributes to Benin (A.F.C. Ryder, 1977, p.14). 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Politics › Re: Masari On VAT: Northern States Responsible For Lagos, Rivers Development by OGUN622: 7:47am On Sep 20, 2021*. Modified: 8:35am On Sep 20, 2021 |
codemaniacs:Lagos was part of Benin Empire, Benin handed Lagos over to the British directly in 1860. Eko was no corruption of Oko, they do not mean the same thing at all and Eko means war camp in Benin. it was not borrowed at all,quarters with Idumu as prefix, Eko and others are colonial relics of Edo on lagos. Families like Obanikoro, Olotu Odibu are families that claim descent from Benin. "The products of the blacksmith guilds were also means by which the Oba determined the loyalty or otherwise of a vassal states to Benin kingdom. They were also the means by which the Oba legitimized the rulers in the vassal states. The “emblem of authority” or “staff of office” sent by Oba Osemwende (c.1816) to king Akintoye of Lagos in the course of the 1850s symbolized the Oba’s hegemony over Lagos and the legitimization of the Akintoye’s reign over his people. The acceptance of this emblem implied the King of Lagos’ recognition of the over-lordship of the Oba of Benin; with the obligation of annual tributes to Benin (A.F.C. Ryder, 1977, p.14)." 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Politics › Re: Masari On VAT: Northern States Responsible For Lagos, Rivers Development by OGUN622: 6:46pm On Sep 19, 2021 |
GUNITGuy:because we have no history with Kano, we might have with portharcourt but it is not so clear, but there are certainly migrant Edo population in rivers state ( degema and Engenni) they are Edoids group linguistically, and it is in their Orals they migrated from Benin. Urhobo and Isoko are Edo groups by blood, linguistically and culturally, they share so much similarity with Bini than anyother group in Nigeria because that is what they are ( Edos by ancestry) They have a local name for Bini in their native tongue (Aka) where they migrated from. They are the ones preaching their descent from Bini not the other way round. There has been some move to downplay Binis influence on precolonial lagos, up till 1850 Lagos paid tribute to the Oba of Benin that is why there is some reinforcement of Opinions on their part, up till the 19th century, Lagos was an integral part of Benin Empire 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Culture › Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by OGUN622: 8:31am On Sep 14, 2021 |
Mraphel:Edo a corruption of Ado? I don't know if you guys forgery is to boost your self esteem, you mean you can just stay in Ogbomosho and peddle falsehood, the internet is a wonder! 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Culture › Re: Who Really Owns The Benin Bronzes? by OGUN622: 9:36am On Sep 06, 2021 |
xpool:[b]I am glad you know your Ignorance and emotions will not pass of as truth. You are angry and I know why you are angry because your people could not muster anything great historically, you are angry because your people could not defend themselves when Bini came for slaves, you are angry because the migration of Binis into Anioma is much that your people have heavy Igbo denial there, you are angry because culturally you have Bini all over you. You can't stomache how a minority tribe could have so much influence over you culturally and even in your linguistics which has been bastardized. I know you will heal son you will heal. You are baffled how a minority tribe could have produced all this greatness! Let me quote another excerpt for you SPEECH DELIVERED BY UKU-AKPOLOKPOLO OMO N'OBA N'EDO, THE OBA OF BENIN AT THE EXHIBITION OF THE LOST TREASURES OF ANCIENT BENIN ON THURSDAY, 29TH APRIL,1982. FOURTH PARAGRAPH "I want to seize this occasion to appeal to the National commission and the federal government that is responsible for purchasing these works of art to allow themselves to be constantly reminded that the home of these works of art are not in lagos, but here in Benin City and elsewhere. While we cannot press for our own to be returned to the Benin Royal Palace, we would nevertheless, feel delighted if I, the head of the Royal family are made to feel that those in authority in Lagos are aware of this fact. I AM MAKING THIS POINT BECAUSE I RECALL TO MIND THE SEARCH THAT THE ORGANIZERS OF FESTAC EMBARKED UPON TO SECURE A FESTAC MASK. WITH ALL THE HISTORIANS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ANTIQUITIES IT NEVER OCCURED TO ANYONE THERE TO COME TO BENIN TO ENQUIRE WHETHER A SIMILAR MASK WAS STILL AVAILABLE OR WHETHER THERE WAS ANYONE WHO COULD REPRODUCE IT. THANKS TO OUR BROTHER, OBI OSEMENE OF ISSELE-UKU, WHO HAD TO REMIND OFFICIALS OF THAT DEPARTMENT THAT THE SOLUTION TO THEIR SEARCH LAY IN THE PALACE OF THE OBA OF BENIN" even your obi is aware Benin is boss. Go and cry in your father's presence why your ancestors are useless and don't have anything noteworthy to their name not nairaland[/b] 7 Likes 5 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Who Really Owns The Benin Bronzes? by OGUN622: 9:33am On Sep 06, 2021 |
xpool:[b]I am glad you know your Ignorance and emotions will not pass of as truth. You are angry and I know why you are angry because your people could not muster anything great historically, you are angry because your people could not defend themselves when Bini came for slaves, you are angry because the migration of Binis into Anioma is much that your people have heavy Igbo denial there, you are angry because culturally you have Bini all over you. You can't stomache how a minority tribe could have so much influence over you culturally and even in your linguistics which has been bastardized. I know you will heal son you will heal. Let me quote another excerpt for you SPEECH DELIVERED BY UKU-AKPOLOKPOLO OMO N'OBA N'EDO, THE OBA OF BENIN AT THE EXHIBITION OF THE LOST TREASURES OF ANCIENT BENIN ON THURSDAY, 29TH APRIL,1982. FOURTH PARAGRAPH "I want to seize this occasion to appeal to the National commission and the federal government that is responsible for purchasing these works of art to allow themselves to be constantly reminded that the home of these works of art are not in lagos, but here in Benin City and elsewhere. While we cannot press for our own to be returned to the Benin Royal Palace, we would nevertheless, feel delighted if I, the head of the Royal family are made to feel that those in authority in Lagos are aware of this fact. I AM MAKING THIS POINT BECAUSE I RECALL TO MIND THE SEARCH THAT THE ORGANIZERS OF FESTAC EMBARKED UPON TO SECURE A FESTAC MASK. WITH ALL THE HISTORIANS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ANTIQUITIES IT NEVER OCCURED TO ANYONE THERE TO COME TO BENIN TO ENQUIRE WHETHER A SIMILAR MASK WAS STILL AVAILABLE OR WHETHER THERE WAS ANYONE WHO COULD REPRODUCE IT. THANKS TO OUR BROTHER, OBI OSEMENE OF ISSELE-UKU, WHO HAD TO REMIND OFFICIALS OF THAT DEPARTMENT THAT THE SOLUTION TO THEIR SEARCH LAY IN THE PALACE OF THE OBA OF BENIN" even your obi is aware Benin is boss. Go and cry in your father's presence why your ancestors are useless and don't have anything noteworthy to their name not nairaland [/b] |
| Culture › Re: Who Really Owns The Benin Bronzes? by OGUN622: 7:51am On Sep 06, 2021 |
xpool:Provide book proof, you don't just say such things without a back up proof, provide an excerpt else it will be regarded as palm wine joint talk. I have provided proof that this was made in Benin and still made in large quantity at different quarters in Igun street. People grow up in Benin and take up career in Bronze casting, as I have said before if there is anything the Binis took, from her neighbours, it is not Bronze plaques, it is our heritage, many of our school fees were paid with this. There is no tribe today that resonate Bronze than Benin that her quarters was regarded as UNESCO world heritage site, that Wilder that traces his origin to Benin started going with the tag Bronze bomber. My brother if you nor get proof stop quoting me make Ogun nor kill you. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Who Really Owns The Benin Bronzes? by OGUN622: 7:02pm On Sep 05, 2021 |
[img][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][center][right][left] xpool:If there is anything the Binis plundered and stole from her neighbours maybe slaves certainly not "Igun erowmon" provide proof not beer parlour talk Bini nor be your mate, many of us were taken care with proceeds from bronze casting, Igun street was recognized as a world heritage site because of this, Victor Uwaifo alongside with being a musician and a professor was also a bronze caster.[b]uilds,a man must as a condition take up residence in the appropriate quarter.This ensured easyaccessibility of the guildmembers for timely delivery of their products to the Oba,while the irrespective locations became known centers for the purchase of their products.A sixteen thcentury Dutch accounts confirmed the sales of ironwares or goods in some markets and designated locations in Benin(T.Hodgkin,1960,pp. 121-122). Each of the craft guilds had a council–‘the guild council’-which was responsible for the internal administration of the guild and by extension,the quarters or streets which they lived.The council consisted of the titledholders if any,and elders(edion).The titleholders were appointed by the Oba within their guilds and the most senior of them presided over the council.However,where there were no title holders,the council was composed mainly of the elders(edion)within the guild and the most senior of the elders(Odionwere)presided.The council took charge of the daytoday administration of the guilds and the quarters in which they resided.In more specific terms,the councilwas responsible for the settling of disputes between families in the guild and had power to try all disputes and cases except those dealing with witchcraft and homicide which were referred to the Oba’scourt.The method of trial of cases was by ordeal and for witchcraft the ordeal had to be administered by the witchdiviners’guilds(ivbiawoandewaise).Inaddition,the councils collected titlefees from their members and stipulated tributes from their wards or streets for the Oba.It also organized labour for publicworks,mobilized men from their quarters for war at the command of the Oba and made laws for the peace and order within their own guilds and wards.According to Igbafe, Since the guild councils were responsible for the internal administration of the guilds and hence the quarters and since the quarters represented units of administration with in Benin Kingdom,it can therefore,be argued that the guilds were administrative units in precolonial Benin(1982,p.20). This relieved the Oba of the stress of ward administration in Benin. It has earlier been stated that the guilds’activities covered every aspects of the Oba’sneeds.As a result the various guilds were associated with each of the three palace societies:Iwebo,Iweguae and Ibiwe(seetable) that was responsible for every aspects of the Oba’shousehold.This arrangement was that“since each of the palace societies took charge of the Oba’shousehold, and each of the guilds performed special obligations to the Oba, inconsequence, the guilds were affiliated to either of the palace societies according to the nature of their services”(P.A.Igbafe,1980, p.27).For example,since the iwebo palace society took charge of the Oba’sregalia, by relevance,all guilds whose products or activities traditionally fit in to the Oba’s regalia were affiliated to the society.In this regard the guilds of ivory and wood[/b] 5 Likes 3 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Th by OGUN622: 6:38am On Sep 02, 2021 |
geosegun:If you have sense, those points should not elude you, You gave out two points 1)That commonality was a factor that made the Royal Palace of Benin ruled Itsekiri and Lagos and I have asked you 2 what commonality was there that made them invite the Yoruba king, how did he communicate with them since they were yorubas and we were Binis, What would make them Invite him in the first place since they did not see themselves as one with him, the Name Ibinu is a scam that began in 1917 it is Ubini. Oranmiyan and Oduduwa are myths 3. A Yoruba speaking palace that never gave about 40 Bini Kings Yoruba names Abi the populace threaten am say if he give him pikin Yoruba name them go behead am go and check the names of past Obas and their children, they all bore pure Edo names. Your Yoruba speaking palace also again is a mythThe scales have fallen off our eyes, people with no history cannot divert our rich history Answer my questions don't dodge them or you have low IQ or severe double standard If you have a brain you should have seen that the story your father sold to you was scam 7 Likes 3 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Th by OGUN622: 6:15am On Sep 02, 2021 |
geosegun:Ok I have two questions for you,(1)how did your Oranmiyan take over Benin since your history said he was invited if he was invited. (2) how was he able to communicate with the people on ground since he was not Bini (3) what would have warranted his invitation since they would not be able to communicate with him (4)also were the People tired of ruling themselves to go for a total stranger who can't communicate with them in the first place ( the Oba's tale of Izoduwa sound better here since communication and oneness should be a factor for invitation (5) will they have willingly surrendered since he was Yoruba and they were Binis ( opposition would have be more since there were no history of conquest and they would have prevailed, why would the general Binis have supported him against the Ogiamen if they don't think he is one of them, most times if not all when Other tribes come to rule and dominate a foreign land, it is usually by conquest. the Binis were men of war and valour. we conquered you guys and the name of your state Eko is intelligible in Benin meaning war camp, and many of your quarters have the same exact naming pattern of the Esan tribe of Edo not close exact! "Idumu" They are the only tribe who use that pattern oral tale which can be distorted will not fly when there are pointers very strong and deadly ones at that you guys only bullied your Oba into Denial he knows his history. Tribes of coward 8 Likes 5 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Th by OGUN622: 5:29am On Sep 02, 2021 |
geosegun:Give us facts he is yoruba not cock and bull stories, subject kill you there! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Celebrities › Re: Sir Victor Uwaifo Is Dead by OGUN622: 10:27pm On Aug 28, 2021*. Modified: 5:59am On Aug 29, 2021 |
FreeStuffsNG:'Far more' did not just sit well with me, for every far more he caught up with them and he was on equal footing with them educationally before he died. Fame wise,Achievement wise Victor Uwaifo is a bigger man to both of them combined. Only Joromi is bigger than the career of both combined!. stop making it sound like they are equals in the first place,not only are they not, they are not even close to his resume!. You should have corrected him in a mild way not sprawling your insult to the great one. Your tone is insulting and demeaning. 4 Likes 1 Share |
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