Sewgon79:


Thanks for this piece of work. It is very broad

Amujale:


Firstly, Yoruba is an Ethnicity and not a tribe.

Secondly, there are no tribes in Africa.

Anyone looking for tribes, will find them in Asia and Europe.

Furthermore, let me now pass you back to TAO11 to give you that work.

Cheers!

gregyboy:



I wont say anything again so it wont look like a lie
Or am an author to my self

But i want to give the right to prove the ife and benin connections without using oral history


The igala and benin war was recorded by the Portuguese, there is a mask the attah of igala still wears today to prove the war happened

I want you to prove- ife and benin connections with factual evidence and not from oral account


Am waiting

gregyboy:


Now we know ife-benin is myth and TAO11 and goggi are unable to prove me wrong


Portuguese never mentioned benin ife relationship but records of benin soldiers on eko and other yoruba environs was mentioned including oyo and none on ife , Because it was just a fabrication

You all should laff at the joke egharevba formed o ile binu to benin... Seriously

The Portuguese would have gone for a simpler word like edo since its easier to pronounce instead of corrupting ile binu

Our neighbors never knew us as benins but rather a corrupt version of edo so why was the Portuguese different did you both ask yourself
The why, i bet no

This will occur if the Portuguese had originally invented the name to identify us due to the initially language barrier like i have explained on my previous comment

See the attachments below

Sewgon79:


A tribe is group of people, ethnics with common interest, language, culture and traditions. So that make Yoruba a tribe. Out of Yoruba you have, Ekiti, Ìjẹ̀sà, awori, ègún, ijebu, yewa, Ẹ̀gbá, Ondo, ọwọ, etc

hayoholla:


Ever since I have been on this post, this is the only straw you are clinging on that " Portuguese never mentioned any Benin - Ife contact" anything aside that you have not contributed anything worthy of serious dialogue. You need to understand the art of debate and dialogue bro. You even asked TAO for the pictures of the severed heads of the obas! Bro afar na. That's way too lame of a comeback. Like it's must be in her own possession for you to believe your obas are buried there. Bro logic, logic, I repeat logic!

macof:
so the French are a tribe?
The white Americans are a tribe?
The Chinese are a tribe?

macof:
so the French are a tribe?
The white Americans are a tribe?
The Chinese are a tribe?

Sewgon79:


Okay I think Yoruba could be said to be a tribe, because Yoruba is a nation of its own with different sub ethnic with same languages, cultural backgrounds and same traditions. All of same Ancestors, Ile ife.

Yeah. But if we are not colonised and divided and enslave. Yorùbá is a tribe of different ethnic groups, e.g. Ègún, Ekiti, ijebu, Ọ̀yọ́, Ondo, tàpá, ọwọ, though they all have their different dialect, kind of local language. But primarily share common general language which is Yoruba.

Sewgon79:


A tribe is group of people, ethnics with common interest, language, culture and traditions. So that make Yoruba a tribe. Out of Yoruba you have, Ekiti, Ìjẹ̀sà, awori, ègún, ijebu, yewa, Ẹ̀gbá, Ondo, ọwọ, etc

Sewgon79:


A tribe is group of people, ethnics with common interest, language, culture and traditions. So that make Yoruba a tribe. Out of Yoruba you have, Ekiti, Ìjẹ̀sà, awori, ègún, ijebu, yewa, Ẹ̀gbá, Ondo, ọwọ, etc

Sewgon79:


A tribe is group of people, ethnics with common interest, language, culture and traditions. So that make Yoruba a tribe...

MetaPhysical:


You are welcome. It is by far deeper than what I shared. Each paragraph there is a branch in itself that can bring further revelations but I wanted to be brief and close to surface as possible.

That which is in heaven is "orunmila"
That which is earthly is "odumila".
That which sorrounds is "Efe"
That which is beneath is "Ogun"

....Ela l'oro!
Ela, Ila and Allah are same!


Nobody mines a resource underneath without first consulting Ogun.

While odumila is resourceful, Efe is nurturing, and orunmila sustains.

Wisdom of the ancients my brother!

MetaPhysical:


...
Ela, Ila and Allah are same!....

gregyboy:



Yea there was never ogiso, i just figured that out not too long, it was always oba from the start

But i believe ekaladeran lived and died at ughoton tho he didnt have any history with ife as it was assumed......


Ekaladeran existed tho he found ughoton and rituals are still be conducted at ughoton till date

There was never ogiso i believed that too

Ile binu was given by the itsekiri which Portuguese converted to benin

gregyboy:



I dont believe there was oromiyan am replying a guy who said oromiyan existed

Your are been hyperactive right now

babtoundey:


See you driving forth and back. Now there was Ekaladeran. But yesterday and the day before he didn't exist. Why is it that you cannot be consistent and assertive for once? Now, you have thrown another bombshell: There was never Ogiso. it had always been Oba right from the beginning.

Believe me, if you keep on like this, no sane person will take you serious. In fact, I have stopped reading most of your comments (particular those that relate to Benin/Ife and even Benin itself).

Why don't just take your time compile your facts make it whole and come back to tell us how it is this and not that. Presenting a work that is badly researched, badly compiled and awfully done will not win you a medal. I'm sure tomorrow (This I have said before) you have the tendency of coming back and telling us your findings have shown all you present today to be hearsays. Be consistent. If you want to lie, table a complete, plausible, constant and defendable lies. Not the kind that changes colour like a chameleon.

Mraphel:

Why won't Oranmiyan existed? He was famous that he and his emissaries won the war from ife to Benin land.

He founded many towns Benin inclusive.

gregyboy:

[s]Mumu quote me the works of your earliest scholars who brought this myth into reality samuel johnson........

To him oduduwa gave birth to all the yoruba kingdoms including benin, benin was an older brother to oromiyan, benin was third to last and oromiyan was the last born........ In his account Oronmiyan fought his imiginary wars with the nupes and other northern territories and he never visited benin according to samuel johson ...... Samuel Crowther said Oduduwa is an Hebrew mam........


Bro i dont know were you got your account from because those places oromiyan waged the imagined war with dont even have record at any times of Oronmiyan
Unless you want to give me proves of oromiyan conquesr in those areas, abi na only benin oromiyan do all the conquest

If benin still exist today and serves as your evidence of oromiyan Conquest then others like nupe and the northern fronitiers were he fought is wars would still be able to recognize is influence and his establishment of thier various royal stool by oromiyan

I need the evidence of those areas, we have evidence from benin as you claimed


Again..... Oduduwa was a mere diety that was worshiped by ife people no yorubas in history ever came or recongnised it origin to ife until samuel johson in 1897 wrote about it



If benin kept relationship in the past with ife as a father state, what relationship did benin keep with oyo as a direct brother state and the mythology made it known oromiyan left to oyo

Through out history there was no relationship between oyo and benin even when the myth believed oromiyan resided there......


Bro stop believing rubbish because it suit you[/s]

gregyboy:




Mumu quote me the works of your earliest scholars who brought this myth into reality samuel johnson........

To him oduduwa gave birth to all the yoruba kingdoms including benin, benin was an older brother to oromiyan, benin was third to last and oromiyan was the last born........ In his account Oronmiyan fought his imiginary wars with the nupes and other northern territories and he never visited benin according to samuel johson ...... Samuel Crowther said Oduduwa is an Hebrew mam........


Bro i dont know were you got your account from because those places oromiyan waged the imagined war with dont even have record at any times of Oronmiyan
Unless you want to give me proves of oromiyan conquesr in those areas, abi na only benin oromiyan do all the conquest

If benin still exist today and serves as your evidence of oromiyan Conquest then others like nupe and the northern fronitiers were he fought is wars would still be able to recognize is influence and his establishment of thier various royal stool by oromiyan

I need the evidence of those areas, we have evidence from benin as you claimed


Again..... Oduduwa was a mere diety that was worshiped by ife people no yorubas in history ever came or recongnised it origin to ife until samuel johson in 1897 wrote about it



If benin kept relationship in the past with ife as a father state, what relationship did benin keep with oyo as a direct brother state and the mythology made it known oromiyan left to oyo

Through out history there was no relationship between oyo and benin even when the myth believed oromiyan resided there......


Bro stop believing rubbish because it suit you

Mraphel:

Oronmiyan was not Oduduwa's son...he was Oduduwa's great grandson.

gregyboy:


Argue with the originator of the myth

Samuel johnson 1897 who says otherwise


The problem with myth is it can never be too sweet or too full to accompany other lies

TAO12:


Wait! Where did Samuel Johnson say that Oranmiyan was Oduduwa's so and not his grandson??

Edo liar on the lose!




Moreover, do you mean myth just like Roth's who made-up Ekalderhan and sold it to your dumb people?? /s

Or like Ruopells' who made-up Ewuare and sold it to your dumb people?? /s

And many more.

cc: Mraphel

gregyboy:


Hate speech

TAO12:


I hope you don't cry sha!

gregyboy:


Attention seaker

Mraphel:

Edo still a Yoruba word from (Ado) which translates to new settlement.

Correction: Oba Eweka changed it to Ubinu not Edo

AmuDimpka:


You guys are weaklins ... You have your land taken by Ijaws ! You have only two local government ...Oredo and Egor, Esan don't send you and mind you in former biafra Igbo defeated you easily ! In short it was a walk over and would always do that ...Igbo have the means and the population....

Also , Gelegele is off you...ijaw has aken it forever and you can't fight ijaw ! They have Niger population also

And finally, ye Igbo never included you in the former biafra and they aren't even including you in he doesn't biafra ....what we can do after biafra is go colonise you and that will be easier and you guys would be pleased for it

samuk:


I can't easily recollect what it means, it's the name of the area bordering the Oba Palace, kings square/ring road and Oba market area. someone else may know.

I know Ogbee which sounds slightly different with the double ee means family but don't know the meaning of Ogbe.

lx3as:


You are muddling up lots of things hence your confusion!

I'm related to the Ado you just mentioned and I would give you a little history about my place. A PhD holder once made the same silly statement 'Ado-Ekiti people are from Bini' and I sat him down and told him our history since I share same with Ado, I will only tell you the abridged one since I don't believe I'm dealing with sound fellow.

The Ewi, Oluda, and their brother, Tewogbade were the children of Olofin (another name for Ìfẹ ruler) who left Ìfẹ to establish their kingdoms. They settled in different territories like ilésà, Owena before leaving for a place in present Edo state. After some time they re-traced their steps and settled in Ido-Ani in present Ondo State. After many years and to cut the story short, they left Ido-Ani and settled in many other communities like present Oba-Ile, Emure, Àgbádó, etc before finally arrived Ado. At Ado, they met ancient people and also Obatala followers who had settled earlier. We call these people 'Ulesun, Urahurẹ́ people'.

Most communities those days had priests leadership and they were like further extension of Ìfẹ; they revered Ìfẹ, its gods and rulers. Immediately a prince came with any Ìfẹ palace regalia, crown, Ida, beats, etc the older leadership gave way for them to become king. It's not always through war... to cut long story short, Oduduwa children from Ori-Eguru, Ile Ìfẹ, the Ọmọ Ọwá, Ewi became king over Ado people while Oluda became king of Iyin-Ekiti. They have nothing to do with Bini.

Although settled people in eastern Yoruba settlements accord Bini princes same honour given to those of Ìfẹ (they accepted Bini, through Oranmiyan, as an extension of Ìfẹ). That's why towns like Ikare, Ikere have two obas till this day. Reason people of Iwerre who were mainly from Ikale, Ilaje and Ijebu installed Ginuwa from Bini as their king.

Most Bini influence in the eastern Yoruba territories were not through Bini soldiers but through Yoruba lords & territories who were loyal to the Oba being from Oranmiyan, the revered Ìfẹ prince and ruler. for instance, Ikere waged lots of war on Ado to maintain Bini trading influence.

I will repeat here, whatever past glory of Bini was due to its Ìfẹ connection in blood (people), culture, religion, arts, etc.

Can you now tell me the meaning of Ado in Igodomigodo language?[