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Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 1:28pm
Praivit0:


I so much love this, but I think fraud is an understatement.
This forever saved people just keep on deceiving themselves with the word grace.

Any gospel that gives you liberty to continue is sin isn't just fraud but is directly from the pit of hell.

Thank you very much jare.

This is the bitter truth people don’t want to hear.

They would rather peddle lopsided messages on grace and faith.


Jesus said REPENT! for the kingdom of God is at hand.

If the heart is right with God, every other thing (thoughts and actions) will fall in place.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 1:21pm
solite3:
There are only two ways to obtain righteousness from God either from the law of moses or by faith in God's provision.
Even people that where not under the law of moses where sinners meaning it was never the law of moses that make people sinners. people where already somewhat under the law even without being fully aware of it. The law of moses only made humans aware of God's requirement.
Rehab was a sinner even if she is not fully aware of moses law but it was her faith that was counted as righteousness before God.

And Job? How was he seen as a righteous man before God?


The foundation of everything is this. Only the pure in heart will see God.

If there’s no change of heart, any other thing amounts to building castles in the air.

Out of the heart springs forth the issues of life.


Why did Jesus still require people to “go and sin no more”

Why did Jesus admonish “be perfect, as our Heavenly Father is perfect “


Well unless you’re implying Jesus gave people impossible instructions to follow.

Is it faith Jesus will use to separate the sheeps from the goats?
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 1:17pm
solite3:
There are only two ways to obtain righteousness from God either from the law of moses or by faith in God's provision.
Even people that where not under the law of moses where sinners meaning it was never the law of moses that make people sinners. people where already somewhat under the law even without being fully aware of it. The law of moses only made humans aware of God's requirement.
Rehab was a sinner even if she is not fully aware of moses law but it was her faith that was counted as righteousness before God.

And Simon the sorcerer didn’t believe in Jesus and was baptised?

And as for Rahab, it’s very clear she repented of her ways. Anyhow you people want to put it, repentance is non-negotiable.

No repentance, no change of heart, every other thing is a sheer waste of time which amounts to lip service.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 9:20am
jesusjnr:
Lol!

Anyone against a grace gospel which sends men to hell by encouraging them to continue in their sins, is a Satanist.

Grace indeed!

Lol...wetin Osuofia no go see for London grin

Any gospel that doesn’t emphasise on the importance of repentance, to “go and sin no more” is fraud.

Any confessions or belief without a change of heart is hypocrisy.

Jesus clearly said, the pure in heart shall see God.

Anyone that disagrees can feel free to argue with God on the day of judgement.

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Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 8:36am
Lol, someone's (Muttley) trying real hard to get attention.

Wisdom no be by old age true true cheesy cheesy cheesy

Predictably, he’s hoping for a response from those he quoted so they can continue discussing irrelevant matters as far this thread is concerned.

So amusing cheesy cheesy

Nairaland Christianity... na wa ooo

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Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 7:22am
^^^

Delusions of the highest order. From his gaffes on tithes & first fruits, now to his lopsided views on the purpose of God’s grace. cheesy cheesy

Calling others satanists, whereas no one needs to see beyond your lifestyle to see sheer hypocrisy in full display.

“Let’s know so that broke niggas like us can know if it is affordable. I hail you” - albaghdadi November 2016.

God’s grace is there for repentance, and not an excuse to keep wallowing in sin.

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Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 10:32pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
good, we are on the same boat.

Cheers.

I think we’ll need to discuss

1) Iniquity
2) Trangression
3) Wickedness
4) Errors

That’ll be another time sha.

Thanks for your time. Do have a good night rest.

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Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 10:27pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
a Jewish woman caught in the acts of adultery and JESUS say go and sin no more instead of stoning to death, wasn't this Grace ? it buttress my point.

Look at the bolded, “Jewish woman” and not Rahab.


And yes, that is what grace entails, you are forgiven, to sin no more. Grace is not an excuse to continue in sin.

Or has my posts on grace said anything different?

If it were impossible to stay away from sin, why would Jesus clearly instruct the adulterous woman to SIN NO MORE.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 10:22pm On Nov 12
Matthew 5 v 8;

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Unless there’s a change of heart, if una like preach grace and mercy till forever, you are all wasting your time with lip service.

Empty confessions will take nobody anywhere near the kingdom of heaven.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 10:16pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
good, for me I believed the law have serve it's purpose. The purpose of the law is not to save (JUSTIFY) a person. The purpose of the law is to show a person his sin (make him knowledgeable about his sin) Think again of a man with a dirty face who looks into a mirror. The DIRT is like SIN and the MIRROR is like the LAW. The purpose of the mirror is to show a
person his dirt! We certainly would not wash our face with the mirror! The mirror tells us that we need to use the soap and water, just as the law tells us that we have sin and need to be cleansed. The LAW cannot cleanse us from sin, only the LAMB can do that.

Bros, who was the Law meant for?

This same Jesus also admonished people to “go and sin no more” and “be perfect, for our Heavenly Father is perfect”

Why?
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 9:57pm On Nov 12
It’s amazing how people mistake an extended grace period to pay back a loan to automatically mean cancellation of that loan.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 9:45pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
Good. how many of us can boast that we have perfectly kept the law ? none, thus we need His Mercy and Grace. thank you.

What law are you keeping?

Were you ever under the Law to start with?

What is the essence of grace about? A get out of jail card to keep on sinning?

God’s mercy and grace is there to ensure we repent and turn from our sinful ways. It’s not a platform to justify being stunted in our spiritual growth and excusing sinful habit in one’s life.

Again, why would Jesus on more than one occasion still say “go and sin no more”

In addition, why would Jesus also admonish “be perfect, for our Heavenly Father is perfect “

Or you think Jesus had no reason for saying these?

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Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 9:29pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
peace bro but Remember, if we could keep the law perfectly then we would not need a Saviour and the death of Christ would not have been necessary . Only guilty lawbreakers need a Saviour, but righteous people who never break the law do not need a Saviour. thank you.

I agree on this.

What I was reiterating on this thread is the need for repentance and keeping one’s heart right with God.

The essence of grace is a time of mercy for man to repent and turn away from their sinful ways.

Obeying the words of Jesus, yielding to the Holy Spirit and constantly renewing one’s mind is very very essential.

I’d really wonder why Jesus would say “go and sin no more”

Or why He didn’t just use belief as the basis to separate the sheeps from the goats.

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Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 9:18pm On Nov 12
Praivit0:





So you mean the early believers had copies of the scriptures from Genesis to revelation in all assemblies?

Are you trying to say there was nothing like the epistle of Barnabas in the early church?

Since you said Jude quoted Enoch by inspiration of the Spirit, Did Jude also quote Peter by inspiration of the Spirit?,
Was it also the Holy Ghost that inspired you to say the BOE was a copycat project?

Stop confusing yourself with the opinion of men. As many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

I don't listen to so called teachings of truth from people like you, cos you're confused. When you've learnt enough yourself, then you can come and teach me.




When they’re ready to tell us what the book of Enoch was doing alongside other scriptures in the ancient Dead Sea scrolls discovered at Qumran in 1948, they can keep on wallowing in their ignorance.

As for Ihedinobi, telling us God’s word is the 66 books and yet turning around to tell us Mark 16 v 8-20 is not the word of God is surely another sign of confusion.

How can someone boldly tell us the Holy Spirit withheld some of his gifts (tongues, prophecies, e.t.c) from the church?

It’s funny to be honest. Sheer unbelief.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 9:10pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
the post was an example.

You said I had to go to Saudi Arabia to break their laws first before facing the consequences.

Relate that with what we were discussing about Rahab.

Was she living with the Israelites while prostituting? That would have been a different thing altogether

Numbers 15 v 15-16;
15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.

16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.


As you can see from the scriptures above, it’s pointless stoning Rahab to death over a law she was never under. She was living at Jericho with her people prior to the Jewish invasion.

The scripture made it clear whom the Mosaic Law was meant for. The gentile nations were never under the law to start with. The blessings and curses of the law was a covenant with the Jews, and not the entire world.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 9:04pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
helping the messenger imply she had knowledge of this law. she wouldn't help someone who condemned what she loves most

Humor me some more. Showing mercy to the Jewish spies would also imply she was aware she shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed materials, sow different seeds in the same vineyard, abstain from “unclean” animals e.t.c

In fact, showing mercy to the Jewish spies implied she knew the 613 laws of Moses by heart.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 8:57pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
yes, she never went back,but the good deed was done when she was a prostitute.

Did she repent? Yes or no.

Then go back to my first post on this thread.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 8:55pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
is she unaware that prostitution is wrong ? smh

Good question, did the laws and customs of her land outlaw prostitution?

The land of Canaan for example where Temple prostitution was deeply entrenched in their culture, how would someone raised in such a background see such as something wrong?
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 8:53pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
he mater tire me. because he is not under sharia law, let him go to Saudi Arabia and break there law , may be his only defence , he is not under sharia law despite the fact that he has knowledge of this law.

Now I know reasoning is really a problem for you.

So when Rahab was at Jericho living as prostitute, she was under the Mosaic law that should stone her to death abi?

Read the bolded part of your quote and add your 1 + 1 again.


Why should Rahab a gentile be stoned to death for a law she was never under?
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 8:50pm On Nov 12
Malvisguy212 the major thing is Rahab never went back to her prostituting ways after her encounter at Jericho. That’s the repentance.

She married Salmon from the tribe of Judah and ended up as the mother of Boaz.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 8:41pm On Nov 12
MuttleyLaff:
Repeating the same thing, like as if he is a broken vinyl record, is his modus operandi annoying special strategy to wear you out.

Jesusjnr, see this apostle of “God has nothing against homosexuality per se” trying hard to make himself relevant here.

So sad, to belittle himself even at his age.

Pathetic

I wonder how someone will read the bible and tell us a gentile should be stoned to death over something she’s unaware of.

It’s as illogical as judging a Christian with the Sharia law to determine such an individual is law abiding.
Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 8:33pm On Nov 12
Ihedinobi3:

A book of Jashar was quoted in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18, but I see no reason to believe that it is the same as the book you are so crazy for. Why should I believe that they are the same? Also, the book mentioned in the Bible was not quoted by the Bible at all, nor was it endorsed by the Bible as inspired at all. So, even if that that book exists today and is accessible, we have no reason to believe that it is inspired. As for filling gaps in the Bible, I'm sure you are free to believe in such fictions, if you please.

As for being scared of other books, I'm not sure how I have communicated such a thing, although it is certainly wise to be wary of anything that is not afraid of pretending to be words of God. It is a terrible thing to put words in God's Mouth. Those who do it have a very bad end waiting for them. So, I would be very happy to not be in their midst. None of that means that I haven't read books like the Book of Enoch. In fact, I sampled it a bit just for the conversations here. Growing up, we had a Catholic Bible at home that had the Apocrypha in it. I did try to read them, and I got deep enough into them to wonder why they were even in the Bible, and I was a kid then. I don't remember anyone telling me that anything was wrong with having those extra books then, but it was clear to me that they were different from the other books. So, try to stick with what you actually know to be true so that you don't make bogus claims.

As for letting anyone do this or that, I am sure that I have said it multiple times that anyone who wants to can read anything they want. I don't even care if you want to write stuff and call it Scripture too. That's your own business. But if you try to persuade the children of God that have been given to me to protect that it is Scripture, then I will oppose you. Even so, I fully recognize that I can't stop even those in my charge from reading things that will only harm their faith in the Lord. So, there is no "letting" or "preventing" happening here except in your own head. I'm not stopping you or anyone from reading whatever you want to read. I can't even stop you from pretending that it is Scripture. But you cannot persuade me or anyone who is willing to listen to me to join you in that madness.

You are right that the taste of the pudding is in the eating. You can tell if something is inspired by reading it, but if we must read everything before we can be sure what is inspired and what is not, then we will never be sure what "all the Truth" that the Holy Spirit is supposed to lead us into is (John 16:13). Thankfully, we don't have to read everything to know what is inspired. As I told you in another post, Scripture was known as it was being written. From that time on, it was collected together and distributed authoritatively. We have today the literature that believers received from Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles and preserved for us to learn from too. We know not only that it is all Scripture, but also that it is complete. Anything outside of those 66 books and letters may be illuminating for understanding them, for example, the writings of pastor-teachers, but nothing else is Scripture at all. If you want to pretend that it is just because there are so many books in the world, some of them fraudulently bearing names and titles stolen from the Bible, that is really your own kettle of fish. It's not the believer's problem at all.

You are like many others on here that I have met and discussed with. You know very little of Truth, but you take that little and foul it up with a vast amount of lies that essentially lead you into perdition and then proceed to make yourself a stumbling block to those who believe. I am not on your side, because you really do not believe the Bible at all. You make stuff up and you listen to made-up stuff that you proceed to try to mix into what the Bible actually says, and it is a very heady mix that drops you straight into Apostasy. So, yes, I do believe the Bible, but you clearly don't. That is why you want to put words in God's Mouth.

If you really believe, as you say, that the Bible is more than enough, you should quit adding stuff to it. As I have said, if fiction is your thing, by all means, enjoy it, but don't call it Scripture just because you like it. If you love God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, not only will you respect Them enough to not put words in Their Mouth, but you will also care for the welfare of Their Church and not put believers bought with precious Blood at spiritual risk with lies.

As I said, I don't see any reason why anyone would claim that the Book of Enoch is inspired at all. It is obviously a work of fiction that pretends to have something to do with Jude.

Not sure what your last paragraph means.

Edited.

The BoE was a work of fiction found in the ancient Dead Sea scrolls alongside other scriptures at Qumran.


Wehdone
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 8:31pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
you are not qualify to discuss this topic. anyway you tried. thank you for your time. stay bless.


Deflection deflection deflection.

No wahala bro. Do enjoy your day.
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 6:56pm On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
this will be my last post on this thread.

in James 2 , it is very clear that James audience has the same mind set as you guys. James use rahab the prostitute to illustrate his point, a shame to people who claimed to be save. James audience thought that good work will earn them eternal life, so James ask this question :
James 2:25-26 In the same way, was not even Rahab
the prostitute CONSIDERED RIGHTEOUS for what
she did when she gave lodging to the spies
and sent them off in a different direction?
As the body without the spirit is dead, so
faith without deeds is dead.

wasn't rehab the worst ? ( a prostitute ) how then was she considered righteous by this Jews ? was she justified by faith ? or work ? if you claimed that you have done good deed that will earn you eternal life, rahab the prostitute has done far greater.


How is a person saved? “For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.” Salvation is a gift. It is free (paid for by the blood of Christ). All the sinner needs to do is to receive that gift by faith.

a believer must performed Good work to show the evidence of his Faith. work in this context is not the kind of work that will earn you eternal life, you do Good work because you are save.

James 2:3-4 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or
“Sit on the floor by my feet,” have you not
discriminated among yourselves and become
judges with evil thoughts?

this passage show the kind of work James had in mind.

You are still shifting goalpost to something else.

Why should Rahab be stoned to death over a law she was not under?

It’s synonymous to judging a Christian with the Sharia law to determine whether such a person is law abiding.

On what grounds should Rahab the gentile be stoned to death?
Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 6:13pm On Nov 12
Ihedinobi3:

No kidding. The English Bibles were the earliest manuscripts?
I'm saying that some foreign elements that are not truly part of the Bible were inserted into the text over the time that we have had the Bible.
And I'm saying that everything after verse 8 in Mark 16 is not part of the Bible.

https://www.nairaland.com/5368368/jesus-saw-same-drawn-eight/3#81457083


Is this what your fingers are finding quite heavy to type here?

You clearly don't believe Mark 16 v 8-20 is also the word of God, despite it being part of the 66 books you brandish in our faces as the complete word of God.

Neither do you believe certain gifts of the Spirit such as prophecy, tongues e.t.c. are no longer active in the church and in the life of believers today.
Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 5:56pm On Nov 12
Ihedinobi3:

Per the first part of your post, I already answered this and all your other similar tantrums here: https://www.nairaland.com/5450889/why-book-enoch-removed-bible/12#83379471.

As for the second part of your post, I already answered them here: https://www.nairaland.com/5368368/jesus-saw-same-drawn-eight/5#81469073, and in similar comments on the same thread. Also, there are these two examples in the Bible among a vast number of other proofs that Satanic miracles can be just as convincing as divine ones sometimes:

[8]Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying,
[9]"When Pharaoh speaks to you, saying, 'Work a miracle,' then you shall say to Aaron, 'Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh, that it may become a serpent.'"
[10]So Moses and Aaron came to Pharaoh, and thus they did just as the Lord had commanded; and Aaron threw his staff down before Pharaoh and his servants, and it became a serpent.
[11]Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts.
[12]For each one threw down his staff and they turned into serpents. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs.

Exodus 7:8-12 NASB

[16]It happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortune-telling.
Acts 16:16 NASB

As for your other post, on the thread I quoted from above, you will also find a conversation you and I had about that. I know you don't care either, but you should know that I won't let you waste my time and energy again on this board.

Simple question, you’re still beating around the bush.

Revelations/prophecies from God given to those with a gift of prophecy in our time. Are these also the words of God? Yes or no.


Is Mark 16 v 17-20 also part of the words of God?


Put your answers here.
Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 4:47pm On Nov 12
Ihedinobi3 is Mark 16 v 17-20 also part of the inspired words of God?


Mark 16 v 17-20;
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen
Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 4:40pm On Nov 12
Ihedinobi3:

I'm afraid I don't see how you have been speaking with any less authority with your very large claims and no proof.

As for your claims about Enoch's nationality, neither your argument about language nor your appeal to the book of Jasher is any kind of reasonable proof. For the first, the Bible is clear that God created nations only in response to the Tower of Babel debacle in Genesis 11. The people that existed before that time were never called a nation or Hebrews. We are not even told what the language they all spoke was. Of course, it is my thinking too that it was very likely Hebrew because of Isaiah 19:18, but that is not at all proof that anybody who existed before Abraham was any kind of Hebrew. The nation Israel did not exist then because nations did not exist then (see also Genesis 12:2).

For the second, I might as well quote Alexander Fleming or Ghandi or Buddha to prove that something that the Bible does not say at all is true. Why should it matter to me what your book of Jasher says? Did God inspire it? If it says that the Hebrew nation existed before God created nations, then it most definitely contradicts Genesis, since Moses wrote that the nations only came into existence after Nimrod's rebellion with the Tower of Babel (Genesis 10:32; cf. Genesis 11:1-9), which occurred a century after the Flood, for that matter.

As for the angels that Peter spoke of, they were those that took human women in Genesis 6 to produce the Nephilim with. That was their sin. They, like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, "went after strange flesh." It was the Lord God Himself Who had them chained up in the Abyss for that wickedness. Moses, Peter, and Jude witness to this. I don't need an extrabiblical source to help me believe or understand it.

As for the canonization of the books of the Bible, I did make this comment that it suited you to ignore, so I don't see the sense in answering you again here. I think that, just like your comrade OkCornel, you care nothing for whether you lie or tell the truth as long as you can seduce and bully others into your rebellion against the Lord. If this were not true, I'm sure you would give more attention to the claims that you make and make sure that they are actually true.

I'm not sure what your comments about churches are about. I don't believe that I have said anything in that regard here.

As for reading, by all means do. It is always best to read the Bible, that is, actual Scripture, not merely pretend Scripture, though. So, although I have read a lot of things and still do, the Bible decides for me what is true and what is false. I don't pretend to the ability to tell what is true and what is false without the help of the Bible. So, I lean very heavily on the Bible to say anything that I say. I certainly don't demand that you believe the Bible. Believe it, if you want. Don't, if you prefer. It's your gain and your loss, not mine.

As for all your accusations of arrogance, saying that no one has the monopoly of knowledge is just a sneaky way of trying to hide all your own claims to that monopoly. Are you not the one who has been mocking "us" (whoever you meant by "you guys" ) for not reading like you? Your great knowledge from books is apparently supposed to be emulated by "us," not least because it is just as "Yeshua" was. I am almost never surprised or deceived by your likes with your accusations of arrogance while you yourself are being unspeakably arrogant and your claims to knowledge when you are abominable ignorant.

Interesting to note you didn’t point out where God, Jesus or the Apostles pegged God’s words to a set of books.

Your standard is “feeling life” in those books.

Feelings.


An eternal God who has been in existence and speaking to men before ink and paper was invented suddenly has all His words limited to a set of books.

Greatest joke ever.

I wonder what you will call prophecies/revelations from God given to those with the gift of prophecy in our time that came to pass. Since these are not canonised, they’re not the words of God too abi?

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Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 2:36pm On Nov 12
God never limited His words to a set of books. It was man that did so.


I’m pressed to ask which “Bible” Adam, Enoch, Abraham, Isaac or Jacob read in their walk with God.


I’m further pressed to ask where Jesus and the Apostles put a limit to the words of God to a certain set of books.
Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by OkCornel(m): 2:31pm On Nov 12
Ihedinobi3:

About Enoch, I agree completely with you and thank you kindly for clarifying.

As for reading additional info, the trouble, I suppose, is how to know that the information that you are reading is actually true if it is not in the Bible. Those who are arguing so vociferously for the Book of Enoch here and elsewhere claim that the age of the book and the fact that it was read by early believers prove that it is reliable. Neither of these claims are either sufficient or necessarily true. But my point for raising them with you is that Enoch is a part of the story that God tells us in the Bible. Where then could anybody get any more information about him outside the Bible?

Enoch was of the seventh generation from Adam, which means that anything that he may have written or which may have been written contemporaneously about him is unlikely to have survived this long. That is without even accounting for the worldwide Flood of Noah's Day. Assuming that human beings had begun to write during Enoch's time so that any information about him was written then, Noah would have had to preserve it from the Flood. Then generations after him would have had to preserve that writing in the changed physical conditions of the world since that time. None of these things is very probable or particularly possible without the Lord's Own Involvement.

In fact, the Lord was not concerned with preserving anything for us that way. His Plan was to give us the Truth through the nation Israel, so the first time that the Truth was written down for preservation for believers was when Moses wrote the Pentateuch at God's Command. Moses, just like Jude later on, was given revelations of the past to write about Enoch. He didn't learn about Enoch merely from any previously written sources. How do we know that? Because the Bible makes quite clear to us that Moses wrote what God told Him or showed Him (Exodus 24:4; 34:1; Deuteronomy 31:9, 22). The nation Israel began only through Abraham who was the first Hebrew (the sign of circumcision that marked out the Hebrew was given when Abraham was 99). Enoch was not a Hebrew or a Jew, as someone here has claimed, nor was Noah, nor, in fact, any patriarch before Abraham. Abraham was the first.

So, how could we possibly have any additional information about Enoch outside the Bible? Honestly, I can't see how. Clearly, the Book of Enoch was not written by Enoch - those who are making so much noise about it here admit that it wasn't written before 300 BC, and Enoch lived around 4000 BC. The book does present itself as written by Enoch too, so how could it have been written so much later than Enoch lived? But they don't care that they are lying. As for any other source of information about Enoch, it must of necessity be prophetic, since, as I have said, no writing could have survived so long from Enoch to us without God's Own Involvement, and if God was involved in preserving it, it would be part of the Bible, but it isn't, because it isn't God-breathed at all, which also means that it isn't prophetic at all (2 Peter 1:20-21).

Please understand me. I am not insisting that you agree with me. I am just explaining what I believe to be true. You are free to reject what I say.

What I can say for Enoch is that the Lord made a point of noting him to encourage believers who will live to see the Second Advent. He was a demonstration of the living Resurrection (not that he was resurrected, no, he was only translated, but he was a demonstration to us of the Lord's Power to exclude physical death for believers). This is important because believers of Enoch's Day knew that physical death was part of our punishment from the Lord, but they very likely had no idea what would happen to those who lived and believed until the Return of the Lord to retake the Earth from Satan. It is significant to note that both his translation and the only prophecy attributed to him by the Bible point to the Second Advent. That was what the Lord wanted us to see about him. It is not wise then to go beyond what is written in the Bible because then we would lose the precious truth that the Lord is graciously giving to us through Enoch's example.

Which of the Bibles are you referring to?

The one that pegged God’s words at 66 books?
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 6:10am On Nov 12
malvisguy212:
so as you know what is right and wrong, you stand condemned. Gentile idolatry is condemned as sin by the prophets of God Exodus 20:3-5;
32:35; Numbers 25:1-9. is idolatry not under the mosaic law ?

Was Rahab under the mosaic law? that she should be stoned to death ni?

I also gave you the example of Judah that fornicated with Tamar, you conveniently side stepped that question to run to idolatry. Please why shouldn't Judah and Tamar be stoned to death? or what they did was not wrong?
Religion / Re: Which Of These Two Sounds Like Good News To You? by OkCornel(m): 11:59pm On Nov 11
malvisguy212:
are you implying that God has no interest for the gentile? because adultery is under the mosaic law mean the gentile can commit adultery ? rehab had knowledge of this law so she stand condemned. or because you okcornel is a gentile mean you can commit adultery ?

And Jonah’s missionary endeavor to the people of Nineveh in fare away Assyria is a delightful illustration of the Lord’s interest in Gentile people , even while the main focus remained upon the nation of Israel. so long as you reject what is right, you stand condemned.

Nah nah nah, you're shifting the goalpost to something else here. You said Rahab deserved to be stoned to death ACCORDING TO THE LAW.

Were the gentiles ever under the Mosaic Law in the first place? Did Rahab partake in the oath to be bound according to the blessings and curses of the Law?

As regards your other questions, man was conscious of good and evil ever since Adam & Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge of good and evil did not start with the 10 commandments or the mosaic law. Cain did not need any 10 commandments before he got to know killing Abel was wrong.

Let's move on to Judah who committed "fornication" with Tamar who later gave birth to twins. Judah and Tamar were never under the Law, does it then make sense to "stone them to death" for such an act?

The Mosaic Law, it's blessings, curses and penalties were applicable to the Jews right from when those instructions were given. All the 613 instructions.

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