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christistruth01:
Yes Ahmadu Kurfi saw Gen Ironsi with Ifeajuna and Ifeajuna ran to the East and had another's meeting with Okpara the Premier of the East instead of Eliminating him like he did with PM Balewa

Paste the screenshot where Kurfi said he saw Ironsi and Ifeajuna together shortly after Balewa was kidnapped.

christistruth01:
Go and read Ahmadu Kurfi's Biography the whole Story is there

Gen David Ejoor even met Ironsi drinking Tea with Biscuits while the whole country was looking for PM Balewa

Ok so Ironsi was drinking tea and biscuits rather than engaging a dry fast till Balewa is released.

Has the story changed to drinking tea and eating biscuits instead of discussing with Ifeajuna shortly after Balewa was kidnapped? 🤷

christistruth01:
Go and read Ahmadu Kurfi's Biography the whole Story is there

If Kurfi truly saw Ironsi and Ifeajuna together shortly after Balewa was kidnapped, you would have pasted the screenshot here since.

Just own up and tell us that never happened.

T9ksy:
Yeah, even though Ironsi had no concrete evidence like the likes of Ademoyega's, ifejuanna's et al but you had no qualms listing banjo as a Jan. 15th coup plotter.

If you don't know whose side Banjo fought for during the civil war, I guess you need to go and do some more research on the civil war. Anyway, what has that got to do with the fact that, even in the absence of irrefutable evidence, you were very quick to list Banjo, as a Jan. 15th coupist.

Why was Banjo arrested?🤷
Whose side was he on during the civil war? 🤷

Perhaps he was wrongly imprisoned by his fellow officers?

Reno would do a splendid job for the NOA and the Nigerian brand.

How is it an “Igbo” coup if the Igbos were almost 66% of the middle ranked officers in the army prior to the 1966 coup?

By default, most of the coup plotters would be of Igbo origin 🤷

Also, there were a lot of Northern officers who willingly followed Kaduna Nzeogwu’s lead in the Northern coup.

The “Igbo” coup myth can only be dispelled by the naked truth.

christistruth01:
It was Jan15 1966

Really?

https://www.al-habib.info/islamic-calendar/global/global-islamic-calendar-year-1966-ce.htm

Can you now show us where Kurfi mentioned Ironsi and Ifeajuna were seen together AFTER BALEWA WAS KIDNAPPED as you earlier mentioned?

Brenbentondiaz:
And for not heeding your so called "intelligence" reports, only military and civil leaders of other regions needed to be sacrificed, while all Igbo civil and military leaders were allowed to "escape", right? Imagine if that coup had been carried out by Yoruba soldiers and 2 Igbo leaders and 10 Hausa leaders were killed, you guys would still say it was targeted at the Igbo leaders (by you guys' nature of victim complex). Not to talk of what happened in 1966.

Is Unegbe no longer Igbo? 🤷

The Eastern Premier - Michael Okpara was placed under house arrest during the 1966 coup.

The officer in charge of the coup for that region - Lt. Oguchi happened to lean on the moderate side of imprisoning corrupt officials, rather than killing them.

Unlike the extremists in the West and North region.

That being said, all the top politicians were well informed of the coup plot and had ample time to escape.

Guess the ones who acted on the intelligence report and escaped? 🤷

By all accounts,Nzeogwu was the only one who had genuine intentions to kill all politicians irrespective of their ethnic origin. I can’t say same for the other coupists.

Nzeogwu was regarded in high regard even by non-Igbo military leaders and officers.

Even after he was killed during the civil war, he was given a befitting burial with full honours by Gowon and the Nigerian government. This was at the early stage of the civil war.

christistruth01:
So you don't even know it was during the Ramadan fast that the Jan 1966 Coup happened?

So what are you disturbing us for if you didn't bother to read up on the Coup?!!!

We suspected you were arguing over what you knew very little about and you just confirmed it!!

Thanks for letting us know the coup happened during the Ramadan and not Sallah. The article mentioned Sallah, not Ramadan. No shift goalpost abeg.

Do a google search and tell us when Sallah happened in 1966

Can you now show us where Ironsi and Ifeajuna were seen together AFTER BALEWA WAS KIDNAPPED as you earlier mentioned?

christistruth01:
Don't cut the chase
Just list the names of the killers and their victims

Read my post again.

I clearly mentioned Unegbe was the only victim of Igbo origin in the coup.

Kaduna Nzeogwu (a detribalised patriot) clearly mentioned Ironsi, Nwafor Orizu, Azikiwe, The Eastern Premier were marked for elimination as well.

The coupists down south messed up. Fucking tribal drunks

christistruth01:
Read it yourself
https://dailytrust.com/the-1966-military-coup/

Guy read the article.

Did the coup happen around Sallah?

How was it possible for Ironsi and Ifeajuna to be seen AFTER BALEWA WAS KIDNAPPED on January 12 1966 as you earlier mentioned?!

Abi Sallah in 1966 was in January? 🤷

[quote author=christistruth01 post=133871525][/quote]Did that article state Ironsi and Ifeajuna were seen together AFTER BALEWA WAS KIDNAPPED as you earlier mentioned?

[quote author=christistruth01 post=133871525][/quote]Paste the link let me go through the article

christistruth01:
List the names of all the Killers first and their victims

Of course you will run away rather than do it

1. Are you ready to show us where Kurfi mentioned he saw Ironsi and Ifeajuna together after Balewa was kidnapped?

christistruth01:
List the names of all the Killers first and their victims

Of course you will run away rather than do it

Let’s cut the chase and go straight to the point.

Unegbe was the only casualty of Igbo origin in the coup.

The coup was successful in the North primarily due to Nzeogwu - an upright and influential soldier.

The coup down south was a flop. Especially in the south east.

Nzeogwu was furious, he planned to march down south to finish the job until Ironsi intervened, negiotiated and eventually arrested him.

You might want to read up on Nzeogwu, he wasn’t a tribalist unlike the drunkards that messed up in Lagos.

T9ksy:
Yet, you had no problem, including Banjo in the same breathe as ademoyega as part of the Jan. 15th coup.

Of course, Ironsi was acting on an intelligence report however, not as being part of the Jan. 15th coup

Not my problem Banjo was arrested on suspicion of being a coup plotter.

Remind me whose side he fought on during the civil war.

Benwallt:
Huh!

Una go dey alright. You that believed that Buhari is Jibril elsudani. I rest my fingers

At the bolded, provide evidence where I ever said this, unless you love lying.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/11/15/more-troubles-for-tinubu-as-deloitte-denies-having-records-of-his-employment/?amp

christistruth01:
Ahmed Kurfi definitely saw Ifeajuna with Gen Ironsi in the state house

Can you provide the link to the interview where Ahmed Kurfi said this please?

Thanks.

christistruth01:
If you like say Gen Ironsi wasn't Igbo

https://femifanikayode.org/1966-coup-was-igbo-coup/

Was Femi Fani Kayode part of the coup plotters? 🤷

So Femi Fani Kayode who was 6 years old or so when the coup happened has a more accurate position than Major Ademoyega who was involved in the January 1966 coup?

Nice logic there.

By the way, do a little bit of research and tell us which ethnic group had the most middle ranked officers as at the time of January 1966 coup. I’m eagerly waiting.

Benwallt:
Read again

Deloitte doesn’t have any employment record of Bola Ahmed Tinubu.

T9ksy:
Yeah, i know he was imprisoned by Ironsi but there was no hard irrefutable evidence, that he was among the Jan. 15th coup plotters. None of the known coup plotters fingered him as one of them nor did he participated in the coup, itself. So, why then did Ironsi jailed in the east with rest?

Not sure to be honest. Unless he was acting on an intelligence report or someone who snitched on Banjo.

That being said, no cold hard concrete evidence I know of identifying Banjo as a January 1966 coup plotter.

christistruth01:
Ahmed Kurfi definitely said it
I may have posted the wrong interview


You can have this instead
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/1966-

This link isn’t an interview with Ahmed Kurfi.

This is an interview granted by Mbazulike Amaechi where nothing remotely resembles what you wrote on Ahmed Kurfi’s claim to have seen Ifeajuna and Ironsi together after Balewa was kidnapped.

T9ksy:
Do you have any proof that Banjo was part of the Jan 15th, coup plot?

No cold hard evidence he was involved.

He was imprisoned as a coup plotter by Ironsi

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Banjo

christistruth01:
Alhaji Ahmed Kurfi a Northern Civil Servant
went to the State House after Sardauna ,Akintola and others had been murdered to see Ironsi about the missing PM Balewa only for him to find Gen Ironsi in a meeting with the very same Ifeajuna who had just kidnapped prime Minister Balewa from his bedroom in the presence of his screaming wives and Children .


If you were Ahmed Kurfi what would you have done in such a Treacherous situation?

https://dailytrust.com/alhaji-ahmadu-kurfi-89-grateful-for-long-life/

At the bolded, I’m still asking - where did Ahmed Kurfi say that in his interview?

christistruth01:
Search and read Gen David Ejoor interview on Max Siollun History Website

I’ve mentioned earlier on this thread. David Ejoor was not one of the coup plotters.

Ademoyega was one of the coup plotters. In his book “Why we struck”, did he mention anywhere that the January 1966 coup is an Igbo coup?

Between Ademoyega (a coupist) and Ejoor (an outsider and potential victim of the coup plot), whose accounts is more accurate? 🤷

christistruth01:
Gen Ironsi was involved in the Coup

Where did the intelligence report identify Ironsi as a coup plotter? That is the cold hard evidence I’m looking for.

Also look out for the words “PERHAPS BECAUSE” - that already makes it speculative and the personal opinion of the author. This is basic English.

See what the author wrote here:

“These soundings were most likely the source of intelligence reports that are said to have reached the ministry of defence late in November 1965. They were passed on to the Prime Minister who was not inclined to take them seriously, PERHAPS BECAUSE (speculative opinion of the author), Ironsi played down on their importance.

christistruth01:
Alhaji Ahmed Kurfi a Northern Civil Servant
went to the State House after Sardauna ,Akintola and others had been murdered to see Ironsi about the missing PM Balewa only for him to find Gen Ironsi in a meeting with the very same Ifeajuna who had just kidnapped prime Minister Balewa from his bedroom in the presence of his screaming wives and Children .


If you were Ahmed Kurfi what would you have done in such a Treacherous situation?

https://dailytrust.com/alhaji-ahmadu-kurfi-89-grateful-for-long-life/

At the bolded, I just read the article. Where did Ahmed Kurfi say that?

See Kurfi’s narrative of the events below:

Kurfi was also the deputy permanent secretary at the Ministry of Defence during the 1966 coup and recounted how he narrowly escaped death.

“My minister and permanent secretary then went overseas, I was in charge when the coup occurred. That night, the acting inspector general of police, Mr Kamsalem, late Hamman Maiduguri was the commissioner of police in Lagos. They came to my house about 2-3 am, woke me up, and told me that they heard that the Prime Minister had been kidnapped, Minister of Defence is not here, since they said it was soldiers that did it, you are the only some that can do something about it,” he said.

“So I really do know it was strange then to see soldiers behaving that way, so I told them I have school mates who are in the army. There was one then who was in charge of the southern brigade, the country has two brigade then, the first in Kaduna and the second in Lagos, it was Maimalari , he was one year ahead of me, there was Kuru Mohammed, Yakubu Pam, some of them were in Ikoyi, I said okay , let us go see what is happening,

“We took off in separate cars, because it dawned on us that there is danger, we went to Maimalari’s house, the day before the coup, there was a party he gave over his new bride. By the time we got there, there was no light, in the front of the house there was no sentry, which was unlike in the military setting, no guards, I noticed something like a dead body in the house, and it completely dawned on me that there is something wrong.

“After seeing this in those days, I should have gone into hiding but I didn’t, so we moved Yakubu Pam, a Berom from Plateau, from same class with Gen Hassan Usman, they are one year behind us. It was quite also, as I was leaving his wife spotted me and called me back weeping telling me some soldiers that normally come weekends for pepper soup have come and taken away my husband. I stayed a while consoling her she told me that when the soldiers came she telephoned Ironsi, who when he got this information, ran away too.

“I could remember Abogo Largema, a classmate also, was in charge of a battalion in Ibadan, he also was there at the party, they thought all of us will be at the party so that they can come and kill all of us, including myself. I knew he was at Ikoyi Hotel, so I went there. At the reception, by that time I had called, it Col. Samson Siasia who said if I wanted Abogo I should go to the police. I sensed trouble there also, as I was driving away there was a classmate of mine, not a soldier, he was staying upstairs in Ikoyi, he called me back, asking me what is happening saying some soldiers came, killed that man Abogo and put his body in a truck, and drove away. I missed this by five minutes. If I had not stopped at Yakubu Pam’s house, they would have finished me because they were looking for me also for my suggestion that there should be quota system in recruitment.”

christistruth01:
https://maxsiollun./2009/04/17/igbo-soldiers-plotted-coup-from-independence-day-ejoor/


https://maxsiollun./2009/04/17/igbo-soldiers-plotted-coup-from-independence-day-ejoor/

These links are not going through.

Major Ademoyega and Banjo are not Igbos.

See the roles of Northern officers in the coup too.
https://www.nairaland.com/8325556/january-15-1966-arthur-unegbe/4#133863924

christistruth01:
Gen Ironsi was involved in the Coup

Where did it state Ironsi was involved in the coup?

Deadlytruth:
When he set out to "foil" the coup, did he order any change of formation in the military? When he ordered troops to go fight Isaac Adaka Boro and arrest him, did he first change any formation in the military across the country?

Change of military formation is a preventive measure to foil a coup.

Commanding the troops (a reactive measure) to crush a mutiny does not require changes in military formation.

For the umpteenth time, can you show us any intelligence report identifying Ironsi as a coup plotter?

I want cold hard evidence, not your sentiments.

Deadlytruth:
Are you suggesting that a Grand Commander of a country's military institution who got intelligence report about a mutiny in the offing by his subordinates shouldn't have immediately taken decisive action to preempt the mutiny but wait till the mutiny actually happened before taking action? What then is the essence of an intelligence report?

So the intelligence report did not identify Ironsi as a coup plotter?

Deadlytruth:
What mattered most was that any military officer regardless of rank knows that a coup plot is always meant to topple the government and distabilize the country and possibly come with bloodshed of innocent people. So Ironsi didn't need to know the names of the coup plotters from his intelligence report before deploying troops to the residences of those at the top power echelons for protection. So the troubling question remains: what exactly stopped Ironsi from beefing up security around the prime minister, the Senate president, the president and the four regional premiers immediately he received that intelligence report despite knowing fully well that those occupying those offices must be the prime targets of any attempt by anyone or group, be they civilians or soldiers, to topple the government of the day? Why warn the civilian prime minister and civilian regional premiers about a coup about to happen? What exactly was he expecting them to do about it better than he himself the overall GOC of the very coupists (whether he knew them or not) would have done to protect the civilians in power? Think about this with an open mind and you will realize that Ironsi wasn't very clean as far as the whole coup thing was concerned.

At the bolded, do you have any intelligence report indicting Ironsi as a coup plotter? Or is this just your opinion?

I need evidence, not sentiments and personal opinions.