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christistruth01:
Thank you!!
The Police Intelligence informed Gen Ironsi that a Coup was being planned by Nzeogwu,Ifeajuna,Onwategwu and 2 other of the Coupist which the police had identified the Police asked Gen Ironsi to Arrest them as the police believed they had enough evidence to nail them but only Ironsi as head of the Army could have them arrested



Gen Ironsi did nothing for the entire two weeks until Jan 15 1966 because he too was part of the Coup


Let me tell you another one

Brig Ademuleguns Military Guards were changed in the Middle of the night without his knowledge
Only Gen Ironsi had authority to do that even the PM didn't have that authority because Ademulegun was GOC of Battalion 1 Division a highly important Division In Case of any attack on the country!!!

christistruth01:
Thank you!!
The Police Intelligence informed Gen Ironsi that a Coup was being planned by Nzeogwu,Ifeajuna,Onwategwu and 2 other of the Coupist which the police had identified the Police asked Gen Ironsi to Arrest them as the police believed they had enough evidence to nail them but only Ironsi as head of the Army could have them arrested



Gen Ironsi did nothing for the entire two weeks until Jan 15 1966 because he too was part of the Coup


Let me tell you another one

Brig Ademuleguns Military Guards were changed in the Middle of the night without his knowledge
Only Gen Ironsi had authority to do that even the PM didn't have that authority because Ademulegun was GOC of Battalion 1 Division a highly important Division In Case of any attack on the country!!!

APCHaram:
The E-Branch would have shared such Inteligence to Ironsi as well so that's why you should not credit Ironsi for informing the PM.

Both the PM and Ironsi plus the IG of Police knew there was a coup plot brewing based on the Inteligence report carried out by the E-Branch.


Stop crediting Ironsi for anything.

If at all, Ironsi refusal to reign in his officers and fish out the coupists exposes his connivance in the plot.

APCHaram:
When you think you guys can't get any low you show the world how despicably evil you are.

From trying to exonerate Ironsi in his obvious complicity in staging and orchestrating that coup,you have gone down the desperate path of blaming the innocent PM of not taking action to weed the military of its mutinous officers .

So why did Ironsi not carry any action on his own as head of the army ?

Are the troops under the PM or Ironsi ?


You see howl you guys keep digging yourselves deeper into your grave of lies?

APCHaram:
The PM does not have such powers. The PM can only do such with Parliament's approval.

Can a British PM declare war or order troop depolyments without both Houses of Parliament approval and that of the Sovereign head of England's final nod?

The Prime minister did not have CnC in his designation like an executive President.

APCHaram:
The E-Branch would have shared such Inteligence to Ironsi as well so that's why you should not credit Ironsi for informing the PM.

Both the PM and Ironsi plus the IG of Police knew there was a coup plot brewing based on the Inteligence report carried out by the E-Branch.


Stop crediting Ironsi for anything.

If at all, Ironsi refusal to reign in his officers and fish out the coupists exposes his connivance in the plot.

APCHaram:
Which orders?

The PM had no direct control of the military like the current civilian executive President..

So what was Ironsi job as head of the army ? Was he so clueless that after discovering a coup plot did nothing to stop it?

APCHaram:
Ok, let's indulge your new straw man argument.

What did Ironsi do as the CDS to fish out the coupists from his rank and file ?

Were the troops under the PM or Ironsi?

APCHaram:
Did the Sarduna not report to the police of suspicious troop movements around his residence in the dead of the night ?

The Police E-Branch was so good at sniffing out coups that after the General's coup that ousted Shagari , the new military leadership had to unbundle the E-Branch.

The E-Branch investigative report was what got Awo jailed for treason. The E branch even notified Gowon and later Murtala of a coup.

Even after being watered down by the military leadership of Buhari and IBB, the same E-Branch had notified IBB of the Okah coup after locating a warehouse in Ikorodu with a cache of military grade weapons.

The police and not Ironsi informed the PM.

APCHaram:
The Sarduna had whiff of it from observing unusual troop movements and had reported the matter to the police long before your Ironsi ever made such security report.

What action did Ironsi as Head of the military do to fish out the coup plotters ? Or did he expect the PM to do his job for him?

APCHaram:
The Sarduna had whiff of it from observing unusual troop movements and had reported the matter to the police long before your Ironsi ever made such security report.

What action did Ironsi as Head of the military do to fish out the coup plotters ? Or did he expect the PM to do his job for him?

raumdeuter:
Tell us the exact thing Ibo politicians did when they got this warning that the non Ibo politicians did not do

Balewa Akintola Bello were in their house just like Okpara Osadebey Orizu and Mbadiwe

Only the non Ibo politicians were hunted in their homes, the Ibo ones who were in their homes were all left alone

danvon:
What is the name of that book?

APCHaram:
Did the Sarduna not report to the police of suspicious troop movements around his residence in the dead of the night ?

The Police E-Branch was so good at sniffing out coups that after the General's coup that ousted Shagari , the new military leadership had to unbundle the E-Branch.

The E-Branch investigative report was what got Awo jailed for treason. The E branch even notified Gowon and later Murtala of a coup.

Even after being watered down by the military leadership of Buhari and IBB, the same E-Branch had notified IBB of the Okah coup after locating a warehouse in Ikorodu with a cache of military grade weapons.

The police and not Ironsi informed the PM.

raumdeuter:
Where did they flee to? Where did Okpara Osadebey Orizu, Mbadiwe flee to

APCHaram:
Stop this lie.

It was the Police E-Branch that had information on an impending coup and had alerted the PM on it.

Even the Sarduna knew about an impending coup days before it occured owing to Nzeagwu conducting troop movements in the dead of the night around the Sarduna's residence.the Sarduna had lodged an official compliant to the police and the same police had carried out a thorough investigation and even interrogated Nzeagwu on the reason for moving his troops in the dead of the night around the Sarduna's residence. Nzeagwu will lie that he was conducting military drills and excercise but the police didn't buy it and they duly sent a security report to the PM .

Stop lying and twisting facts.

raumdeuter:
What did Okpara Orizu, Mbadiwe Osadebey etc do to secure themselves? Why is it that its the non Ibo politicians who needed to secure themselves and not the Ibo ones?

You have indirectly told us that its the non Ibo politicians that were the target

raumdeuter:
This Ironsi warning, what did the Ibo politicians do about it?

iamnotillicit:
Why didn't ironsi protect him, that's the army chief of staff. Why were the plotters not attested before D-day, why were they not executed after the coup failed...?

Why allow Azikwe to travel

There are so many questions but I don't need any answers...

iamnotillicit:
He was never wrong for remaining in his house...

iamnotillicit:
Akintola and Bello were killed for being in their own houses...

raumdeuter:
Despite the alleged tip off, what actions did the Ibo politiicians take to act on it? Orizu, Wachukwu, Okpara Osadebey were all in the country and were not visited by coupists

Any reason?

danvon:
So that justifies Ironsi's takeover? It gave him the right to stage a coup?

danvon:
What is your point exactly? That it's the politicians fault they died?

Even Aguiyi Ironsi was informed of a coup attempt and he still died. Gowon was equally warned of a coup but he couldn't stop it. Murtala Mohammed was also warned of a coup but he still died.

From 1960 - 1997 the only leader who never had a coup attempt on him was Sani Abacha and that's because he fired, arrested and tried anybody on the tiniest suspicion and he even set coup traps to catch would be coup plotters. If the people who planned and executed coups couldn't prevent a coup against themselves, how much more Tafawa Balewa?

The best way to forestall a coup is to know the units involved and arrest or dismiss them, in that regard Aguiyi Ironsi warning was completely useless, the warning came 3 days to the actual coup with no valuable information.

Tafawa Balewa regime took proper security with the resources they had and the regime would have survived if Aguiyi Ironsi had done his duty and returned power back to them.

push23:
dimka coup was not successfuĺ

danvon:
They posted the 4th battalion to Lagos and Ibadan, the 4th battalion was made up of mostly Northerners, many of these Northerners were very loyal to the NPC.

Maimalari and Largema Pam the two highest ranking Northern officers were posted to Lagos.

They probably thought they didn't have to fear a coup in the North, since Northerners are their own people.

In the West, Akintola was armed and had apparently been anticipating an attack.

So they actually took security measures, and this played a big role in the failure of Ifeajuna coup in Lagos and Ibadan but it didn't account for Aguiyi Ironsi coup.

The only 'more' security measures they could take was to retire Aguiyi Ironsi and repost every single non Northern officer to the Eastern and Western region and think of the political consequences this would have.

No amount of security can help when the General of the Armed Forces is plotting a coup against you and the Prime Minister and President are absent.

EmperorCaesar:
You dey lie

Yet, my former Ondo state governor married Igbo and no one used that to campaign against him

Current Oyo first lady isnt even Yoruba
Osun Gov has an Igbo wife too and you wont hear shit






No one was attacked for marrying Easterner

My former first lady even tried to contest for the senate seat in her home state Imo and was denied by her people because she married a Yoruba Gov

Biance Ojukwu wasnt allowed to contest for Senate in Anambra cause shes from Enugu

You have bigger problems within yourself abeg

danvon:
If some people were placed on watchlist, you don't expect the security to make that knowledge public?

danvon:
A serious claim would be, Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna are plotting a coup against you.

Saying someone is plotting a coup against you by itself is very useless information.

I'm saying, the Awolowo coup accusation may have been a misinformation by the coup plotters, pointing Tafawa Balewa in the wrong direction.