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IhateYouMan:
The US and EU will cripple the Russian economy in no time. Watch this space.

They will be cautious of the kind of sanctions to impose on Russia. If the sanction is heavy, Russia will likely launch full invasion. If the sanctions are light. Russia will continue putting pressure on Ukraine, which will have negative effect on her economy. At the end she will have to drop the NATO membership ambition.

AmazonTopaz:
Thank you and no hard feelings. I am always open to different intellectual thoughts because life is beautiful because we don't always think alike and I respect that.
I can never know it all and I will always take corrections and learn where necessary.

Thank you and have a blessed week ahead.

I love constructive argue and that is what you gave me. I argue to learn and i have learnt few things today from you. Do have a great night!

AmazonTopaz:
Dictator Putin strikes again and this is nothing short of an invasion.

Some people do not see anything wrong with it they will support it because they are anti-west.

I am done with this topic I need to stop commenting on foreign politics here after all many nairalanders supported the twice impeached disgrace president so how can they even know better.

Mr dermmy I enjoy your perspectives on foreign politics I usually read your post and I will always be ready to be schooled by you.

I have nothing against democracy. I believe Russia will do the same thing that the US is doing right now if she is the sole dominant power in the world. Like China. They may even be worse. So i am strictly against unipolarism. The world is too big to have one master. The world needs masters. These masters will checkmates themselves and the world will be a better place.

AmazonTopaz:
I know and
NATO will in due time I am sure of that.

Thank you for the compliment

You welcome!

Kindly check this out...

Zelenszky was interview by Christine Amapour of CNN on Saturday.

The Ukrainian President told CNN that NATO partners needed to clarify a timeline on which the country could join the military alliance.



"Ukraine needs security guarantees," Zelensky said. "We are smart people, we are not narrow minded. We understand there are lots of different risks because of NATO, there is no consensus around other allies, everyone is saying there is some distance that we need to go between Ukraine and NATO that we need to walk. All we are saying is tell us how much time does it take to complete this distance?"



In earlier remarks to the conference, Zelensky posed a question asking why Ukraine had not been permitted to join NATO. "We are told the doors are open.. but the strangers are still not allowed," he said.



Moscow sees the growing support for Ukraine from NATO -- in terms of weaponry, training and personnel -- as a threat to its own security. Putin has also called for specific legal agreements that would rule out any further NATO expansion eastwards towards Russia's borders, saying the West has not lived up to its previous verbal assurances.

AmazonTopaz:
Indeed I am sure he did same in Afghanistan too. Lol

Don't get it twisted, that was USSR not the Russia Federation.

AmazonTopaz:
Lol, there is little Russia can do after all this is over the Ukrainians are going to join NATO they overwhelmingly support it.

Russia's annexation of Crimea, wanting to support separatists in Luhansk and Donetsk will only make the Ukrainians more resolved in their need for protection from the bully, Russia.

Ukraine will join NATO if not now in the distant future they don't see Russia as a friend and the history of the soviet union is not one that will make them bend to Putin

The Ukrainians will not determine Ukraine NATO membership. It is NATO and i don't think NATO will accept Ukrainian proposal.

For your information. Ukraine needs NATO membership now than ever. If the West don't have the stomach to accept her now. It will never happen again.

By the way, this is my first time of meeting a female that is so much interested in Foreign politics. By the way, I like your insight.

AmazonTopaz:
Keep quiet you are the brainwashed one what does going after Ukrainian territories and agonising over the fact that the states of the union should never have been free tell you? have you not heard about inferred or implied statements in your clownish head you think he would stop at Ukraine right?in your clownish head Russia has the right to invade Ukraine right what exactly is giving him this need to claim Ukraine if not for his thirst of the soviet union? Imagine trying so hard to defend a dictator and thinking that you are not a propagandist buying into their propaganda because of anti west sentiments.

Putin is a dictator. I agree with you. But he did something that i will forever cherish. He stopped the US from turning Syria to another Libya. A world that has just one master is not what we need. The US needs to be checkmated.

AmazonTopaz:
Yes the US had done bad, that does not mean that Russia will not do worse or is any better, Ukraine will join NATO sooner or later and Putin will not get his demands he doesn't even have any demands he is just a dictator and a weakling trying to look powerful while uniting most of the world against him, the world has gone too big to be under one man.

I see no problem with democracy and it is arguably the best form of government even some countries in the middle east are embracing it the world will evolve whether or not you like it and people will always get to think freely without governent always controlling everything if you have a problem go to none practising democratic countries.

To convince you further that Ukraine will never join NATO. Here is Zelenszky interview with Amapour of CNN on Saturday.

The Ukrainian President told CNN that NATO partners needed to clarify a timeline on which the country could join the military alliance.

"Ukraine needs security guarantees," Zelensky said. "We are smart people, we are not narrow minded. We understand there are lots of different risks because of NATO, there is no consensus around other allies, everyone is saying there is some distance that we need to go between Ukraine and NATO that we need to walk. All we are saying is tell us how much time does it take to complete this distance?"

In earlier remarks to the conference, Zelensky posed a question asking why Ukraine had not been permitted to join NATO. "We are told the doors are open.. but the strangers are still not allowed," he said.

Moscow sees the growing support for Ukraine from NATO -- in terms of weaponry, training and personnel -- as a threat to its own security. Putin has also called for specific legal agreements that would rule out any further NATO expansion eastwards towards Russia's borders, saying the West has not lived up to its previous verbal assurances.



Source:-CNN

AmazonTopaz:
Yes the US had done bad, that does not mean that Russia will not do worse or is any better, Ukraine will join NATO sooner or later and Putin will not get his demands he doesn't even have any demands he is just a dictator and a weakling trying to look powerful while uniting most of the world against him, the world has gone too big to be under one man.

I see no problem with democracy and it is arguably the best form of government even some countries in the middle east are embracing it the world will evolve whether or not you like it and people will always get to think freely without governent always controlling everything if you have a problem go to none practising democratic countries.

I love this argument. If you believe Ukraine will join NATO. Kindly tell me how... If you read NATO article. There is a part that says, "a country that has territorial dispute can not join NATO". Ukraine is not qualified to join NATO. Russia is only trying to kill that dream forever.

AmazonTopaz:
It seems Putin is stupid judging by what he has said, you can go back and watch the video it is on Youtube I get a sense that you idolise the man though.

Why are you hyping Putin?

He is not stupid. He made demands and he will get them.

I just don't want a unipolar world. Unipolarism brings corruption. A world that has two, three or four masters rather than one is what we need.

The US has gone against the UN to invade several countries. She has used Military means to democratise several countries especially in the middle east. In her bid to democratise the Islamic states, middle east has been ruined. If not for Russia, Syria would have been in the same state with Libya.

The US has killed some many people & destroy countries all in the name of democracy. Unipolarism can not work in our modern world. The earlier you know this, the better.

AmazonTopaz:
Declaring Luhansk and Donetsk a territory under Ukraine is already an invasion don't be naive.
It is going to be a world war crisis because he will go after other USSR former territories he needs to be stopped now.If the west sanctions Russian oligarchs that use money for war and not her economy Russia will lose. The US/NATO are not handicapped they just don't want to be interventionist anymore so they are trying to be diplomatic.


Please stop talking out of point Putin wants the USSR stop sympathising with the cause of a dictator if Putin wants respect he should respect the sovereignty of Ukraine and embrace the fact that the USSR is dead.

My goodness did you see NATO force former states of the USSR to join or they went on their own will, majority of Ukrainians want NATO and the fact that Putin is still nostalgic about the USSR is enough proof of that have you asked yourself why former states of the USSR are interested in joining the west why not ask yourself that since you think Russia is so good that they are running away from it or they should swallow their will because of one man called Putin.
Give me a break

Reviving the USSR is impossible. The baltic states are now part of NATO. If Putin tries to take back the Baltic states which are now part of NATO, this might lead to a world war. Putin is not stupid. Engage the West in a nuclear war, for what exactly?

Putin does not gamble.

AmazonTopaz:
He is not smart you people should wake up it was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back and if he gets Ukraine he is coming for other former states of the USSR.

If the US and its allies don't respond swiftly and stop deceiving themselves about diplomacy Putin is going to invade sovereign nations because he does not believe in their right to exist that is dictatorship nobody should laud this

NATO/US are handicap as it stands. He has not invaded. They can't sanction Russia, because if they do. Russia will have nothing to loss if she invades eventually. They also can not use military means, because the situation can quickly change from Russia-Ukraine crisis to world war.

Russia is not interested in reviving the USSR. USSR is gone. All Putin wants is respect. If NATO halts it's expansion Russia will be automatically be at ease. The fear of being alone is what Russia is afraid. Imagine if all the countries in eastern Europe join NATO.

NATO is a military alliance. It was created to counter USSR. Now there is no more USSR. Russia is not as powerful as the USSR. Why the continuous expansion? Which threat is NATO trying to counter? The enemy of a country on it's door step is a serious security concern.

AmazonTopaz:
It was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back.

I don't think so. The Soviet Union is gone forever. The baltic state are now part of NATO. What Puttin wants is balance of power in Europe. If NATO continue to expand. The Russian influence in the eartern Europe and Europe at large will disintegrate.

In few hours from now, Russia will likely send lightly armed Russian troops into the Donbas. Something similar to the little green men, that were sent to Crimea.

One thing people don't know about Puttin is how smart he is. He does not gamble. He knew very well that he will get what he want. He is a master planner. Every event that is unfolding now has been carefully and well planned.

Now it is clear that Ukraine will never join NATO.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin is to recognise breakaway regions of Ukraine, the Kremlin says
He told the French and German leaders of his plans in a phone call, saying he would sign a decree.
The Russian President has ignored the warning of sanctions by the West and will recognise the independence of two self-declared breakaway regions this evening.

The Ukrainian President told CNN that NATO partners needed to clarify a timeline on which the country could join the military alliance.

"Ukraine needs security guarantees," Zelensky said. "We are smart people, we are not narrow minded. We understand there are lots of different risks because of NATO, there is no consensus around other allies, everyone is saying there is some distance that we need to go between Ukraine and NATO that we need to walk. All we are saying is tell us how much time does it take to complete this distance?"

In earlier remarks to the conference, Zelensky posed a question asking why Ukraine had not been permitted to join NATO. "We are told the doors are open.. but the strangers are still not allowed," he said.

Moscow sees the growing support for Ukraine from NATO -- in terms of weaponry, training and personnel -- as a threat to its own security. Putin has also called for specific legal agreements that would rule out any further NATO expansion eastwards towards Russia's borders, saying the West has not lived up to its previous verbal assurances.



Source:-CNN

BritishNaija:
Why do you like fo argue brother? Oya read below.
In November 2015, it was reported S-400 will be deployed to Syria, along with the contingent of Russian troops and other military hardware in the course of the air campaign conducted by the Russian forces on the side of the Syrian government.[107] However, those claims were refuted by Russia.[108] On 25 November 2015, the Russian government announced it would deploy S-400s in Syria as a response to the downing of its Su-24M jet by Turkey.[109] On 26 November 2015, deployment of S-400 air defense systems to Syria was underway.[110] The first S-400 unit was activated at the Khmeimim Air Base in Latakia Governorate.[111] In April and July 2017, a second S-400 unit was activated 13 km northwest of Masyaf, Hama Governorate.[111]

The Israeli Air Force's F-16 and F-35 successfully flew over areas protected by S-400 and Pantsir SAM in Syria and bombed Iran-backed Hezbollah militia based in Latakia.[112] [113] According to Guardian newspaper, Russia operates a naval base in the port of Tartus, 85km to the south near the port of Latakia.[114] Considering the engagement range advertised by the Russian-made S-400, the S-400 should have engaged Israeli aircraft. Russian fighter jets nor the S-400 missile system ever attempted to intercept Israel’s F-35I Adir stealth jet.[115] Several media outlets, including Turkish media, raised the question about the combat capability of the S-400 air defence system.[116][117] Israeli Defence Force's released a photograph of F-35's flight path over the S-400 air defence system.[118][119] The Royal Air Force also conducted a SEAD mission over areas protected by the S-400 air defence system.[120]

Don't get me wrong there are S-400 systems in Syria. But they belong to the Russia federation not Syria. The Khmeimim Air Base in Syria is Russian main military base in Syria. Russia never sold any S-400 to Syrian govt.

BritishNaija:
Bro please say what you know ooo, S-400 is being used by Syria and Isreal F-35s make mockery of them.

Enjoy as you read, 2020.
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/amp/

Kindly check the internet.

BritishNaija:
Bro please say what you know ooo, S-400 is being used by Syria and Isreal F-35s make mockery of them.

Enjoy as you read, 2020.
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/amp/

Syrian forces don't have S-400. Only threee countries have bought S-400. The are China, India and Turkey. Syria can not even afford it. The one stationed at the Russian military base belong to Russia not Syria.

BritishNaija:
This shows that you have been left behind brother.
Turkish president complained and now even requested America Patriot Defense System to be on the safer side.

Only one S-400 was delivered to Turkey Which have not been activated, because Erdogan actually lost faith in it, seeing how Isreal F-35s conduct strikes on targets in syria being guarded by russian S-400s and yet no reply from the S-400s, up to 200 strikes we are talking about.

Or do I have to tell you too how syrian army was complaining how useless the Defence System russia sold them was? Lolz

You said Turkey received one S-400 from Russia. But Turkey actually received two S-400. Turkey has never requested for Patriots defense system since the day the S-400 systems were delivered.

The S-400 has detection range of 600km, that can not cover the entire country. The S-400 in Syria is strictly for the protection of the Russian military base only.

Syrian military S-200 is the Syrian government front line defence system.

okeysoninv:
like seriously , do you know what is called suicide drone. Even Russia like let them bring out s-600.. ordinary drone will take it out so far it can be see visible. Research how Azerbaijan was able to take out Armenia s-300.

No S-400 has been destroyed yet. So why condemning the defense system when it has not been defeated. Time will tell.

Besides Russia has it's own drones too. The popular Orion drone is a very capable long range drone. Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B (Hunter) will soon be in service. Grom aka Thunder is a stealth combat drone and so on.

BritishNaija:
Why should US deploy F-22 and B-2 Deadly planes when they are not fighting War with formidable enemy?
Do you know the cost of operating those deadly weapons?

F-35 have been deployed several times by Isreal against russian S-400 in syria, and the radar saw nothing all the time, talkless of to track it.

And reason turky opt for S-400 was because of deplomatic issues with Trump,and they were removed from the program.

And not to mention Turkish President after Isreal strike targets continously on syria that have S-400s, He began having issues with Putin, saying they lied to them about the effectiveness of the S-400 lolz.

Kindly show the evidence that Erdogan complain about the S-400. Nigerians i hail thee!

uunwanaobong3:
I am just laughing at BIDEN........ If Russia invade Ukraine (which I know they have no intention of invading) and America by mistake get on the way of Russia and then it boils into a world war situation,...... Putin has just one thing in mind to end the world war and that is the sent a barrage of hypersonic nuclear intercontinental missiles into white house, capitol, and pentagon.... Putin have no intention of flying over USA ........ And for those who think that USA is prepared for war against Russia, let me remind you that USA does not have an anti missiles defence against an hypersonic missiles....... The hypersonic missiles technology has only been mastered by China, Russia and north Korea

The AEGIS is a very capable defense system. But both the Kinzhal and Zircon hypersonic missiles were designed to take out the AEGIS defense system.

okeysoninv:
if s-300 failed 2yrs ago in Armenia vs Azerbaijan war.what is the difference. Even iskander ballistic missiles failed also there. The only advantage Russia have is nuke. If the manage to deliver nuke by hypersonic missiles that is all.you can see turkey has stopped ordering for more s-400

S-300 did not fail. The Armenia old S-300 was not designed to counter drone. Drone can be a serious threat to any air defense system. Remember what happened to Saudi ARAMCO. The US Patriots defense system failed to intercept the drone used to bomb the facility.

Drones are not threats to the S-400.

okeysoninv:
if s-300 failed 2yrs ago in Armenia vs Azerbaijan war.what is the difference. Even iskander ballistic missiles failed also there. The only advantage Russia have is nuke. If the manage to deliver nuke by hypersonic missiles that is all.

If Russian military is not strong enough. Why all the noise. Everybody should go and sleep then.

okeysoninv:
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/ do you still need more
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/azerbaijan-armenia-russia-israel-suicide-drones-destroy
Go and rest

Well ther is only one way to find out. Russian-Ukraine war. China, India & Turkey are are on the top 10 list of the strongest military in the world. They all have bought the defense system.

Do you think their leaders are fools for buying the S-400.

okeysoninv:
guy, your confirm jerk, go and ask Syria what F-35 is doing to their shitty air defense aka s _400. Ask turkey why they have abandoned purchasing more s-400 after seeing that the trash is rubbish. U knew nothing boy

The S-400 in Syria is used primarily to protect the Russian base in Syria. The area cover by the S-400 has never been atacked. Kindly do your research before comment.

Infact Israel no longer use F-35 to carry out air strike deep inside Syria anymore. Israel F-35 no longer leave Israelis territory to carry out strikes. The fighter uses Beyond Visial Range Missile to hit target in Syria while in Israelis territory.

Israel also use surface to surface missile to strike Syria. They now use F-16 & F-16 to hit targets inside Syria.

Kindly confirm

okeysoninv:
guy, your confirm jerk, go and ask Syria what F-35 is doing to their shitty air defense aka s _400. Ask turkey why they have abandoned purchasing more s-400 after seeing that the trash is rubbish. U knew nothing boy

So how many S-400 has Israel destroyed in Syria?

FamTomx2:
Why was NATO created??

It's a matter of time Ukraine will be announced as NATO member, Ukraine boarders will be used instead, they shares the same boarder line with Russia..

Russia now see the alliance of Ukraine with NATO will be a security threats.

USA needs Ukraine more than they need themselves..

Moscow cannot go to war with the Almighty.

Ukraine will never join NATO. The country is not qualified. For a country's to join, the country must be stable. The country must not have any territorial dispute. Ukraine will never join NATO. RUSSIA is not interested in fighting the US. Puttin doesn't want Ukraine to join Nato and he will get what he wants.

jswitch:
This is one of the most reasonable comments I've seen on this thread. Most of those guys are just moved by their imagination and wishes.

The US and NATO have been ignoring Russia's security concerns in Eastern Europe for quite some time now. What Putin is interested in is for US and NATO to address his concerns about their advancement in Eastern Europe.

US and NATO will not fight Russia military if they attack Ukraine (because Ukraine is not yet a member so they don't have the obligation to defend them), but, they will do everything to cripple Russia's economy through sanctions- this is one fact that Russia can't shy away from. Russia's allied like China, Iran, North Korea can't not meet Russia's needs economically if the West decides to impose tough economic sanctions on Russia.


Right now, what Putin wants is for the West to address his concerns, they've been ignoring him for too long hence the need to take this bold step that he is taking right now. If he doesn't act now, NATO under the guidance of US will cunningly and gradually sorround Russia with missiles.

Remember that China just like Russia has been planning an invasion of Taiwan. But that will be a different ball game entirely because, unlike Ukraine, US has a defense pact with Taiwan.

The NATO article 5 which says an attack on a member is an attack on all. We only work to deter any form of aggression against NATO members. But when the threat of war between a major nuclear state and NATO is real. The chance that the alliance will break is extremely high. Some countries like Hungary, Croatia, Montenegro e.t.c will let their citizens get NUKES because of the US miscalculation in europe. Infact you will be shocked that the likes of Germany and France will pulled out. Because the two will be the major target in a nuclear war. In reality the article 5 will not work.

FamTomx2:
Russia, China, Iran has been on US watch list for possibly in possession of lethal nuclear weapons..

It will not be funny if Putin dares attack Ukraine..US is on a high alert... according to US defence minster he said "this could be our chance" China is not ready for war now, Putin is only playing a mind game cos US and other European countries are interested in this dispute.

You should ask the general how they intend to fight Russia. Do you think the US have the capacity to travel thousands of kilometers to europe to fight Russia? You need to think again. Or you think the US can nuke Russia without Russia returning the favour? Do you even think Russia can be invaded? Even without Nuke, Russia still a threat.

leicestercamper:
Shut up you don't know anything. America is the greatest nation in the world. Make Russia dare invade Ukraine if dey no dey hear word. Let Putin dare to enter Ukraine. He is scared because America is now involved.

Lol! Copy and paste....