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benalvino3:
Bayelsaowei in Islam dogs are haram so the BBC made an anti-dog ad starring a Somali

Multiculturalism
https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/2038574665069625777

It’s getting really bad up there in the UK. This is very very bad.

GracieX3:
8 million people protested, and you are here talking rubbish. Which MAGA protest has reached that number before?

Sane people quietly protest where it matters most. In this day and age, there are a million and one places you can make your voices heard than wasting precious time on the streets.

basilico:
I gather you are very proficient in chess but you reason like a toddler

I do - very well. I’m a toddler.

budaatum:
I don't give a flying f%q what you or your god seek or don't seek ono.

And who gives a rat’s ass what a deluded nut thinks.

GracieX3:
See ignorance.

If 8 million came out to protest, it should tell you that there are many more who didn't protest but support them.

You are that deep in the Trump cult that you cannot realise that the second biggest protest in American history will have massive ramifications.

Keep drinking MAGA kool-aid

It could also mean they’re not interested in protesting what’s going well for them - you get?

DeepSight:
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Is Trump really getting the job done? Look at the mess he has made of foreign policy, look at the mess he made of ICE, look at the mess he made with the tariffs nonsense. Overall consider the fact that he is a divisive figure for America and evokes a lot of hatred among the different races in the USA.

Man, the rot Trump is trying to fix is deep. A lot has gone wrong with the West. It will take more than 4 years and some really initially painful actions to make right what’s wrong.

I have repeatedly stated that western civilisation is under attack. What Trump’s doing is a step - a painful one at that, in the right direction.

If you don’t grasp this, then I’m sorry.

budaatum:
Stop trying to steal virtues you lack.

One does not treat ono like one treats deepsight, and not even DEI could elevate you to his level.

I don’t seek you or anyone else’s approval. I exist by the grace of God to thwart you and your likes effort to railroad the unsuspecting to Hell.

DeepSight:
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I think it is not just a intuitively derived thing but is also logically and philosophically sound.

Mind you, one does not claim to know the nature of such a God, beyond that it must be a self-existent eternal element.

Good. Now watch how buda will stay away from you.

DeepSight:
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You do the arithmetic. 8 million is a significant number and certainly a number to worry about when you think carefully through the demographics of the actual voting population vis-à-vis what the figure of eight million represents in active dissenters willing to come out to march on the streets.

Bro, it is not. More than 70 million people voted for Trump. He’s not a “nice person” I get. But he has what it takes to get the job done. We don’t want weaklings, atheists, lgbtq and multicultural leaning and misguided people who are pliable running the affairs of the world’s most powerful country and who wields a lot of influence on the world’s affairs.


8 million crazies can’t do anything about this.

budaatum:
Moreso at his general mischaraterisation.

blah blah

DeepSight:
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I believe that God exists, I also however believe that IT is unknowable.

At least you believe there is a God.

DeepSight:
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I believe that God exists, I also however believe that IT is unknowable.

buda does not.

DeepSight:
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Why? I hope you are not laughing at the acknowledgement of my well established humility.

Well, DeepSight, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

DeepSight:
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How do you know?
And how is he/she a bad influence?

DeepSight, I know and she knows too. I have engaged her long enough to know. That she didn’t indicate her sex against her profile could not hide who she is. You too will discover soon.

Bad influence, yes. Like I stated in an earlier post, you’re much less full of yourself and probably are wiling to submit to the knowledge of the presence of a higher being and His influence on the affairs of men. She’s your complete opposite.

DeepSight:
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Who me? Or him?

buda is a woman. I’m referring to her.

DeepSight:
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But its written in black and white. Whats your problem? Are you saying its not written in the Quran?


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This is a different question and you know it. Nonetheless, yes, some Muslims find their justification for doing so in the Quran, Hadiths and general Islamic teachings.


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He is evidently biased to the extent that he can call a color two different things depending on the page he saw it on.

You’re reasoning with someone who reads the Bible and interprets the contents literally. She’s not led by the spirit of God.

You DeepSight appears to have something she doesn’t have - humility and willingness to accept a different view. She’s rigid with her opinions. Always tries to argue her way out of a corner, I’m short of using the word “stubborn” to describe her. I’m not sure but she could be a feminist. Not sure about her marital status either, could be divorced or just living alone.

DeepSight:
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I went to the link you shared. Were you a Christian then?

Bad influence.

GracieX3:
Trump and his Republican party are gonna lose hard in the midterms in November.

For millions across America to protest against a president's policies, there is a giant revolution coming......

Some even report as much as 8 million people took part in the protests

8 million out of almost 300 million population ? Madam do the arithmetic nau. Haba.

bayelsaowei:
Yes believe me.

Netanyahu is a corrupt, bribing, murderous maniac. He lies and kills. 😎😎

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-officially-asks-israeli-president-pardon-2025-11-30/

So, na you clean pass now abi?

ijebosb:
Ok Ono
Prove to us right here and now that you are not gay.

Are you gay?
No spinning words, prove it.

Kinda sus that you still haven't answered the question.
Especially given that you said you were a virgin till you were almost 30.

I doubt you can meet the standards of self control and the type of rigorous upbringing I went through to become what I am today Ijebos.

I am not gay - not homosexual, no lgbtq thing in my life. I am married to a woman (as in woman o - not the type supreme court judge Jackson cannot define, ehen, I need to make that clear) and we have three lovely kids.

That said, over to you. But it's OK if you don't want to talk about yourself. It's perfectly fine.

bayelsaowei:
So as you don grow reach, you Dey believe Netanyahu. 🤣🤣😂

Story…

Na you I go believe ? Epie man? Taaa!

bayelsaowei:
What is doing this one?

This baba never see anything yet.

Propaganda. Israeli President Herzog came to address this matter recently - in a clear and concise manner.

bayelsaowei:
But they’ll pray to God (e.g Hegseth) that God helps them obliterate the Iranians, hoping God listens to it. Then after that they go ahead and cover up what they’ve done with Epstein and then suffer poor Americans.

God must be really patient with these guys.

All that you think make people “good” is actually filthy rag before God - including everyone who’s not in the Epstein log. All are damned to hell - without Christ.

ijebosb:
Ono someone said they saw you having dinner with another man.
He said because you two were having dinner alone together and you paid the bill you were gay.
Prove that you are not gay.

Ok Ijebos.

Tell us all right here and now - no spinning words and stuff. Straight up yes or no answer to the question below:

Are you gay?

I am ready to apologise to the whole Nairaland community if your answer is no. Thank you.

budaatum:
A maga told him. And everything maga tells him must be true.

blah blah

budaatum:
Are you conveniently disregarding the many Christians who preached Bible to perpetuate slavery?

https://time.com/5171819/christianity-slavery-book-excerpt/

https://theconversation.com/the-curse-of-ham-how-people-of-faith-used-a-story-in-genesis-to-justify-slavery-225212

Thankfully, not all Christians even then refused to evolve.

https://presidentlincoln.illinois.gov/Blog/Posts/111/Abraham-Lincoln/2021/3/Abraham-Lincolns-arguments-against-using-the-Bible-to-justify-slavery/blog-post/

These are the stuff DeepSight and I talked about all day. All these are in the past now. Christianity moved past all these to become perhaps the most peaceful, accommodating and tolerant religion on earth today.

ono:
Bas, Raum, Benalvi, check this out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Witt

I found out after reading this:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-iranian-spy-recruitment-hub-operating-in-london/ar-AA1ZC8xU?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=90a84178cdfa46c68914a70647bbe2c0&ei=10

Guys, what do you think happened to this woman? Is budaatum going down thesame path as her?

TV01:
@Ono, have you actually been reading my posts? I ask because I made it clear that Christianity has never preached slavery. And, I made the distinction between the practices of those who claim to be Christians or to follow Christ and what the Bible\NT\Jesu\Paul prescribes as proper Christian conduct and practice. So again, Christianity does not teach or authorise or approve of slavery - and it never has. It is unchanged, it is the same message yesterday, today and forever - as is Christ Himself. Am I clear?

Now - and excuse me if I am reading you incorrectly - your insistence that Christianity has evolved is simply wrong. And leaves you compromised in your defence of the faith.

Let me demonstrate how.
1. If Christianity permits\authorises\agrees with slavery, and it is from God, then those who abolish it are against God and is commandments - effectively not obeying or submitting to God
2. If God authorises slavery, Christians fighting each other and non-Christians to abolish slavery are effectively sinning.

Hence my challenge, how has Christianity evolved as you claim? What other practice - not just slavery - does Christianity teach that Christians have done away with? Do not confuse what any sect or individual Christian may do with the true Christian message.

I believe faith is a very individual thing and understanding varies between believers in terms of when and how it is received. When I became a Christian, I was told tithing was utmost. I used to defend tithing - ardemtly. Over time I came to understand that the notion of mandatory tithing for Christians was incorrect. Was that Christianity evolving, or me coming to understanding and changing?

Be clear, if the message purportedly from God harms men or requires improvements by men, it cannot be from God.

Luke 4:18-19
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [i]to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord

Does that sound like slavery is a feature of Christianity or the kingdom of Heaven? Or does this?

Mark 12 - 29 Jesus answered him, “The [k]first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ [l]This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Or this?

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to a neighbour; therefore love is the fulfilment of the law.

I have provided context and explained the situational approach that Paul had to take.

Please read and understand. And again. Please stop saying Christianity (the message, the truth) has evolved - it hasn't.


TV

I think that you are mixing up a lot of things. There some "word problems" here too making us to not understand each other. I'll be back. Need to attend to some urgent stuff.

TV01:
Again, nothing evil or wicked or that causes human harm is commanded or prescribed for Christians. I have clearly explained the OT laws given to the Jews and the Jews only (and non-Jews living amongt them) in direct covenant with a holy God.


Christianity does not teach them, that is why Christians reject them.

I didn't exempt slavery - if as you claim Christianity has evolved, what in addition to slavery has evolved?

Yes now, like your people naturally evolved from witch hunts, killing twins or selling their kindred for brollys?

Your retorts are weak. Why was it Christians and not Atheists (who Christians had to fight) unburdened by religion that championed abolition? Wishy-washy tropes like "moral evolution" do not happen in a vacuum. Christianity did that.

It's not my fault that the meaning of fulfil escapes you. When a law\contract is fulfilled, you are discharged, no longer subject to that law - replete in the bible. The new covenant ratified by The Blood of Jesus Christ is one of grace, not law.

Please stop mis-ascribing, mis-interpreting or willfully mis-reading the bible to justify your pain and 8tred. You are easily read and more easily debunked.


TV

There's something about your posts dear friend TV01. I don't like the zig zag way my brain goes trying to process your line of thoughts. Can you please pardon me when I don't respond to your calls? Please, do not take offense.

DeepSight:
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It is a pity that there is much that is very backward about this religion. And more so since it once experienced a golden age when it was the leading light of much advanced thought in the world.

Sadly it has been unable to shake off the tendency towards misogyny/ gender apartheid as well as a very violent streak which is taken straight from the pages of its scripture. The insistence on dictating what women wear in many Islamic countries, and the fact that in a place like Saudi Arabia until very very recently they were even denied the right to drive, is very telling. Many women in these theocratic places cannot even travel or move at all without permission from a male, what is that?

Beyond that look at the application of Shariah law in Northern Nigeria. It has been used to lock up several non Muslims for years - for alleged blasphemy in a supposedly secular country with constitutional freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, conscience and religion? Look at the gruesome murder of Deborah, a Christian student in Northern Nigeria by a Muslim mob. Those who did it were on camera and they went scot free, even the governor justified it.

The truth is that this religion has an explicit creeping doctrine in which it seeks the total subjugation of the world to Islamic tenets. And in this they are specifically guided to appear moderate and gentle when in the minority but to become belligerent when in the majority. This is where the practice of Taqiyya often comes in. Telling lies to defend oneself and to defend Islam when in a weak position. But once they are in the majority, no one can truly be safe in terms of the rights we understand to be standard in the modern world.

Look at the practice of honor killing for example. What can we say of that.

There is too much that Islam has not evolved past and frankly it is still dwelling in the medieval world.

Very well articulated details about the crimes of Islam. Cannot add anything. I can only say those defending the religion need to have their brains examined. And those of them that claim they're peace loving should take time out to examine their conscience and tell themselves they're in the right or wrong circle.

basilico:
Deepsight is not Ijebos. Ijebos could never say anything wrong against Islam, even if he created another 30 handles.
Not because he doesn't know ior knows but because conservatives critique Islam. He can never side with conservatives, they are all vile

Noted. Apologies to DeepSight.

DeepSight:
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This is ahistorical.

The Bible contains teachings such as that commanding the murder of so called witches and injunctions authorizing slavery and these have been implemented by Christians through the ages to disastrous effect through the witch hunts where the refrain "suffer not a witch to live" (Exodus 22:18) was deployed for centuries and through the slave trade where biblical verses were deployed as well in defense of and authorization of slavery.

That Christians today reject these is evolution.

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The very fact that you have to exempt slavery when presenting this dubious challenge shows you to be acting fraudulently.

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In the natural moral evolution of humans they gradually come to recognize certain things as barbaric and abandon them.

PS: The distinction you and others strive to make between the OT and NT is futile for Christ himself said that he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

Good points for the most parts. Well done!

But the statement in bold appears to not apply to the adherents of Islam, what say you?