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chomytex:
Wow! nice one doc.

Email me, let's talk

nelszx:
Ok for peace to reign I admit. But is there really a health care act in Nigeria or do you mean National health act cos the latter I know of but the former I don't know and haven't seen it anywhere in my life.

Ok please shoot I'd love to know the lists of tests for starters aside Histopathology.

Hahaha our brothers like yourself. Happy to know you have found fulfilment in your new found path. I wish you the very best

It's a good thing you admitted Histopathology is way above your league. I was a bit busy at hospital so I didn't have time to draw up your list so I would borrow time from my Val.

1stly have you ever heard of "POINT OF CARE TESTING"
Where the patient is treated without having to go to the lab? I don't need a scientist to perform a:
Blood sugar test as any one can operate a glucometer
Pregnancy test, as anyone can work a test tube
Urinalysis trip
Ovulation timer, etc

Now to the bone of contention:
The following CAN'T be carried out by an Average laboratory scientist as they lack the clinical skills

MICROBIOLOGY: Sensitivity testing to test the resistance of a microorganism to a drug
Bone marrow examination and biopsy
HISTOPATHOLOGY: Biopsy
HAEMATOLOGY: Haematopoeic stem cell transplant and it's test
Colonoscopy
CARDIAC MARKERS
H-FABP Test
Immonoassay
NPPB

Insulin like growth test
Autopsy
Forensic toxicology
NSE
I could go on and on.

The issue of UniAbj having its first MLS director is laudable. But here's an extract from Google on the hierarchy of a diagnostic lab

The last picture is from Yahoo answers. Where it is stated clearly that a pathologist should head a lab. Please noted that in all your quotes about US and how MLS heads lab. A pathologist in those countries earn almost triple what a scientist earns and I come to wonder how you would be paid higher than your boss. Lolz

chomytex:
still on d introduction sha.conquest of polio, Edward jenner and co.
staph..hmmm that one deh
industrial or enviromental.still weighing my options. what about you?

I'm a doctor, Did Medical Microbiology and parasitology in my Year 4. Under laboratory medicine. I really enjoyed the course though, it was broad but fun.

chomytex:
300

How is immunology treating you. And staph lolz. Where do you intend specialising in

samsolite:
Hey MissParagon, I know you'll be in your 3rd year of Med. School at UNIZIK but I need your help. What are the materials/textbooks I need to resume school so as to catch up with my colleagues. I'm asking because I know you will be of help, having had similar experience last year.

Thanks.

You should be doing Mainly ANATOMY, BCM and PHYSIOLOGY.

ANATOMY

Harold Elis (clinical anatomy) : my favorite text back then
Keith Moore
Chaurasia
Inderbir Singh (Histology)
Netter Atlas of Human Anatomy
Keith Moore Embrology
Inderbir Singh Embrology
Clinical Neuroanatomy by Snell


BIOCHEMISTRY
Harper's illustrated Biochemistry
Vasodovan
Chatterjea Shinde Textbook of Medical BCM
Clinical BCM and Metabolic Medicine



PHYSIOLOGY
Sembulingam
Guyton and Hall


Don't Know If Unizik does pharmacology and pathology in path 1 if it does I would drop some good text

N/B don't know if the text has changed from my time. But those are standard texts

chomytex:
yea

What level?

Grammywinner:
There's nothing much to type. I'm just glad Wizkid didn't see a Grammy award cuz if it had happened that he got one, who knows what would have happened? He probably would have stepped on every other person's head. All in the name of" I'm the first Nigerian to bring home a Grammy."

Even with his little achievements the dude is so full of himself.

I know most Nairalanders on this section are fans of Wizkid. Y'all gone shoot bullets and throw bombs at me for dizzing Wizkid, but guess what I am Titanium.

At the 57th edition of the Grammy awards, which held at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles, California, on Sunday, Nigerian Kelvin Olusola and his team, Pentatonix, won in the Best Arrangement, Instrumental or Acappella category.

Olusola thus joined a growing list of Nigerians to have won the award after Helen Folashade Adu (better known as Sade Adu), Henry Adeola Samuel (popularly called Seal) and Sikiru Adepoju.

In 1986, at the 28th Grammy awards, Sade Adu winning with her band, Sade, as Best New Artiste, became the first Nigerian to win in the prestigious awards.

Ten years later, another Nigerian, Seal, won the Grammys Record of the Year and Song of the Year awards for his song Kiss from a Rose, a song which was remixed as a soundtrack to Batman forever.

Sikiru Adepoju won the Grammy in 1991 and 2009 as a part of Mickey Hart’s group, Planet Drum, whose albums won the award for Best Contemporary World Music Album for the two years.

Grammywinner:
There's nothing much to type. I'm just glad Wizkid didn't see a Grammy award cuz if it had happened that he got one, who knows what would have happened? He probably would have stepped on every other person's head. All in the name of" I'm the first Nigerian to bring home a Grammy."

Even with his little achievements the dude is so full of himself.

I know most Nairalanders on this section are fans of Wizkid. Y'all gone shoot bullets and throw bombs at me for dizzing Wizkid, but guess what I am Titanium.

Fela has won a Grammy award before.
STOP HATING!!!

TobeyTobee:
....amen....thanks


Can u help me to clarify this....do pharmacy use CGPA or distinction

Every department uses CGPA except Medicine. And there's nothing there, just study hard you'll make it

chomytex:
Reading through.

Are u a microbiologist??

DrAuthentic:
Dr, I will rather we chat on whatsapp platform. I don't fully understand how sending pm works here too. Just on career. Thanks in advance

How do we do the number exchange? Give me urs let me add u

DrAuthentic:
DrOogway, can I send you a pm? Gracias

I'm new here, don't know how it works. But please teach me and do

xlow:
We all argue and it all ends here... Dnt just talk or type should I say.. Show proof..
Age dosnt count in cases like this. Dnt lie beeko!.

I have told u what to do

IFEZINX1:
Some schools allow cross over from some departments to medicine eg my school Unizik u can change to medicine wth a very high gp....I heard UI allows d best 10 from BMS to medicine bt I dnt knw abt dat....

No bro you don't cross over in Unizik, As for UI you heard, you are yet to confirm.

xlow:
Lols.. This time he took out time to put up grammer. Haha.. Kai u funny sha.. Which medical students dosnt knw about usmle steps and how it is been run? Those who have taken the steps do have IMG number. Can u tell me urs?..
About jamb.. Well I dnt claim to be smart shaa buh I can't beat my chest that in ur life u never had up to my score. Dawg.

How old are you 16?? Can't you argue logically without calling names??
Whatever your JAMB Score is or was as far as it didn't get you your dream course you would keep writing again and again, or settle for something less. Cutoff mark is set due to students performance that year, so comparing JAMB Scores with someone who wrote years back won't do you any good.
FYI, I had 303 in my time.
Stop bragging about every little thing you have and be humble and strive for greatness, people have been there and done better and they don't rub it on others faces. Next time u say any insultive words I won't answer you again.
I made a very constructive argument and u were quick to go bring your JAMB Result. Lolz how childish.

There's no such thing as International Medical Graduate Number(IMG as you claim)
As for the USMLE/ECFMG Identification Number. bro I have nothing to prove to you, I have been there done that. I would have but I know you, you would go around splashing it all over the internet. But if you insist send me an apology and email me and I would send it to u

xlow:
Obvious I wasn't wrong saying u re just a bigginner bagged up with a deadly pride..
Laughs.. And now the year2 homeboi feels fuffilled In life with all the past post n quotes u grabbed. U need a life partner. Ur lies are lame..finished medicine n done with usmle that has over 2steps with sub-steps and a limit of 7yrs to be written? I myt not be in the said 400l which ur claims revealed, (since u knw hw homeboiz would wanna get themselves upgradded by adding a lil bit of sugar) buh u were such a dunce to still tag me an aspirants. In Falz Voice.
+ my argument still remains the fact that, u can switch to medicine after year one IN SOME SCHOOLS ONCE U HAVE A GOOD GP if u are in a medical related course like bch, mcb, med rehab, med lab etc. Hope u get that. USMLE graduate!! Hahahaha. Less I 4get, u need to upgrade ur spoken English Oo.. Ur choice of words... Kai, lols n he wrote usmle fa. Hahaha. wen u re nt sure if u'll mk it to nnewi in year 2.

Lolz, bro can't you make a fact without calling names, you're a very young lad more like a kid brother I never had.
Just for the sake of the people reading:
UNITED STATES MEDICAL LICENCING EXAMINATION has 3 steps you pass 1 before moving to the next. I told you i will pay for your Step 1, I never said it had only 1 step.
Step 1 is the basics: Anatomy, BCM,Physiology, Pharmacology,Laboratory medicine (Haematology,Histopath, chem path, Microbiology).
It's an 8hrs online exams divided into multiple sections. It cost 850$ currently during my time it was cheaper.
We have step 2 Clinical knowledge, where they test your ability to make diagnosis, etc. it's also written. Same price 850$
We have Step 3 Clinical skills, (possibly the most stressful and expensive stage). It can only be taken in US and only in a few states. Did my in texas. Here they test your skills on clerking a patient, performing physical exams, diagnosis, etc.
Finally, the 3 step. Would have given u a list of the past cutoff percentage during my time. But you can't even pass JAMB let alone a foreign exams.

Back to my quote, try getting into the University 1st before talking about things you know little about: Transferring to Medicine in a tertiary institution is very difficult because of the following reasons:
Most times Medical students make the best CGPA in 100lv, so they won't be anything wowing about your 4.0 to the dean of medicine as vertually most medical student get above that
2ndly, we have the quota system. Yearly thousands of people apply for medicine and the department always mostly admit fully their quota and those who fail out after 100lv are mostly replace by Direct Entry students in 200.
I could go on and on. But why argue with a mere JAMBITE. Who has no respect.

If i were you I would be level headed and study. Transfer to medicine after 200lv is almost impossible in the Nigerian system. Most of those schools you mentioned don't allow Medicine transfer. I know because I went to one. Don't always JUMP into arguments you have lil facts about arming yourself with bedroom gist. I mess you up once, don't let me do it again.

Speaking about English, I would really like you to point out my flaws beyond simple typographic errors. I would really love to learn from you bro. Lolz.

Told you earlier, don't attack/tackle the person tackle the argument, don't be quick to call names on a public forum. You never know who you chatting with. #ADVICE

xlow:
Beginner, aside ABU that stopped crossn over to mbbs 2yrs ago..and few schools which do not allow..I for sure knw that these schools, Uni ilorin, uni ibadan, unn, uniben, AAU, unizik bsu and others nt mentioned here allow crossing over. Dnt mislead folks here man. Thank u.

Stop peddling lies in a faceless forum and try passing JAMB. The pics below would shut you up. This are screen shots of your posts on various topics in various forums in 2016 and 2017. Next time show respect to people above you. With this attitude I doubt you can make it into medical school. When you don't respect you seniors in Medicine progress for you would be very difficult. You need to be very humble and patient to succeed in Medicine..

Dbrainiac1:
Guy, you quoted the wrong person. Recheck your post with tha screenshots

I'm very sorry bro, just wanted to shut the little JAMB kid up. Little kids of now adays no respect for elder ones. Once again I'm very sorry, it's a mistake

xlow:
Wasn't my intention to diss the unizik guy anyway.. Buh hw he sounded, if u read his quotes b4 now ws kindf annoyn.

One more thing, If you finally get admission into medicine this year after you write JAMB AGAIN, and u are humble enough to make it through. I'll be very willing to give you the 850 dollars you need to write the 1st step and stage in USMLE. I know it has always been your childhood dream. Also be willing to give you some advice and past questions on it. Never be quick to attack a persons character on an online forum.
It's your type that when they aren't smart enough to make it to medicine, they endup attacking doctors in JOHESU

P.S next time you wanna tell a lie on an online forum, 1st do a background check and cover your tracks. This last picture is for the road. Bye

xlow:
Beginner, aside ABU that stopped crossn over to mbbs 2yrs ago..and few schools which do not allow..I for sure knw that these schools, Uni ilorin, uni ibadan, unn, uniben, AAU, unizik bsu and others nt mentioned here allow crossing over. Dnt mislead folks here man. Thank u.

A little more for the fun of it. Hahahahaha.

Dbrainiac1:
Guy, being a 400l ABU medico doesn't mean anything.

Stop peddling lies in a faceless forum and try passing JAMB. The pics below would shut you up. This are screen shots of your posts on various topics in various forums in 2016 and 2017. Next time show respect to people above you. With this attitude I doubt you can make it into medical school. When you don't respect you seniors in Medicine progress for you would be very difficult. You need to be very humble and patient to succeed in Medicine..

xlow:
Beginner, aside ABU that stopped crossn over to mbbs 2yrs ago..and few schools which do not allow..I for sure knw that these schools, Uni ilorin, uni ibadan, unn, uniben, AAU, unizik bsu and others nt mentioned here allow crossing over. Dnt mislead folks here man. Thank u.

You are quick to mention things you know nothing about, the only way to cross over to medicine in UNN, UNIZIK,UI is direct entry, UTME or Predegree. Don't embarrass yourself publicly please. As for others I would verify.

xlow:
Wasn't my intention to diss the unizik guy anyway.. Buh hw he sounded, if u read his quotes b4 now ws kindf annoyn.

1stly, I didn't school in Unizik
2ndly, you should try passing Pharm and lab medicine.
3rdly, I have gotten what u are still trying to get and not sure of finishing
4th Done and dusted that, Passed USMLE and gone beyond shores in areas you can't even dream of specialising
During my time in school i was Student Union President and face of my school. You should learn to attack the point rather than the person. You still havnt given me the list I asked for

nelszx:
When you say something is illegal that means it has the backing of law for other individuals right?(interpretation of test results is neither in both MLSCN and MDCN Act). So it's not illegal, it's just courtesy since the patients physician is around he can help out with that (since he requested for the test) and it may not be applicable to walk - in patients but still they are still being directed to see a doctor in as much as one is tempted to say. But bear in mind also MLS can interpret results

Whatever rocks yyor boat Mr Oogway do you want me to name other countries where MLS interpretes results since US shouldn't be a point (despite the fact you have been shouting US ever since). There are still countries where it applies if you care to know I will share with you

Before the mods ban me I will share just this
Canada
http://www.hpcsa.co.za/PBMedicalTechnology - S/Africa
https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/2015-gs7090 - New Zealand

You have once again evaded the truth, the Health care act not MDCN or MLSCN. You know this thing and I know it so why is it so difficult to admit it. I told you we in Nigeria not US(Canada and US follow same pattern of Health) so quoting a source linking to Canada isn't really doing any good. Moreover in US only 12states actually approve the act of medical laboratory practice to MLS guys only. I know because I have been there and relocating soon. Also only 1 post referred to US. And it was copied. You interpreting a result is you committing a foul in the law.

P.S I can list a number of tests you don't have the clinical skills and knowledge to run or interprete. It remains a medical laboratory until a Pathologist steps in once in gets there in a functioning power it becomes a Pathology lab. There's so much beef and bad blood between the Lab scientist and the medics here in Nigeria (The reason I didn't go into Pathology) partly because most of your brothers wanted doing medicine and ended up in MLS so they have this complex issues and the fact that the Pathologist mostly wanna shove it into your faces that they're the boss(mostly the young Doctors) either way bro, you really argue logically.

xlow:
Bursting my bubbles!! Laugh my liver out. Ahead of a 400l ABU medico.(MBBS)? U need Pillz + an xtra accomplishment to wat u think uve gotten already.

Bro, you still yet to give me a list. Rather than laughing why not be listing. I'm sure you are in school or yet to enter school. You should be guided

Collinsemegreat:
oppression of MBC

Are u a microbiologist bro?

nelszx:
When you copy always read whatever it is to verify claims

The Positions
There are a variety of positions within a clinical laboratory, and roles are based on a career ladder of academic and technical milestones. Although terminology has changed slightly over time and may vary from location to location, the main elements to a clinical laboratory team include the laboratory director, technical and general supervisors, scientists/technologists, and technicians. Below is a description of these and other positions as well as a table summarizing the training and roles associated with each.

Laboratory Director
The director of a clinical laboratory is usually a board-certified medical doctor, PhD scientist, or in some cases, a medical laboratory scientist. He or she must meet the requirements of CLIA, the federal law governing U.S. laboratories, and/or the College of American Pathologists (CAP), The Joint Commission (TJC), COLA, or the American Association for Laboratory Accreditation (A2LA) if the lab is to be accredited by one of these private organizations.

Many are pathologists, physicians who specialize in the science of identifying the nature and cause of disease and who are specially trained to interpret biopsy results, Pap smears, and other cytologic samples. If the laboratory director is not a pathologist, a consulting pathologist may be retained to provide services that require their expertise, including interpreting test results.

Regardless of the qualifications of the director, CLIA states that the director is responsible for managing overall operations within the laboratory, including maintaining the standards of agencies that inspect and accredit the lab and ensuring that all technical, clinical, and administrative functions of the lab are performed.

Technical and General Supervisors
Clinical laboratories may also have technical or general supervisors, although the position title may be different in certain organizational structures. The lab director may serve as the technical supervisor as well. The technical supervisor may be a medical doctor (MD) or doctor of osteopathy (DO) with certification in anatomic and/or clinical pathology or other specialty, depending on the area s/he is responsible for, or has qualifications that meet the standards of board certification. The technical supervisor may also be a scientist with a PhD, a Master's, or a bachelor's degree and experience. S/he is responsible for the technical and scientific oversight of the lab.

A general supervisor, sometimes referred to as the laboratory manager, may have the same qualifications as the technical supervisor, but an individual with a bachelor's or associate's degree in the sciences and appropriate experience may qualify as well. A general supervisor is responsible for oversight of the day-to-day laboratory operations as well as the personnel conducting the tests and reporting results.

Medical Laboratory Scientist (MLS) or Medical Technologist (MT) 
Medical laboratory scientists (MLSs) or Medical technologists (MTs) play an important role in the clinical laboratory. They are responsible for performing routine as well as highly specialized tests to diagnose and/or aid in the treatment of disease, troubleshooting (preventing and solving problems with results, specimens, or instruments), and communicating test results to the pathologist or treating health practitioner. They may examine blood or body fluid specimens under the microscope for bacteria, parasites, fungus, or cells that might indicate cancer or other diseases. They may train other laboratory personnel, perform quality control checks, evaluate new instruments, and implement new test procedures. MLSs/MTs also may assume managerial roles, including supervising laboratory personnel as the general and/or technical supervisor.

Many MLSs/MTs specialize in one particular area, such as in clinical chemistry, immunology, molecular pathology, microbiology, or blood bank/transfusion service. MLSs/MTs have a bachelor's degree in clinical/medical laboratory science or the life sciences that included three or four years of academic course work and one year of clinical experience. Most labs require that MLSs/MTs be certified to demonstrate their competence to conduct their job functions. MLSs/MTs are certified by organizations such as the American Medical Technologists (AMT), the American Society for Clinical Pathology (ASCP) Board of Certification (BOC).

https://labtestsonline.org/lab/who/start/2

Honestly, I love the way you argue. You seem to be a very smart fellow. Wish we could meet in the real. Back to the point. We in Nigeria not US. Thinks work differently here. You shouldn't always piont to the US in your sources. In Nigeria the director is always a Pathologist. Also the law doesn't allow a lab scientist inteprete a result. Anyone doing that does so illegally. Same rule is applicable to several other countries in the world over.

nelszx:
Healthcare system is team work and the reason we don't not as if we can't is simple. Whoever saw the patient(dr) needs the result to complete his diagnosis and as such he's in best position to interpret the result to his patient.

Check the 5th paragraph you will see what you seek. As funny as it sounds this isn't Nigeria.

https://www.usm.edu/undergraduate/medical-laboratory-science-bs

That's US bro

ihave been following this thread for sometimes and i like some of the comments made. however i will like to point out some things , first i appreciate the observation by manga in a late post which he clarified that in USA the laboratory physician otherwise pathologist ultimately heads the laboratory.this obtains in the western and advanced countries, there is a difference between a pathologist and a medical lab scientist. this difference is noted by bernard in their job functions. according to the american society for clinical pathology(a society that oversees the certification of lab professional includuing medical technologists in USA) career handbook for lab professionals, A pathologist is a physician (MD or DO) who examines tissues and is responsible for the accuracy of laboratory tests. Pathologists interpret the results of these examinations and tests while Medical
technologists work in all areas of the clinical laboratory including blood banking, chemistry, hematology, immunology, and microbiology.They perform a full range of laboratory tests – from simple premarital blood tests, to more complex tests to uncover diseases such as HIV/AIDS, diabetes, and cancer. They are also responsible for confirming the accuracy of test results, and reporting laboratory findings to pathologists and other physicians.
from the above you can see that pathologists and medical lab scientists perform different functions, however there other professionals in the lab from the career handbook viz the medical lab technicians, the cytotechnologists, the histotechnologists.the pathologists' assistant.in nigeria all these except the technician are seen as medical lab scientists, there are two clarifications i'll like to make. the first is in trying to insinuate that a medical lab scientist , i mean a bachelor's in training and competence can be equated to a pathologists as the ultimate head of the lab.it is insulting. a ph.d scientist in western countries can to a certain extent be at par with the pathologists, but not a bachelor's degree holder, there is no basis for comparision, 2nd clarification the ph.d lab scientist can head a lab.in UK they do but increasingly are expected to have at least an MRCPath qualification, prof agbolanhor of LabCore has an FRCPath,but he is not a pathologist.pathologists and PH.D lab scientists interprete result,but when added clinical responsibilities are needed a pathologist takes responsibility


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