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Nicho118:
lived in Iyara and pessu.. na crisis pursue us commot there.

Eyah. The crises that time really caused a lot of damage. Thank God, Warri has been peaceful since.

fratermathy:
Can't see any video yet o oniovo.

The tin taya me o. It couldn't upload. Nairaland is saying there is an error, I can't figure it out yet. Let me just send it to you maybe you fit help post am.

This is a follow up to this topic earlier posted by Efewestern https://www.nairaland.com/3744936/olorogun-origin-how-it-became#55663122

This video is about the Royal Ema Dance of the Urhobo people but a short explanation is given about the Olorogun title here by the Orator, Achonacho.

Efewestern:
please do well to share the video here let's see.

seun and lalasticlala,

No wahala.

Nicho118:
wow.. I also grew up in that area

Really? Sido nai be my original area o. My place was close to cemetery road. How about you?

Efewestern:
i never knew Ohovworen and Ekakuro is the original word for chief, is olori also an urhobo word? have seen several urhobo answering that name

Yes. Olori means head, leader, in Urhobo. It's a shared word with Yoruba since it has similar meaning.

fratermathy:
Ekoko r'Urhobo ovi ri Nairalandi, wadooo!!!

You guys have all said well and enlightened me. I never knew that title has roots in Yoruba!

Opharhe, nice to see you here. It's been a while I spotted you on Nairaland. You missed our Warri thread.

To add a little to this thread:

In Isoko, we also have a class of chiefs called Edio which is headed by an Odion-Ologbo. This class of chiefs is also present in Uwherun clan due to Isoko influence. The Odio-Ologbo acts as the Ovie in the absence of the title bearer in any Isoko clan/Uwherun in Urhobo. The Odio-Ologbo is usually the oldest chief or the most influential chief of the Edio class. Even Isoko clans that have Ovies, such as Ozoro, etc, have the Odio system with an Odio-Ologbo serving more as the "Otota" than the traditional "Otota".

However, the tradition of Olorogun has been imported by the Isokos, notably in Iyede and other borderline clans. Although theirs is simply celebratory and titular and not taken as a class of chiefs.

In Urhoboland, the Ohovworen system highlighted by Opharhe is the standard traditional chieftaincy recognised by Urhobo scholars. The Olorogun title was imported and now signifies a "super-aristocracy". Among the chiefs, some are Illorogun due to prestige and favour by the Ovie! Some clans are slowly changing the Ohovworen to Olorogun entirely due to the perceived likability of the title.

All-in-all, Urhobo/Isoko has a very rich cultural system that we should all identify with as Urhobo/Isokos. We should all live lives that are deserving of an eventual Olorogun/Ohovworen/Edio title as Urhobo/Isoko people.

Thanks Oniovo. I saw the Warri post late so I just chill. You guys did justice to it. Kudos.

That's true about Uwherun. The traditional ruler of Uwherun is called Odion r'Ode. Odion is an ancient Edo/Urhobo/Isoko word for elders and it's sometimes used to refer to the departed ancestors. I was raised in Odion in Warri(Iyara, Cemetery Road, Sido axis) and I later found that it was the first settlement of the Agbarha-Ame people where there was an Ogwan for the reverence of the ancestors. The village heads in Benin are known as Odionwere... It goes on and on.

The word Olorogun is just for the name value and many people use it for convenience. The Chieftaincy Institution remains original with corresponding titles throughout Urhoboland. Micheal Ibru for example, was himself an Ohonvwore by virtue of the fact that he was conferred that title by the Ovie of Agbarha-Otor, his hometown. A Chief of Agbon or Okpe is Okakuro, Ughelli, Ohonvwore etc.

I'll show you a video about Ema dance with a short explanation about the Olorogun title by Chief Achonacho, the great Urhobo Orator.

Efewestern thanks for creating this topic. I really have to do more in this culture section and you're an inspiration.
I will try to create a topic about this issue another time with some more research maybe working with fratermathy.

We kobiruo Oniovo. Happy Easter.

Nicho118:
what about 'Onorogun' some urhobos call it

it's the same thing. Some Urhobos use 'n' for 'l' on some words. Example: Ole(= yam in Ughievwen, Udu etc) and One(=yam in Agbon, Agbarho etc). I believe it's clear now.

Nicho118:
u dey go Galilee?

Yes o. After mass ehn, no be small groove for my school Church o.

Happy Easter.

Oniovo me cha. Me hevu r'uwevwi r'ega(Ishoshi). Efewestern please it's not true that tye title Olorogun was important into Urhobo land by Michael Ibru. The title was already in use for a long time in history before Ibru was born.
What Michael did was popularize the practice of being addressed Olorogun in public by Urhobo Chiefs. Most titled people then followed the general pattern which most people still use till today by being addressed simply as "Chief". In other words, Michael Ibru carried his ethnic identity and tribal title with great pride and he was admitted for that hence the emulation by many people.

OLOROGUN
I've made some observations and findings too and I quite agree that the word Olorogun most probably has it's origin in Yoruba(and maybe Itsekiri) language.
You can break the word into two - Olori(=Head or leader) and Ogun(=War) in the Yoruba language. Many titles in many Southern Nigeria cultures in those days were born by highly influential people who in occasions acted as War leaders in periods of strife... I will use another Urhobo title to explain further. In addition, there are a class of Chiefs that I know of in Yoruba who are regarded as Olorogun- you find this among the Yoruba tribes native to Lagos especially the Awori and from the link you provided, we also have them in Ota, Ogun state. I'm very sure the use of the title is not limited to the above mentioned places in Yoruba land.

Various Urhobo Titles.

OKAKURO
This is another Urhobo title for Chiefs which I believe is more original and older than Olorogun. Ekakuro(collective) is commonly used in Urhobo and is the official title of the Chiefs of Urhobo clans like Agbon, Okpe among others. According to my findings, the word, is again, made up of 2 separate words of Edo(and maybe ancient Urhobo) origin - Okao(=leader) and Okhuo(=war). Notice the semantic similarity it has with Olorogun. If I wanna digress a little further, you'll observe that in Agbon for example, the eldest person in any community, a highly respected position in Urhobo is referred to as 'Okarorho' which can be translated as head or leader(Oka or Okao) of the the community(Orho).

OHONVWORE
The Ehonvwore are a class of Chiefs in Urhobo land common among the ancient Urhobo kingdoms like Ughelli, Ogor, Agbarha etc. They form the council of the King and the narrative of it's origin in Ughelli points to the days of Imperial Benin when some Urhobo clans established political ties with Benin. This title is associated with monarchy.

ADEH
Adeh are a very unique class of Chiefs peculiar to the Ughievwen people(and Udu in recent times) of Urhobo. It's an ancient title that is associated with the grand patron of Ughievwen, the deity Ogba Urhie till this day. And they constitute 1 of the 4 councils which constitute the traditional government of Ughievwen. It is only through devotion to Ogba Urhie and attainment of wealth and high social class that one can obtain this title not from the monarchy(Ughievwen, until colonial rule, was largely Republican like many other Urhobo clans with the exception of a few who had ancient Kings). There is a separate class of Chiefs(just Ilorogun) who receive their titles from the monarch of Ughievwen.

The above list is not exhaustive. There are others which I can't remember now in some other areas of Urhobo/Isoko.
From the above, you'll see that Urhobo has various classes of Chiefs depending on the history, area and function. what I know growing up, the title Olorogun is more like a collective title for various types of Chiefs and the name have easily become the generally accepted name for Urhobo Chiefs.

Thanks.

eedu247:
THANKS TO MY ALLAH NOW THE CHRITAINS ARE LINKING THEIR HERITAGE TO NATURE AS IN ISLAM IFCONLYVTHEY CAN SURRENDER TO OTHER ISLAM PRINCIPLES AND BELIEF AS INSRUCTED BY ALLAH.

Which Islamic heritage or principles are you talking about
? Mind you, Christiandom predates Islam. Look up again, as at when the fixing of the dates started, Muhammed has not been born.
Thank you.

ricmx:
so una dey follow muslim dey drag moon kontinu

Many cultures the world over, infact most cultures use the moon and other celestial bodies in calculating dates so it's normal. In my own culture, we use the moon too. Infact, moon and month have the same name and are pronounced same way because we take a full moon as one month. Yoruba too is the same and I think likewise is Igbo and others.

Scientifically and geographically speaking too, one of the moon's greatest importance is calculation of time afterall the moon determines night and day so we are in order in accordance with how the Almighty creator has designed the Universe. Thanks.

Happy Easter.

Qmerit:
Thank you very much bros oo did you see a lot of "may" there in the past and coming yrs?
So, that it must be at most April 28 is not working..

You're welcome brother. What was definitely stated In the explanation was that it must be after March 21st. I think that April 28 cap there is mainly for the Western Church(Roman Catholic which is the largest universally). If you check, you'll see that it(April 28 limit) holds true for "western" in the main topic. The Eastern Churches(Orthodox, Coptic and other non-Roman Catholics) have some substantial variations between them and Rome so I'm not surprised at all. But we all are united under Christ and that's what is important.

Happy Easter to you and your family.
Thanks.

Qmerit:
Wow !!! I saw "May" and it is obvious no specific day for it.... How is the date known or fix it? and why not same day like Christmas? For me all the dates are in assumption and if so, when was the real good friday?

Wait, I'm coming.

***Have you ever wondered why the date of Easter Sunday changes from year to year? Here's an excerpt.
''Father Dr Fredrick Njoroge, a chaplain
at Moi University’s main campus,
explained that since the year 325, Easter
Sunday has been timed to occur after
March 21.
He said the dates were determined by
calculations by mathematicians and
astrologers sanctioned by the Catholic
Church centuries ago.
The church, he said, currently knows the
date of the annual Easter Sunday until
the year 4099.
“If Jesus does not come back before
4099, we already have the dates,” Dr
Njoroge said.
Because of the irregular nature of the
moon’s rotation patterns, the full moon
can occur in March or April, which
explains why Easter dates change from
year to year.
Next year’s Easter Sunday will be on
April 16 while the 2018 one will be on
April 1.
“Easter can occur as early as March 22 or
as late as April 25, which now tells us
why sometimes it will fall within April''.

Happy Easter.

cheruv:
Directly to opobo not bonny...

Bonny lies at the mouth of the bonny river while opobo lies at the mouth of the Imo river(also called opobo river too)

Oh yes, you're correct.
Thanks.

TRUSTEDPAY:
U seem well knowledgable how about the blue river in abia state I heard it is close to atlantic ocean

Can there be anyway forward from there

Yes it's a beautiful River. I think the place is called Uruakwu or so(not sure) in Abia. That place will be good for a River Port because it's linked directly to Bonny on the Atlantic in Rivers State.

But from the pictures I've seen, that place will be good for a river tourism park.

ovoP:
Urhobo 4rm uvwie

Oniovo Mavo? I think you should be making a case for Warri Port since you're from Delta. That port used to be quite busy before just like Onne in Rivers.

But honestly, for a large heavy duty port, I will recommend Akwa-Ibom(Ibaka, Ibom or so) because it's central to the Eastern areas and other Southern areas.
Also, that area has the adequate depth unlike Warri and Onne which appear not deep enough. Calabar no bad before but it's at a corner and Cameroun dey disturb too.

So I go with Akwa-Ibom for a deep seaport but call for the development of Warri and Onne ports plus Onitsha and Sapele River ports.

raker300:
The only reason we get insulted for investing in southwest (lagos) is because of the sea port there.

Anambra State sea port is already there, dredge the river so that ships will come in and go out directly from the east and watch how igbos will abandon Lagos.

Anambra already has the highest indigenous companies in Nigeria, in a spirit to grow Nigerian local market, this should be a way to go.

The state is also over the top security conscious..with development at an alarming rate. Just seems fair


Below:
1. Onitsha sea port

2. Onitsha industrial estate close to sea port

What Onitsha have is a River Port not Sea Port. Even Sapele in Delta state which is at the banks of the River Ethiope and closer to the Sea is still a river port though needs attention. The closest part of the South East to the Sea is around the River Imo(I think somewhere in Abia state) which is directly connected to Bonny on mouth of the River at the Sea and Even then, it'll still be a river port.

Environmentally, dredging the River Niger further at Onitsha might also be dangerous for farming and fishing communities up and down stream hence needs serious carefulness.

What we should look at is developing our River ports in the South East and the establishment of a large, operational Sea Port at Akwa-Ibom which will improve commercial activities in the South South/East.

Solowande:
hey! Onovo oma ganre?

E, oma ganre o.

Solowande:
Na dis one urhobo dey call 'Eron'.
Dis fish go make sense for inside banga soup popularly call 'Amedi' in my place.

Yes o. Na Korrect life Size Erhon.
Oniovo mi yeru we o.

Okay o

I believe the man was saying the truth and the criminals in this govt. felt threatened hence his arrest. Acting President Osinbajo, if you know you're not a party to the fraud in the central bank, RELEASE Babatunde Gbadamosi NOW!

cyrilamx:
And yet we Edos allowed an igbo man as archbishop in Benin arch diocese...u see while I said the luxury non-indigene esp igbos enjoyed in Benin should be reviewed. If igbos are rejecting one of their own and practice deep entrenched tribalism among themselves even in Catholic Church, then we binis have to protest against the continous stay of igbo man as archbishop wen we have bini priests...

You don't have to follow a bad example. Before Akabueze, there was Richard Burke from Warri(my Diocese)... Akabueze will also not stay as Archbishop of Benin forever. That's how it is.
I'm sure the Papacy will not bulge in it's choice of Bishop for Ahiara Diocese. Leave them to continue with their nonsense but don't feel Benin too should follow suit... What is bad is bad.

If we really love Jesus Christ and his Church, We must follow sound Christian doctrine.

The Church is one.
God bless you.

But why all these unnecessary politics in the body of Christ?
Are the Mbaise people ignorant of "Obedience and Sacrifice", to Christ and his Vicar on Earth(The Pope) which is among the core values of the Catholic Church?
Let's even be practical here, have the Pope done any wrong by appointing for you, a Bishop to be a Pastor for you? The appointed Bishop which these people are rejecting, Okpalaeke is clearly an Igbo even if he's not from Ahiara Diocese or an Mbaise person. What if he was Yoruba, Urhobo, Hausa, Edo, Ibibio or even a European... You would have set the Diocese on fire?


This rubbish must stop. The Pope has his reasons and his authority cannot and must not be defiled on these clannish grounds.
The Priests of the Diocese must rise up and re-educate their people of the right thing to do.

God bless us and bless the Universal Church.

davidif:
That right there is the perfect response to this silliness. Its so embarrassing.

Errrrm I think I disagree.
Read the post again.
As much as possible, we must try to authenticate claims with the instruments of science. Not just limiting ourselves to myth and legend.
This is why we're in the 21st century, man.

Kudos to the initiators of this.

Like seriously? Wow!

I support this position 100%.
If Nigeria must progress, we must address these issues from the root.

Chei.
Lalasticlala dey come o

FTC o. Wow! Lala never disappoints. *Dancing skelewu
Seun Oga boss Oya o. My award.

Restructuring nooni.

MSEdLAW:
Myopic......denial......the OLU of IWERRE KINGDOM ( WARRI KINGDOM) THE only first class ruler in Warri.....live with it or die trying....

Who told you the Olu is the Only first class King in Warri?
For your info, in Warri South L.G there are 2 other first class monarchs - Orhifi, Ovie of Agbarha-Warri and the Orosuen of Okere-Urhobo.

They all have staffs of Office from the State Govt so cool down and stop spreading falsehood.

fratermathy:
It is called "Utie" in Urhobo!

Yeah yeah. Utie avwagadava to be precise.