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spacetacular:
Deceit? You used pictures to try to push your deception which was why I said a trained eye can tell the difference. So if I may ask sir how well trained are your eyes medically?

My eyes are psychologically well trained and since the video is trying to show us a psychological artwork, I could detect its fakeness straightaway. However, the explanation you were making up there still didn't make sense, but only to the gullibles will it make sense.

spacetacular:
I took my time to watch the video first. All of it. It takes a trained eye to detect reality from make believe and I am a trained eye sir with 6 years Paramedic experience and another 3 in the trauma unit of a hospital. The first pictures of the mad man are true injuries as they clearly show chaffing on the skin and lacerations going below the skin line with no inflammatory indication. Plus you can clearly see the flaking skin from chain burns or from the lengthy cutting off of blood supply to his wrists and ankles from the chains being on too tight which would also cause the lacerations on his wrist and ankles.

Your own picture however is a clear fake as cuts of that nature in your picture do not have clean swells around the edges. When they do it's septic and I see none of that in your picture. Plus the cuts are too consistent to be real which also shows that it's made up.

In movies people tend to overdo the injury look and like I said, a trained eye can tell the difference.

Keep deceiving yourself.

As graphic as this picture below is, yet it isn't real. It is a snapshot from a Nollywood movie. Now tell me why the one here should be realler than this.

analice107:
Sir, i know you'll respond to Otem. never o.

Are u obsessed with my name?

felixomor:
Otem
Has fooled himself here again.
Telling lies just because of a simple video


Mscheww,
I wonder how these guys really sleep at night.

LOL, I don't sleep at night
I fly in the night

Gombs:
Every one please note... This guy isn't about knowing the truth. He's a joke.

How can a man be willing to subject himself to the above "Humiliation" just because of a "movie role"... And looking at the below pic saying it was a fake wound

I watch this exact kind of wounds in Nollywood movies nowadays. Are Nollywood wounds also real?

Oloruntobi4382:
Otem and lie are like 5&6. For you to claim in 2017 that Jesus never existed, bro you must either know it's true and you are hiding it or you are ignorant which i know you ain't. There are many text by first century historians that talked about Jesus and a simple google search will clear that.
I thought DOCTUFOS means DOCTRINES OF UFOS, so atum is an unidentifiable flying object? Bro, to make your work very real try to make it correspond with historical facts.
I don't serve Yahweh because he does not exist and only a creation from the mind of the jews. Jesus existed and he was different from the imaginary Yahweh in every aspect.
Yahweh was only a combination of the actions of the sumerian gods. If you read the Torah very well, you will discover Moses was just using the imaginary Yahweh as the inspiration of his deadly activities.

Jesus was different, he preached love, studied buddhism, raised his consciousness, revealed miseries unto us. Jesus was made a deity and his story was change to that of horus.

The historians who wrote about Jesus didn't write him as someone they knew physically, but as a hero being heralded from mouth to mouth. Do you believe that Oduduwa, Obatala, Ajantala, Osun, Yemoja etc exist with us within the homo sapien time frame? These characters are delivered to us by our forefathers too, yet none of them saw these characters. Now let me explain my point to you: there was actually a character who existed on earth millions of years back who exhibited some of the characteristics given to fictitious Jesus in an adulterated and exaggerated form. That character was Faulkin who died in Sodom-Egypt millions of years back.
Now Paul, Eusebius and his cohorts brought back the story of this Faulkin with positive exaggerations and made him look real as if he actually existed on earth around their own time. That's what is happening all around the world concerning religion. A particular scribe would get a revelation about a past god, write him as if he is currently in his own time, then after 200 years, the people would start passing the message from mouth to mouth as if they were there when the so-called person was on earth. Then after 1000 to 2000 years, the fictitious character would be everywhere in the books.

Once again, the Jesus in the Bible didn't exist, because there was never any god or son of a god who existed on earth during the period of we homo sapiens. They all left millions of years back in the period of the homo erectuses and when some humans meditate , they come across one of them and they tell them to write about them as if they were in existence, say 100 years back from the present time.

Thank God for Internet nowadays. It will help us to know real people from fictitious people.

Paulscholari:
looking at the bolded what is His name?

God is his name, except if humans want to christen God in whatever name they wish.

I just finished watching the beginning of the video very very well. How come they took video record of him when he was still at home manifesting madness? They even showed the so-called wounds on his legs with the camera in zoomed mode. Did his family already know that he would be healed? They didn't do the drama very well. Mtchew.

Gombs:
So, you're saying those wounds are made up and that was a movie?

Yes the wounds aren't real. The bro wasn't mad. The video is too mumuish. Until I see such miracle recorded from a psychiatric hospital with my own video camera, I can't accept such make-believe. It's too obvious that it was acted. Besides, the guy looks like a thief

Joagbaje:
Anyone who watch the video will know that you didn't wach it. you just forwarded to snap picture and in a hurry to rubbish it. Thats not very nice. can you kindly also snap the picture of the wound of the chain on his leg both the dry would and the fresh wound which shows he had been on chain for long . and such a wound could only have come by struggle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtx4VI4D2y8?t=433

Finally, if you say he acted madness before [ a lie ofcourse] can you kindly show such proof.

Even nollywood can now do make up that will appear as real wounds when it isn't real. The so called wound doesn't appear convincing enough. Bring on another video. Thanks.

Joagbaje:
watch the video first. then respond intelligently

I have watched the poorly acted film. I even took a snapshot so that anywhere I see the guy again showfacing as a testifying to a miracle of maybe lameness, blindness, etc. I can easily recognise him as the one who featured as a mad guy earlier. That's his daily job, acting miracles. Pls info. to all unbelievers, let us start snapshooting the tesifiers and writing the testimonies they gave on their pictures. Then any day we catch them again with another kind of contradictory testimony in another church in another town or country, we can use our evidence to save at least one sheeple from sheepishness.

If you free the sheeple next to you
And I free the sheeple next to me
In all kinds of whether we all work together
And see what can be done.
In no time at all, we'll have them all
So free them, free them
One by one.

hopefulLandlord:
who "knew" the mad man

CC OtemAtum

"Chronicle madness" says one of the pastors.
Mumu video for Mumu sheeple. Joagbaje, which of the pastors are you?

Chapter Six
1. When Anoni did not cooperate with the popes and bishops, they took him back to Aferk in a ship, for they said, we shall not return you to Anghloz where we took you from.
2. And they returned Anoni to Yande, which was a city around the place where he was taken from. And some homos of the land saw Anoni by the rocks. And they went to call for his parents. Now while they were departing, Anoni knew that they shall come and have him by force.
3. For such thing did his parents to him in the first time of his existence in the world, when he was dwelling among the anakims. For his parents of those days came with whips and took him back home forcefully.
4. And Anoni said, I shall not let the event of the past coincide with the present event this particular time. Therefore he climbed a tree and remained there. And he saw his parents coming for him from far away.
5. For they came with objects of which they would tie him. For they thought that he was mad.
6. And when they came closer, they did not see him at the foot of the rock. And Anoni remained quietly upon the tree until they had left.
7. Now Anoni went to fetch the Bezui fruit which had pink liquid in its flesh. And Anoni squeezed the flesh of the Bezui upon a woolly plant. And he began to make impressions upon the rocks.
8. And Anoni wrote words around a great rock. And the things which he wrote became a mystery to the people of the land all through the days of Anoni. And many of them feared that some evil beings had come upon the earth to destroy it.
9. Now the things which Anoni wrote upon the rock are these: you rock, a time will come when you shall be broken into pieces. And you shall not remain forever upon this spot in Yande.
10. For useful you shall be upon the land of Yande, from Kiu to Bamada. For your energy shall be changed from one form to another. And they shall cure sicknesses with the stones which you shall produce.
11. And your stones shall become objects of meditation.
12. Now Anoni left the place and went towards the sea shore. And there he became totally fixed into other realities, but his body remained alive in the reality called earth. For his past friends who were with him on earth thousands of years back did call for him to join them in their spaces of realities.
13. And Kumi, one of those whom he spoke with said, why do you choose to have your mind in this reality while your body remain alive on earth? And you do not know how people look pitiably at you at the moment.
14. For they see you as mad already. Now go back into the earth reality, for the sake of your parents who have seen you and are crying everyday that you should be restored. Or you should come here to us permanently.
15. For the things you tell them whenever they ask you questions are like the words of a sleep-talker. But here, you speak intelligently with us because your mind is here and not there.
16. Therefore return to the earth with your mind, rather than leaving it here and leaving your body on earth to constitute a nuisance to the people on the earth reality.
17. And Anoni said, I shall do as you have said, but what shall we make to be like the cause for the cure of my madness to the homos of the world who are narrow-minded?
18. Then Akash said, let us play with the minds of the foreigners who believe that they can achieve all feat by praying to their god.
19. Now in those days, Grego the son of Mulla and Berch, the son of Tomas, two foreigners who believed in Zeusus Krista came forward. For the homo of the land had requested that they should cure Anoni.
20. And while they prayed and meditated deeply, Akash and Kumi made them to see the image of Anoni in a flash. And when they woke, they said, indeed our god have revealed to us that we should go ahead and cure Anoni.
21. And they came to Anoni and said, you demon tormenting this homo, come out of him in the name of Zeusus Krista. And Kumi and Akash waved to Anoni to tell him goodbye. And Anoni waved back at them after kissing them.
22. And the mind of Anoni returned into the physical world. And he saw his parents and said, father, mother, where was I? Where am I?
23. And his parents took him happily. And they accepted Krishtanite so well in Yande, because of the thing they thought Zeusus Krista had done for them.
24. And they accepted the foreigners more into their land.
25. Now when Anoni saw the bishops and priests praying again with all zealousness, he laughed privately and said, Kumi and Akash who answered your prayers are no more anywhere near the earth. Therefore it is only at the mercy of the consciousnesses and light waves to bring your requests to pass.
26. And Anoni said, Rastus of old did say that the prayer of one man can be answered coincidentally or intentionally by the actions of another man who does not even belong to the same ideology of god with the praying homo.
27. For human beings are connected to one another and they are the answers to the prayers of themselves, being the gods needed by one another.

enshy:
Your poor reasoning makes me sick.
I just told you life is not unending...We all must die.
He didnt even pray for the wife for it was time to go!
How on earth would Otem of all people use the statement 'use your brain'?
It seems like a drunkard who says he isnt drunk but his sane helper who is trying to clean him up and cover his shame is the drunk one.
Otem I put it to you that your posts lack coherence, clarity and intelligence .

So Kumuyi knew that his wife must die right? He didn't even pray for the wife because he knows that his god Yahweh doesn't answer prayers, that's why. All the other prayers he renders for his congregation is to keep the sheeple remaining in the sheepfold, nothing more. The day your eyes will open ehn, it will do you like film trick.
May the light of God quickly come upon your brain.

Wilgrea7:
if its for history then I'm afraid its doing a really bad job historically... but basically, different religions have different purposes.. not all are about worshipping a god.. take Buddhism for example.

How many times will I tell you that the content of the DOCTUFOS you have seen so far are the histories of the time of the big bang to the time of the homo Erectus. Our own history of homo sapiens hasn't yet entered into it. That's when you can judge if it doesn't go with homo sapien history or not, not now when it is still not yet fully revealed.

Wilgrea7:
you got a job because you worked harder... your nightmares left because you stopped fearing them.. none of the benefits you listed are alien to Christianity.. so quit feeling that your life became better because you started calling a certain God names.. your life is better because you worked hard to make it so

MY GUY I DIDN'T WORK HARDER BEFORE EVERYTHING FELL IN PLACE O. In fact, It was the lowest moment of my effort the good job came and everything about me became better. However, it is all about the fact that I discovered my mission and right position on earth. Nobody will discover his mission on earth and remain the same.

The greatest consciousness human beings called God didn't even say one word or promise one thing concerning how the universe should be run. Mumu gods like Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Enlil etc are the ones who came with their nonsensical philosophies of protection, provision, longevity of life, etc as long as you are worshipping them. Now when they don't keep their nonsense promises, human beings come back to their primary purpose of existence, which is THE USE OF THE BRAIN TO JUDGE EVERY matter, rather than the use of the words of the gods.

I'm happy for you OP for freeing yourself from the Nonsense of religion into the haven of brain-using.

enshy:
You have proven me right as per my assertions of you.
If you knew death must happen to all, why are you bothered about Mummy Biodun Kumuyi's death and others?
What were you dragging with me then?
Our God never gauranteed unending life on earth!
This ends our discussion then!
Thank You

Did I sound like I was bothered? What I was saying was that Kumuyi who said he cured a woman of ebola and can't cure his wife of cancer is an antithesis. How was he able to cure ebola of someone far away when he couldn't cure cancer of his dearly beloved? I am not saying that it is bad that she died, so try to get me right before talking okay? Use your brain.

enshy:
Otem please you make no sense at all.
My point: No one lives forever, death is sure for all without exemption!

Who doesn't know that before? So why are you bringing it up in this our matter? It isn't relevant to our topic here na.

enshy:
You see why I insist your posts are watery and too shallow for me.
How does the rubbish up there add to the discussion?
My intention has never been to make you emotional however your response shows childish emotions!
Grow Up!

So explain all these if not for emotional game:

First you said you were bleeding in your heart
When that didn't work, you resorted into that solemn and sober aspect of reality called 'death'
Then you asked me to go and think about what you said.
Then I give it to you that I'm still in contact with my past emotions especially thru hymn books. I sometimes read Bible too and sure what I get in return are Bible chapters stored subconsciously in my brain when I was a Christian. There was a day I saw a chapter of Isaiah and even before I woke up to open it and read, I already know it would be the one of threat. Lol and behold I went to check it and I saw it there. LWKMD that day

enshy:
You made no sense to the Wise at all.
Only the gullible would appreciate this depth of 'folly in words'
Our Faith teaches that 'it is appointed unto man once to die...'
Death for us isnt end of life per say...it is our transport into eternal life.
We must all die if Jesus tarries, death makes us all equal.
God will keep no one alive forever on earth.
This simple truth you dont know keeps you groping in the darkness of folly.
Man,pause and read the meaningful posts so you can be Wise!

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeee aaaarrrrrggggghhhh! Death! I am so afraid of death right now. How come I haven't even pondered on the day of my death before all the while. Thanks Enshy, you have opened my inner eye to the 'emotional truth'.

Death Ko, judgement ni
What you wrote here doesn't even trigger my emotion enough. Hymn books are the best emotion triggers and past memory opener. Mheen, anytime I feel like I wanna open the part of my brain where some past Christian informations are stored, I take my hymn books and sing hymns to sleep. Come and see how I always find myself in church again in my dreams anytime I do that, with wonderful songs like LOVE LIFTED ME pouring into my ears in those sleeps. Well... that's my only way of attending church services ever since I physically left going to church since December 31, 2015

hopefulLandlord:
apparently the word "gullible" has a different meaning according to Enshy

When I saw him use the word, I laughed violently. I never imagined a sheep(sheepish) using that word against human beings(thinkers).

Wilgrea7:
believe me.. the Judeochristian God couldn't care less about the doctufos.. if He didn't stop other religions he definitely wouldn't stop yours bro.. I've come to understand there's way more to the Judeochristian God than what is in any of the holy books.. I'm just trying to stop you from making that mistake.. cheers

LOL, you didn't talk about how Enlil and Moloch couldn't stop other religion, you are talking about how Yahweh alone. FYI, religion is about worshipping a god while the DOCTUFUS OF TRUTH is only for you to know the history of the Universe. It isn't for you to be religious. If it is mistake I am making, guy, this mistake has really worked for me, removing my nightmares, getting me job 1000% more than my previous job, curing all my ailments, helping me to have enough to provide for some of the needs of others rather than for the need of the pot-bellied pastors. etc. . I love this mistake die

enshy:
Man, I wasnt surprised at your post at all.
I knew it had to be you...The level of folly and malady couldnt have emanated from no other moniker.
Recall I told you only two monikers are at this depth of folly on nairaland and you are on top!
Your posts are so watery that I feel ashamed when I read them...I bleed in my heart! You need help!!
God has to show you much Mercy! Amen!!

Pls don't bleed in your heart, while I am laughing with my mouth at your sheepishness. Don't you wonder for once how come none of the lame and blind you know very well aren't cured while all the ones you saw sharing testimonies aren't within your reach? Have you ever wondered while Dora Akunyili died of cancer even though she supported Kumuyi ministry with finance so well? Why did Dr Ameyo Stella have to fight Ebola all alone with her medical practitioners and even died of the disease when Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Lazarus Muoka etc are all here doing nothing to cure it? The truth of the matter is that hospital is where solutions to diseases are and not in a church or mosque. Pls stop bleeding in your heart.

onyenze123:
Thank God oh, at least I no go miss heaven. I am so happy now

this comment made my day.

Martinez19:
I was not expecting the bona-fide members but those that are no longer in the church especially those who might have been disillusioned.

What will anyone have to say? The ways ex-members are cheated is only through tithes, offerings, vows and pledges motivated through words of faith, selling of books and cds of the pastor, holy anointing oil and holy water, collecting huge sum of money from members before joining them together in holey wedlock, etc. If any ex-member comes with these as testimonies against Olukoya as a fraud, nobody would even take it as anything, because for now, only less than 5% of the Nigerian population is seeing all those things as cheating and fraudulent.

And concerning staging of miracles, pastors and prophets don't use their church members. They go and hire those ones. And none of those ones can convert and then come here to say how they have been hired in the past, because that's the job they do and they will do till death. Or how will somebody give up his job because somebody asked him to do so without any higher offer?

Martinez19:
I am asking those who have worked with him and have first hand experience or anything tangible to say. I am convinced that most preachers are fraud but I have never heard of Dr. Dk Olukoya in scandals frequently. Ex - mfm workers, ex- bodyguards of Dr. Olukoya(if he has one) and those with relevant information, speak out.

Why do you expect anyone to come and give somebody up just because you asked here on Nairaland? Will anybody want to do that without you offering some amount of money far far larger than the one they are earning from their business links with a church?

Niflheim:
@OtemAtum,


These words should be pasted in the halls of every tertiary institution and secondary school in Nigeria!!! Brilliant!!!

Thanks for your compliment.

Paulscholari:
explain who Jehovah is

Jehovah is one of the gods of religion, just as Atum is one of the gods of findings(science). All of them together are the children of God Almighty.