Christianity Etc › Re: Fellow Freethinkers, How Do You Handle Being Called A Devil? by OtemAtum: 7:05am On May 18, 2017 |
Deicide: Is your own Christianity different from theirs? Wilgrea7 revised standard version of the bible says Yahweh aka Hashem has never created hell fire and hell fire doesn't exist. Assuming this news was told our parents back then,they would not have converted to Christianity. The fear of hell fire made them convert, but now Wilgrea7 has quenched the fire. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Secrets Behind Miracles And Prayers - My Life Experience by OtemAtum: 3:12am On May 18, 2017 |
zionmade: Thank u for d advice. But i still repeat i dnt do drugs or check ups not because it is wrong (i do advice people to ensure that their medical check ups are up to date) but because i use that same word of God u guys despise to cleanse my body. Its not a matter of how many yrs, its been very very long and i even know of someone whose own is longer dan mine. Those five people I mentioned above was as long as twenty years, but when they got to forty-five to fifty years of age, they began to realise that they had diabetes. Two have died of it after having their legs severed from their bodies, one is completely paralysed while two are managing with strokes. Do medical check-up. It is very useful. DOCTUFOS: Ikilo 3:19-25
19. And she said, God forbid, for I have no need of all such things. For Jesus is my doctor and he shall not let me see any reason to go to the hospital except for child bearing. 20. And her friends laughed, saying, your pastor Akinade, is he not a client of mine? For I, being a nurse, am his private nurse. And he does his medical check-up weekly. And he does not miss it. 21. But he had told you members to depend on Jesus to cure you. Now my friend, take my advice and do your medical check up. For if you are willing, I shall check you for free and know what is your status. 22. Now she agreed and did her check up. And her blood sugar was discovered high. And her friend said, surely, this is what has killed all your elder ones. But I shall not allow it to kill you too. For you shall check the intake of sugar into your blood henceforth and you shall be healthy. 23. And also, give your mind enough rest and think not on scary things, but rather nice things. And this shall change your dreams permanently such that you shall have no need of any psalms to read before sleeping. 24. So did the woman and till today, she lives in sound health in Lagos here. Is her name not called Adeola? And she speaks to me, saying, Otem, you are indeed sent to declare the truth. For I have read of you and perceive that you are real. 25. For the things which kill people is not spiritual attacks but heart attacks caused by fear and ignorance. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Secrets Behind Miracles And Prayers - My Life Experience by OtemAtum: 2:34am On May 18, 2017 |
zionmade: I dnt care wat u want to believe. But I DONT GO TO HOSPITALS. it didnt take me a day to get to dat level so point of correction. Believe watever u want to believe. Going to the hospital or using medical checkups isn't a bad thing to be forbidden. It's necessary to do medical check up if you have the means. Have you checked your blood sugar level? It's very important, as many christians have become diabetic and hypertensive at their youthful and adult ages and even got strokes and sudden death, all because they felt that Yahweh was doing something to their health while they were still much younger. I know of more than five cases in one church which diabetes turned their lives to something else. Oga abeg, encourage people, if not yourself, to know their blood sugar level before it is too late. |
Christianity Etc › Re: T.B. Joshua Welcomed By Ecuador Military Generals (Photo) by OtemAtum: 10:46pm On May 17, 2017 |
kingsleymike: They used you Nigerias, accumulated wealth and billions and now they are relocating. 
Will never be a follow follow Christian. Nigerians Christians are so gullible that's why these smart men called pastors are thriving. I call them smart. They are not thieves like many people here refer to them. No sector/ministry in Nigeria is booming except the church. Ask yourself why. Some idiots may relate it to God's presence. Where? In Nigeria? Look around you first of all then ask again. Nigeria is the worst place for God to be because we stink of evil, bad deeds and corruption. Even foreign pastors come here to seek for customers because they know they will catch them. Reinhard Bonnke left Germany and came to Nigeria to raise one dead Igbo man in the name of mircale and when the criminal rose that day, the entire congregation were shouting hallelujah. Ask yourself why did he leave Germany to perform that miracle in Nijja. He left for 2 reasons. 1st... He knows well that Nigeria is the market for gullible christians and they will believe any nonsense in the name of miracle. ..2nd. If he tried that in Germany, he will still be serving his jail term by now. Because he will prove to the German public how he raised a certified dead man and believe me, he would never have been able to prove that. It's time for Nigerians to embrace science and technology.... lets embrace education the way we embrace these pastors and their churches and see remarkable changes in Nigeria just short time. Ase! |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Secrets Behind Miracles And Prayers - My Life Experience by OtemAtum: 10:35pm On May 17, 2017 |
zionmade: Dnt mind d OP If i open my mouth and share my own story wit him he will know dat his own is just a kid's play. Many people think Christianity is just father give me dis and whoops u get if and if eventually dnt get it den there is no God. They always try to put God to test on his own existence with things like "if u re God do this" I am glad i realized early enof dat trust in God is all i need. The problem Yahweh has is that he was too loud-mouthed. He promised heaven on earth to his worshippers and he even swore by it. There were instances that he even ask his worshippers to bring money and sacrifices to the storehouse and prove him whether it those bribes if he wouldn't open the windows of heaven and pour them out blessings, bla, bla, bla. Yahweh's noisy promises are just too many to his followers. But he can't fulfill any of those things. God Almighty, the highest consciousness who created Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Mazda, Moloch and all the other gods did not make any promise to human beings. Solutions to all problems are with we the human beings ourselves, because God lives within us. But when we don't know the right place to go to solve a particular problem, then we end up living in delusion. Hospital is the best place for the sick for now. Stay there if you are sick until you get cured. That is the best place human being have made for the matter of cure for now, not a religious house. You want to travel abroad, using aeroplane to do it is the real option for now, not disappearing and reappearing there. You want to go through the waters, ship, canoes and boats are the right thing human beings have made for it. But some people are thinking of walking on water and they die of it. You want to make an amputee walk again? Church is the wrong place for that. Prosthetics legs are the right choice for that and you can acquire them from human beings, not from any religious gods. As long as human beings neglect the right solutions for the wrong ones, they would continue to deny themselves of the benefits of the UNIVERSE embedded in human beings. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Secrets Behind Miracles And Prayers - My Life Experience by OtemAtum: 10:24pm On May 17, 2017 |
ftechclass: Mumcy was admitted in a Psychiatric Hospital for just 30days and her condition became something of the past.
Imagine, 30days, something Yahweh couldn't do from 2006 - 2014 Something Anointing water couldn't do...
Just drugs and lobatan DOCTUFOS: Aferk 29:32-37
32. I do not want to say this, but I shall do so; you have heard that you should not mix religion with the matter of health. I also add this; do not mix religion with the matter of business. 33. For whatever you mix religion with shall not succeed. For many great nations have been brought down by religion. 34. And many great kingdoms have been crushed by the weight of religion. And many honest nations have been made dishonest by the lies of religion. 35. And many wise nations have turned to foolishness by the dirt of religion. And corruption have become the portion of many empires who were once great and full of integrity. 36. For Hindi lie low because of religion. And Egept is forgotten because of the religion they accepted. 37. Therefore I say again, do not mix your business with religion. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Daughter’s After-death Visit by OtemAtum: 10:00pm On May 17, 2017 |
Wilgrea7: *posts a story of the afterlife/death*.... otem is cool with it *posts a story of the afterlife/death with the Christian God in it as a compassionate being* otem loses his mind Such afterlife of a Christian god(yahweh) in it as compassionate has never existed for eons. All we have heard concerning such is the christian god taking their souls to he'll and telling them, GO BACK TO THE WORLD TO WARN MY PEOPLE  I'll give you an account of what happened IN THE DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH. DOCTUFOS: Histar 2:11-31
11. So also are the afterlives described by the inks and books of the scribes of religions. For Yahweh is not whom you think him to be. For he lurks around the gates of this Valley to lure people to another place where illusions of fire is made for them. 12. Did I not partake also in the illusion of fire because of the thoughts of my mind? For on my dying bed, I listened to the Krishtens who spoke kindly to me and by so doing, I did accept whatever judgement I should be judged with. 13. And when my eyes were shut, I saw myself following after one who wore white cloth. And he led me to a place full of fire. And he laughed and said, you have believed in me, therefore wherever I put you shall be your place. 14. I am Faulkin the son of Yahweh. You are found guilty of a sin which you did not confess before you die. 15. Now I asked, saying, what is the sin which I did not confess? And he said, did you confess all your sins? And I thought deeply and said, I can't remember all the sins I have ever committed. 16. And he said, as long as you cannot remember all your sins, then it is reasonable to say that there are some of them which you have not confessed. 17. And I said, lord if you know my sins, tell me now and let me confess them. And Yeshua said, it is too late. Come with me. 18. And I followed after him into a fire. And I saw in it a creature whose figure was great and the terror of his face was mighty. 19. And he said, I am Satan. And while I wailed in the fire, he laughed and said, I have all the power and authority to punish your species in my everlasting fire. 20. Now there were some who screamed and cursed, saying, God, you are evil. For you have made this fire to torment us and not to even torment Satan as your book have said. For this Satan does not even appear as if the fire hurts him at all. And all his angels are not affected by your fire also. For they laugh weird laughter at us and punish us, feeling no pain at all. 21. And we cry in the fire, but Satan whom you have made the fire for is always laughing in it. For he feels no pain at all. And he still has the strength to strike us with his weapons, laughing hard. Yet you said that you have made this place for Satan and his angels. 22. Now while they wailed, the evil creature said, I am your god Yahweh, the deceiver himself. I have made the fire for you because you become my followers on earth and then you are bound by my laws. 23. For my laws cannot be broken. For if you break any of my laws, you shall be punished here forever. 24. Now while our wailings continued, a great light came and lightened up the darkness of the smoke of fire. And we heard a voice, saying, I have come to free your souls. For you are seeing the illusions of what you believe in. For you are not in any real fire, but you suffer the imagination of the god whom you worship. For like one on earth who take the weed of tekum and see hallucinations of fire, so are you all. 25. For the afterlife is like a dream of never returning. Now imagine the afterlifes of your choice and you shall find yourself there. 26. And it was so, for every afterlife we all imagined became the places we went. But the imaginations were not our own originally, for our thoughts only matched the thoughts of some good gods who have themselves by their imaginations made good afterlives thousands of years before. 27. And I found myself in this peaceful Valley which I have imagined, knowing not that it is really in existence. 28. And your mother found herself in an afterlife where pets are in abundance, for she imagined that she was with her dead pet dog Ruchi. And she found herself with her. And she was amazed. 29. And when she imagined this Valley of knowledge, she appeared here also. And we were united again. 30. And we become your Guardian angels, saying, when Mulah shall die, we shall not let him pass through the fire of Yahweh at all as we passed through it. 31. Now Mulah, this is the message which you shall take to the world. For some shall know how to submit to their own instincts rather than the philosophy of a god. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 9:54pm On May 17, 2017 |
Joagbaje: Then keep off miracle matters . It will be folly to you
1 Corinthians 2:14 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. TAKE this too DOCTUFOS: Ikilo 3:1 Chapter Three 1. Now know this early before you fall into errors; the house of healing is the hospital. The house of worshipping a god is the temple. Therefore do not go to the temple to seek healing, as you will not also go to the hospital to worship a god. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Third Secret Of Fatima..why Is The Catholic Church Keeping Silent? by OtemAtum: 7:21pm On May 17, 2017 |
What were the first and second secret OP? |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Over The Counter Experience Acting As A"prophetess And Seer", Aderonke Bello by OtemAtum: 7:13pm On May 17, 2017 |
The sheeple must pay |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Secrets Behind Miracles And Prayers - My Life Experience by OtemAtum: 7:05pm On May 17, 2017 |
ftechclass: We visited all these known churches that I see NL CHRISTIANS using all their lifetime to defend. I mean all these mumu business enterprises like - SCOAN abi n'a SCO for the gullible nations, - Winners abi na LOOSERS, - Redeem, - Trinity salvation Church of christ. - Liberation TV church owner pastor Chris Okafor. - CMCM
Abeg make una name the church wey we no visit? Ooooh, I we no go Apostle Daniella Okeke church
IN fact, the so called stupid anointing water of Tuberculosis Joshua didn't work. (anointing water with version release like say na Application/software dem dae develop).
Believe me, all those things we see are just TV shows / dramas I am not always okay with this name Tuberculosis Joshua. If you say Thief B Joshua, I'm okay, because that's whom he is. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 6:54pm On May 17, 2017 |
Joagbaje: WRONG !
If you want to know how miracle works read the Bible .
Matthew 9:27-30 27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. 28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. 29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. 30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.
Matthew 12:13 13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
If this were captured by camera you would call it acted I am not talking about storybook miracles. |
Sports › Re: Amodu Shuaibu’s Son, Suleman, Dies At 12 by OtemAtum: 5:07pm On May 17, 2017 |
RIP |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 5:04pm On May 17, 2017 |
felixomor: If u say there have never been Then you are a liar It takes an experience of an original to detect a fake
So your analysis was based on Lies. Thats the second time yo are caught lying
Secondly, I am still waiting for your proof that you watched the video You haven't made sense yet. Miracles don't happen when you are watching out for it. It happens spontaneously and takes everybody aback. Those preconceived screenplays displayed in the churches are not real. |
Politics › Re: Obituary Of Eugene Anenih, Tony Anenih's Son (Photo) by OtemAtum: 4:49pm On May 17, 2017 |
yourexcellency: RIP to him. Ours too will appear someday after we have all passed 90 years I don't even wish to reach 75years in this world of gullible souls. 90 years is a no-no to me. RIP EUGENE |
Politics › Re: Obituary Of Eugene Anenih, Tony Anenih's Son (Photo) by OtemAtum: 4:48pm On May 17, 2017 |
yourexcellency: RIP to him. Ours too will appear someday after we have all passed 90 years I don't even wish to reach 75years in this gullible world. 90 years is a no-no to me. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 4:31pm On May 17, 2017 |
felixomor: Sorry You have not provided proof that u had watched it I don't believe u. because u took screenshots and fast forwarded I still insist that you lied
And Please can u show us what real life miracle video looks like? since u said this one is nollywood? there has never been any real life miracle videos. Whenever something miraculous would happen, nobody would be ready for it. It happens so unexpectedly that you won't even have imagined it could. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 4:03pm On May 17, 2017 |
Joagbaje: Your picture is so fake na . Are you saying that local church is more advance That church has plenty congregations, how is it a local church? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 4:02pm On May 17, 2017 |
felixomor: That u had watched the video, when u had not. Or did you not lie?
And also where is your own proof that the people in the video are actors? I had watched it. My proof that they are actors is because the whole thing look exactly the way they act Nollywood film. Reality doesn't look like that. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Daughter’s After-death Visit by OtemAtum: 3:55pm On May 17, 2017 |
chieveboy: What?  I believe the story because I have experienced similar things too. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 3:53pm On May 17, 2017 |
felixomor: You that just told a lie because of your desperate unbelief What are you? What's the lie and What's the proof that it's a lie? |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Daughter’s After-death Visit by OtemAtum: 3:44pm On May 17, 2017 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Moslems ...what Are Ur Say To This Fact Cos Am Considering Atheism by OtemAtum: 3:41pm On May 17, 2017 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Spouse are cowards and should be married to Atheist! by OtemAtum: 3:35pm On May 17, 2017 |
Paulscholari: Nonsense!!! If His children have names Yahweh, Allah etc don't you think he has a name! Na wa 4u o. Human beings gave his children those names, so you can decide to give God ALMIGHTY a name too. It depends on you and me. So which unique name have you chosen for GOD ALMIGHTY right now? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 3:33pm On May 17, 2017 |
felixomor: Was that why u first lied that u watched the video? When u just simply fast forwarded and took screenshots? Now u r trying to cover your mess desperately?
This is not the first time, you are doing this You have even accused a baby girl of acting a miracle video on Nairaland before.
All these u are doing is poor damage control. Yes, can anything come out of actors except acting? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 3:30pm On May 17, 2017 |
spacetacular: first you focused on the injuries and called them fake and i have shown you that they are not and that you are the one trying to be deceitful. Now you are shifting from the injuries you earlier claimed as fake to the video and how it played out? What really is the problem with you sir? Do you have an issue with videos or injuries or you simply have an issue with seeing good stuff happen? _ × + =_ Since the miracle is staged and acted, anything there had to be fake to me. I don't tolerate staged miracles in whatever way. The thing is staged, that's the bottom line. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 3:28pm On May 17, 2017 |
joe4christ: Indeed you're right, it's staged. But what I tend to disagree with you on is the wounds being fake. I for one can inflict such injury on myself and even more and act mad for 6months straight up for some couple of millions, payable for my service. I can, and so can many people be willing to do more for a lesser cash. You cant begin to imagine what people are willing to do for money. And yea, the mistake they made was filming him prior to his deliverance. It only proves it's staged  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 3:26pm On May 17, 2017 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Spouse are cowards and should be married to Atheist! by OtemAtum: 11:45am On May 17, 2017 |
Paulscholari: mtcheew, rubbish! You must have had an F in your English studies cos Am sure you don't know that the word "God" is an English language! A noun attributed to a supernatural immortal being with super powers! Go and read and come back for more educated and enlightened dialogue When I say God is his name, I mean he is the creator. That's all. The word God itself isn't a name for anything apart from a supposed creator. That's why I followed it up by saying that you can christen God(the creator) any name you like, because God has no name as do human. God is God,but I call him GOD THE UNIVERSE. But if you really want to call him a name, then call him any of these names : Father of Yahweh Father of Allah Father of Vishnu Father of Atum, etc. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Fellow Freethinkers, How Do You Handle Being Called A Devil? by OtemAtum: 11:39am On May 17, 2017 |
Wilgrea7: I've been told by my fellow Christians how the devil is using me to spread falsehood  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 11:33am On May 17, 2017 |
felixomor: You started by telling lies that u watched the video Now look at where u are now?
Look at the yeye picture u r pasting. I pity u o. I asked you to compare na. I actually watched the video. The mistake the actors made was that they videoed the man when he was still 'mad' in his house. They even stayed outside the house where all eyes would be watching them. My guy, whenever someone is mad, his family members will do all things possible to keep him indoor, so that the family could save the mad person and the family itself some shame. But in that case, they displayed the mad man publicly and even came with very sharp cameras and video recorder to record all the things he was saying. At a point, they even zoomed the camera to focus on the supposed wounds on his leg, so that gullible people like you would see the wound. All the scenes preceeding the supposed miracle ended up making us know that it was really acted. They want to make the supposed wound a point of belief for us, but once again, they failed. However, gullible people shall remain gullible, no matter how shallow the scenes seem to be. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Jeremiah healed Known Mad Man On Live TV. by OtemAtum: 11:19am On May 17, 2017 |
spacetacular: Psychological "artwork"? Use words you can relate with sir. Since you allege that my explanation makes no sense to you then it means you are medically deficient in knowledge to be able to tell the difference between physical superficial wounds and profound wounds. You would never make a credible trauma analyst especially when you use terms like psychological artwork in exchange for actual injuries. What I'm telling you is that those who made the video were artists who are well grounded in psychology, but for those who have inner eyes, they can easily detect the fakeness of the drama put up there. |