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Job 2:3 (KJV)
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause

Walk us through the distinction between PERFECT and UPRIGHT

Good people, I have just mentioned Serpent Seed and he comes one proponent. What was so special about Seth? Was his DNA pure? Ok. You mean ONLY Noah was the living descendant of Seth at the time of the flood?

as much as i dont agree with brahamites, i don't see where d person u quoted said anything in support of William Braham's errors. Asking what was so special about seth shows uv never consciously traced the genealogy of Jesus Christ as given in d book of luke 3.
It was after seth was born that men started communicating with God again And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord .
Genesis 4:25-26 KJV cain was cursed.

vooks:
He got drunk AFTER the flood

You are a believer and who knows, God forbid you may be a blasphemer tomorrow

he planted d garden. Brewed the alcohol nd drank to stupor. He must av known d art all along. Well debating dis topic can go on for ever and there are other "weightier matters of the law" which we mustn't neglect too. I pray God will give us more insight into His word

vooks:
Perfect as used for Noah is exclusively used for integrity and uprightness when used with men and I just gave you examples. Do you believe this?

but he was a drunk na he drank nd exposed his unclothedness. Dat doesn't sound like a morally upright person to me.

vooks:
You are right in your assertion thT there was no perfection before the cross. You get it bad in your conclusions.

When we read of perfect men in OT so much that God used them as examples, it means perfect in those days meant somewhat different from the NT concept. But it does not automatically mean perfect is biological, for why would God be bragging to Satan about Job's genetic purity?

it doesn't have to b genetic. Abraham believed
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Romans 4:9 KJV
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Romans 4:3 KJV
I mean God standard for judging perfection in d old testament is completely different from persons to persons as he dealt with them.

vooks:
The same word is used of Job in 1:1 so this explanation of yours does not hold much water.

Tell me,
1. are you Michaelangelo100 PERFECT like Noah?
2. How did you know you were PERFECT?
3. What would you do if you found you were not PERFECT?

if it was possible for man to attain perfection by works as job did cos we could see him sacrificing for possibly d sin of his children Its as good as saying Jesus died in vain. Before d cross there was no perfection.

sammieomoba:
Pls how can we get there? Is the company along the ikrd road or where is the nearest bustop

obanikoro bus stop

@ vooks, I am of the opinion that since it was impossible for man to enter perfection b4 Jesus Christ came, probably God judged perfection of man based on different standard. Looking at those whom God made covenant with in d scripture b4 d coming of Jesus, non could b said to b actually morally perfect. D first covenant was with Adam which was actually incomplete because it wasn't sealed so lets Forget it. D second is noah who is actually d subject matter of discourse sealed with a rainbow, d third is Abraham who only believed God and God counted it to him as righteousness, God made covenant with an imperfect children of Israel and he sealed it with d law (tables of stone in d ark of covenant) God made covenant with the David and even regarded him as d man after God's heart.
I believe noah perfection was as a result of his genetic cleanliness. Forget all we were taught and read d book of Genesis 6 and seven. God specifically told Noah to build the ark for his family and God gave him d dimensions because of the animals that were gonna come in. Remember that it took about 30yrs for this ark to be built nd completed. Non of the child of noah had a child wen dey were entering d ark so it is possible dey quickly got married. I am not dogmatic in dis my theory o but i think its a bit logical.
You may still want to question why God will allow an impure seed into the ark but remember that even Christ said in a parable that it is at d end he is gonna separate the sheep from the goat but for the time he will allow them grow together (speaking of the Church)

nnamdiosu:
bro Charles calm down. see..... you have a purpose on this thread. its too help liberate/ give insights that would empower and teach people. if you say something and someone doesn't agree......move on . don't argue with him cos you also are indirectly and unknowingly detailing the thread too. bro vooks is just bearing his mind and saying what he believes. and that's OK. everyone has the right to say what he or she believes . let's move on. God doesn't like arguments. I've missed ur insights and teachings. pls continue. bro vooks .....its OK. this is the second major argument you r having on thus thread. in as much as I like ur arguments and style....I think its getting extreme. God bless us all. peace

dis is d same reason d church isn't United. Wen we have varying opinions, we should seek d Holy Spirit who isn't the author of confusion. If d church is humble enough to seek the Spirit opinion on every issue, I believe d church will be united. Christ is the head d church is d body as long as d church remains in disagreement there can't be revival. The word has to go along with signs and wonder. Bro chalse u shouldn't av stooped into calling names even though u r d op on this thread, i believe other ppl contributions have kept the thread going. Apart from the aggressive nature of bro vooks arguments i believe some of his posts av blessed one or two ppl here (i included). This thread is to expose the devil right? Division is a very powerful tool in the hand of the devil. Ignoring offensive posts isn't too difficult to do. Wen we sense argument in d air, we can avoid it Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
James 3:13-18 KJV

@vooks, bro chalse is correct abt there being nephilims after d flood. Av u considered d size of goliath as described in d bible? His height alone is like an electric pole today. He was a nephilim. So historian believed dat one of d wives of sons of noah carried d nephilim seed. God made a covenant wit noah not to destroy d earth wit a flood anymore so He raised up d nation of israel to eliminate d nephilims. Wat i dont quite agree with is d theory dat demons are spirit of nephilims because tracing d geneology of adam to noah its less dan 10 generations which does not explain how come demons are more than billions in number.

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angelwings22:
Hi

Very interesting forum here. I am a psychic healer and perform alot of work in the spiritual healing areas.

I also photograph energy and would like to share some here with you all if I am permited.

I have had experience with entitys and KNOW that if you have no fear they cannot harm you. God gave us authority over our own free will. No -thing has authority over you as long as you state that. It can sometimes be a battle. But prayer and calling for spiritual protection is needed.

I also teach in the spiritual areas I believe my "calling" is to provide evidence of the other dimensional realms that exist within ours. I also provide education within the areas of natural health and cures. From herbals and foods. To energy hands on healing.

I look forward to chatting and learning here.

Many Blessings to All.

Angel x

wow is nice to have you here but first of all, you need to give your life to Jesus Christ and b born again

@analice, d salt aspect has been properly dealt with by tjayjosh nd so i will b talking about those Jesus will denounce that He knows not. Firstly we must understand that we can't cast out a devil with a devil. We can't also do great things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ without first being born again. This is to day, d category of ppl dat Jesus Christ was referring to were once born again and are endowed with spiritual gifts, power and authority. To properly understand this, we should consider the parable of d 10 Virgins. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Matthew 25:11-12 KJV. Dey called him Lord just d same way these ppl will call him lord and you can see the response is d same. Wateva thing we do in d Vineyard of the master should be born out of Grace. Dis is why we need the Holy Spirit and the word. We must avoid entering into error and doctrines of devils. Lets not b drawn by lust for knowledge nd therefore dent our grace by borrowing heathen practices. Many things in Christianity today expecially here in Africa originated from knowledge of heathen practice for example d way some ppl praise God is actually d same way their fathers praised their idol. God seek those who will worship Him in spirit and truth. Many practice in deliverance ministeries so called like praying naked, bathing with salt, flogging, shouting the name of God several times, etc was copied from the way our forefathers did it. Lets stay with the word and learn to ask questions. Dat is why its not good to deal with evilspirits or d Kingdom of darkness from a testimony of a person coming from that Kingdom. Let’s learn d rules of engagement of our Kingdom and triumph with it. God will continue to help us. Shalom!

vooks:
Am sorry for your loss bro
The suddenness of death adds to its sting. May the Lord comfort you during this trying moment.

thanks bro. D thought of incidence like dis should stir up our passion to make a mess of the devil nd plunder hell. God is in control

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@analice, I'll try to add to wat vooks av said later in the day i think he is so on point. However, am finding it difficult to connect because my heart is a bit heavy cos I woke up dis morning to a sad news that a friend of mine is dead. No sickness, a person who gyms regularly, very fit. All of a sudden just slumped nd gave up the ghost. Indeed the devil is a liar. Dis is endtime and its only those who know their God dat shall weather d attacks nd evil d devil is throwing all around. I believe by evening i should av been in a better condition to comment on your question because the kingdom of God on earth still has to move on.

ccollins:
my bros, you wan argue on things beyond the carnal mind with that lady abeg.. the god of this world has blinded lots of people heart from God Almighty through superstition

sebi u sef see i no even bother to reply. God go open their eye here for nairaland her type plenty

vooks:
True dat
There are more where this came from, newer and shiner models. But there is only me. Glory be to Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior for warning me ahead and protecting me

My pastor says 'the devil is a liar and so is his mother in law'

lol

cloudgoddess:
In the medical world these things are called hallucinations.

medical profession can give names to just anything but do not av solution 4 all. Wen d word syndrome is used in medicine, it simply mean dat thing hasnt been fully understood. Wat does a patient need? Is it d name of d sickness or solution

poshestmina:
I always see a particular shadow, I have told 'it' to show itself most times No way!..And I see it everytime am close to finally achieving something good and I get disappointed everytime...I have a spirit that knows good from evil too.
I want to serve God but the more I try, the frustrated I get and run back to my lifestyle.

stop trying and start trusting. It is only Jesus Christ dat can empower you to serve Him by His spirit for it is Him that works in us both to be willing and to do His good pleasure. When you are born again, the Christ like life will ooze out from ur being

poshestmina:
There was an incident that happened when I was just 2 months(accrdn to my mum) bt I knew abt it b4 I was told and I still remember the voices and pictures like I was there (till now)

Thanks..But I know deep down that I am not 'ordinary '...I know so many things that happened before I was born and told..so many! I feel strange in myself most times especially when I stare at the mirror, I get unconscious of my environment and my mind and memory goes blank and unfortunately my grandma was more like a river goddess

dat perfectly explains it then. Perhaps there is a familiar spirit(demon) dat has a generational pact with. your household. Ur forefathers may av dedicated their lineage to serve it in d covenant. Wat you need to do to b free is to 1. Surrender your life to Jesus Christ. 2. Renounce the covenant by Declaring you belong to Jesus and av been taken out of the unknown covenant. 3. Never participate in any ritual ur family may be doing. 4.pray, pray, pray. To maintain your freedom, pray for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, Grow in Grace by studying the word of God and knowing more of God. Come back here nd tell us whatever happens

poshestmina:
Good evening house, I really want to know about reincarnation

reincanation is an heathen belief dat a person would die somewhere and he will b born somewhere else or in d same house hold. Dis belief has no biblical basis. It is apointed unto man once to die and after dat is judgemnt. Ecc 12:7 says. Then d dust(d body or flesh) shall return to d earth as it was and d spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

vooks:
Thank you Anas09,
Amen and Amen.
I'm not hurt but my ride is pretty bruised and it will cost the insurance a tidy amount to get it back in shape

oh brother i thank God for his protection over your life. D devil is a liar.

I use both solidworks and autodesk inventor conveniently but for mechanical designs. Would there be any training on interior designing?

analice107:
Oh my God.

Brother Oyeludef. Today, I declear you my personal pastor.

your insight is amazing.

Brother Vooks. I always look out for you. Weldon. your

scriptural strength is wonderful, I pray the Holy Spirit

upgrade me to U and bro Oyeludef's level.

@Gcares. lol @ Angels seeing us naked. seriously?

pls try to understand those beings. let's go back to Eden.

How many years was Adam and Eve naked? wasn't God

Himself coming to fellowship with them? did their naked

stopped God from coming to them?

And how come Adam didn't realise that he himself was

naked not to talk of his wife until the Fall?

If you ask me, the beings that recognises the unclothedness of

men are the fallen Angels who try to have sexual

intercourse with humans. (just me thinking).

pls let the scriptures guide us.

Amen.

dat mantle is too big for me to occupy oo. D Holy Spirit of God is our personal teacher He guides us into all truth. Weighing every of our belief on d personal revelation of d scripture is d foundation of unshakable faith. We shouldn't take everything we hear hook line and sinker if at d end of d day we eventually find out it is true, we have a solid foundation because our belief in it wasn't born out of make-believe but by personal revelation and therefore we will b able to stand like paul b4 many oppositions and still hold on to it.
@gcares,we aren't trying to belittle your faith, we all know in part but we could b convinced it you can give us scriptural backings. D ones you gave earlier wasn't enough or you could do well to explain.

@op,from this thread u should be able to see that journey to hell is a choice so d ball is in individuals court to decide.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
I am a scientist and i know alot of scientists that believes in God. Atheism is not product of scientific belief but an offshoot of d depraved. I av met stack illiterate who are athiest too and dey seem wise in their own head wen dey speak. Heaven or hell its ur choice. Ur belief or unbelief in God will not make Him more God or less God.

Teempakguy:
I have looked at the bible closely enough.

It is not the devil that possessed the body of the serpent in eden.

yeah, so maybe it was the devil that possessed the body of judas iscariot and whatnot, one needs to consider his motives.

here we have a person, doomed to an eternity of torment by a merciless God. what do you expect him to become? Good? Satan's motives are well developed. God's motives on the other hand,

he behaves like a psychopath most of the time.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:9 KJV

vooks:
This is highly questionable.
1. There are instances where one MUST be unclad like when taking a bath and this teaching of yours suggest that is your weakest point because angels would rather keep off than look at you naked

2. For Married believers this is extremely awkward having them make love and then dress up so as not to wad off Angels

3. This has no scriptural basis. There is one verse where a naked apostle was delivered by an Angel

Acts 12:7-8 King James Version (KJV)

7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands.

8 And the angel said unto him, Gird thyself, and bind on thy sandals. And so he did. And he saith unto him, Cast thy garment about thee, and follow me.

4. The teaching that believers are to CULTIVATE any relationship with angels is mysticism which Paul warns against

Colossians 2:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Angels at powerful beings and ministering spirits to heirs of salvation but we only engage them when they do and actively seeking them out is a sure doorway to deception.

-Joseph Smith of Mormons had a very cordial relationship with an angel called Moroni
-Mohammed had an angel constantly downloading messages throughout his life
-William Branham also claimed to have an angel around him throughout

You can see a pattern here; a cosy relationship with Angels is certainly not of God and leads to deception

John the Revelator had an active interaction with an angel as he received Revelation. But recall this was TEMPORARY

Our duty is to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and not to Angels. We don't owe them nothing

dats true. Angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to the heirs of salvation and not socialize. Dey r like security details who take their orders directly from their commander. We remember wat happened wen tambuwal was having problems with President Jonathan. The then IG of police withdrew all his security details d dame thing with den governor amaechi. God is d Lord of hosts and He angels take their directives from Him. Remember wen Jesus was on d cross, He said He could pray to d father to send 12 legions of angels, psalm 91 says He will give His angels charge over you. It will amaze you d amount of angels that each of us have to minister to us but God has to speak to dem b4 dey act. Angels do not have the Holy Spirit dey only have a divine mandate. We speak to God and he gives dem directives.

UyiIredia:
I don't see demons but I hear their voices. They played a fast one on me yesterday night. They removed a bag where I store my inner wears out from where I had kept it earlier.

for demonic activities to get to this level, i hope curiosity hasn't led you into consulting with evil spirits? D trend in demonic activity is usually. Regression-repression-supression-depression-oppression-obssession-possession. For such activities to b going on it means its between oppression and obssession. Tell us perhaps if u av allowed ur curiosity to lead u to do something u shouldn't av. Deliverance is possible at all level.

nnamdiosu:
whoooo so precise, so encouraging. who is this man? your post sounds like a message an angel gives to man. May God over abundantly soak your spiritual engines with the oil of grace, power and might. God bless you

thank you for d complements sir. It d grace of God that keeps all of us going

okparea:
thanks God bless you paul say the things i don't like doing i found myself doing i can pray for an hour plus and i'm so good in the things of God but my weakness really need help if i have a man of God that can train me i will be so glad i really do want to work for God i know my time limit is 30 because i have seeing it in a vision my gift are so many that i don't want to loose any have seen hell with people being tormented over 100 time

ok but you don't really need any training from a man of God all you need is d Holy Spirit cos He is the personal teacher Jesus Christ gave us. Am not downplaying d need to belong to a Bible believing assembly but d bulk of the work is between you and d Holy Spirit. Christianity is a personal race and in it, overtaking is allowed as could be seen in d case of paul d apostle. D Bible says of His fullness have we received grace for grace. our grace should emanate from His fullness nd not from a man.
Secondly, there is nothing like little sin because all sin has a common wage. It only takes a lie to b a liar. Heb 12:1 says Do you see what this means—all these pioneers who blazed the way, all these veterans cheering us on? It means we’d better get on with it. Strip down, start running—and never quit! No extra spiritual fat, no parasitic sins. Keep your eyes on Jesus , who both began and finished this race we’re in. Study how he did it. Because he never lost sight of where he was headed—that exhilarating finish in and with God—he could put up with anything along the way: Cross, shame, whatever. And now he’s there , in the place of honor, right alongside God. When you find yourselves flagging in your faith, go over that story again, item by item, that long litany of hostility he plowed through. That will shoot adrenaline into your souls! (Hebrews 12:1-3 MSG.). For you to overcome sin, you need to see ot as wat it is. Some will call it personal weakness but we must call ot wat it is and get rid of it. You need to enter into God's plan for ur life. D fact God keeps showing you visisons of hell means God wants you to know its no fairy tail and to b able to deliver many who are on their way there. I av only seen d road to hell once and dat vission remains fresh in my head. Man of God rise up and get promoted in the school of the Holy Spirit so you can b taken higher. Make d Bible your companion and guide and you will be able to discern d mind of God more clearly. Like paul d apostle said, the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ, the LOVE of God and d FELLOWSHIP of Holy Spirit be with you. Amen

Teempakguy:
I like Satan for the same reason I like people like Voldermort, Sauron, The joker, and darkseid. everyone loves a Good villain in any fiction story.

What baffles me however, is how badly scripted his character is. In any good story, the Villain is supposed to be more powerful than the protagonist. that would make sense of how the antagonist ever Got that far. and even reviewing the backstory of Satan, There are so many loopholes. first, He wasn't the one who actually corrupted humanity. that was the snake. a mere animal. and even from then, Satan never harmed or killed anyone in the old testament. It was God himself that did all the mass murders.
The verse of the bible which many people largely claim gives a detailed description of Satan's rebellion, Isaiah fourteen twelve or so, is not even talking about Satan at all in any context. it is largely referring to a human being.

Suddenly, in the old testament, the devil becomes the bad Guy. the guy who rebelled and wants our souls for himself. we don't even know why he rebelled. but the claim that he managed to convert a third of the angels to his cause only suggests that he was fighting for a good cause. otherwise, how would you be able to garner that much support?

and why can't God forgive Satan? why can't they reconcile? is the only solution the burning of one in a fire for eternity? i thought divine beings were supposed to be intelligent?

Put yourself in Satan's position. you really don't have a right to hate and condemn him like so . . . because you don't even know what happened. there should always be hope for any being. whether Satan or not. That is . . . in any Good story.




so why do you hate him so much?

lol. So d Bible is a mere script to you? Good luck. For starters, to understand about the devil you av to look at d Bible closely. devil is d dragon dat appears in d book of revelation. It was d devil dat possessed the body of d serpent in eden, it was devil dat entered in judas iscariot, its dis same devil dat is gonna possess d anti christ during d great tribulation