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paxonel:
When you go to churches these days you hardly see pastors performing miracles to set themselves approved that they were truly called by God.
We have read how some folks were purnished for mere criticizing moses and Elijah in the bible but that is not the case today with pastors Adeboye, Adefarasin, Funke, Ashimolowo, oyedepo,and their families whom daddy freeze has tacked with criticism day and night and nothing is happening to him.

All you see in churches these days is fire prayer (or die by fire prayer)or some faking miracles displayed by some actors in the pulpit.
Was that supposed to be the power?

have you heard of Apostle Joshua Selman Nimmak? He is a very young minister but the Holy Spirit is really using him. Raw power of God demonstrated in his ministry every fellowship day

Another wonderful video. With the demonstration of the interpretation of tongues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL4JAYtUoK0

@muttleylaff God bless you. U are probably up there already nd if u think we r going astray pray for us,that there is a fake actually shows that the original is very precious. Smith wigglesworth argued more than this until he eventually got the baptism in the Holyspirit and began to speak in tongues. His stammering stopped, his congregation knew something had happened to their pastor and even his wife was struck by the power of God during his first message after d experience.
u guys are still very much welcome to fellowship with us on this thread.

MuttleyLaff:
You thought I was just saying about Myles

Myles Munroe RIP, really, was one of my best mentors because he was so much informed in the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven
but remember I said, that whatever I learned from Myles has to be first vetted and okayed by my Teacher (i.e. the oldest MVP in the universe)

Myles' "The Most Important Person on Earth: The Holy Spirit Governor of the Kingdom" has too many to gaping holes to mention.
Myles goofed and thats why there are things written in this book, about speaking in tongue, that have more holes in them than Swiss cheese

"I would even conclude that speaking in tongues is not really an option for a citizen of the kingdom of heaven."
- Myles Munroe RIP
"The Most Important Person on Earth: The Holy Spirit Governor of the Kingdom" Page 246 ©

oyeludef, that was Myles on page 246 of his book
but remember, Paul, in 1 Corinthians 12:29 onwards, asked,
"Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? "
The answer on each account is No, no, no, no.

Then at 1 Corinthians 12:31, Paul says:
"but you covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."
and it was after that comment in 1 Corinthians 12:31, that he introduced and brought in 1 Corinthians 13:1
Myles is contradicting what Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:29 onwards, had to say about not "all fingers are equal"
Not all, speak in tongues, is an indication, it is not required for all.

The above is just one hole out of many in the book.
I already in my previous post have dealt with quite a few of the holes in Myles's book,
so I wouldnt bore you down with them here again and besides, I want to have a short comment to post

Myles wasnt a perfect man, Myles like everyone of us, made mistakes because of his flaws,
and I admit I usually cringe when I see him exhibiting one particular flaw,
like done in that book and also particularly when he is on pulpit/seminars/Praise-A-Thon

I once asked God about him, that why did God take Myles out.
I'll spare you from the shock and stark reality answer I got.

The Lesson of the Lamp
"¹⁶No one lights a lamp and covers it with a jar or puts it under a bed.
Instead, he sets it on a lampstand, so those who enter can see the light.
¹⁷For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed,
and nothing concealed that will not be known and illuminated.
¹⁸Pay attention, therefore, to how you listen.
Whoever has will be given more, but whoever does not have,
even what he thinks he has, will be taken away from him.”
- Luke 8:16-18

Who is arguing on anything with you?
I dont do arguments and seriously have no need to give to arguing.
Even you, that has been arguing, it is evident that your arguments are weak

Nothing, in what I've so far typed will not make you a lesser believer
rather every aspect of what I've so far typed shed light to see,
and that's good enough to empower you to becoming a bigger, stronger, better, efficient and effective believer

Though truth is priceless, especially in these times, its rare
I learned that you don't have to ever try to control the truth.
and so, all I have so far done, is let the truth out, by revealing the facts connected with the matter to make the matter clear

You see oyeludef, I really dont do argues,
I instead, let the facts I present, speak for themselves and then let the reader(s) decide
The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose and it will defend itself.

Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it doesnt mean it is going away

you need not stress.. Did is same way some argue there is no God but we that have met him know the fact. I speak in tongues and it strengthen my spiritual gift of discernment of spirits. Until u have experienced same or walk in the supernaturall, u will never understand. It's also nice to know u are more knowledgeable than Dr Myles u claim was ur mentor.

Brokay2908:
As part of the aim of this thread, which I believe is not given to vain janglings, is to look for a period of time convenient for us in a week, it may just be a few minutes, it may be up to some hours out of our tight schedule to just intercede in tongues together at the same time at our different places. We can alternate prayer points, it may be just tonguing as the spirit wills etc your suggestion is needed on this. I always believe believers can do something great being united in the spirit even when not together physically.

a very welcome development. Am in

MuttleyLaff:
No one from the mediums, Chaldeans, and diviners (i.e. the wise men of Babylon) could read talkess interpet the writing
It is, no one from his wise men that couldnt (i.e. refer to Daniel 5:15)

oyeludef, if you could be typing in this manner
as in, from not knowing why the wise men of Babylon could not read the writing nor understand,
I begin to wonder, what more are you unaware of

As I earlier pointed out, the writing was a writing from man's.
In actual fact, the writing was written in Aramaic

The three words in "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin" are known Aramaic names, of measures of currency
Mene, is a mina and from the root meaning "to count/number"
Tekel, is a spelling of shekel and from the root meaning "to weigh"
Upharsin, is peres, half a mina and from the root meaning "to divide"

It is the significance of the three words in the writing that was not understood and thereby prompted urgent interpretation

The subject of the passive voice/writing is the king, who is being "counted/numbered, weighed, divided"

The interpretation based on those passive verbs corresponding to the measure names; "numbered, weighed, divided" is that:
The king's days are counted, to be found numbered.
remember mene was repeated twice, this meant numbered and finished numbering it.
Further on, the king was measured/weighed and found wanting,
so the king's kingdom is to divided and taken away from him

So, oyeludef, the writing was in Aramaic, and there is more to this information but I will stop with only this much.

Shows that I do the Bereans, as I carefully and thoughfully read every word in everything you type
and that's how I managed to spot the slip in the reference you made
I wish you be similarly attentive and thoughtful to each of what I post too

This verse you're talking about here, was culminated fulfilled in Acts 2:4-11
oyeludef, before Acts 2:4-11, they have been casting out devils,
then on the day of Pentecost, the climax of the specified signs happened, they spoke in different dialect/languages

oyeludef, let me be sure I read you right.
Are you saying that "Tongue is not a sign for unbelievers"?

Though I have asked first, questions centering round this your question
I still am very so grateful to you for throwing my questions back at me
Instead of you answering my #1 - #5b questions, you've to put them together in to one whole
and used that to form your version of question to ask:
"For whose benefit was this consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occasions it happened?"

If my #2 - #5b questions were answered, you wouldnt have found the need to ask this question

The undelining and common denominator in the three occasions was unbelief
and so the consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occasions was for the benefit of the present unbelieving Jews
On each of the three occassion, the unbelieving Jews heard the gospel in their own dialect or languages
On the day of Pentecost, pilgrims who have travelled from far and wide to Jersalem and who happened to be unbelieving Jews,
it was these pilgrims/unbelieving Jews that heard the gospel in their dialect and/or language

By the way, the number 120 is a biblical symbolic number meaning waiting and that the significance of having 120 disciples in the upper room.
The 120 disciples symbolically were waiting until the day of Pentecost when all Israelites or all the adult Jewish men would come to Jerusalem from wherever they were living to personally be in attendance for the Pentecost festival.

In the second occasion, Cornelius' household, which is Roman, spoke in the languages of the watching events, unbelieving Jews, present on that day.

In the last and third occasion, it's about, unbelieving Jews again.
They were in to John the Baptist and the "The baptism of John" and as they didnt know any better, they were headstrong about it,
So Paul told them that John baptized with the baptism of repentance,
and they really and actually need to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

They changed their belief, attitude and position on John the Baptist and the "The baptism of John",
and for this good reason, the sign of speaking in tongues, as in, in their dialect and language followed their conversion

It really is poor judgment on your side, to have brushed aside answering those my #2 - #5b questions
because if you had made an attempt or thought them over,
you wouldnt have displayed a blatant disregard of biblical fact, as you've just done with comment(s) such as this.

Each of the #2 - #5b questions were very important, they were pieces of a jigsaw,
as you probably have now noticed, opting to refuse to answer them or declining to respond, is done, at a loss

oyeludef, I have above mentioned, one by one, that there were unbelievers, on each of the three recorded occasions

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels,
but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."
- 1 Corinthians 13:1

You are diverging, so I have to type out 1 Corinthians 13:1 for us to both understand my original question

"if I have a million dollars but do not have love ..."
Now, oyeludef, from the above statement, does it mean, I've got a million dollars?
Its the same with 1 Corinthians 13:1, it doesnt mean you can speak in the tongues of angels
which you, in this respect, think the angels in the verse, are celestial beings

oyeludef, firstly, the context in that verse is that "if" is a conditional particle showing that sentence or verse is conditional
"If" is one of the biggest "little" words in any language. It can stop a contract from going through.
Even, if you speak in the tongues of men or of angels,
the lack of the love condition, in the sentence or verse, from you, negates everything, making the speak in the tongue(s) be noise

Secondly and importantly, the angels in the latter part of 1 Corinthians 13:1a, arently necessarily celestial beings
It is an assumption that the word, angels, in the latter part of 1 Corinthians 13:1a, are celestial beings

What 1 Corinthians 13:1 is teaching is love, which is excelent and the most important thing.
oyeludef, Paul, from 1 Corinthians 12:29 onwards, asked,
"Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? "
The answer on each account is No, no, no, no.
Then at 1 Corinthians 12:31 says:
"but you covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."
and it was after that comment in 1 Corinthians 12:31, that he introduced and brought in 1 Corinthians 13:1

You and I, know many so called tongues speaking christians who do not have love
yet regularly during prayer sessions, all are called upon and propelled by pastors/worship leaders to start "speaking in tongues" and pray in tongues

Anyway, that isnt part of the point, the point has already been made with "if" and what the word "angels" means

"⁹Ya mere, kpenu ekpere otú a: Nna-ayi Nke bi n'elu-igwe, Ka edo aha-Gi nsọ.
¹⁰Ka ala-eze-Gi bia. Ka eme ihe nāchọ, dika esi eme ya n'elu-igwe, ka eme kwa otú ahu n'uwa.
¹¹Nye ayi nri ta nke gēzuru ayi n'ubọchi ta.
¹²B͕aghara kwa ayi ugwọ nile ayi ji, dika ayi onwe-ayi b͕agharawo-kwa-ra ndi ji ayi ugwọ.
¹³Ewebàla ayi nime ọnwunwa, kama dọputa ayi n'aka ajọ onye ahu.

oyeludef, please recite the above prayer for me.
Can you? Did you recite it? Were you able to?
Imagine you reciting a Yoruba version of that prayer amidst an Igbo audience that doesnt understand a word of Yoruba
Who do you think gets built up with this unknown tongue (i.e. Yoruba prayer) you're reciting in, whilst amongst an entirely Igbo audience?

Himself", man himself is not used nor referred to a spirit in that verse or context.
Nonetheless, I admire the length you'll go to employ poetic licence, if that's the way you want to go with it

I asked you that:
What are examples of "praying in the Holy ghost"
and you gave this comment and the next bottom one, as your responses

I am sorry to be the one to refute this misconception shared not just by you alone but many too
Praying in the spirit, means pray in accordance to the will of the Spirit
When your spirit is in tuned with the Spirit, you are able to pray in the spirit

I'll now, give you examples of Jesus "praying in/with the Spirit":
"²⁹After walking a little farther, he quickly bowed with his face to the ground and prayed,
"Father, if it's possible, let this cup [of suffering] be taken away from me.
But let your will be done rather than mine.""
⁴²[i]Then he went away a second time and prayed,
"Father, if this cup cannot be taken away unless I drink it, let your will be done."
⁴⁴After leaving them again, he went away and prayed the same prayer a third time.
- Matthew 26:39, 42, 44

Exactly what Paul and I are saying with the prayer up there I asked you to recite.
If you did recite the prayer, you had prayed in an unknown tongue, your spirit had prayer,
but though you prayed it, youhad no understanding of what the prayer was all about.
Your mind essentially was unfruitful.
So Paul, is saying, why not, where and/or when possible, pray in a language,
whereby as you pray with the spirit, you also at the same time, are praying with understanding in what you are saying

It is a forgivable mistake to think I participate in theological argument.
I dont do arguments, and I dont intend to start doing arguments with you

I am forever grateful to you for bringing as many of the portion of scriptures, you managed to, out.
At least when you air them out, they can be subjected to critical observations and/or examinations.

I cant remember where I read that:
If a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is.
Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done.

I reserve any comment I might/might not have on Kenneth Hagin
as for Myles Munroe however, he was one of my best teachers,
yet everything I learned from him still has to be first vetted and okayed by my Teacher

Do you know that its a hardest thing of all, to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.

Open criticism is better than unexpressed love - Proverbs 27:5

I love you more

God bless you. Since u read Myles books, I recommend you read his book "Most important person in the universe" .. I will not argue further on this. Thank you

Here is a great video on this topic I found on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNsCINQKi_E&t=1899s

Brokay2908:
We have passed the stage of arguing whether God exist or not because we already have the witness in ourselves. We have passed the stage of arguing whether we can pray in tongues or not because we already have the witness in ourselves. Surely, there is no need for us arguing with anyone on what purposes the tongues can or cannot be used for because we that have the witness in ourselves already know that.

I have also noticed that praying in tongues sharpen our spiritual gifts as well. And I think the reason why this is so is because when you speak in tongues, you are engaging the Holy Spirit in utterance. The more the Holy Spirit is engaged, the more His gifts/workings are energized for expression.

yeah.I personally av given up in the argument and ain't going any further. Tongue is a wonderful gift, so many Christians have this gift but despise it not knowing it is what launches us into a greater dimension of the supernatural. I don't think anyone that doesn't speak in tongues often can manifest the gifts of the spirit effectively. Its one of the greatest gift to a believer for personal communion. We can share helpful materials for the benefit of other people who believe in this gift. Oral Robert, ken hagin,Benny hin etc have materials on this topic

MuttleyLaff:
Its OK oyeludef,
after all is said and done, we are still human, we are still work in progress

✓ checkmark. Yes.

✓ checkmark. Yes will generously give this a checkmark too

✓ No checkmark, instead it's a X mark

The writing was a writing of man.
It is the significance of the three words in the writing that was not understood and thereby prompted urgent interpretation

5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.

6 Then the king's countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another.

7 The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom.

8 Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof.

9 Then was king Belshazzar greatly troubled, and his countenance was changed in him, and his lords were astonied.

10 Now the queen, by reason of the words of the king and his lords, came into the banquet house: and the queen spake and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed:

11 There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;

12 Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation. note note note

13 Then was Daniel brought in before the king. And the king spake and said unto Daniel, Art thou that Daniel, which art of the children of the captivity of Judah, whom the king my father brought out of Jewry?

14 I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee.

15 And now the wise men, the astrologers, have been brought in before me, that they should read this writing, and make known unto me the interpretation thereof: but they could not shew the interpretation of the thing:

16 And I have heard of thee, that thou canst make interpretations, and dissolve doubts: now if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom.

17 Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.

18 O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour:

19 And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down.

20 But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:

21 And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.

22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this;

23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lord

I hope you saw that no one could even read the writing much less interpret it?

✓ No checkmark, instead it's a X mark

I think you meant to type Mark 16:16-17, instead of only and just typing Mark 16:16
If it were me, in order to get the full import, I rather would have started quoting from Mark 16:14-17,
By the way oyeludef, speaking in tongues is a sign for unbelievers

you spotted the error in d reference already but you got the portion DAT is what is more important.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Tongue is not a sign for unbelievers but prophecy except tongue backed up by an additional gift of interpretation wch equals prophecy

1 Corinthians 14:22 even supports this, when it says:
"So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.
Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers."

do not stop there, read further to understand what Paul was saying.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

There is more to this Jesus comment and why speaking in tongues happened in the only 3 recorded occassions

For whose benefit was this consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occassions it happened? apart from the first reference wch is on the day of Pentecost, there were no unbelievers in the other two references cos the household of Cornelius believed first before they were even given the gift. Same with the johns disciples in d other reference. They already believed in Jesus but had never heard of the Holy ghost. The day Paul told them about the experience, that was the same day they received and the sign of speaking in tongues was consistent as usual.

I agree without demur that Paul the apostle said he spoke more in languages than anyone in that audience he made that remark

oyeludef, does this statement"
"if I have a million dollars but do not have love ..."
mean, I've got a million dollars?

love is a fruit of the spirit but speaking in tongues is a gift of the spirit. The fruits are more important than the gifts but non should be despised. It is called a gift because it is not merited but given to empower you to perform effectively your assignment in the kingdom of God and the fruits of the spirit reflects the personality of Jesus Christ in a believer. Power is important for being witnesses hence Jesus made his disciples tarry till they were endued with power before setting out to carry out the great commission.

✓ No checkmark, instead it's a X mark

Paul said speaking in tongues edifices the body and not edifices the spirit

1 cor 14:4.. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
"Himself " .man himself is a spirit.

What are examples of "praying in the Holy ghost"

praying in the spirit as the Holy spirit gives utterance and praying in tongues is the same thing 1cor 14:14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Very good question but why?

1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
2) Do you know why, it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible?
3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible?
4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible, who, it was aimed at or meant for?
5a) Do you know, who or how many, on the day of Pentecost, spoke with other tongues? (i.e. give the number if not names or identities)
5b) What to your undestanding does ''speak with other tongues'' means?
5c) What is "pray in tongues"?

¹³Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
¹⁴For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
¹⁵What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will
- 1 Corinthians 14:13–17

6) What is ''speaks in a tongue'' in 1 Corinthians 14:13 above all about?
7) Now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above
8 ) Why is it necessary that when my spirit prays, my mind needs to be fruitful? (i.e. in relation to 1 Corinthians 14:14b)
9) Also give a demonstration explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 above

²⁷If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
²⁸But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
- 1 Corinthians 14:27–28

10) What do you think of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 above,
do churches also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these?

I am not for a theological argument sir. I just gave you the portion of scriptures to back up speaking in tongues like u requested. It will become a back and forth debate wch will typically get us no where but invade u wanna learn more on the subject matter, u can get Kenneth hagin and Myles Munroe's books on the Holy spirit. Thank you sir. I love you sir. May God guide us all into his truth

Brokay2908:
Good to hear your testimony, bro. I pray more people understand, receive and use this great tool of spiritual communion the more.

yes sir. Speaking in tongues is very refreshing for the soul and empowering for the spirit

Good afternoon mr muttleylaff. Am sorry i actually misunderstood you initially that was why I replied u in dat manner, thinking you were one of those atheists always out to derail Christian threads with arguments but like I promised, I am going to share some scriptures with you.

Firstly, words are the tools for creating in our words, the bible tells us that God framed everything with the words of his mouth. Our dominion as human is tied the use of our tongues. We were created in the image of God.
The Bible account recorded in Genesis was written in Hebrew but Hebrew couldn't have existed before the tower of Babel. Men before this time had the ability to communicate with animals, they could speak to God too like in the garden of eden.

1.Eve could speak to a serpent,

2. Noah could talk to animals to enter the ark and even send the raven and dove on errand after the flood. Mans ability was almost limitless when they still had their original tongue until God confused the language at d tower of babel. Every language on earth today is corrupt and degraded and very limited. There was not word like aeroplane before it was invented, but the realm of the spirit is the realm of absolute knowledge, if God comes to speak to you in your local dialect he has to limit himself and the message he is passing across.

3. In the book of Daniel, we also saw another expression of the tongues of God when God wrote on the wall "mene mene tekel upharsin".. The writing was not a writing of man as non of the kings scientist or astrologer could interpret it.

4. In Mark 16:16 Jesus gave tongues to be one of the sign for believers in him

5. When the Holy spirit descended on the day of Pentecost, in Cornelius house, on the disciples of john the Baptist Paul laid hands on, speaking in tongues was a consistent sign of the baptism of the Holy spirit.

6. Paul the apostle said he spoke more in tongues than anyone of his time and most of what we know about tongues in d new testament was written by him, little wonder he had such access into the mystery of God that even Peter testified in his own epistle, of the depth of Paul's writing. Paul mentioned tongues of men and tongues of angels, whc other apostle had such depth of revelation? He was caught us to the third heaven and heard stuff that are not permitted to be uttered in this realm.

7.Paul said speaking in tongues edifices the spirit, he also listed it as one of the weapons of warfare in the book of Ephesians " praying always with all prayers and supplication in the spirit "

8. Jude said one of the ways of building faith is through praying in the Holy spirit " building up ursef in the most holy faith, praying in the Holy ghost"

On and on like that. Why do u think God gives ppl the ability to speak in tongues wen they get baptized in the holy spirit? Is it to just feel good? That is the gateway to the supernatural. Ever since I got a grasp of this truth, it has been an awesome discovery for my spiritual life.

MuttleyLaff:
If it is only just one, it will be worth the effort.
Show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I didnt ask nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, as facts speak for themselves

I am not bound to win,
but I am bound to the truth and be true

OK, if u really are sincere about wanting to know about tongues, I will take you through the scriptures from old and new testament where tongues appear. I will b back

MuttleyLaff:
If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you probably don't understand what you think this is, that's meant for you.

Oh come on now oyeludef, you can't possibly be pulling this tired and old unoriginal line

If asked, I'll admit that I found your comment to be in amongst the top list of the most ignorant statement a poster can make.
It made me cringe, as it reeked of a bad unbearable stench of arrogance and conceit.

I dont understand why.
Did you in that manner, type it that way, to magnify your own importance?

Listen oyeludef, a common mistake regularly made by others with viewpoint similar to yours
is not seeing that this forum is a place of learning

I know I am in the right place
and so why not, just scrawl these next below two lines down somewhere or store them somewhere in your mind:
Truth never decreases by being shared.
A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle

it is going to be a waste of time explaining to you. U might probably be one of nairaland atheist who feel dey are intelligent just because dey don't believe in God. Why r u so interested in what u don't even believe in? This thread was never created to convince u in d first place but for those who have the experience of speaking in tongues and not for unnecessary debates. If u want to debate, I let u win already.

MuttleyLaff:
What is "pray in tongues"?

What tongue is it that, is a very power weapon of warfare?

Please what are you referring to with a comment like this?

if u do not understand did, it probably isn't meant for you. There are many threads you may find interesting on dis forum. U r in d wrong place

Brokay2908:
This is a place for those who pray in tongues and intend to, to discuss their prayer life and use their prayer tool in some joint intercessions.

tongue is a very power weapon of warfare. I Now sing in tongues more, instead of singing wit understanding

DaddyNimo:
one question I keep asking myself....why was the tree of the fruit of good and evil planted in the same garden of Eden, where Adam and eve are supposed to be free and call home? how was the devil allowed to become a serpent to tempt eve?? why wasn't such an "evil" tree planted far away from human reach
To me religion is just an imagination, something some white men formulated to guide people morally...either dat or some higher powers that be are just using we humans to play game as we do on PlayStation.

I can give u d answers for everyone of those question if u really are sincere. I was once in search for these answers and found them.

Are u the first born male? That spirit appearing to you is not your dad, it is a familiar spirit. It comes in d appearance of your dad and maybe use his voice too but it is not your dad. U will need to make some decrees if u are a born again Christian the decree will enable ur spirit discern it d next time it occurs and u will see d true form of the spirit. U must realize dat the man spirit has no business in dis world outside their body

Beaten:
Ladies and gentlemen. It was like film trick way back 2011 when all of a sudden a hand went out of the wall and pressed my head around 4.00am and gave me pap to eat. Since then I can't think rightly.

I sometimes feel invisible person moving around my head and my bed. I used to go to church and pray and I was getting used to it but not until I realized that the invisible being fills me with spiritual dirty things from my underneath and mouth. I felt my mouth is dirty.

Down to 2015 I was planning to get married and my mouth got unknown odor that caused me shame everywhere to the extent if I see woman I can't even talk to them. I prayed and prayed then mouth odor left.

This year 2018. I felt like I should travel abroad Maybe I will be fine. While everything was under process an unknown body odor came. This is the most ridiculous I've ever experienced. The spirit being still there. But the most ridiculous is I don't perceive the odor. But once people try to look at my face, they turn away and hold their nose.

I've already taken knife to do justice to my life. I do not know why the unknown invisible person is inflicting pain on me. Sirs and ma, I can't say I'm holy but I don't deep hands in shady things. I'm a believer and moral person. I do not know if there's hope for me. If anyone can help maybe I still have hope.

Shame is too much I cannot bear it anymore. I'm sobbing big big inside right now.

hello dear child of God, u need not worry or fret, I understand wat is going on with u and u can b free. I would like us to talk. Don't contemplate death, its a battle u have to win. Devil don't attack nonentities, u have something in you that the devil wants to kill. Hang in there dear friend

D devil hate seeing believers speak in tongues because the bible says a person who prays in tongues edifies himself. The devil do not want you to get spiritual edification and enlightenment. That is why there is alot of division in the body of christ about it but look at those churches that preach against tongues, signs and wonders are usually very rare and most of what they have is theoretical knowlege. Speaking of tongue is great and i have been doing it more often lately. Feels good

Chuksonyeike:
Bros the Catholic Church is still over 50% of the world Christian population.Together with the orthodox church it is almost 70% of the global Christian population

the Catholic Church is separate from the protestant churches, why bring them together? Why bring people who are not subject to the pope under same roof as catholic. Ur assertion dat catholic is 50% of Christian population needs to be backed with data, secondly, do u realize dat for hundreds of years it was only the Catholic Church existing? How come they have now dropped from 100% to 50% as asserted by you? Is that progress or retrogression?

Chuksonyeike:
RCCG is not the fastest growing church in the world and BBC will not be stupid to tag them as such. BTW how exactly do you people claim RCCG is the fastest growing church in the world? Is it in terms of percentage or absolute numbers? Because I know the Roman Catholic Church is the fastest growing church in terms of absolute numbers

catholic church is living on past glory. Put the protestants as one, can u compare their number with urs? How many ppl around you do u know of who recently left their religion to become catholics?

PaChukwudi44:
I HOPE YOU KNOW TEH SIZE OF AN AVERAGE CATHOLIC PARISH IN NIGERIA IS EQUIVALENT TO 50 RCCG PARISHES?

why so much hate in ur voice? Simply English, "fastest growing". Islam is said to be the fastest growing religion in Europe, it does not mean there are more Muslim than Christians in Europe but simply that more people are changing their religion to Islam than the Christian. Do u think bbc made d statistics up or wat

Congratulations to him. I just hope he merited it and also hope dis action would not cost him the job

CharlyG1:
Hello People of God,

Tomorrow is my birthday! And I am excited

Join me tomorrow here in the evening. There will be plenty Jollof rice and Chicken to eat


Yeah, plenty of the word of God to eat. God will be sharing this with us. He is adding a new age to my life tomorrow, but not only that. He is adding New Strength, New Grace, New Fire, Power, Prosperity and New Joy.


The same goes for all of you in Jesus Name.. Amen


I'm happy to have you all in my life.

God bless you guys

Happy birthday MOG. Wullnp. More anointing for life and ministry

Aren't they calling today.?

chyima:
An hour ago

congratulations dear. God is faithful. I pray i get called too

wirinet:
Oga Seun, the OP's undeniable proof is a sort of anti climax, we were expecting some brilliant and intellectual arguments, but all he presented were unverifiable, incoherent and unreliable testimonies. We have heard many incredulous and stupid testimonies, we recently heard a testimony of someone who by simply putting a sticker on her gas cylinders never needing to ever buy gas again. We have heard testimony of someone driving from Lagos to abuja on 1 litre of fuel. Just enter the nearest redeem or winners church on any given Sunday and you would hear tens of incredulous and stupid testimonies.

The OP talks as if atheists do not deliver babies safely or that only prayers to the Christian God ensures safe delivery or even pregnancy. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

The OP talks about malfunctioning ovaries? Abeg, doctors in the house, what does that mean? All the eggs the Overies will produce are already present at birth. So is the OP saying the ovaries were not releasing the eggs or they were no eggs in the ovaries. Was the lady seeing her period before with the "malfunctioning" ovaries or not.
It seems most of these testimonies are in competition to see the most stupid and incredulous.

Finally, testimonies can never proof the existence of Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed, Visnu or any other God.

sorry, wch of the Norway did u call an atheist nation? Is it the one with 75% Christian population dat had Christian study as a compulsory subject in its school until 1997 when d government decided to broaden the scope of the subject to accommodate other religion daf u called an atheist nation? U either do not know wat u r saying or u r jes a pathetic liar

Muckross1122:
Nigerian socialite "DaddyFreeze" gave an epic reply to a curious tweeter follower who asked if he is a guy as his ex claimed.

Source:
http://www.nairaplus.com/2018/01/na-your-papa-be-gay-daddyfreeze-reply.html

He would av been quick to judge pastors if dey were the ones dat answered in that manner

usba:
Joblessness at its peak. If they had a shred of integrity they would have approached their representatives to introduce areas of restructuring but once again they assume Nigeria is a dictatorship where the president can just order reatructure and it is. The sort of unseriousness is money wasted on an advert.

poor reading culture. U didn't see where they said they aren't interested in restructuring by the national assembly as the 1999 constitution has been designed to only favour the north? U obviously didn't read it, u were in a hurry to post and get likes.

dganse:
I have an impoimportant announcement to make here.those of you that have been interviewed half and quarter will not bee call for documentation because all the slots have already been given,they will just give them appointment letters to those that the slurs belongs to,so it's like you've done the interviews for them.So pray hard pls and if you know someone somehow contact them to stay on alerr,thank you.I wanted to say this since last week but I know how bitter it will sound.Sorry please

i suspected dis back den during d interview. Do u notice dat some of those ppl who usually give legit information in dis group didn't say anything about going for interview? Well we never can tell anything yet for now

Chimezie198:
Please is the application still on going?

not at all. We applied since 2016