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Christianity Etc › Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by pafra(m): 8:23am On Jul 19, 2021

blamingthedevil:
Interpret "growth index" for us

It means the great commission. It means to win souls. That is what pastors are called to do they are not called to preach to empty chairs.

Does it make sense to preach to empty chair?

Church is all about people without people no church

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pafra(m): 8:16am On Jul 19, 2021

Acidosis:
The media will always use people's minds and emotions the way they want. That's why I didn't bother to respond to that thread.

First, whoever believes that Winners Chapel will release such a letter and cite money reasons must be very very senseless in real life.

Second, the idea of dismissing a pastor out of service doesn't make sense. However, I do not expect an unproductive church to remain unproductive either. What are you doing as a Church if you don't attract new souls? Of course, more souls typically means more income for the church. So yeah, no one should be surprised when everyone focus on the money which they believe is the answer to all their life troubles.

If the church is not growing, what should the church management do? The right alternative should have been to change the leadership of the local church, not outrightly sack a pastor (unless there are genuine reasons to do so). He may thrive better in a new environment, or simply work together with other pastors in an established church. This is the norm everywhere.

When God called the pastor, did he calling him to winners?

He should go and prove his calling. It must not be in winners.

The aspects of money. Ask anyone that attends winner's they will nerve emphasis money.

Is the only church that don't put anyone under pressure to give.

If any church lack anything just apply once approved the money will be released.

Every winners church have monthly impress. It is sent at the beginning of every month.

All workers are under a central payroll. It is not the duty of the local assembly to raise funds in winner's.

It is a taboo for a local assembly to raise funds it is forbidden.

If the church wants to build church, school, land or any other project. It is not the responsibility of the local assembly no member of the church is under pressure to donate. The head quarters mobilize the contractor to site.

This church is just unique.

Winner's transfer pastor every 2 - 3 Years. It improves effectiveness. As for the pastor sack there is more to it

Christianity Etc › Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pafra(m): 7:54am On Jul 19, 2021

Wiseandtrue:
I wasn't going to comment on this topic until Oyedepo himself address this issue!

But Reno, got this all wrong!

You guys have become fishers of money and not fishers of men chai! God must be a patient God oooo!

Now if the growth you are talking about is the physical growth:

Did the apostles win souls for Christ when He was with them I mean they were always going about with Jesus

And if the monetary aspect, many of the disciples STOPPED working when they met Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ has been taking care of every of their needs! Go and read Matthew 4:18–22, Mark 3:16-20 and Luke 5:1–11 , John 1:35–51!

So if BISHOP Oyedepo is really like Christ and is doing the work of Jesus Christ why can't he take care of his pastors need Or is God Almighty not a great provider again

Is Oyedepo now God Stop making mockery of God's name all in the name of looking for money!
Modified:

Did you read at all

Did Oyedepo ordained these men without hearing from God

God cannot contradict Himself!

Who is Oyedepo to sack those who wish to serve God

Even when the apostles were trying to stop those worshipping God simply because they are not part of them

Jesus Christ said "leave them! If they are not against us, they are with us!

How do you sack a pastor who is not stealing, going diabolical As a pastor, was he not prayerful Is he found wanted as a leader at home

Common!

In your mind, you think you were making sense.

There are many churches he can serve God.

He must not serve God in winner.

If he has a calling, he should prove his ministry.

Better still he can start his own ministry. as a pastor he is not call to winner's. He is called for service to God and it must not be winners. It can be done anywhere

Politics › Re: FG Awards N309bn (275km) Roads Contract To Dangote by pafra(m): 9:04am On Jul 15, 2021

owobokiri:
As usual, non in the South East that has the worst of roads in the whole country,....
No other ministry has been too forward in refusing projects in the South East than fasholas ministry of works!
Not saying this expecting anything to change. Just saying so because it surely will be useful in the future..

Guy stop this.
MTN is to construct 110km of the Enugu-Onitsha road

GZI industries is to re-construct Umueme village road in Abia State.

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Politics › Re: FG Awards N309bn (275km) Roads Contract To Dangote by pafra(m): 8:53am On Jul 15, 2021

This is a good idea.
It will eradicate elephant projects.
The citizens are sure taxes are judiciously use.
Projects will be completed on time.
Contractors will no longer wait for buget to get to work.
So many advantages.

A

Antoeni:
President Mohammadu Buhari signed Executive Order 7, which gives construction companies the opportunity to fix our roads in return for tax credits, one would think it was the end of bad roads in Nigeria

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Career › Re: "Earning N50M Annually In Nigeria But Considered Poor In Developed Countries" by pafra(m): 11:48am On Jul 13, 2021

okuta007:
ok since you are now insulting instead of a civil discuss - you win - God bless you - enjoy

How is not making sense an insult?

Career › Re: "Earning N50M Annually In Nigeria But Considered Poor In Developed Countries" by pafra(m): 11:39am On Jul 13, 2021

okuta007:
what is your answer to my question of heart attack scenarios for the Dayton OH and Warri residents? IF you can answer that question truthfully there you have your solution!

Check, another person mentioned your nonsense comment. Answer the person

Career › Re: "Earning N50M Annually In Nigeria But Considered Poor In Developed Countries" by pafra(m): 11:36am On Jul 13, 2021

TeraHawks:
$65k is approx N32m which translates to N2.7m per month. With N2.7m monthly in Nigeria, there's no quality of life anybody earning $65k in US can live better than the person in Naija.

Please stop the stories.

Guy, you Sabi book.
That guy comment is so annoying.

Career › Re: "Earning N50M Annually In Nigeria But Considered Poor In Developed Countries" by pafra(m): 11:30am On Jul 13, 2021

okuta007:
You have failed your own question!!!! - contradicting yourself

We are talking of the individual in this case. What can he achieve with 50m.

Which questions I fail?
Where I contradict myself?
Please show me.
But if you can't show me you were off the point

Career › Re: "Earning N50M Annually In Nigeria But Considered Poor In Developed Countries" by pafra(m): 11:23am On Jul 13, 2021

SouthSouth1914:
Your argument is flawed! Access to better living conditions cannot be attributed in a one case scenario! Yes you can build a house with 50M! But is the security situation safe? Access to National parks? Health? Food? Schools?

Not walking around Lagos with Mopol and soldiers who in turn will sell you out to kidnappers! Please...

Guy stay on the argument.
What can you achieve with 50m In both countries?
We are not talking about security

Career › Re: "Earning N50M Annually In Nigeria But Considered Poor In Developed Countries" by pafra(m): 11:15am On Jul 13, 2021

okuta007:
how did this poo make it to the front page? anytime I see phrases like "you see" in a response or contribution by a nairalander - it shows lacks of knowledge and desperation - rubbish post

For the benefit of those drawn into this foolish post and seeking to know.....N50m = $102k a year in the USA - how many Americans do you think make such and above that in year ? not up to 30% which means about 70% of the population makes less than that - However - people who make $65k a year live a better quality of life than those who make N50m a year in Nigeria. Take care with your childish post

Guy you lie.
50m in Nigeria?
Leave sentiment aside and pounder for a moment.
If they live quality life is because they have better infrastructure.
But with 50m in Nigeria you can achieve much more here.

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Career › Re: "Earning N50M Annually In Nigeria But Considered Poor In Developed Countries" by pafra(m): 10:59am On Jul 13, 2021

Oritna94:
Una don start again? Comparing a third world country with the likes of USA. The standards are not the same. Do you have basic amenities in naija? Do you have emergency services? Do you have retirement benefits? You see retirees fighting for their rights and in the end nothing. I can go on and on. Just don't compare.

Guy, be reasonable for once.
Your argument is off point because you don't understand the subject matter.
Read again and make mean full contributions.
I know you can do better. Please read comprehend then contribute.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Enenche Commissions Road Project Constructed By Dunamis Church In Abuja by pafra(m): 7:23pm On Jul 10, 2021

emapeteum:
Please teach me the scripture and stop being childish by being rude when you have weak points to counter mind.false doctrines leading gullible members astray

Drop your WhatsApp number. I will take you on foundation class.

How was I rude bro. If you are humble I will take three weekend and I will be done.

Issue of mentorship did not start with Jesus and didn't end with Jesus.

You will be in for a good time. This truth shall benefits you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Enenche Commissions Road Project Constructed By Dunamis Church In Abuja by pafra(m): 7:07pm On Jul 10, 2021

emapeteum:
There is nothing wrong in having a mentor,but who was Jesus' mentor in the ministry?
You guys have succeeded in creating so called mentor in the body of Christ who themselves are yet to follow the Bible teachings

It just shows you don't know the bible go and study to understand.

From OT to NT men were mentored. Jesus to

Go and study.

It is irritating when I see people criticism without knowledge.

Politics › Re: UK Government On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(op): 11:51pm On Jul 08, 2021

blackpanda:
U do realise that fulani is just one out of the dozens of tribes in the north. Nobody is forcing igbos to do anything. If u want to break away then igbos shld follow due process. Don't be chopping nigeria money with one mouth and formenting trouble with the other.

How come all the Igbo politicians, from senators to house of assembly, governors, counsellors etc are never speaking about breaking away Are u not the ones that appointed them to represent u? The only people complaining are those who don't have access to loot funds. Period.

Politics › Re: UK Government On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(op): 11:10pm On Jul 08, 2021

Monogamy:
You people are taking your jokes too far..

UK to sanction Nigeria because of Lamidi Cownu? What did UK do about the Acclaimed Lekki massacre?

Make you people continue to dey believe and swallow una own lies

This guys can't reason again. I just can't believe their level of reasoning

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Politics › Knowing How To Win Friends Is Better Than Knowing How To Fight Enemies By Reno by pafra(op): 8:58pm On Jul 08, 2021

Knowing How To Win Friends Is Better Than Knowing How To Fight Enemies

I find it very difficult to understand Nnamdi Kanu’s followers. Many of them have heard the things Mr. Kanu has said about Yorubas, and ethnic minorities in the South. Yet, they get upset and hurl insults and invectives at anyone who points out that those are very imprudent things to say to people who would have otherwise been sympathetic to their cause.

Instead of introspection, they would rather insult and attack and show no form of understanding where other people come from, or remorse over those unfortunate choices of words.

Think of the sheer amount of time, money and political capital I have put towards showing solidarity with the Southeast and fighting against their marginalisation. It means nothing to these people.

If a Yoruba, or other Southern ethnic minority wakes up to say the type of things Nnamdi Kanu has said about Yorubas and Southern ethnic minorities about Igbos, would they like it?

Google all my previous works saluting the industry, courage and inventiveness of the Igbo. I have written more in praise of the people of the Southeast than of my own people. Why did I do this? Because I felt for them. I felt their pains. I empathised with them over the fact that they have given so much to Nigeria and yet get so little back.

There is no Igbo person heading any of the three arms of government, neither is there a single Igbo in the National Security Council. This is against the Federal Character Principle.

Even when Nnamdi Kanu was re-arrested, I went out of my way to investigate the circumstances of his arrest and exposed the truth, much to the annoyance of the Buhari administration.

There are people who actually believe that Onyeka Onwenu is my biological mother, the way I have been dedicated to supporting the cause of the Southeast.

But I ask Nnamdi Kanu’s followers what they would do if, for example, Sunday Igboho, should say such things about Igbos, as Nnamdi Kanu has said about others. Would they like it? Would they still support Igboho?

Why not apply wisdom. First of verify that these things were said. They are on video and you can actually see Nnamdi Kanu saying them.

What kind of child would support a neighbour that says his parents are unprintable names that I cannot even write here?

And then you add insult to injury. Having watched those tapes and listened to those audios, and feeling astounded that anyone could speak such vile things about your people, his followers, who would never, ever, accept if such things were said about them, come out to add further insults.

How can you win friends like that? You deliberately alienate people and you expect them to support you?

Even the Buhari, whose nepotism and tribalism we are jointly against will not be that callous. He is busy winning friends. He is adding, rather than subtracting. He has invaded Igboland with a charm offensive to poach Igbo governors, Senators, Representatives and other leaders.

Meanwhile, you are there alienating left, right and centre. You cannot be advised. You already know how it can be done. Anybody who expresses shock at the things you leaders says is a “betrayer”, “sabo”, or has “collected money from Buhari”.

Obviously, the nepotistic Buhari understands both politics and war better than you!

My counsel to these people is that they should get a fly and insult it from morning to night and see if it dies. If their insults cannot kill a fly, then how do they think it can kill a man who was one of the most insulted men on Earth between 2011 and 2015, when I was a spokesman to President Jonathan and had to endure daily insults from supporters of General Muhammadu Buhari and Bola Tinubu?

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Avid traveller. Hollywood Magazine Film Festival Humanitarian of the Year, 2019.

Politics › Re: UK Government On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(op): 8:42pm On Jul 08, 2021

Masterkernel1:
Nigeria can't do anything on her own.

Mention one country that does things on their own.

Every country is dependent on others.

But sanctions on UK government alone can't.

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Politics › Re: UK Government On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(op): 6:47pm On Jul 08, 2021

Masterkernel1:
We're well schoolled. Sanctions will cripple this declining state of a nation.

I will not argue with you. I want to respect your claim that you are well schooled. But let's see how international politics will play out in this case.

Remember that it was discussed yesterday in UK.

Let's see how UK sanctions will cripple Nigeria fragile.

Politics › Re: UK Government On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(op): 6:24pm On Jul 08, 2021

Masterkernel1:
Almajiri kindly upload the link to authentic your imagination.

I don't insult nor call names.
You were expecting them to declare war against Nigeria right?
Keep waiting

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Politics › Re: UK Government On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(op): 6:17pm On Jul 08, 2021

NigeriaNawa:
Fake News

You guys never believe anything Contrary.

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Politics › UK Government On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(op): 6:05pm On Jul 08, 2021

Breaking News from UK Government

"We cannot get you out of prison or detention, nor can we get special treatment for you because you are British. If however you are not treated in line with internationally accepted standards we will consider approaching local authorities."

"If you are a dual British national in the country of your other nationality (for example, a dual Nigerian-British national in Nigeria), we would not normally offer you support or get involved in dealings between you and the authorities of that state."

"We would not normally attend a court case involving a British national, and we cannot influence the outcome of any trial.”

~ British High Commission,
Abuja, Nigeria

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Politics › Re: Malami Replies Kelechi Madu On Nnamdi Kanu by pafra(m): 7:07pm On Jul 07, 2021

heniford2:
aboki man doing copy and past

You have not been to the court of law before?
That is what lawyer's do.
It is not copy and paste.
You prove your case with relevant laws.

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Politics › Re: Methodist Church Votes To Allow Same-sex Marriages by pafra(m): 7:20am On Jul 01, 2021

John Wesley. Will be some where weeping. This was not the church with so much power that he founded. The devil have taken over.

Education › Re: New Oxford Science Academy Accepts School Fees In Cryptocurrency In Kano by pafra(m): 2:42pm On Jun 25, 2021

Trojan8:
Legal tender coins or banknotes that must be accepted if offered in payment of a debt.

You must be a fool to think that I as daft as you are. CBN didn't ban crypto but directed all commercial banks not to allow crypto be traded with her legal tender.

So how then does the average Nigerian buy something that you can't purchase with naira? Quote me for more free education.

"How do you trade something that the legal tender is against?"

Look at your first sentence above in quote.
Google helped you you out abi? Google is really your friend.

*legal tender is against * I laughed in Spanish. For which education? On Legal tender is against?

But I can educate you on how an average Nigerian can buy something you can purchase with Naira.

Mind you Nigerians are among the highest investors in crypto currency in the world.

I wonder where they are purchasing from since you claim an average Nigerian can purchase with Naira.

Nothing wrong if you humble yourself and learn. No allow your mentor Buhari confused you

Foreign Affairs › Re: 'New Type Of Early Human' Found In Israel by pafra(m): 2:20pm On Jun 25, 2021

Education › Re: New Oxford Science Academy Accepts School Fees In Cryptocurrency In Kano by pafra(m): 12:09pm On Jun 25, 2021

Trojan8:
How do you trade something that the legal tender is against?

Go and learn English and stop embarrassing yourself.

NOTE : legal tender means money. Delete legal tender and put money then read your sentence again.

You don't know, you should be humble to learn not to insult

Education › Re: New Oxford Science Academy Accepts School Fees In Cryptocurrency In Kano by pafra(m): 12:02pm On Jun 25, 2021

Trojan8:
How do you trade something that the legal tender is against?

That is an ignorant question.

Just download the app fund and trade. It has lifted so many from poverty.

Education › Re: New Oxford Science Academy Accepts School Fees In Cryptocurrency In Kano by pafra(m): 9:18pm On Jun 24, 2021

O

Crypto was not ban. They only stop banks from accepting or transacting on it.

You should get your facts right.

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Christianity Etc › Re: CAN Mourns TB Joshua 72 Hours After Death by pafra(m): 10:55am On Jun 09, 2021

Kingsnairaland:
Who ordained Paul for ministry..

People no longer read Bible

You don't need a man to do God work

God chooses who he wants

You got it wrong. Paul was lunch ordined into ministry by ananias . Read again. Act 9:17-19.

Even Jesus was lunch into ministry by John.

Jesus mentor and lunch the twelve disciples.

I am not against him but this are basic spiritual principles..

Politics › Re: Twitter Is Getting It Wrong by pafra(op): 6:25am On Jun 06, 2021

MadamExcellency:
It's normal. When you see offensive post on Twitter, you hit the report button the same way it's done on Nairaland. It's now left for the moderators to evaluate it and do the needful without fear or favor.

Overheating the polity because Buhari's comment with his personal account was deleted is too childish.

The Twitter Account in question is Buhari's personal account not a Nigerian Government Account like if it is @NGRPresident or government related handle.

Did you also see join statement from other eu and au world leaders condemning the Twitter act?

Politics › Re: Twitter Ban: Canada, The EU, Ireland, UK And US Issues Joint Statement by pafra(m): 6:21am On Jun 06, 2021

ruggedtimi:
By the time this joint countries issue a visa ban for all the government officials involved in blocking twitter..there eye go clear

Are you sure you understand the subject of discussion?

Read again and stop magnifying your ignorance.

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