Emeks008:
If you truly want to know where true Christianity is been practised in Nigeria, go up North.

In the face of persecution, they still gather together to worship God.

The Southern Christian don't even know what most Northern Christian undergoes daily expecially in the core Northern states like Borno, Katsina, Adamawa, Yobe, etc...

Pls Let's always remember them in our prayers.

Stop all this rubbish talk.

lexy2014:


What makes u think u are reasoning logically?

lexy2014:


Based on d above, I don't think u should be bothered about d thread

lexy2014:


So what exactly are u doing on d thread?

UDUJ:


Stay off my mention sheeple that can't think with his own brain, you rather let your pastors do the thinking for you, smh

Gullible lots

desiredhome:

Unfortunately these pastorprenours (one man business owners) are the real problem of Nigeria......using Church to brainwash/deceive their gullible members....
Only dead brain fellows will still fall victim to these criminals.......

lexy2014:


My question requires a simple yes or no:

Can Suleiman prove in d court of law that angels put money in people's accounts while d service was going on?

UDUJ:


The gullible Nigerians will always fall for their scams.

Visocrate:
Its because people still apply the university that's why they come up with useless laws as if after graduation they are sure of better jobs than the other graduates of their counterparts, they don't know that after university you go back to almost square one and start looking for means of livelihood because the jobs are not there,
I thought they have educational psychologist who should have told them the two major functions of education:
Manifest function and latent function, and the place value of the latent function can not be undermined

tunjijones:


Within one year?

Those pastors were recruited in 2020. Why not put them under performing pastors so that they can learn the act of cajoling people.

PIMPAR:
I begin to wonder, when all these mugus attending Oyedipo church will begin to get sense.

Ikinternational:



I dare you to post your account balance.
All you dickheads like coming to nairaland to make noise as if you're somebody irl.

Mr English professor that argues with bus conductors for change. Na your level

You understood my English enough to reply.
Stupid motherfucker

I can wipe my ass with your Networth..facts

Ikinternational:




This is how an adult reasons?...Jesus
How unfortunate

Rubbish comparison

Quaddafi29:
Does this make sense? You build a church in village where other 7 churches exist. and you gauge fruitfulness by the number worshipers poached from the other churches? So if they stick to their own churches, that means they are not good Christians? Many like me are tired of this too much prosperity and are seeking salvation first. Money comes from the adherents and since the adherents are few, the money is likely to be scanty. I think money is the issue. Encourage the innocent pastors and the money will come later.

Cousin9999:


A boarding school gives tons of perverts easy access to your child. That doesn't reflect the real world where those same deviants have to deal with a host of protections. It doesn't reflect the real world in any other viable way unless you're referring to prison.

Different categories of boarding schools don't actually exist because whether it's a cheap facility or 50K USD a year school, the child will still be in an environment that does not support healthy growth and development, and does leave them very vulnerable to abuse.

Cousin9999:
Day school.

Boarding schools encourage negative behaviors and leave your child vulnerable to predators.

Kids need the support, supervision, and guidance of parents.

VTJN:
You are absolutely right sir

Even if the would is sane enough, i won't still advice anyone to enrol his/her ward to a boarding

Mykelslim:
I went to boarding school. I won't send my child there besides I'm going to give them in some home projects at early stage which I'd like to monitor.

wirinet:

It was not a contribution. It was for a vest I was already given to enable me move around the church without being harassed by the security. When I was given the vest, I was not informed that I would have to pay. Later they started harrasing me that I owe the church N1,500.


This incident happened about 8 years ago. I have never gone back to the church since. My still attends though.


Maybe the law came in effect recently. In those days of "Double Double" they were collecting donations for everything - both minor and major. There was even a crisis when they told people to start paying N100 for the free transportation for Sunday services. Most people in my estate got angry and stopped attending winners then. The main pastor had to come to the estate to apologize to each member before some returned to the church.


As I said. This was my experience about 8 years ago. I would not know if things have changed.


We did the main offering every sunday, then after that there was the children's church building offering. In addition they often asked people to donate building materials like cement, roofing sheets, etc.



Ikorodu branch.

triplechoice:


It seems you like to ramble

If the main concern for the Church is the winning of souls and not money, why bother at all whether they the souls bring or don't bring money?

Why not focus on the job God has called you to do and let him reward you with prosperity

Or are you God's Chief accountant to take account of his finances ?

wirinet:


Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.

My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.

Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.

Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.

Winners church exploit people to the fullest.

triplechoice:


You just rambled without mentioning the exact source of your Church revenue

Kobojunkiee:
If this is all about God, why measure this church growth you speak of?

Did God say "church growth" is of importance? Did God assign anyone "kingdom advancement" tasks, assuming here you are referring to God's Kingdom of not Man's kingdom?

What is oyedepo's labour in this? the growing of His kingdom/business here on earth or some assignment that God assigned him in secret?

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

blamingthedevil:

Interpret "growth index" for us

Acidosis:
The media will always use people's minds and emotions the way they want. That's why I didn't bother to respond to that thread.

First, whoever believes that Winners Chapel will release such a letter and cite money reasons must be very very senseless in real life.

Second, the idea of dismissing a pastor out of service doesn't make sense. However, I do not expect an unproductive church to remain unproductive either. What are you doing as a Church if you don't attract new souls? Of course, more souls typically means more income for the church. So yeah, no one should be surprised when everyone focus on the money which they believe is the answer to all their life troubles.

If the church is not growing, what should the church management do? The right alternative should have been to change the leadership of the local church, not outrightly sack a pastor (unless there are genuine reasons to do so). He may thrive better in a new environment, or simply work together with other pastors in an established church. This is the norm everywhere.

Wiseandtrue:
I wasn't going to comment on this topic until Oyedepo himself address this issue!

But Reno, got this all wrong!

You guys have become fishers of money and not fishers of men chai! God must be a patient God oooo!

Now if the growth you are talking about is the physical growth:

Did the apostles win souls for Christ when He was with them I mean they were always going about with Jesus

And if the monetary aspect, many of the disciples STOPPED working when they met Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ has been taking care of every of their needs! Go and read Matthew 4:18–22, Mark 3:16-20 and Luke 5:1–11 , John 1:35–51!

So if BISHOP Oyedepo is really like Christ and is doing the work of Jesus Christ why can't he take care of his pastors need Or is God Almighty not a great provider again

Is Oyedepo now God Stop making mockery of God's name all in the name of looking for money!
Modified:

Did you read at all

Did Oyedepo ordained these men without hearing from God

God cannot contradict Himself!

Who is Oyedepo to sack those who wish to serve God

Even when the apostles were trying to stop those worshipping God simply because they are not part of them

Jesus Christ said "leave them! If they are not against us, they are with us!

How do you sack a pastor who is not stealing, going diabolical As a pastor, was he not prayerful Is he found wanted as a leader at home

Common!

owobokiri:
As usual, non in the South East that has the worst of roads in the whole country,....
No other ministry has been too forward in refusing projects in the South East than fasholas ministry of works!
Not saying this expecting anything to change. Just saying so because it surely will be useful in the future..