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Rashford and Lingard are at best squad players at this moment.

JayKayMaybachz:
Today is my birthday fam..

Happy birthday bruv, may the odds always be in your favor...

chrisley024:
My point is that Rojo is average and at the same time always injured. He should fvck off. Every team needs some average players that can come in and do some job, reason I don't ask for the selling of player like Smalling who is average but mostly fit. Herrera can make a good squad player since he's mostly fit. The worst is being average and always unavailable.

This doesn't include Darmian though. We should asap offer him to Napoli as I heard they want him

Hehehe

eph12:
That's false. Players accused of under performing are not dropped out rightly in those clubs. There are many evidences to that

My point is that they are always under pressure to perform...

raumdeuter:
Almost every player at those clubs have been accused of not performing Bale Benzema have been accused on not performing

Busquets, Iniesta, Pique Suarez etc almost everyone save Messi have been accused of not performing and most are still at Barca

Same with Bayern

I hope you got my point this tho that players in Bayern and Barca are consistently under pressure to perform...

ctuagent007:
1. See the only thing City has over utd is their FORM & those players starting to adapt to Pep's style.....I once read Bernardo Silva is still finding it hard to adapt to Pep's footy but they believe with time he would.

2. Apart from Kolarov & Nolito, the rest that left were all out of contract just as Wheel.Share, Sanchez & Ozil will be out of contract once this season finishes.

3. Nolito complained of Manchester whether but in truth it was that he was benched everytime & Kolarov asked to leave of his freewill esp with Pep shopping for a left back to compete with him & u know Yaya Toure is on his final contract.

4. Rashford over Sterling.... only diff is Sterling is in form

5. Ibra is just coming back after 8-9 mths & Blind is good just as Mata is but all depends on coaches & their usage or preferences.

6. Mou prefers brute or brawn or power over skills....power players to him can use their strength to maneuver & that is why Blind or Mata suffer cos their little power works against them & they will hardly track back

You're right, however Blind and Mata tho technically gifted are easily disposed, you can't compare them to Silva/Alba/Sane who know how to retain possession under pressure.

chrisley024:
Add Rojo to that list. Nansense player

Herrera and Herrera can be excused since they were very good last season, however, that's the difference between us and Real Madrid, Barca and Bayern is that when you ain't performing you dropped or out rightly replaced without any consideration of your past contribution to the course of the club...It's this loyalty that sets up a scenario where you saw/see fans defending Rooney, Herrera, Rojo, Lukaku etc. In Madrid you can score for 20 straight games, but once you lose form, the fans wil boo you...We need to set the bar very high for our players.

dubylhover:
lolz..very funny indeed..its becos rashford found himself playing in this united team,would he have played in a sir Alex team? I still c him as mates with Calvert-lewin...he has potential,but for now,that's just it..

but you know a reason why mou can't offload all d average players at once is that if he does,we won't even have up to 11 players left at d club...its just unfortunate..but we would get there sha

Hopefully...

Yet some people were arguing that Rashford is better than Sterling, Ibra better than Aguero and so on, for all of Pep brilliance, one thing I like about him is his ability to ship out average players in his team...
Over at United, Mourinho is still keeping Darmian, Blind and a host of other utterly useless players whereas Pep wasted no time in shipping out Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov (Who can still do a job), Navas, Nolito and the rest.

raumdeuter:
Boateng was a 22yr old when he joined City and spent a season playing as a full back, he was quickly poached by Bayern and played in Central defence [s]where he became one of the best in the world[/s]

Try this; where he became protected by a world class midfield; Martinez, Bastian and Kross...

raumdeuter:
He was winning world cup, CL as the core of the defence.

Boateng when fit was winning CL and world cup for Germany beating both finals. Bonnuci for Milan is getting singled out for criticism

When Boateng was at City, he was beasting right?

raumdeuter:
Possession and high line approach actually exposes defenders because they get caught more in 1 vs 1 situation we all saw how Terry looked clueless when he was played in a high line

Every defender will rather have 4 other teammates around him in a smaller area than to be stretched out in a foot race over 30yards

Benatia that is the core of Juve community defence now that succeded Bonnuci was chased away from a high line defence for midfielders like Kimmich and Alaba

How many times do Bayern or Barca defenders get tested compared to Juventus or say Chelsea defenders?

raumdeuter:
This is a troll by Milan fans who are thoroughly dissapointed in Bonnuci that they organized a facebook event to celebrate the masterclass

mockery. In fact, shortly after the end of Milan's 0-0 draw with AEK, a new Facebook event invited thousands of users to attend "Bonucci's masterclass

And 10,000 Milan fans signed up to attend the mockery of Bonnuci with a few hours

Anyoen can google this "AC Milan Fans Create Hilarious Facebook Event to Rinse Flop Signing Leonardo Bonucci After AEK Draw"

I dont want to post the link because of spambot. If Milan fans are singling out Bonnuci for being a flop

How about quotes by Bayern fans/hierarchy about Boateng.

raumdeuter:
Fact is that Bonnuci is overrated and I called it early most of the Juventus defenders are overrated and just benefit from a parapo defensive unit

Now Bonnuci has left, whoever his replacement is in Juve soon we would be hearing he is the defence stalwart.

Barzagli that was a monumental flop in Wolfsburg is now cutting it, The truth is when you have many people helping out in defence, as a defender you are covered, thats why many mediocre defenders like Terry have been able to escape scrutiny, shebi last season Luiz was heralded as a voltron because he played in parapo community defence, This season they dropped him got a young Christensen and Rudiger and the defence continued

Boateng went to City as a 21yr old defender, played as a RB and LB when Bayern a bigger club called, he did the rational thing left for a bigger team

Is Pique also overrated because he benefits a lot from Barcelona's possession game especially in the Pep era? The same question applies to Boateng...
Please be logical in your response because if you think Bonucci was only made to look good because of the approach adopted by Conte and later Alegri, it's high time we also check if the possession based approach of Barca and Bayern helps their defenders who in most cases are hardly tasked with defending, rather, ball playing...

RuffRuggedRaw:
My guy spare me abegi. On that una very same Man Utd thread, you guys will use your hands and type stuffs like "Bailly >>> Otamendi", "Rashford >>> Kelechi", "Martial >>> Jesus", "De Gea >>> Courtois", "Pogba >>> Fernandinho". Then come back and start wailing that you do not have the best players. Isn't hindsight a bi.ac=tch!?

The other day, some United fans posted a fictional starting 11 list combo of Manchester United / Tottenham Hotspurs players. Guess how many Spurs players were in the list ------ 2 out of 11; and if I take silence to be consent, over half your fans on that thread agreed to that list!!! Only 2 Spurs were "deemed good enough" to displace Manchester United players if they were all up for selection on the same team.

Granted, there will always be bias as long as the team you support is involved but do not come afterwards and start claiming otherwise. In the name of loyalty to club, una go mes-kafon anyhow, then come back to wan begin dey from sensimilia wen hand don touch una!

Thank God you acknowledge that there is always some bias when rival fans are comparing players, it's down to banter...During such banters, it is not uncommon to see an Arsenal fan claiming Ozil is the best 10 in the world or a United fan claiming Lukaku is better than Kane but here, we're being factual and devoid of emotions.

raumdeuter:
How important Carling cup is

West Ham Man City, Arsenal and Leicester all fielded second string squad

This is the tournament some people want to roll out drums for

I'm sure if you see Darmian, Shaw, Herrera, Rashford, Romero, Rojo, Mkhitaryan etc today you'll call them first team players...

Again you see them saying we were making jest of City players last season and praising them now when in truth, it's Pep that was mostly on the receiving end, I make bold to say that the difference between last season and the present one is that Pep has stopped trying to be too smart, he has kept things simple and this has made the team stronger.
If you watched City last season, you'd have seen that the same players were tearing apart every team they came up against until it got to Pep's head and he started doing things unheard of, Zabaleta and Clichy, supposed fullbacks were tucking into the midfield (Crazy) leaving only Stones and Otamendi, now tell me which defender won't get exposed in this set up?
The year, Walker is always at right back, Delph/Mendy at left back, he just ditched those crazy ideas of his that left them exposed not like he did anything out of the world or unseen...

The same Sane that terrorized Madrid in the UCL as a teenager is the one some folks want us to believe is only playing well because of Pep...
Sterling on the other hand was one of the best players in Liverpool and after Suarez left, he was their go to man but some folks want us to believe he is only playing well cos of Pep...
Same Otamendi Man United tried to sign but was beaten to his signature is now an average defender cos people want to praise Pep.
Walker isn't as good as Valencia because it's an argument, I must not lose. When to be honest they are both brainless, often depending on pace and power rather than footballing IQ, even at that, Walker, scores more and assist more.
How on earth is current Ibra better than Aguero if not that it's an argument and as far as nairaland is concerned, it's an abomination to admit superior opinion in an argument. At this point in time, I'd love to see a coach who will even take Ibra over Jesus, very unlikely but folks look at United's bench and want to convince us that Ibra there is akin to the one that ruled series A when in all honesty he is past it.


To see how ridiculous this whole thing is, they want us to believe Mendy and Kompany are out injured and shouldn't be considered when comparing both teams or doing a combined 11 but they are talking about Bailly who is injured, Shaw and Ibra who have barely played this season...Kompany that walks straight to the starting 11 anytime he feels slightly comfortable to play is the one they want us to believe isn't good enough when in all honesty he is better than anything Manchester United have to offer. Or is Stones who is not better than Smalling? Last season, people castigated Stones because of his price tag (Same excuse most Man Utd fans make for Pogba) and a bid to get to Pep for his preference for ball playing CBs.

chrisley024:
We should just sell this injury prone Rojo and get Maguire

Maguire is a very good ball playing CB, took note of him when we played Hull City last season.

dubylhover:
bro are you actually serious or just trolling,give me a reason y ibrahimovic is better than aguero..
as for b.Silva,is it because hes on city bench,how can you compare a technically gifted player like him with rashford..honestly is rashi better than zaha? is it cos Manu has poor quality that rashford finds time to play steadily..

how is sane not as good as mane? speed?trickery?creativity? what exactly...sane is as good as you can get....
for the fact a player plays for d club you support doesn't mean he's d best..compare rashford,martial,lingard with sterling,sane,b.Silva..then you understand the difference in quality....

rashford that still doesn't have football understanding on when to run Nd when to pass? that's who is being compared to bernardo Silva..

I wanted to reply him but I realized it was just another round of back and forth, so I stopped...You typed what was on my mind...

dopeJemi:
We are talking about the team with the best squad, we can't go lower than the top 6, you said "we can argue that some of his starting eleven are easily the best in the league" and I gave you players from different teams that have better players and are easily the best in their positions or better than the City players playing in those positions


Now let's do as you have said, Man City Vs Man Utd, Valencia and Young/shaw are better than Walker and Delph/danilo, Lukaku is better than Jesus, Ibrahimovic is better than Aguero, Martial= Sane, De gea better than Ederson, Pogba= De bruyne, Is bernando Silva better than rashford? Fernandinho Vs Matic is debatable, is otamendi better than Bailly? is stones better than Jones?

Vs Chelsea, Alonso and Azpilicueta are better than Walker and Delph, kante is better than fernandinho, Hazard is better than All their wingers, Morata is better than Jesus

Vs Liverpool, Mane, salah, coutinho are better forwards than Sterling, sane and Jesus

Arsenal and Tottenham are the clubs I believe they have better players than

Valencia = Walker, Young/Shaw are not as good as Mendy and Delph has been great as a LB much like Young. Aguero is better than Lukaku and Jesus is more valuable and at the moment better than Ibra (emphasis here isn't on the name but the impact of each on their respective teams), De Bruyne is better than Pogba, Bernardo Silva (Only God knows why you left out David Silva) is better than Rashford, it's not all about Pace, B. Silva is 5 times more intelligent than Rashford. We've not talked about Sterling, Gundam etc

Over to Chelsea, Morata isn't better than Aguero, Mendy is better than Alonso, KDB is better than Fab, Silva is better than Pedro, Kante vs Fernandinho is down to a coaches preference, Fernandinho is more of a 4 than Kante who is box to box...Hazard is boss as is Courtios.

At Liverpool, Mane =Sane, Aguero is better than Firming, Silva/KDB is better than Coutinho. Salah is boss.
Thanks

raumdeuter:
Lets look at the players on Chelsea bench

Rudiger Luiz, Drinkwater Willian, Fabregas Batsuayi are these players not guaranteed starter at rival clubs?

Now lets look at Man Utd, Smalling Darmian Rojo, Blind, Herrera, Mikitaryan Mata, Zlatan are these not guaranteed starters at rival clubs

Drinkwater will bench who at United? Willian that has been criticized well on this board? Batsuayi that isn't trusted even in the absence of Morata? Luiz and Fabregas are first teamers bar injury or twitches.

Over at United, Blind won't start in any of the rival teams, same with Darmain, Zlatan is old and can't be trusted, Mata, Mhki, Herrera won't start in any of the top 6 teams...
Starters not pretenders

BlueAngel444:
I said manage not build Chelsea's team , why is simple understanding hard for some people even when you born 1095bc you still reason lower than a foetus.


That other mofon pa'prick went and started a comparison, why will you like argument more than having sense.

Because I said Pep using that Chelsea 11 would have done what City 11 are doing, you want to turn it to fight

Learn to be civil.

dopeJemi:
Will danilo and Walker bench Valencia and Azpilicueta? will Otamendi bench Bailly and Koscielny? will fernandinho bench Kante? will Sterling or sane or bernando Silva bench Hazard, salah and Mane? will Delph bench Young, Shaw and Alonso? will Jesus bench Kane, Lukaku and Morata? will ederson bench De gea?
look at all the recent awards given this year and tell me how many city players made the list compared to Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea

City don't have the best squad, Pep has made the best out of the squad

You're are comparing City against the top 6 to validate your point which is wrong, is Valencia, Kante, Koscielny, Bially, Salah, Mane etc in the same team? Nope, compare them with the starting teams of their rivals, compare City and United, City and Chelsea, City and Liverpool, City and Arsenal, City and Spurs and not City vs Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs combined 11...
Morever, my argument was premised on the fact that City have a better bench than their rivals and can easily replace a starting player without a consequent drop in quality...Argue with this point.

BlueAngel444:
What you have is what you give, all things have been working for City's good from transfers, to fixtures to player fitness while Chelsea might have excuses.

Chelsea's slow start to the season and in games affected the results. I still hope Chelsea take drastic actions. But credit must be given to Sterling for recovering his best form and being the player City hope he will be a goal scoring winger is a threat Chelsea has lacked with the poor form of Chelsea's attackers pointed out by Conte.

Also to the combination of Silva and KDB a compartibility and understanding they have formed over time while Conte has had to work with different midfield systems for various reasons which has also affected performances.

If Pep was managing this Chelsea our first 11 might have been Azpi, Chris, Cahill, Alonso; Kante, Fabregas, Willian; Hazard, Morata, Pedro

as a 4-3-3, I can even see a 4-2-3-1.

This 11 is by far better than City's Walker, Stones, Otemendi, Mendy; Fernandinho, KDB, Silva; Sane, Jesus/ Aguero, Sterling

Joke of the year, Fernandinho is better than Kante for the qualities Pep wants from his Midfielders and Silva and KDB over Cesc and Willian any day...The midfield and Defense is key for Pep and from what you posted, that City's defense retains the ball better and have better full backs.

I think when you say Pep has the best squad at his disposal people really don't get what you mean, there's a big difference between best payers and best squads, he might not have the best players in all positions in his team but then, you can argue that some of his starting eleven are the best in their position in the league...
Talking about squad, a look at City's bench will give you a clear picture of how good a squad of players Pep has at his disposal, Gundogan, Danilo, Jesus, B. Silva, Toured, Bravo etc here's a collection of guaranteed starters at rival clubs.
Madrid had a very good squad going for them in the past couple of season till Zidane and Perez thought otherwise and sold Morata and sent James on loan. At this point, City can comfortably replace a starting 11 player without any consequent drop in quality, a luxury non of their rivals have.

funlord:
"Early on in my career I was working too hard tracking back and Alex ferguson sat me down. He said it would affect me when I am in the opponents box. You become a bit leggy afterwards and he told me not to do so much work in that regard and always be ready for when we get chances.

I feel with rashford is maybe a bit of the same. You see him going back into the full back areas. It's great that he's got that enthusiasm but to get the best out of him going forward he maybe needs to let the defenders and midfielders do all that!"



Wayne Rooney............Talksport

Mou should take note, I seldom see Messi tracking back or chasing the ball around, he strolls most times in a bid to preserve energy for when he goes on his swashbuckling runs.

kelvinze:
But the players I listed ain't even that difficult..but woodward had made a mockery of himself in his first season that's why club always makes man u pay over d odds for players which is not normal..These players can be signed at least if we can sign all ..let's try and sign that goeretza guy. if we get him,we don't have to worry bout Pogba absence dah much

Spot on..

kelvinze:
we are always after everyone but later the board will decide that signing Average players is the best for the club..
For me..this window..let's get Ozil for d no.10 role, Goretza(from schalke) for d no.8 role...he might turn out to be d next Toni kroos(who we missed out on). and a mahrez /Fekir /Di maria(any one of em) for d Rw role.

If we get the players that you've listed then Woodward deserves to be knighted... Lol

slimghost:
How come nobody is talking about Bordeaux's Malcolm? The youngster looks a perfect solution to our RW problems.
He has it all except for aerial ability.
I say we get him.

Well, I haven't watched the said Malcolm but Adam Ounas was also rated highly but he is struggling to get game time at Napoli, the pressure and fight for starting berth at big clubs is tough.

Fkhalifa:
Facts Wenger and some fans still don't know...

Bellerin is a spoilt child, he needs bench

Xhaka is a waste buy,he doesn't fit our system nor is he what we need

Coquelin performs better at the DM position.. Just protect the back 4,win ball back and lay simple pass to the nearest attacking player, but pairing him with an immobile xhaka means he bumps forward and he isn't good at that..

Iwobi is not a right winger,look at sterling and sane,they cause you problems from the wing,iwobi is better in the ozil and Ramsey role..

Sanchez isn't a left winger,he's too right footed.. Shift him to the right..

Lastly we have so many one footed players( Montreal,xhaka,kolasinac,ozil,wilshere,giroud,Sanchez,bellerin, etc

Only lacazete,carzola,maybe welbeck and Ramsey can lift the other foot.

You're right except the Sanchez line, he is best as a LWF cutting into his right foot

JayKayMaybachz:
Valencia and Perisic
We don't need those


We need a creative and technical rw

Perisic is better operating from the left hand side...