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OLAADEGBU: It is a sign to the nation of Israel. I am not altering from the word of God. Let's hear the Lord of Sabbath speaking again:

"And He said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath" (Mark 2:27-28 ).

The Lord Jesus Christ, who created the Sabbath in the beginning explains here why He did not create all things in one day which He could have done if He wanted to instead of 6 days. He made us aware that we would need a day of rest and worship one day out of seven, and so He set the example from the beginning.

The sabbath is for man's enjoyment but man is nt d lord of the sabbath.when govt digs a borehole,it is for d people but it is govt dat maintains authority.man is meant to enjoy d sabbath,it is only Christ dat can change it and he did nt.d sabbath has never been a day out of seven,it is THE SEVENTH DAY(gen 2,exo 20,exo 31,ezekiel32,isaiah 53) the specificity of d day is PART of the commandment.just like u dont just choose anyday as ur birthday,u cant choose anyday for sabbath,especially when u are nt d lord of the sabbath

OLAADEGBU: The Sabbath given to the Jews was a ceremonial law and Jesus has fulfilled all ceremonial laws and ordinances when He died on the Cross. The Sabbath was given as a sign to Israel (read Exodus 31:13-17). If you study your Bible you will discover that the Sabbath has not been given as a sign to the Church. For millenniums after this commandment was given to Israel we can still see the sign that separates Israel from other nations, they continue to keep the Sabbath holy till this day.

The apostles came together on the first day of the week to break bread (Acts 20:7). What we call offerings today was taken on the first day of the week (1 Corinthians 16:2). When do Sabbath keepers gather together to break bread and take collections? It's certainly not on the same day as the early Christians did.

if d sabbath is ceremonial and nailed to d cross,then all d 10commandments also follow and therefore u can decide to rob ur church and kill ur pastor tomorrow.2.if d sabbath ended at d cross,the disciples who started Christianity after d cross will nt keep it but they did-acts 13,15,17,math 24:20.3..Why do u apply d promises of the bible to urself when they were written years back to Israel.It is because in Christ we are spiritual israel-Gal 3.4.Christ did nt give any directive to change d sabbath day,christ does nt change(mal3:6) neither does his law(ps19:7).5.d offering collected in 2cor 16 was nt in d church but at individual house and it was a special offering taken by Paul for missionaries.6.breaking of break in d context of Acts 2 was done every day from house to house,dat is nt a sabbath service.7.all d times d disciples gathered on d first day b4 Christ ascension was for fear of d jews nt for worship.8.Israel had two kind of sabbath-d weekly seventh day sabbath which started in Gen 2 b4 d fall and before d jewish ceremonies-d sabbaths of festivals which can fall on any day(lev 23) which were contained in d ordinances,d book of Moses(see Nehemiah 10).d sabbaths of festivals ended when Christ died because he was the fulfilment of all the feasts and types.because d feasts ended,d sabbaths relating to them ended(col2,eph2).d weekly sabbath did nt end with Christ death because it came b4 d fall and Christ death was meant to only reverse the things that came as a result of the fall.Also, d weekly sabbath is part of d 10commandments which are still in existence-psalms 107:7,8,mathew 5:16-18...9u cannot be saved by keeping d sabbath,it is only an expression of love for d redeemer

OLAADEGBU: Are you aware of what the Lord Jesus Christ said regarding marriage and Sabbath at the beginning of creation? Sabbath does not mean the 7th day, it means the day of rest. There is no where in the NT where it says that Christians are to keep the Sabbath holy. Read Colossians 2:16 and Mark 2:27 if you are in doubt.

Christ kept d sabbath(luke 4:16),d apostles did,greeks converted to Christianity did(acts 13,15,17),christ expected that it will still be kept at Ad70(mathew 24:20),and in d new earth(isaiah66:23).d fact dat marriage was made for man does nt mean we should cancel it,d same applies to d sabbath.as long as u find directive to keep d commandments,it includes d sabbath

OLAADEGBU: Can you tell me where the 4th commandment says that Christians are to worship on the Sabbath?

Saturday comes from the Latin for "Saturn's day" which is a pagan day of worship of the planet Saturn. Did God tell you that your salvation depends on your keeping of a certain day? If so can you show us where He said so?

If God wanted Christians to keep the Sabbath day then He would have ceased on the opportunity to tell the Apostles when they gathered specifically to discuss the relationship of Christians to the decalogue (Acts 15:5-11, 24-29). All He had to do to save millions from the damnation of hell was to say "Remember to keep the Sabbath holy" and then millions of us would have kept it till date. Instead, the only commands the apostles were given was to "abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication."

If you don't agree with my submission, then kindly give us at least one command in the NT for Christians to keep the Sabbath holy?

can u show where eating things offered to idols and things strangled and blood are in the 10 commandments.also show me where it is expressly stated in d NT dat we should nt take God's name by vain.also remember that in Acts 15,they did not also tell them nt to steal or to obey their parent or nt to kill,does that justify these acts.try to do exegesis when u read and nt eisegesis

OLAADEGBU: That is the reason why Jesus said "Man is not made for Sabbath but Sabbath for man". But the moral law, which is the rest the decalogue is what God is going to use to Judge us on the Judgment Day. We keep them if we allow the Spirit of Christ to write them with indelible ink upon our hearts of flesh so that we may walk in the Spirit so as not to fulfil the lust of the flesh.

who gave u d permission to add or subtract from the law.d law of God is perfect,it needs no addition nor subtraction.any blemish in d law is a blemish on God's character.The sabbath is God's day(math 12:,we have no right to remove it

Candour: Wonderful write up indeed!! Particularly the bolded portions. Christ fulfilled all the righteous demands of the law and has given me the gift of his own righteousness.

Galatians 5:1 KJV
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Because

Romans 10:4 KJV
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

God bless the OP.

The grace of Christ is not a passport to sin(rom 6:1-23,7:7),sin is d transgression of the law(1john3:4,rom3:20),d sabbath is part of d ten commandments(exo 20:8-11),it follows dat d grace of Christ does nt justify us breaking d sabbath.Adam did nt enter Eden by his works,God put him there by grace but he lost it through disobedience,we are nt saved by works but we can lose our salvation through disobedience-exo 32:33,2sam24:17,rev 3:5.Remember,d law will be d standard at judgement-james 2:13,rev 22:12,mathew7:21-23

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OLAADEGBU: Words of Comfort: Keeping the Sabbath.

Scripture makes it clear that no one can be justified (made right with God) by keeping the Sabbath holy, or by keeping any other Commandment. All the Law does is bring the knowledge of sin to show us that we need a Saviour. Jesus fulfilled the demands of the Law, which means we can be made right with God through faith in Him alone (see Eph. 2:8,9). Believers now serve in the spirit, not the letter of the law, and the principle behind the Sabbath is this: Just as God created for six days then rested on the seventh, man is to work for six days and rest on the seventh—to cease working. Those who trust in Christ’s finished work on the cross have ceased trying to be justified through their own efforts and instead find their rest in Him. (See Heb. 4:3,10.) That is why keeping the Sabbath is a non-issue for Christians when it comes to eternal salvation. It is simply a matter of conscience. Christians have incredible liberty—no one can tell us what we must eat or drink, or what days we must observe.

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this is just a secondary application of the sabbath and secondary application does nt refute primary application.I can also use this method to say that 'thou shall nt commit adultery' means we should nt go away from Christ which is a secondary way God applies it in his relationship with Israel but does that mean dat christians can sleep around?no. We can apply the sabbath rest to our justification by faith but it does nt cancel its original meaning.However,we dont do it to be saved but out of love for Christ(john14:15) and by d grace of his saving power.(in my ref to sabbath,i mean the seventhday sabbath of Gen 2)

OLAADEGBU: Where you complicate issues is when you put the cart before the horse. It is only when we are justified by faith in Christ are we able to keep the commandments by His grace and not the other way round.

why cant Christ give u d same grace to keep the sabbath not to be saved but out of love.why remove d sabbath from the others.why lose one of the ten coins(luke15),why offend in one(james 2:10),why destroy d perfection of d law(ps 19:7)

OLAADEGBU: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of an holyday orof the new moon or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Colossians 2:16-17).

Let me leave you with a quote from Charles Spurgeon, who said:

"I am no preacher of the old legal Sabbath. I am a preacher of the gospel. The Sabbath of the Jew is to him a task; the Lord's Day of the Christian, the first day of the week, is to him a joy, a day of rest, of peace and of thanksgiving. And if you Christian men can earnestly drive away all distractions, so that you can really rest today, it will be good for your bodies, good for your souls, good mentally, good spiritually, good temporally and good eternally".

if d sabbath is 4 d jews,marriage is also for the jews because both marriage and d sabbath came before the fall and before there was ever a jew.dats why christ said,the sabbath was made for man,he didnt say for jews.God only gave it to the jews and he also gave it to the Christians-acts13:14,15:21,17:2,18:4.if it was for d jews,it should nt have been kept by d disciples even at 70AD(mathew24:20).Spurgeon is a man and he is fallible in his understanding

Emusan: I agree with you that God has set it (SABBATH) forever BUT NOT the way you interpreted it.

Hope these pieces of work will help?

But first know that Paul taught also that laws are the shadow of thing to come which is consummated by Christ Jesus.

Israel’s Sabbath observance, which was modeled after God’s own Sabbath, was intended to point to a greater spiritual rest. Just as God had rested from his work of creation and entered into an eternal Sabbath, a day which continues for all eternity, believers are to rest from trying to merit their
righteousness through observing the Law and trust in Christ’s perfect righteousness. Once a believer truly trusts in the Lord Jesus he enters into God’s own Sabbath whereby he no longer has to merit his justification
since he has been given the promise of eternal life:

"Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For the Gospel came to us just as to them , but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, ‘As I swore in my wrath, "They shall not enter my rest,"’ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.’ And again in this passage he said, ‘They shall not enter my rest.’ Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the Gospel failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, ‘Today,’ saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted ‘Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden
your hearts.’ For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a
Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever HAS ENTERED GOD'S REST has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience." Hebrews 4:1-11

Again, since the reality has come:
"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ ." Colossians 2:16-17

As Christ himself taught:
"And he said to them, ‘The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son
of man is lord even of the sabbath.’" Mark 2:27-28

Why would anyone want to return to
the copy or shadow of things?

if u say that we can keep the spirit of d sabbath without d letter, then explain how we can keep the spirit of d commandment forbidding adultery and nt d letter

OLAADEGBU: Can you tell me where the 4th commandment says that Christians are to worship on the Sabbath?

Saturday comes from the Latin for "Saturn's day" which is a pagan day of worship of the planet Saturn. Did God tell you that your salvation depends on your keeping of a certain day? If so can you show us where He said so?

If God wanted Christians to keep the Sabbath day then He would have ceased on the opportunity to tell the Apostles when they gathered specifically to discuss the relationship of Christians to the decalogue (Acts 15:5-11, 24-29). All He had to do to save millions from the damnation of hell was to say "Remember to keep the Sabbath holy" and then millions of us would have kept it till date. Instead, the only commands the apostles were given was to "abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication."

If you don't agree with my submission, then kindly give us at least one command in the NT for Christians to keep the Sabbath holy?

show me a text in the NT where it says that you should nt call d name of God in vain

They are in d grave waiting for the 2nd coming and ressurection of saints for their reward

I see people everyday wear clothes diff from the ones mentioned above

moppie123: In other words I think u are telling us to walk around naked.... U just called all the clothes there is out there

Since the clothes you wear have to be decided by you,then the kind of cloth u wear will show the kind of heart u have.It is the abundance of the heart that produces our words,actions and decisions.A christian glorifies God in all he/she does[quote author.God created an angel but he turned himself to satan,does that justify you worshipping the devil?=vickyO]Highlyo is back again...


Please don't turn Christ's death to a laughing stock.
People have laughed at it enough, we don't need christians portraying it in a bad light.


My cloth will not go to heaven with me, my spirit is the one going.

Just dress decently.

And all those animals you named, who created them?
God or the devil?[/quote]

The fact that an unbeliever owns a publishing house where bibles are printed does nt mean u glorify the owner since the bible was nt written by or about him.Christians cannot sever connection with unbelievers but they can avoid being influenced by their unbelieving practices

paulcr7: An unbeliever is someone who does nt believe in what you believe.To a Buddhist,a Christian is an unbeliever while to a Christian,a Buddhist is an unbeliever

An unbeliever is someone who does nt believe in what you believe.To a Buddhist,a Christian is an unbeliever while to a Christian,a Buddhist is an unbeliever

kolawaxxy: Op bro, how are you sure the machine that was used to print the pages of the bible you read is not owned by an "unbeliever" or an occultist? You see..? By reading that bible, you are glorifying the devil.




I so much hate hearing this. You believe in Buddah, I believe in Ogun. How then am I an unbeliever since I believe in Ogun?

I understand your efforts to make people glorify God even in what they wear.However,the fundamental issue is a true conversion of the heart.When the heart is converted,no one will tell you before you live to glorify Christ.

Whats the diff between the formats

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Slow browsing and slow performance while the internet is still connected

wolebaba: Sir,

Slow as in slow browsing or the computer performance.

My system is always very slow when i browse with a wired internet connection in the cafe.Pls what can I do

PPFA

Do i need to take anything(docs) with me to the induction hall as Ats prize winner

What are the qualitative diffs btw using a modem and a Nokia phone

How?

Are there other ways to browse with your Pc apart from buying a modem

Whats your source

paulcr7: Is this the calender proposed by senate?if yes,whats the source?

I am asking because i cant view the picture clearly from my phone

Is this the calender proposed by senate?if yes,whats the source?

1.OAU 2.60 3.portable,easier to read

I heard that through pc suite you can browse on your pc through the data on your phone.How true is this?if true,how can i get it?maybe a website