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DANIEL 2:23

“I thank You and praise You, O God of my fathers; You have given me wisdom and might, And have now made known to me what we asked of You, For You have made known to us the king’s demand.” [NKJV]



I give thanks and praise to You, God of my fathers, for You have given me wisdom and power. Now You have revealed to me what we asked You; You have revealed to us the king's dream.” [FBV]



Wise men both give God thanks and praise God. Any wise man who do not acknowledge, thank or praise God, is advancing into becoming fool and darkened. As it is written,

[Romans 1:21‭-‬22] — because even though they knew God, they did not praise Him or thank Him, but instead their thinking about God turned into complete foolishness, and darkness filled their empty minds. Even though they claimed to be wise, they became fools.

There's great wisdom + light in thanking, praising, acknowledging and expressing gratitude toward God, as the Giver of whatever gifts or grace you have. In the top Bible verse above, Daniel was applying that Wisdom, which increased the light and gracia in him. It was a combination of both "Thanks" and "Praise" to "You God" from "I me;" wherein "I me" began from testifying or acknowledging "You God" as the Giver in the past of the existing "Wisdom and Power (Might)" that was in "I me;" and then also testifying or acknowledging "You God" as also the Giver in the present of the present "Revelation, Unveiling of Secrets and Answer to the prayer/request" made by "I me and we."

He remembered to confess or mention the exact "Prayer Point" he/they requested, to praise God when He granted that "Point." Be specific, confess the exact thing you asked and the exact thing God did or granted in connection to what you asked. Solomon ask for wisdom, and God gave him even what he did not ask for, but it's important that God gave him exactly what he asked for. God knows what you have need of before you ask Him, but yet He may not preempt your asking for it first so that when He does it you may testify as Hannah testified in the naming of Samuel, saying, "I asked God for this Son - Samuel" (1 Samuel 1:20). God gave Hannah other sons, but she specifically asked for Samuel, and that testimony made lots of difference.

Imagine asking someone for something with specific size, shape, manufacturer, color, etc, but the person brought you similar thing that was even more better, more beautiful or more expensive, as substitute for the exact one you requested for. It's not all the time you will be happy with such, especially when the exact one you asked for is the only one that perfectly matches the purpose or utility you intended. Imagine Samson's father-in-law giving the wife of Samson to another man, saying that Samson should take her sister because her sister was a better substitute since she was more beautiful than Samson's choice. I don't want to even go to what Laban did to Jacob by packaging the sister of the woman he requested for in marriage. But I have seen where someone showed picture of two presidential candidates, and pointed out, saying, this particular President was whom we the people ordered or requested for, but the this other one was whom the electoral body packaged and gave to us fraudulently.

When they brought Blind Bartimaeus to the Lord Jesus Christ, He asked him, "What do you want Me to do for you?" And the blind man answered, "Lord, that I may receive my sight" (Mark 10:51). It may seem unnecessary for the Lord to have asked him, but the Lord was wise in letting him mention his own prayer point. He had been shouting, "Son of David, have mercy on me" without being precise or specific about what exactly He wanted the mercy to do for him. I tell you there are other blind or sick people who if given similar opportunity will ask for "Money, Alms, Donations for surgery, or like the 38 years man by the pool, ask for a healthy man to carry him into the pool, etc."

Like Daniel,

[Philippians 4:6] — "Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God."

But let's view this "Daniel's thanks and praise" for similar but more superior "Lord Jesus thanks and praise."

*1* According to Daniel:

"I give thanks and praise to You, God of my fathers, for You have given me wisdom and power. Now You have revealed to me what we asked You; You have revealed to us the king's dream.” [Daniel 2:23 FBV]

*2* According to the Lord Jesus Christ:

"At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hid these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them to babes." [Matthew 11:25]

Both Daniel and the Lord Jesus were doing similar things here, giving thanks and praise to God for revelation of secrets, which pertained to wisdom and the wise. However, here are three differences between how Daniel rendered thanksgiving/praises to God and how the Lord Jesus Christ did His own.

*A* Daniel was thanking Him as the "God of Daniel's fathers" but the Lord Jesus Christ was thanking Him as the "O Father" + "Lord of Heaven and Earth." Who do men say that I am? The Lord asked; and God Himself may be asking, "You, who do you say that I am." It was Simon that answered that question correctly and got Blessedness of being called "Peter." Many still fail in this, "Who do you say that I (God) Am?" When they are praying, praising or communing with God. Imagine Christians and churches still singing this foolish singing this foolish and stupid song about whom they say God is, singing, "Ancient of Days, as old as You are, as old as You are, You will never change."

Daniel was gifted with wisdom, but he was still calling Him, "God of my fathers" — Daniel needed to upgrade to calling Him my Father, our Father, O Father, Lord God of present Heaven and Earth, not God of the past or God of the old ones.

*B* Daniel was only "First Person Pronouns" and "Second Person Pronouns" conscious in his thanksgiving+praises. It was all about "I, me, us" (himself and group) and "You" (God). But the Lord Jesus Christ was "First Person Pronouns" "Second Person Pronouns" and "Third Person Pronouns" conscious in his thanksgiving. For there were "I" (Himself), "You" (O Father), and the third parties (Babes or others). So the Lord Jesus Christ was not just thanking God for revelations of God to "Me, I or us" but basically thanking God for revelations of God to "Others who were Babes, Humble, Peasants and not significant in the World."

*C* Daniel was only thanking God for revealing the secrets. But the Lord Jesus Christ was thanking God for both hiding the secrets from many great people and also for revealing the secrets to some other group of people who were like babes or children. Daniel did not mention the fact that God hid the secrets from other wise men, but the Lord Jesus Christ knew that detail is important. There are values increase in these revelations of God based on the fact that they are hidden to many, but revealed to few selected or elected. Not every eye must see it, not every ear should hear and understand it. Hide them from those ones, but reveal them to these ones. Keeping them secrets or confidential is also appreciated with revealing them to those worthy to know.

[1 Corinthians 2:9‭-‬10‭, ‬12‭, ‬14‭-‬15 FBV] — But as Scripture says, “No one has ever seen, and no one has ever heard, and no one has ever imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” But God has revealed this to us through the Spirit, because the Spirit delves into the depths of God. For we have received the Spirit from God, not the spirit of this world, so that we could understand what God so generously gave us. Of course people who are not spiritual don't accept what comes from God's Spirit. It's just foolish nonsense to them, and they can't understand it, because what is spiritual has to be properly examined. People who are spiritual investigate everything, but are not placed under investigation themselves.

Toluwanise247:
More grace Which book of the bible is Adam+even 26:6

It's "The First Book of Adam and Eve" but not included in the Bible or not among the Cannons. Among the Apocryphal Books of the Bible.

[1 Adam+Eve 26:4] — "And we are forced to enter this cave which is like a prison, wherein darkness covers us, so that we are parted from each other; and thou canst not see me, neither can I see thee."

The need and urge to enter the cave became felt as a force with no other option on them but to enter the cave though the cave was like prison of darkness covering them, like partitioning of separation between them, which makes mystifying or estranging each one of them from another within the cave. According to this their confession or compliant, Adam and Eve were also under "Yoke of Bondage" bound to return back to the cave that was as prison to them, darkness around them, and blindfolding their eyes from even seeing each other. They don't like their present condition or circumstances, and yet they don't have option than to dwell or to keep returning to that stagnation, darkness, poverty, prison as it were, and isolation.

Yoke of Bondage may some times appear to allow its slaves free movements but with no option of escaping it, which brings them back to where they were. Movements are not restricted in them but options and opportunities are restricted or unavailable in them; and they appear to be making movements or activities, but they are not making progress neither are they advancing nor better than they were before. Such is when returning to the same state or condition where they left off usually reappear as their best option or only option, after all said and done. That's a vanity cycle or meaningless rotation.


[1 Adam+Eve 26:5] — When Adam had said these words, they wept and spread their hands before God; for they were full of sorrow.

When Adam spoke those words to Eve, both of them busted into prayers of tears with their hands spread before God; for they converted their sorrow mood into prayer mood. The things Adam had said to Eve was not killing prayer urge in both the speaker and the hearer, but was rather boosting the prayer urge in both the speaker and the hearer.

In contrast, some people's speeches and talks kill the urge to pray fervently before God in those who paid attention to such speeches or talks. And some people are overwhelmed with sorrow to the point they cannot even pray, like the disciples who were sleeping for sorrow instead of praying.

[Luke 22:45-46] — "And when He rose up from prayer, and was come to His disciples, He found them sleeping for sorrow, And said to them, Why are you sleeping? Rise and pray, lest you enter into temptation."

No speeches, no talks, no tongues and no sorrow, took away the crying out of Adam and Eve to God. If they were babies, it will be said those two babies know how to cry out to get their parent's attention. Perhaps Abel got more from them in this area, which was the reason neither death, sorrow nor distance, could shut the speaking voice of Abel from reaching before God. Sorrows or Speeches could not Silent their Supplications.


[1 Adam+Eve 26:6] — And they entreated God to bring the sun to them, to shine on them, so that darkness return not upon them, and they come not again under this covering of rock. And they wished to die rather than see the darkness.

Before Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and God granted audience to that voice of man above the ordinance of God (Joshua 10:12-14), Adam and Eve were the first men to pray the Lord God to cause the Sun to stand still over them forever.

Content of the Prayer Points made by Adam and Eve in the Verse above

*1* They were requesting God to return the Sun and make it permanently still or stationed so that there will never be sunset (evening) or darkness (night) fall on them. So they loved morning and noon, but hated or rejected evening and night fall.

*2* They preferred Death over Darkness: they would rather have death than have the shadow of death.

Those were fervent Prayers, but also wrong Prayer Points.

[Ecclesiastes 11:7-8] — "Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun: But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that comes is vanity."

Praying aloud does not always mean praying aright. Some people have the voice and energy for prayers, but lack the wisdom and knowledge of making wise requests or petitioning, as Adam and Eve were in this verse above. Such people pray very hard, but pray wrongly because their prayers are not according to the Will of God nor ordered in Wisdom that God would respect.

So lack of knowledge is worse than lack of prayer.

However, even a fervent prayer that's prayed wrongly or with lack of knowledge still has benefits even when they are not to be granted by God. God would not grant these foolish prayer points Adam and Eve were making above, but God will grant them some benefits for even praying them. The night of the Lord's agony in Gethsemane, the Lord Jesus Christ was praying for Cup to pass without drinking it, which was not the Will of God; but because He was praying fervently to the points His sweat was like drops of blood, God granted Him some other benefits such as Angels came to strengthen Him, fears were removed from Him, His Heart was made ready to face whatever was coming, and the journey was made much easier for Him, etc.

To avoid praying wrongly, don't always assume your desires are your solutions: Your desires are usually thinking about the present or temporary, but the best solutions by the Will of God for you are thinking about the future and the eternal.

Kobojunkie:
1. The foundation of what world is what you first need to understand before moving forward in this.

2. Reading clips from here and there will not deepen the confusion here.

Foundation of this world means before the world began in the beginning. Before man was made. God already predestined all things pertaining Salvation and Eternal Life for mankind. Nothing happened by surprise or shock to God; but all things pertaining to human life and salvation were already foreseen and preordained. Before Adam was created and before he sinned, God already planned for salvation through Christ because God knew they would eventually fall. The Seed of the woman was already the agenda. God knows the end from the beginning. Just know that God is very Wise and Meticulous.

Eyes have not seen, nor ears heard the things God made and prepared from the foundation of the world. He's the God of mysteries. You must believe.

Kobojunkie:
1. God foreseeing things is one one thing. Asserting that man required deliverance from sin from even his creation is another thing entirely.

2. From that what I read is "Everyone living on earth would worship the beast. These are all the people since the beginning of the world whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life. The Lamb is the one who was killed."

Good, the Book of Life had been since the foundation of the world, and not every man that lived on earth was written in the Book of life from the foundation of the world. There are those planned to save in the Book of life, and those who were not.

Also, read these Bible references in connection with God's Mystery of Salvation already working since the foundation of the world:

Revelation 13:8
Revelation 17:8
Ephesians 1:4-5
Matthew 25:34
Acts 15:18

Kobojunkie:
So, what you are saying here is that God and Jesus Christ had it all entirely wrong from even the beginning? Even though God cleared all He created as good from the start, His plan was flawed from even its beginning? Oh, well!

No, rather I was implying God foresaw all things before they happened, and He already planned their solutions, answers, salvation, restoration and corrections, even before they came into being.

Have you heard that the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world? Before the world began, God already provided the Salvation in Jesus Christ the Lamb of God.

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[1 Adam+Eve 26:1] — Then Adam took Eve, and they began to return to the Cave of Treasures where they dwelt. But when they neared it and saw it from afar, heavy sorrow fell upon Adam and Eve when they looked at it.

Adam took Eve with an excitement of returning home to the Cave of Treasures after being in the presence of God. But when they neared it and saw it from afar, heavy sorrow fell upon them just by looking at the same place they were excited to return to after anointed service in the presence of God. It was like the sorrowful mood, they left before their being in the joy of Fellowship with God, was waiting for them to return to that house to reunite with them. The feeling in the presence of God (by the West Gate of the Garden) was not the same nor extended to the atmosphere and sighting of their residence.

Rephrase

As Adam and Eve approached the Cave of Treasures, they couldn't help but feel a sense of heavy sorrow. What was once a place they were eager to return to after their time in the presence of God now seemed hauntingly different. The joy and fulfillment they experienced in the fellowship with God by the West Gate of the Garden did not extend to the atmosphere and sight of their home. It was as if a somber and melancholic energy had enveloped the place, waiting for their return.

The Cave of Treasures, once a sanctuary and a refuge, now symbolized their separation from God's presence and the perfection they had once known. The sight of their residence, once a source of comfort and security, now served as a painful reminder of the consequence of their actions. The distance between the exhilaration of being in the presence of God and the sorrow they felt upon returning home was stark and disheartening.


[1 Adam+Eve 26:2] — Then Adam said to Eve, "When we were on the mountain we were comforted by the Word of God that conversed with us; and the light that came from the east, shone over us.

What Adam began saying to Eve to contrast the melancholy of the Cave to them, was not even the memories of their being in the Garden, but the memories of their being in the Mountain close to the Garden. It was like their being in the outer fringes, outer darkness or outside neighborhood of the garden, was even more glorious, brilliant and comfortable, than returning back to the far isolated hood where the Cave of Treasures dwelt in loneliness.

According to Adam's word to Eve here, when they were on the mountain, the Word of God comforted them there and the Light that extended from East of the Mountain or West Gate of the Garden could still reach them there and shone over them.

Rephrase

Adam expressed to Eve that when they were on the mountain, they were still within reach of the comforting presence of God's Word. The Light, which radiated from the East of the Mountain or the West Gate of the Garden, continued to illuminate their surroundings and provide them with warmth and reassurance. This suggests that their time on the mountain was filled with a sense of divine guidance and protection, allowing them to experience a level of comfort and brilliance even though they were not yet in the Garden itself.


[1 Adam+Eve 26:3] — "But now the Word of God is hidden from us; and the light that shone over us is so changed as to disappear, and let darkness and sorrow come upon us.

Here was Adam lamenting and highlighting that the Word of God is now hidden from them. The once radiant light that enveloped them has transformed, fading away and leaving them in darkness and despair. This indicates a profound loss and a sense of separation from the divine presence they once experienced. Here Adam expresses a deep sorrow over the absence of the comforting Word and the dimming of the light that once illuminated their lives on the mountain.

If you are having similar feeling like Adam and Eve here, you are having a spiritual blackout including no communication, no connection and no illumination, with Holy Spirit or God within your spirit or heart. It could also be like loosing your vision or experiencing dimness and emptiness within, because the void where the Communication and Light of God usually fill seems empty and God seemed hidden or absent. Do not cry, Father, Father, why have You forsaken me; for He's with you even when all those signs of His presence are temporarily not with you.

Rephrase

It is natural to feel a spiritual blackout or a sense of disconnection from God at times. In those moments, it may feel like communication, connection, and illumination from the Holy Spirit are absent. This can lead to a feeling of emptiness and darkness within. However, it is important to remember that even when we cannot perceive God's presence, He is still with us.

During such times, it can be helpful to hold onto faith and trust that God has not abandoned us. Just as Adam and Eve lamented their separation from God, it is okay to express our feelings of longing and sorrow. But alongside that, we can also seek guidance and solace from scriptures, prayer, and support from our faith community.

Remember that spiritual dryness or a sense of distance is not permanent. It is a part of the ebb and flow of our spiritual journey. Trust that God's love and light will shine again, and even in the midst of apparent darkness, have faith that His presence is still with us.

duro4chang:
Enock was not a christian but an old testament saint.

There's "One Lord," "One Faith (Christian Faith)" and "One Baptism;" One God and Father of all, who is above, through all and in all of us in the faith. [Ephesians 4]

The Lord and the Faith in Enoch are the same and one with the Lord and Faith in true Christianity. Enoch's Faith is example for Christians to please God by the same faith by which Enoch pleased God. As it is written,

[Hebrews 11:5-6] — "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

duro4chang:
But christianity has nothing to do with the book of Enoch.

The Spirit of Christ in a man, moving the man, makes the man a Christian. Basically, all the true prophets of God that wrote about Christ in the old testament had the Spirit of Christ in them. As it is written,

[1 Peter 1:10-12] — "Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who foretold the grace to come to you, searched and investigated carefully, trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things."

Enoch too spoke about the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ with His Saints, saying,

[Jude 1:14-15] — "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about them: “Behold, the Lord is coming with myriads of His holy ones to execute judgment on everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of every ungodly act of wickedness and every harsh word spoken against Him by ungodly sinners.”"

duro4chang:
But christianity has nothing to do with the book of Enoch.

Enoch was a Christian, and the Books of Enoch are treasures for Christian. All those who walked with God were Christians.

I understand most Christian Denominations do not receive the Books of Enoch, and they were not canonized with the other Books of the Bible. But the Bible itself made references or quoted from the Book of Enoch, when Christian apostles like Peter and Jude wrote their books in the New Testament.

duro4chang:
Then who are the sinners?

In Christianity, sinners are individuals who have violated God's commandments and fallen short of His perfect standard. We teach that sin disrupts the relationship between God and humanity and hinders their ability to live in accordance with God's will. However, we also teach in the redemption and forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ, who is the savior who died on the cross to take away the sins of the world.

[1 Enoch 22:11] — And in the same way likewise are sinners separated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgment not overtaking them in their lifetime.

Among the first things a dead sinner's soul begin to notice in that world is that there are "Separations" or "Categorizations" made, not just between the righteous and the sinners, but also a categorization among the sinners. Though not from this Enoch Book, I found the sinners who were once rulers, politicians or higher grade of persons while on earth, were usually grouped separately from those who were middle or lower class individuals during their stay on earth. So also were renown celebrities, stars, pastors/prophets who backslided or had relationship with the devils, etc, grouped together in separate groups. Etc.

In this Enoch verse, it is mentioned that sinners, just like righteous individuals, are separated after they get buried in the earth when they die. Many, sinners do not face immediate judgment during their lifetime. But however those sinners may seem to have escaped consequences for their actions while they were alive, they are eventually being held accountable after death for those their sins and the fruits that sprang from their actions and inventions on earth. Their categorization after death is classification of the nature of the judgment awaiting them and their kinds under same group.


[1 Enoch 22:12] — Here their souls are separated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgment, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, whose souls are punished and bound there for ever.

In this Enoch verse above, it describes that when sinners die, their souls are separated. These souls undergo significant suffering until the time of the great judgment, while they will receive punishment, castigation, and torment. The souls of those who "eternally execrate" are separated from the righteous and placed in a place of torment or punishment. The exact nature of this separation and the place of their confinement may vary in different interpretations of the text. However, the verse suggests a separation from the righteous and a distinct location or state where these souls are held.

The reference to those who "eternally execrate" suggests that these individuals are constantly filled with hatred and curse others. Their souls are punished and bound in this state forever, indicating a belief in eternal punishment for those who persist in wickedness even after death.

This verse highlights the concept of divine judgment and the consequences that await those who engage in evil actions. It reinforces the idea of accountability for one's deeds and the inherent justice in the God's creation systems.


[1 Enoch 22:13] — And thus has it been from the beginning of the world. Thus has there existed a separation between the souls of those who utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners.

When Lazarus and the rich man died, they were separated in hell; and there was Lazarus in Abraham's Bosom while the rich man was in a separated place where his soul was being tormented and tortured. However, the separation between the rich man and Lazarus or Abraham was not by any enmity between them, but by a gulf or chasm fixed between them. So they were still in talking terms as family or friends, so that the rich man could make request from the righteous Abraham and Lazarus, calling Abraham "father" and Abraham calling the damned sinner in hell, "son." This meant there was peace and friendly communication between them, and not hostility, not vengeance, not acrimony, not bitterness, not accusations or not suing against the other, between the rich man in hell fire and Lazarus with Abraham.

But in the case of Cain and Abel, or in other similar cases, the relationship between the two or more dead people in that world is cut off forever by hatred, vengeance, acrimony, bitterness, warring against the other, etc, so that even if both parties find themselves in the other realms or in hell, one would still be agrieved and turned against the other for what the other did or took from one party while on earth.

There was no forgiveness or reconciliation, and one would never rest content against the other for what they deed or took unjustly from them in the past on earth.

Those who were robbed, offended, oppressed, cheated, unrighteously on earth, are seeking for justice or judgment when they died; and the justice or judgment for them is the vengeance they desire to the destruction of those who robbed them, destroyed them, wasted them, oppressed them, cheated them, betrayed them, backstabbed them, offended them, etc. Recall how Jonah felt angry that God spared Nineveh that was a very wicked city, and Jonah wished God would kill him since God refused to kill or destroy his enemies who were wicked and evil to him. God even asked Jonah if he had the right or righteousness to be angry at God sparing them. But, Jonah went somewhere to wait or watch for their destruction.

In this Enoch Verse above, there's separation between "The souls of those who utter Complaints or Lamentations" and "The souls of those who watch for their destruction" to destroy or slaughter them in the day of sinners or the day of vengeance.

[1 Enoch 22:14] — A receptacle of this sort has been formed for the souls of unrighteous men, and of sinners; of those who have completed crime, and associated with the impious, whom they resemble. Their souls shall not be annihilated in the day of judgment, neither shall they arise from this place. Then I blessed God,

Similar Collectors with separators for the sinners and the unrighteous were formed too. There's a class of sinners regarded as those who have completed iniquity or sin, and have reached the peak where they are like Satan or like the man of sin himself with 666. Those ones will never rise even in the day of judgment and yet their souls are never killed, in everlasting destruction and fire that shall never quench.

As soon as Enoch heard these revelations, then Enoch blessed God. There was a time I wished there was nothing like hell fire or judgment existing to terrorize or torment people. But now I thank God and bless God because He prepared such places and destructions for Satan, his angels and the sinners. Even the second death and hell fire exist as part of the goodness and mercy of God against evil and wickedness.

In this verse from the Book of Enoch, it mentions the existence of a receptacle specifically created for the souls of unrighteous and sinful individuals. These are people who have committed heinous crimes and have associated themselves with the impious, resembling them in their actions and beliefs.

The verse states that these souls will not be annihilated or destroyed on the day of judgment. It suggests that they will not be able to rise from this place, possibly indicating that they will be confined to or trapped in this receptacle for eternity.

Overall, this verse highlights the idea that there are consequences for wicked actions and that the judgment day will not bring redemption or salvation for those who have chosen a path of unrighteousness and sin.


[1 Enoch 22:15] — And said, Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of glory and of righteousness, who reigns over all for ever and for ever.

Enoch is praising and blessing the Lord, acknowledging Him as the Lord of glory and righteousness who reigns eternally over all things.

In this verse, Enoch refers to the Lord as the Lord of glory and of righteousness.

The term "glory" typically represents divine splendor, majesty, and greatness. By calling God the Lord of glory, Enoch acknowledges God as the ultimate source of glory, honor and magnificence. It highlights God's transcendent and awe-inspiring nature.

Additionally, Enoch describes the Lord as the Lord of righteousness. This implies that God embodies perfect moral and ethical principles. He is the source of justice and righteousness, governing the world with fairness and righteousness.

By combining these descriptors, Enoch attributes both divine splendor and moral perfection to the Lord, recognizing God's ultimate authority and goodness. It emphasizes that God's glory and righteousness are inseparable and that God's reign is characterized by both majesty and ethical perfection.

Enoch also describes the Lord as the one who reigns over all forever and ever. This shows the acknowledgment of God's eternal sovereignty and control over all things. The phrase emphasizes God's power and authority as the ruler of the universe.

Overall, this verse highlights the reverence and praise offered to God as the Lord of glory, righteousness, and eternal kingship in the Book of Enoch.

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Depriest2020:
Please is there a place one can get the book of Enoch?

Google Play Store,
Or
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[1 Enoch 22:6] — Then I inquired of Raphael, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose spirit is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven, and accuses?

In this Enoch verse, Enoch encounters a spirit whose voice reaches heaven and accuses others. This spirit caught Enoch's attention and piqued his curiosity. Enoch sought clarification from the angel Raphael regarding the identity and nature of this spirit.

The power of the spirit's voice lies in its ability to reach heaven. This suggests that the spirit's accusations are significant and have a profound impact. Accusing others implies that the spirit is acting as a prosecutor or bringing charges against individuals, possibly in a spiritual or divine context.

The spirit's voice had far reaching distance, and nothing could shut or prevent the voice of that spirit from reaching heaven, even though the voice was speaking accusations or suing against someone. Remember how people tried to shut down the voice of blind Bartimaeus, but his voice couldn't be shut by them until the Lord stood still and asked for him. Abel's voice was even stronger than death or distance: though he was dead, yet his voice cried out reaching God, and though he was in one of the collector places in hell yet his voice reaches heaven when Enoch encountered his voice.

Satan, as the accuser of the Brethren had to be in heaven first before he accuses them day and night. But Abel did not have to be in heaven, for anywhere he was his voice reaches heaven and accused a brother as at the time of Enoch's encounter.

Enoch's inquiry to Raphael demonstrates his desire to understand the nature and purpose of this spirit. As an angel, Raphael would possess greater knowledge and insight into the spiritual realm, making him a suitable source of information for Enoch's inquiry.


[1 Enoch 22:7] — He answered, saying, This is the spirit of Abel, who was slain by Cain his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth;

The response from the angel Raphael to Enoch's inquiry reveals that the spirit with the powerful voice that reaches heaven is none other than the spirit of Abel. Abel, as mentioned in the Bible (Genesis 4:1-16), was indeed slain by his brother Cain.

According to Raphael, Abel's spirit continues to accuse his brother Cain for the murder committed against him. This accusation implies that Abel's spirit seeks justice and retribution for the wrong done to him. The persistence of Abel's accusation over the span of several centuries demonstrates the gravity and significance of the offense committed by Cain.

Almost a thousand years later between when Cain killed Abel and when Enoch was born and raised to see that encounter, the same Abel was still fervently accusing and crying against the man who killed him on earth. And though God had punished Cain, and driven him away from the presence of God forever into becoming a vagabond, and the earth cursed Cain to not yield good harvest to him again, to the degree that Cain pleaded his punishment was too much, yet Abel was not avenged or satisfied and continued accusing even after Cain was dead; for Abel's voice would not stop accusing until every last descendant of Cain was completely eliminated from the face of the earth.

Now here is understanding: "Be careful not to offend a Righteous Man or Innocent Man." It's better to offend a sinner, an unrighteous man or guilty man, than to offend a Righteous, Blameless or Innocent Man. Abel was a righteous, holy, blameless or Innocent Man, whom Cain killed or murdered. So even God's forgiveness is helpless for Cain, unless Abel forgives.

The Lord told us a parable of a king that forgave the debts of his servant, but the servant refused to forgive the debt of another fellow servant; and when the king heard he recalled the debt of the unforgiving servant and cancelled the forgiveness because the servant too was unforgiving. Notice the king not deliver the second servant from the unforgiving servant, but rather dealt with the unforgiving servant as he dealt with his fellow.

That was a case when the unforgiving servant was also a sinner, but judging another sinner. Supposing the unforgiving servant was righteous and the king had nothing against him, but he had something against the other servant: That other servant would have been in terrible danger and mercy of the vengeful but blameless servant. This implying that God could use the sin of Mr. A against God to force Mr. A to forgive Mr. B that sinned against Mr. A, or else God will not forgive Mr. A. This is not blackmail but lobbying. Example,
[Job 42:10] — "And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before."

However, supposing Mr. A is entirely righteous and blameless before God, then God cannot intimidate Mr. A into forgiving Mr. B. God can only plead for Mr. A to have patience or bear longer with Mr. B for God's sake, but God cannot superimpose forgiveness on Mr. B by God's Supreme Authority or Power. The only escape route is by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, which remits and forgives sins because He Himself would be sacrificed instead of the sinner.

[Revelation 6:9-11] — "And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed."

[Luke 18:5-8] — "Yet because this widow troubles me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust Judge said. And shall not God avenge His own elect, which cry day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall He find faith on the earth?"

[1 Enoch 22:8] — Until his seed perish from the seed of the human race.

Abel's voice accused Cain and his descendants until every one of them perished. Current there's no descendant of Cain that survived the flood of Noah. As soon as they were completely destroyed from human race, then Abel's blood was avenged. Therefore, immediately after the flood, God spoke to Noah saying,

[Genesis 9:5-6] — "And surely I will require the life of any man or beast by whose hand your lifeblood is shed. I will demand an accounting from anyone who takes the life of his fellow man: Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man his blood will be shed; for in His own image God has made mankind."

The message being conveyed is that one should not harm or damage the lives of others, thinking that they and their family will escape punishment or find peace. The example of Cain serves as a warning, as everything he built and possessed was ultimately destroyed due to the generational curse and the vengeance crying out against him. Therefore, the admonition is not to be foolish and believe that one can harm others without facing the consequences. It is a lesson in understanding the consequences of one's actions and the importance of respecting the lives and well-being of others.

[1 Enoch 22:9] — At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgment, saying, Why is one separated from another? He answered, Three separations have been made between the spirits of the dead, and thus have the spirits of the righteous been separated.

Raphael, the archangel, explained to Enoch that three separations or classification of the saints or righteous spirits existed there. This was in response to the isolation of Abel's group from the rest of the righteous spirits of dead men or women.

You may understand that the righteous Martyrs or those righteous men who were killed by men on earth, those crying for vengeance, are not group together with those righteous men who died naturally.

According to the Enoch Verse above, there were three separations or classifications of the spirits of the righteous or saints who died before the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This was in response to the separation or isolation of Abel's group from the rest of the righteous spirits who had passed away.

The term "Abraham's Bosom" is often used to refer to the place where the righteous spirits resided before the resurrection of Jesus. However, this passage suggests that there were multiple places or classifications for the righteous spirits. It implies that the righteous martyrs or those who were killed by others on earth were not grouped together with those who died naturally.

This understanding highlights the idea that different classifications of righteous spirits existed based on various criteria or circumstances surrounding their deaths. The passage from the Book of Enoch suggests that these separations were made by the archangel Raphael to ensure that the spirits of the righteous were properly categorized and separated in the afterlife.

Overall, this passage provides insight into the belief that the spirits of the righteous were not universally grouped together, but rather separated based on different factors such as the cause of their death.


[1 Enoch 22:10] — Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it.

The separation between them was made by Chasm or Gulf on one side, made by water mass on the other side, and made by Light above it.

*1* The chasm or gulf indicates a physical barrier or division separating the spirits of the righteous. It suggests a boundary or gap that separates different groups or categories of spirits.

*2* The water mass represents another division or separation. It could imply that the spirits were categorized based on their relationship with water or perhaps their connection to certain spiritual qualities associated with water.

*3* The light above it refers to a spiritual or divine illumination that distinguishes and separates the spirits. It could symbolize the presence of God or a higher spiritual realm where the righteous spirits reside.

Overall, this passage suggests that the separation or classification of the righteous spirits in the afterlife was marked by physical and spiritual distinctions, represented by the chasm, water, and light. Each of these elements played a role in dividing and categorizing the spirits in their respective groups.

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1 ENOCH 22 - {Ethiopic Enoch}

After Death, Where Souls or Spirits of Men Dwell


[Chapter Twenty-Two]

1. From thence I proceeded to another spot, where I saw on the west a great and lofty mountain, a strong rock, and four delightful places.

2. Internally it was deep, capacious, and very smooth; as smooth as if it had been rolled over: it was both deep and dark to behold.

3. Then Raphael, one of the holy angels who were with me, answered and said, These are the delightful places where the spirits, the souls of the dead, will be collected; for them were they formed; and here will be collected all the souls of the sons of men.

4. These places, in which they dwell, shall they occupy until the day of judgment, and until their appointed period.

5. Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgment. And I saw the spirits of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached to heaven, while they were accusing.

6. Then I inquired of Raphael, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose spirit is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven, and accuses?

7. He answered, saying, This is the spirit of Abel, who was slain by Cain his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth;

8. Until his seed perish from the seed of the human race.

9. At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgment, saying, Why is one separated from another? He answered, Three separations have been made between the spirits of the dead, and thus have the spirits of the righteous been separated.

10. Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it.

11. And in the same way likewise are sinners separated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgment not overtaking them in their lifetime.

12. Here their souls are separated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgment, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, whose souls are punished and bound there for ever.

13. And thus has it been from the beginning of the world. Thus has there existed a separation between the souls of those who utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners.

14. A receptacle of this sort has been formed for the souls of unrighteous men, and of sinners; of those who have completed crime, and associated with the impious, whom they resemble. Their souls shall not be annihilated in the day of judgment, neither shall they arise from this place. Then I blessed God,

15. And said, Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of glory and of righteousness, who reigns over all for ever and for ever.




[1 Enoch 22:1] — From thence I proceeded to another spot, where I saw on the west a great and lofty mountain, a strong rock, and four delightful places.

Meaning Enoch moved away from the spot where he saw the Bottomless Pits, the Formless Hell or Tartarus, to travel far to another spot in the west before he saw these Four (4) Places within the Great, Lofty and Strong Mountain. Though that mountain was great and lofty, a strong rock, and there were four places with that great Mountain, it was only when Enoch journeyed or advanced to the spot in the West side that he could see both the great Mountain and the Places.

Generally, Places and Things exist in the spiritual realms, but one may have to travel or change locations to be able to see those things. Where you have been in that vast universe determine what you have seen and experienced, and can testify of its reality.


[1 Enoch 22:2] — Internally it was deep, capacious, and very smooth; as smooth as if it had been rolled over: it was both deep and dark to behold.

Describing the rooms inside it: Deep, Dark, Smooth and Spacious. Though Enoch stood at that spot from whence he beheld these, something in him went into it to know it was very deep, dark, very smooth and spacious, within.


[1 Enoch 22:3] — Then Raphael, one of the holy angels who were with me, answered and said, These are the delightful places where the spirits, the souls of the dead, will be collected; for them were they formed; and here will be collected all the souls of the sons of men.

The Holy Angel named Raphael, who was one of the conducting Archangels to Enoch, was the one who related those places or rooms as the "Reservoirs" or "Collectors" where the spirits and souls of the dead men and women are gathered. When people die on earth, usually their bodies are buried or not, but their souls and spirits do not move around like ghosts or roaming around like evil spirits/demons; rather the souls or spirits of the dead men or women are confined within one of those four places until the day appointed to them comes. Enoch did not die like other men, and so Enoch was never confined within any of those four places.


[1 Enoch 22:4] — These places, in which they dwell, shall they occupy until the day of judgment, and until their appointed period.

The confinement of the souls and spirits of the dead men, women and children, within those four places lasted to either of these two dates or periods:

*1* The Day of Judgment: — This is the appointed time to unrighteous men after death, if those dead men or souls were sinners or unrighteous without salvation.

*2* Their Appointed Periods: — These were the appointed times to righteous men after death, if those dead men or spirits are righteous, saints or saved by faith in the Son of God, Jesus.


[1 Enoch 22:5]
Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgment. And I saw the spirits of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached to heaven, while they were accusing.

Unlike the souls of the unrighteous or sinners that must have their appointed day till the Day of Judgment, which is the last day; the spirits of the righteous or saints would not remain within those confinement or places till the Day of Judgment, because their own appointed periods were till the Lord (Jesus Christ) came to save or deliver them from there by the Resurrection from the Dead. They have appointment with the Savior, not with the Judge.

** Men like "Enoch and Elijah" never died literally, and so were never confined within any of those four places; for both their spirits and bodies were taken into heaven by translation.

** Men like "Moses and the Two Witnesses in Revelation 11" died but never buried by men, and they rose with their dead bodies to heaven without being confined within those four places.

** Many Dead Saints rose with their dead bodies during the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 27:52-53), including Adam and Eve.

** The rest of the Saints or Righteous, who did not rise from the dead with their dead bodies/bones, rose from the dead with the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ, while their own bodies are still remaining in their graves where they were buried until either the rapture or the First Resurrection at the beginning of the Millennium Reign.

For example, the spirit of David was raised together with the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, but the body (remains or bones) of David was still in the grave (Acts 2:29-34). Even so, the spirits of the righteous men after death are no longer confined within any of those four places, but are raised with or by the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven, while their own bodies are still in their graves on earth awaiting the physical resurrection, reuniting, quickening of their mortal bodies with immortality.

The spirits of Righteous men are made perfect on Mount Zion, not in any of the confinements anymore. As it is written,

[Hebrews 12:22-24 BLB] — "But you have come to Mount Zion, and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, and to the assembly, to the church of the firstborn having been enrolled in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous having been perfected, and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkling of blood, speaking better things than that of Abel."

Which brings in my focusing on Abel, who's blood spoke while he was being dead. You saw in the Enoch Verse above Voices led by Abel's Voice reached heaven, while accusing and suing for vengeance against those who murdered or killed them on earth.









The Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ was different and better than the Blood of Abel, though both of them were declared righteous by God and both of them were murdered by men. The reason the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ was better than the Blood of Abel was because the crucified or murdered Jesus Christ spoke better things or was asking/praying for better things as compensation or rewards than those things the Abel was asking/petitioning for. The blood of Abel was speaking cursing and vengeance against Cain and his entire generations or seeds, because Cain prevented him (Abel) from having his own generations or descendants by cutting him off before he bore any seed on earth. On the other hand, though the Lord Jesus Christ too was cut off before He bore any seed or descendant on earth, yet His Blood is used as Cup of Blessings in holy communion and used as Sprinkling in remission of sins and in Passover against death, because of what He speaks in His Blood.



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Kobojunkie:
In the first part of your response, you quoted the lie told by the Jews to assert what exactly?
That they, the Jews, were not in fact slaves to sin, as Jesus Christ had asserted that they indeed were?

2. Abegi! When God made man, the earth, birds, animals, land, etc., He certified them all Good by His quality control standard --- this was before Sin came into the picture---, so where and how did you find to add famine to God's standard of Good -ness?

Salvation or Deliverance began long before sin began. And long after sin and death is forever gone, salvation, deliverance and healings shall continue to be needed. That's why even in the new heaven and new earth, or in eternal life, there will still be the Tree of Life, and the leaves of that Tree of Life Will be used for Healing of the nations, when there's neither sin nor death.

There was tree of life in the Garden, because man needed that Tree of Life for immortality.

When everything God made was good, man still needed to be saved by God because man was naked and could not have survived that ground from where he was taken or saved from. And when God was to return the man back to the ground where he was taken, God new the man would not survive long there without getting clothed by God first with the coats of skins.

When God said the man will die the day he eats of the forbidden Tree, it does not mean God will kill the man, but means the man will be returned to the ground where God saved or took him from. That ground will be the thing to cause the man to die, or the man will slowly be returning to the dust of the same ground because the man was dust in the first place.

The nature of man by default meant he would die, even from the day God created them male and female; which was the reason God made the female or wife for him and blessed him to be fruitful and multiply. God did not make wives for angels because they do not die, but He made wives for mankind because they would die and so they needed to procreate like other animals.

So the need for salvation, deliverance, healings and preservation, existed long before sin and death entered. God made herbs or medicines because they would save man, and fruits/food too will save man.

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Techobeys:
This makes sense.

[s]But the idea you want to sell around it is false.[/s] We’re not saved by grace alone. That’s a false doctrine. “We’re saved by grace through faith is the right citation” grace is effected through faith by faith.

Grace is not wasted, grace is not available for the laziness. But for the diligent. It’s the grace that helps them do the will of God. Bc man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God.

In the case of Adam, he was never saved. He was put into position for salvation but he didn’t achieve it. He died despite the fact that salvation was available. He didn’t become the plan of God. He didn’t grow into the image of God and that’s why he sinned whereas those born of God cannot sin as God cannot sin.

Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.

This is why I said your faith alone idea that you want to sell is false. Bc those who think like that shall never be saved at the end. Grace is available to do will of God and salvation happens through that. Grace is not not to available for those who stay lazy while claiming that they’re already saved.

1. To reply your first paragraph:

Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.

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2. To reply your paragraph 2:

I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth.

Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, "See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it:

A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓

B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓

C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓

D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓

E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓

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*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted.

*** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace.

*** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?

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3. To reply your paragraph 3:

***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead.

***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation.

***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam).

***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God.

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Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.

Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved?

God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written,

[Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe."

Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument.

That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out.

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sonmvayina:
[s]Them you will NEVER know anything...[/s]

The letter killeth, do you know what it means?

Even God kills and yet gives life. The Letter kills but the spirit of the Letter that kills also gives life.

No one gets killed by reading the stories, histories and truths, in the Bible Genesis literally or physically. The "Letter that kills" is not the Letter of the book of Genesis, which is scriptures. Read and search the scriptures, in them you may find eternal life because they testify of "Me" (the Lord Jesus Christ).

Again, I earlier posited: Never stop looking at the scriptures both with physical eyes and spiritual eyes. Every Story in the Book of Genesis is both literal and significant. They were all real and factual as your breath in your nostrils.

sonmvayina:
Stop looking at the scriptures with your physical eyes..

They are not literal stories....

Never stop looking at the scriptures both with physical eyes and spiritual eyes. Every Story in the Book of Genesis is both literal and significant. They were all real and factual as your breath in your nostrils.

Techobeys:
How did you start something beautiful and destroy it with your false doctrine? Adam didn’t need to be saved bc he was never in bondage.

[John 8:33] — "They answered unto Him, “We are Abraham’s seed, and to no one ever have we been under bondage. How do You say, ‘You will become free’?”"

As soon as Adam became a living soul, he came alive but on a ground that had no plant or food because God had not caused Rain to fall, and so there was famine. Bringing Adam into the Garden was salvation or deliverance from the ground where he was taken from. It's like taking Israel into Egypt or Goshen to escape the famine during Joseph's era.

GENESIS 2:15

[AKJV]
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

[AMP]
So the Lord God took the man [He had made] and settled him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.


Please understand these:

The Lord God did not bring the man into the Garden just to enjoy and have fun, eat and rest or play inside the Garden. Rather He brought the man into the Garden basically to Work.

Purpose
To work, earned Adam entrance into paradise. Adam did not work for it but by grace was he saved or placed into the Garden, but to work. We are not saved by our works but by grace through faith, not of works; however we are saved to work (Good-Works)

[Ephesians 2:8-10] — "For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them when saved."

You don't have to work for you to be saved, but you are saved to work out your salvation or bear fruits. Many Christians are lacking in this aspect, and Adam failed in this first assignment of God to him and for which he was brought into the Garden to do.

Supposing I am a poor man looking at a very giant Castle of the rich ruler, with great feast and attractions going on inside there, but I am neither invited nor worthy to go through the gates inside. How do get into that Castle or Organization without trespassing? It's by simply getting hired to do menial but crucial works for them, e.g. Gardening Services, Cleaning Services, House Keeping, etc, even though it's like the lowest grade of work. Is that not the job Adam was employed to do, employed as mere Gardener, Housekeeper, Cleaner, etc for the great Garden of Eden?

Adam was not employed as Director or higher grade Officer into the Garden, but employed as either Gardener, Gatekeeper or Cleaner, as one of those lower grade of workers in a reputable organization or large household. Eve, the most beautiful Woman on earth married Adam, a man that was a mere Gardener or Garden Keeper, who was neither the owner of the garden nor was he one of the top staff there. Infact, Adam was under rule to not touch or eat something there according to He who employed him; and the penalty for breaking that rule will not just get Adam fired or sacked from there, but will even get Adam to die because of breaking that rule. And Adam agreed to abide by that terms and conditions to work in that Garden or Organization.

Who was that woman that saw the Lord Jesus Christ as a Gardener, and did not even bother to greet Him but even assumed He was the one that stole the Body of Jesus away from the Tomb or He knew where the Body was kept; but as soon as the supposed "Gardener" called her by name, she realized He was the Lord and called Him, "Rabboni?" She looked down at a Gardener.

My illustration is that, for me to get into that large Company, castle or Organization, I should rather seek for those humble work or services to be employed there, just to have access into there. Not seeking the higher grade jobs at first instance. Perhaps, when I am inside there as a mere gardener or cleaner, I could then reapply for upgrade or higher positions there at vacancies.

In the top Bible verse above, God took and brought the man into the Garden, not because He prepared a table for the man to eat and drink as a feast invitation but, because He was employing the man to do work for Him in His Garden. That is how the Kingdom of God is, as a God or a Man who is recruiting workers into His Garden, Paradise or Vineyard. As it is written,

[Matthew 20:1-2] — "For the kingdom of the heavens is like to a man, a master of a house, who went out in the morning to hire workmen for his vineyard. And having agreed with the workmen on a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard."

Did you see how those laborers or workmen gained access into that man's vineyard through getting hired to work there? That's part of how the Kingdom of Heaven operates in allowing people access. Your works matter, and your works should follow you when you enter, even when your properties would not follow you when you die. You would be amazed at how meticulous our God is, and very Wise in His dealings.

Make yourself relevant in the household of God, and make sure you are employed or offering services that God respects.

Do not see eternity in heaven/earth as just singing and praising God for eternity; for Eternal Life is eternal Rest full of Activities and Works called "Wonders." So there will still be works to do, or doing Wonders and Glorious Deeds for eternity. Ecclesiastes stated that whatever God does is eternal, and man can neither add nor subtract from what God has done and finished (Ecclesiastes 3:14). But to make men relevant in working with God, He chose men to work on whatever He had worked or done. God planted the Garden right? And yet God wanted man to dress and keep it. The Lord said it's finished right? And yet the Lord called men to build on His finished works. God completed the heavens and earth, with the hosts of them on the sixth day right? And yet He called men to replenish the earth and develop it. He made all the animals right? And yet brought them for Adam to name them. He planted the Vineyard as the Owner right? And yet sought workers to work on His Vineyard.

Later you will understand that God wants men to retouch all the works God created and made including retouching angels, stars, heavenly things, so that all things will come to the state where it will be said of them, "Both God and Men worked them together." Men are God's Coworkers. So bear in mind that your entering into heaven, into paradise etc, is to work and to walk with the Lord in His Household. It's an employment or "High Calling." Those who were faithful in handling their Master's Five Talents were given a higher calling of managing five or ten cities; and those faithful in working two talents were exalted to high calling of working over two cities. Basically, the joys they entered were promotions to working at higher levels over greater things.

The reason I said Adam failed in this first calling of God to man to work in paradise or Garden of God:

I have not seen any scripture that said Adam did or fulfilled those duties of dressing and keeping the Garden. The top Bible verse above only mentioned the Works as Purpose or Calling for Adam into the Garden, but did not mention anywhere else that Adam fulfilled or finished that course/assignment. But in the second assignment given to Adam in the Garden, pertaining to naming the animals, Adam finished that assignment and completed it.

Adam was to dress and keep the Garden, but Adam lost the Garden and obviously did not keep it. A Cherub (angel) and flaming sword was later reassigned or made to replace Adam in the calling of keeping the Garden after Adam was sacked/fired.

EZEKIEL 3:5


For you are not sent to a people of unfamiliar speech and of hard language, but to the house of Israel, [NKJV]


I am not sending you to a nation that speaks a difficult foreign language, but to the Israelites. [GNT]


**SENT ONLY TO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL**





The Voice of Ezekiel was not sent to us the non-Hebrew or non-Israelite in flesh, but the Book of Ezekiel was sent to them as part of the scriptures. One of the foreign languages or unfamiliar speeches and nations Ezekiel was not sent to speak to, was that of your own language, speech tongue and nation, if you are not an Israelite biologically. He verbal messages were sent to the house of Israel, but his scriptures were sent to all men in the world and generations far beyond him.




Even so, the Lord Jesus Christ was not sent to preach or minister to the Gentiles, but only to the house of Israel. As it is written,




[Matthew 15:24-26] — "Jesus responded, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." She came to him, bowed down, and said, "Lord, help me!" Jesus replied, "It's not right to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs.""




[Matthew 10:5-8] — "Jesus sent these twelve out with the following instructions: "Don't go among people who are not Jewish or into any Samaritan city. Instead, go to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel. As you go, spread this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' Cure the sick, bring the dead back to life, cleanse those with skin diseases, and force demons out of people. Give these things without charging, since you received them without paying."




However, His Cross, Death, Resurrection, Salvation, Calling, Gifts, Grace of God, and Holy Spirit of Promise, were for all men in the world for whoever believes and comes to the Lord Jesus Christ.




Remember Ezekiel and the Lord Jesus Christ both shared this same title in the scriptures, "Son of man." Both of them were sent to preach basically to the house of Israel, and not to people of another language or foreigners. This implied two things to their ministries:




*1* They must not use interpreters while speaking or preaching to the house of Israel, seeing it's to their own speech or language people they were sent. 




Have you ever listened to messages wherein the preacher will make one sentence and pause for the interpreter to translate for the people of different language, and then the preacher will make the next sentence, the interpreter will translate, and these continue until the message is over? Such is a case wherein the preacher or messenger was sent or got to be preaching to people of foreign language different from his own most fluent language, and he was not endowed with the gift of speaking in tongues of that foreign language by the power of the Spirit of God. Men of God like Joseph, Moses, Jeremiah, Daniel, Jonah, Paul, Philips, and John the Beloved, etc, were basically sent by God as Messengers to foreigners and foreign language nations; and those men of God learnt those foreign languages or used interpreters at some points to communicate.




Both Ezekiel and the Lord Jesus did not have to use foreign language in their earthly preachings, neither spoke by interpreters even when they spoke in parables,  except when He spoke in other tongues in communicating with Spirit-Beings or Prayers such as when the Lord Jesus was performing miracles of opening the deaf ears (Ephphatha), raising the dead girl of 12 years (Talitha Cumi), and (Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani).



*2* If foreigners or other nations outside Israel would hear the messages or receive the packages of Ezekiel or the Lord Jesus Christ, who was sent only to the house of Israel, those foreigners must be the ones coming to Ezekiel or to the Lord Jesus Christ, and not Ezekiel or the Lord Jesus going to those foreigners.




Wise men from the East and foreigners came to the Lord Jesus Christ, not Jesus Christ traveling to preach to foreigners or to hold crusade in other countries, apart from Galilee and Egypt where He fled as refugee but did not preach or began ministry there (though other Book of His infancy recorded the Lord Jesus Christ performed miracles in Egypt as a Child).




If the Lord Jesus Christ was a Pastor today among us, having such restriction about being sent only to the house of Israel, He would have been fully based in Israel and not seen traveling abroad in private Jets or getting invited to preach in other nations of the world. Or even when He travels abroad into foreign countries, like when He travelled with His Disciples out of Israel into Syria to rest from people's burdens in Israel, before that Canaanite woman saw and recognized Him in Syria where He came for vacation or for break from ministry, and she began pestering Him to heal her demon possessed daughter; there in Syria, the Lord Jesus Christ who came to rest in the foreign country but not to preach to foreigners, told the woman, He was only sent to the house of Israel, (not to everyone or foreigners); and it will not be good for Him to take the children's bread (Ministry meant for Israel) and cast the bread to the dogs (Ministering to the Foreigners, instead of Israel only). But the woman put up a strong argument about the crumbs that fell from the table, and the Lord Jesus Christ granted her that portion of virtue/anointing that cured or healed her demon possessed daughter, when she was not a daughter of Abraham or an Israelite.




I have come across a Muslim, follower of Muhammad, arguing with me that Jesus was only sent to the Jewish +Israel people but Muhammad was sent to the world. So he supposed that validated Muhammad above the Lord Jesus Christ. That's foolish of that Muslim.




Now it does not work that way. Being sent to Israel alone ranks higher than being sent to the whole world. Abraham was father of many nations (let's say father of the world), but Jacob was father of Israel only: that position of Jacob ranked higher than that of Abraham, because God chose Israel even when that meant giving up on the rest of the whole world for Satan to have. Let's assume the whole nations of the world were like 300 beautiful women, but only one extra besides them was a Virgin, called, Israel. That one Virgin, Israel, worth more to God as wife than the entire 300 beautiful women combined. The Lord Jesus Christ would rather be called "King of the Jews (Israel only)" than be called Emperor of the Gentiles or Nations of the world. He defended His tribal People, saying to the Samaritan woman, "We know Whom We worship because Salvation is of the Jews."




Peter, James and John, with other great apostles were apostles positioned by God to handle Israel, but just one Apostle, Paul, was sent to the Gentiles or rest of the Nations of the World. Though Paul claim to magnify that office of being Apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13), yet Paul wished he was rather accursed for Israelites to be saved (Romans 9:1-7) but the same Paul never wished he was accursed for the whole nations or Gentiles to be saved even though he was the Apostle sent to the Gentiles. Why was Paul's heart still going for the Israelites or Jews instead of him concentrating on the Gentiles over whom God made him overseer? Was Paul not contented with his office over the non-jewish people? Was he trying to join Peter, John and James (brother of Jesus) and the other Apostles to oversee Israelites? Where it became too much for Paul seeking to be relevant to the Israelites instead of concentrating on the Gentiles where God sent him, was when we saw Paul heading to Jerusalem and leaving the Sheep of the Gentiles in the hands of other pastors or overseers, but he himself would not listen to warnings by God's prophet and the Spirit of God, warning Paul not to go to Jerusalem but remain in his field or office. Yet Paul insisted he was ready to die at Jerusalem, trying to be relevant among Israel. But God was wise, who made them to bring Paul back from Jerusalem to Rome when he was arrested, instead of Paul dying at Jerusalem as he intended. That was how Paul was made to return back to his office base and field outside the shores of Israel, and being under detention Paul never went back to Jerusalem or Israel again, but was made to concentrate more on the non-jewish people, writing Epistles from prison. Remember how Jonah was trying to flee to Tarshish away from his place of primary assignment where God sent him, but God made the fish that swallowed him to bring Jonah to the shores of Assyria or Nineveh where God sent him to minister. Again remember there was an old prophet in Samaria, yet God sent a man of God from Judah to come minister at Samaria instead of the old prophet who refused to be where God assigned him to be.




Well, there's something about Israel that ranks more than the entire world combined before God. Nevertheless, the Church is now the spiritual Israel, filling up the numbers for true Israelites.

DANIEL 2:22
He reveals deep and secret things; He knows what is in the darkness, And light dwells with Him. [NKJV]

He reveals the deep and hidden things; He knows what lies in darkness, and light dwells with Him. [BSB]



How do you describe a Being who does not change Himself, but changes the times and seasons? The Unchanging Changer. But did you know that the saying, "There's time and season for everything under the sun" is because "God changes times and seasons?" If God stops changing times and seasons, then there will no longer be time and season for everything under sun.

Nevertheless, I want to show you that immediately after the scriptures witnessed "There's time and season for everything," the scriptures began to list time for one thing and then time for the reversed/opposite of that thing. For instance, if there's time to be born, the reverse means there's time to die; if there's time to rejoice, the reverse means there's time to mourn or weep; if there's time to gather, the opposite side means there's time to scatter, etc [Ecclesiastes 3].

These effective times for reversed or opposite events are the intentions meant by "God changes times and seasons." Therefore God changes times and seasons implies God reverses or undoes what He did before. Examples, if God raised/setup kings in some times and seasons ago, then when God changes times and seasons He will pull down or remove those kings He raised or setup before. And if a man was made rich by God some time ago, but suddenly the rich became very poor, it means God changed times and seasons upon that once rich man but not to his favor. God did not change, but God changed times and seasons upon him.

In the top Bible verse above, "Darkness, Secrets and Mysteries" were also affected by God changing times and seasons upon them, resulting in their inabilities to continue hiding or covering things because the God that changes times and seasons brought revelations and exposing lights upon those dark things, secret things and mysterious things; the same God that earlier increased and made nations great but later destroyed or disgraced those nations He earlier increased or made great. Viz:

[Job 12:22‭-‬25 BSB] — He reveals the deep things of darkness and brings deep shadows into light. He makes nations great and destroys them; He enlarges nations, then disperses them. He deprives the earth’s leaders of reason and makes them wander in a trackless wasteland. They grope in the darkness without light; He makes them stagger like drunkards.

In the top most Bible verse above, the "Holy Spirit" is more useful than the man "Jesus Christ" in fulfilling those interests. For when the Man Jesus Christ walked the earth, He was the Light of the world and promised that whoever follows Him will not walk in darkness but have the light of life. Yet, His Disciples that followed Him were left in darkness when He Himself, the Light of the world, entered into the times of the powers of darkness at the night He was betrayed and arrested. And there were many things He could not reveal or expose to His Disciples, though He was the Light of the World.

However, the Man Jesus Christ promised and gave to the World the Spirit of Truth whom the world could not receive though the Spirit of Truth came to the world. Then He performed and fulfilled His role as the Light of the World, Viz, "Giving the Spirit of Truth and Living Waters, Holy Spirit of God, into the World from His ascended position in the far above heavens" as the sun is exalted far above in heaven to give light to earth below.

Now is there any difference between what God does in the top most Bible verse above and what the Spirit of God does in this Bible reference below?

[I Corinthians 2:7‭-‬14 NKJV] — But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

DANIEL 2:21
And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise And knowledge to those who have understanding. [NKJV]
He changes the times and seasons; He removes kings and establishes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. [BSB]


GOD'S PERMUTATIONS AMONG MEN
He is the LORD, the Owner of Power and Wisdom. Such Ownership is more expressive in "Wills" than in "Titles," or more visible in "Decisions" than in "Possessions," over these interests.

Are you among those Christians that say the gifts and calling of God is without repentance (Romans 11:29), which is why when God did not collect back His gifts from Satan or sinners? Do not say that anymore. This top Bible verse above disagrees and God shall both give and take away that which He's given as He Wills. The Day of Judgment comes, when even those gifts and powers given to Satan shall be taken away from Satan by He who gave it to him in the beginning, just as the Beauties, the pretty faces, the Attractions, the Grace, the Gifts, the Favors, the Talents, etc, given to unprofitable ones shall be retrieved from them because God who owns all those will not waste them in those who shall be wasted in that Day. As it is written,

[Matthew 25:28-30] — "Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’"

Look at the top Bible verse above, and these 3 Structures from it:



*1* GOD CHANGES TIMES AND SEASONS

God does not change though He changes times and seasons, and the times are changing. Someone said that some things in the Word of God are no longer relevant or applicable to these modern times and ages for times have changed. But here is understanding that you should not build your faith and decisions based only on the changes of these times and seasons, but rather have faith and obedience in the God who changes the times and seasons. What make sense in these seasons and times will eventually not make sense when God change the seasons and times. And yet God will judge man for what the man did or said in times or seasons, even after those times and seasons have changed and what mattered no longer matters in the advent of different seasons and times.

Though we are in end times, and seasons are changing, Satan is not he that changes times and seasons, but the Lord God is He who changes times and seasons. Amen.

Men worry about time being short, because men are under the pressures of time limitations and passages. But even Times are under pressures of God's Changes upon them. God is outside Time Equations, Schedules or Timelines, and so God is not subjected to Times but subjected to His Own Words. It's the Words of God that keeps to time, not necessarily God Himself keeping to time, seeing He changes times and seasons; and yet God is never late even outside Time Schedules. How is God never late, though He is never subject to Time Schedules? By God Changing Times.

[Hebrews 1:12] — "You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed; but You remain the same, and Your years will never end.”"

Stop observing Times and Seasons as being religious or devoted to the observation of the Times and Seasons as the heathenism, Judaism, Muslimism, do. [Galatians 4:10]. Stop giving God time ultimatums when you pray, or subjecting God to the pressures of human's Time Schedules like we foolishly did or like Martha and Mary expected the Lord Jesus Christ to have come early enough when they sent for Him to have prevented their brother, Lazarus's death. Even the Son of God, played it down when it came to God the Father's Timing or Times of Event, because God would not want to be preempted or predictable, which is why many prophets are disgraced when they claim to know when and how God will act or what He will do tomorrow, and God does not want to be so plain or predictable. If God show you precisely what He will do, He might not show you exactly when or how, for confidentiality. Jesus Christ said He will rise from the dead after three days like Jonah from the belly of the beast, but before three days He rose from the dead so that even those details were not fully disclosed until God did them. Infact, it seemed the Lord Jesus Christ did not even spend complete two full days being in the heart of the earth.

He spoke of the events to His returning, but stated He did not even know the time or hour He will return, except the Father God who is secretive with Timings. For this reason, we labelled the coming "Times" of the Lord Jesus Christ as "Coming of a Thief in the night." For He preferred rather for His "Timings" to be associated with the coming of a Thief in the night, (not just He being crucified among thieves and having a thief in the company of His apostles), than for Him to announce when He's coming back or to book the Appointment of His Arrival to us. As it is written,

[1 Thessalonians 5:1-2] — "Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night."

You know that "God's Time is the best," but now begin to also know that "God's Time is as a Thief in the night." The spirit of a man may know the things of the man (1 Corinthians 2:11), but the spirit of a man does not know the time or hour of the man (Ecclesiastes 9:12).

The Lord Jesus Christ taught His Disciples to concentrate more on advancing the gospel, than on meddling with politics even if it's for the forcing the Kingdom of the saints or righteous to take power from the unrighteous politicians. As it is written,

[Acts 1:6-8] — "So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”"


*2* GOD BOTH REMOVES KINGS AND INSTALLS KINGS

Speaking of politics and Governments, these are God's doings though it may appear men are the kingmakers or voters. He gave Mankind dominion in the beginning, but He kept exclusively for Himself how much and how distributed Dominion, Power, Government or Authority, is allocated to each man or nation. Also He gave Mankind all the earth, but He kept exclusively for Himself how much and how distributed the Lands, Earth, Water or Resources/Riches, of earth are allocated to each man or nation.

[Romans 13:1-2] — "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, the one who resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

Power belongs to God. He both exalts and brings down, and He both promotes and demotes, as he wills.


*3* GOD GIVES WISDOM TO THE WISE AND KNOWLEDGE TO THOSE WHO HAVE UNDERSTANDING (DISCERNING).

Notice these things God does in the top Bible verse above were in "Present Continuous tense" and not past things. These things happen today, as they were happening yesterday and tomorrow.

Why does God gives wisdom to the wise, rather than giving wisdom to the foolish; and gives knowledge to the discerning or understanding, rather than giving knowledge to those who lack understanding?

God has determinants of Giving that do favor those who already have more than those who have not. God gives wisdom and knowledge to all, but not all eventually get Wisdom or knowledge.

THE IDENTITY AND INTEGRITY OF THE STREAM REMAINED THE SAME


GENESIS 2:13
[NKJV]
The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which goes around the whole land of Cush.

[AKJV[b]]
And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasses the whole land of Ethiopia.
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According to the Bible verse above, "The Second River (Gihon) and the River around the whole land of Ethiopia, is basically the same." From the time and place this Second River (Gihon) left from the River of Eden, till it surrounded the land of Ethiopia (Cush), it remained the same River called Gihon. Whether other rivers broke out of it or other rivers joined it along the way, the point is that it remained "The Same River" from the second branch off the River of Eden to the compassing of the Land of Ancient Ethiopia.

This was not just about remaining the same river through the distance between the land of Ethiopia and the land of Eden, but also about remaining the same river through thousands of years from when Adam was in Eden to when and after the grandson of Noah, called "Cush" or "Ethiopia" was born and allocated that land, even to the point when this part of the Book of Genesis was written. That River was the same; not changed.

Mankind did not remain the same from Adam in the Garden to Ethiopia, the father of the Black Race or Africans after the flood. So Mankind changed from Eden to Ethiopia land, but Gihon the second river was the same from Eden to Ethiopia land. There are people you cannot say are the same from where/when they began to where they are now, because they changed though still bearing the same names: some have grown worse than they were before, and other grown better than they were before.

But here was a River named Gihon, which passed through many lands and flood between when it became the second branch off the River of Eden to when it's surrounded the land of Cush, and neither its name or Identity was changed for it to forget where it was coming from by reason of where it had been. If anything, it rather grew in size and potentials on arriving the land of Cush, and not declined in potency.

The name "Gihon" means "Stream" in Hebrew language. The second river is named Gihon or named "Stream." May our Streams, Streamings and Fountains, retain their integrity and identity no matter the large distances, places or times covered.

THE TWO GREATEST RIVERS ON EARTH

GENESIS 2:14
[NKJV]
The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it is the one which goes toward the east of Assyria. The fourth river is the Euphrates.

[AKJV] — And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goes toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

These two Rivers differed from the first two in preceding verses by these two Rivers not compassing or surrounding any land as if being in love with a land unlike the first two. Rather these Two Rivers just cut through all the lands on their parts, forming partial borders/boundaries to various lands but made none island. E.g. Tigris river was partial East Border to Assyria, and Euphrates was partial Border/Boundary to Israel's Promised Land.

Moreover, these two Rivers, Hiddekel (Tigris) and Euphrates, were the most spiritually significant rivers on earth outside Eden, having roles in Revelations and Visions. Therefore, they were referred to as the "Great River" in books of Revelation. Examples

[Daniel 10:4‭-‬7 AMP] — On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was on the bank of the great river Hiddekel [which is the Tigris], I raised my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose loins were girded with [a belt of] pure gold of Uphaz. His body also was like beryl [with a golden luster], his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and his feet like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words was like the noise of a multitude [of people or the roaring of the sea]. And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision [of this heavenly being], for the men who were with me did not see the vision; nevertheless, a great panic overwhelmed them, so they ran away to hide themselves.

Four Angels were imprisoned and chained inside one of these great Rivers, Euphrates precisely; and it will take one of the Seven last trumpets of Angels and a voice of the Four Horns of God's Altar to release those four Angels trapped/tied at the greatest River, Euphrates. As it is written,

[Revelation 9:13-14] — "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."

The Book of Jeremiah was bound with a stone and cast into the great River Euphrates from where it will not rise up again, as a prophecy that Babylon shall fall and not rise again. Written thus:

[Jeremiah 51:63‭-‬64 GNT] — Seraiah, when you finish reading this book to the people, then tie it to a rock and throw it into the Euphrates River and say, ‘This is what will happen to Babylonia—it will sink and never rise again because of the destruction that the Lord is going to bring on it.’” The words of Jeremiah end here.

The greatest of the Four Rivers is the great River Euphrates, which is the top Bible verse above was not even associated or connected to any land as Landmark. Euphrates did not need any land for identity, but remained as the remnant of the River from Eden after the other three branched off to their separate paths. Great River Euphrates cannot be dried up by any natural forces, unless by the Bowl of God's Wrath poured into that River to dry it. And the day that great River Euphrates shall be dried up shall be day to begin Armageddon War between Christ and Anti-Christ.

[Revelation 16:12‭-‬16 NKJV] — Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.

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[1 Enoch 21:1]
Then, I proceeded to where things were chaotic and void.

There's a place where things are both chaotic and void, and Enoch made advancement by been there. Even as chaotic and void things are there, that place was still useful place in Enoch's journey and experiences, and the Lord still uses that place of chaos and void. Therefore, that place is chaotic and void, but not useless.


[1 Enoch 21:2]
And I saw there something horrible: I saw neither a heaven above nor a firmly founded earth, but a place chaotic and horrible.

Though things are void there, yet things are seen there. Things being void there does not mean things are nothing there. Something, but horrible, was there that made things there chaotic, horrible and void. Void and chaotic are not the absence of things, but the horrible state of things in the absence of both heaven and earth. This means the presence of heaven and earth is already a form of order, hope and grace, to living creatures. Some are suffering because they are in a place that's neither heaven nor on earth, which is horrible for living creatures.


[1 Enoch 21:3]
And there I saw seven stars of heaven bound together in it, like great mountains and burning with fire.

If there's no heaven there, are you expecting to see a star of heaven there? Behold seven Stars were seen there, bound with chain that immobilized them and burning with fire that was neither of their own fire nor for them, but against them.

Unfortunately, Seven Stars were trapped in that place, and were unable to escape from there. Those seven Stars were like great mountains that were great in size but under attack of burning fire. Those stars lost their freedom or movement in that place; and they have no helper or savior to deliver them from there.


[1 Enoch 21:4]
Then I said: ‘For what sin are they bound, and on why have they been cast in here?’

You see that when a damned soul or person is seen suffering in hell and bondage, people observing or watching would be more interested in knowing the story of the sins they committed that brought that damned soul or person into that place of torment. It's like, "What sin did this one or that one committed? Or, how did this one end up in this hell?" And then there will be a retelling of that person's evil deeds or sins in the past. Abraham reminded the rich man in hell that he received the goods in life, but left Lazarus to receive the evil things without helping him. Lord, when did we see You naked, hungry, suffering, and did not help You? You did not do so to My People, so you did do so to Me.


[1 Enoch 21:5]
Then said Uriel, one of the holy angels, who was with me, and was chief over them: ‘Enoch, why do you ask, and why art you eager for the truth?

Uriel is the Archangel in charge of Prisons and Prisoners among angels, spirit-beings, stars, etc. He's in charge over Bottomless Pits, Formless Hell, Tartarus, etc. Uriel is the lord of Prisons and Horrible Places or Correctional Facilities.

When Enoch asked to know the sin or crime those seven Stars were convicted for, Uriel began answering by questioning Enoch's curiosity or probing into their case. We are not to question God's Judgment over His other Servants or Creatures, but we are to learn from them and to know the truth of those God already judged in order to learn more and trust more of God's righteous Judgment. As Abraham said to the LORD,

[Genesis 18:25] — "Far be it from You to do such a thing— to kill the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Will not the Judge of all the earth do what is right?”"


[1 Enoch 21:6]
These are some of the stars of heaven, which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and are bound here until ten thousand years, the time entailed by their sins, are consummated.’

One of the shames of being in hell fire and seen by the saints, is that they may be discussing your past sins or retelling your foolish deeds that brought you into hell fire, while they are watching you from above but doing nothing to help you.

[Isaiah 66:24] — "“As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind.”"

Imagine being very great on earth, but later end up in hell fire like these Seven Stars were celebrities who were seen in that: imagine how people would be mocking or discussing you. Imagine I being a pastor, and after all these preaching I was found in hell fire, how much people would smite me with wagging tongues.

[Isaiah 14:15-17,19] — "Yet you shall be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see you shall narrowly look on you, and consider you, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? … But you are cast out of your grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden under feet."

According to Uriel in retelling the shameful story of these Seven celebrities or Stars, those seven Stars transgressed the Lord's Commandment. The Lord was angry against those Seven Stars and sentenced them to Ten Millenniums or 10 Millennia in that dungeon of a horrible place of hell. Let's say, it's like Purgatory to them, seeing after 10,000 years their sentence becomes over.

DANIEL 2:20
Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, For wisdom and might are His. [NKJV]
and declared: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and power belong to Him. [BSB]


"BLESSED NAME" AWARDED TO THE OF WISDOM, OWNER OF POWER AND MIGHT

This Wisdom and Revelation Daniel received evidently brought him to glaring realities of God's ownership of Wisdom and Power. Therefore, instead of Daniel to bless the name of God forever because of the wisdom and might Daniel received from God, rather Daniel blessed the name of God forever because Wisdom and Might belong to God. Who owns Wisdom or Power became more important than who had or possessed Wisdom or Power.

There's difference between "I bless You for what I have or receive of You" and "I bless You for what You have or own."

Daniel blessed the name of God forever, so long as God keeps ownership of Wisdom, ownership of power and ownership of might. And God intends to retain ownership of Wisdom, Power and Might, forever, therefore the name of God will retain Blessedness forever.

[Revelation 7:12] — "Amen, Amen: Blessing, and glory, wisdom, thanksgiving, and honor, power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen."

This was a paradigm shift from "Who has Wisdom/Power" to "Who owns Wisdom/Power." It was in the days when "Having Wisdom and Having Power" failed both the wise and the rulers, but only "Owning Wisdom and Owning Power" prevailed.

*1* The wise men, the wise gods, and the Serpents, had wisdom but did not own the wisdom they had; and therefore He who owns all the Wisdom turned them into fools; He gave Wisdom to whoever He wanted and took Wisdom from whomever He wanted.

*2* Nebuchadnezzar, kings and Governments, had power but did not own the power they had; and therefore He who owns all the Powers changed them at will; He gave power to whomever He wanted and took power from whomever He wanted.

[Psalms 62:11] — "God has spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongs to God."

He did not borrow the wisdom of another being to create, neither was He using the power or understanding that belonged to another person to build the world and heavens in creativity. He made sure He both had and owned the Wisdom, Power and Might.

[Jeremiah 10:12] — "God made the earth by His power; He established the world by His wisdom and stretched out the heavens by His understanding."

DANIEL 2:19

Then the secret was revealed to Daniel in a night vision. So Daniel blessed the God of heaven. [NKJV]

That night the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision. Then Daniel praised the God of heaven: [FBV]

*NOT BY WISDOM NOR BY KNOWLEDGE, BUT BY MY REVELATION*

They four prayed at the same time for God's Revelation of the Mystery, but they did not all get the fulfilling of their prayers at the same time or method. One of them was the first to receive the fulfilling of their prayer point that same night and by Vision of the Night, while the others were shown nothing. However, God's way of sharing His things and solutions among men include that God would entrust to one man that's faithful to share with the others, the revelations, the gifts, the riches, the grace, etc of God.

Though the four of them prayed, God chose to reveal the secret or mystery to only Daniel; and Daniel, that's good at sharing matters and prayer point with his companions, did not immediately share this revelation of secret in night vision with them until he revealed the secret before Nebuchadnezzar, the king. Not as Joseph, who would immediately share his dreams or visions of the night with his brethren, even when they do not like him.

Blessed are you Daniel: for Flesh and Blood did not reveal that to you but my Father God in heaven. The Stone you saw in the secret will not just be a Rock on which the Lord would build His Church, but a Stone that would crush the feet or foundation of the built kingdoms of men and then the Stone will advance into great Mountain of God's House and Kingdom on earth forever.

Daniel was not just getting blessed of the God of heaven here by the revelation, but he also blessed the God of heaven for the revelation.

[Luke 10:21 BSB] — "At that time, Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was well-pleasing in Your sight."

Jesus Christ praised/thanked You, Father, and called You, Lord of Heaven and Earth. True Revelations always show You are the Lord of not just the Heavens but also Lord of the Earth, even when Satan pose as god of this world or ruler of this world. Daniel blessed You as God of Heaven, when Your Revelation ruled the earth where he received it.

The secret none of the wise and the learned men could find, was revealed through Daniel who was among the little children to whom the Father and Lord of Heaven and Earth chose to reveal secrets instead of revealing secrets to the wise and learned people.

Hence, it's by "Revelation" and not just by "Wisdom." Wisdom failed all the wise men and brought about swift death upon them, but Revelation of God saved and delivered the wise men from the danger their wisdom led them to. Faith and Revelation are greater than Wisdom and Understanding.

[1 Corinthians 1:19-21] — "For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age (PHD - Holders)? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."

There's limit to how much the gifts of Wisdom and the gifts of Knowledge can reveal to men, which is why we must not trust in our own wisdom or understanding alone, but to keep depending on God for His Revelations and Guiding Lights, as in, to keep seeing through God's Spirit and Revelations, for which we must seek God every day to retain.

Righthussle:
How I hate organised religions. My Christain mother always disturbes me about becoming a Christian. I told her I'll practice the religion the day their god reverses the curse he placed on women that makes them experience pain during labour. She said "that's not possible , that means you don't want to be a Christian" and I asked her why. Please can some tell me why that is not possible.

Is the Christain god no longer god ?
Is he no longer powerful ?
Can he not forgive and reverse the curse?
Is the suffering not enough?

The Christian's God have all the Powers to do all things, but that does not mean He does everything just to prove Himself to people. That pain in child bearing was not to prove His Power, but to prove His Word. He said it, and it happened. Woman did not keep God's Word in the Garden, but child-bearing kept God's Word in the Woman to makeup for her in ability to keep God's Word within her.

However, if you understand the message on this Topic about Prayer Partners and Prayer Point, then you need to change your prayer point from "Asking God to remove the pains or sufferings in child-bearing" to rather "Asking God to increase your grace and strength to bear or endure and be delivered."

Pain on this side, but greater degree of joy and fulfilment on the other side, of child-bearing. As it is written,

John 16:21 — "A woman has pain in childbirth because her time has come; but when she brings forth her child, she forgets her anguish because of her joy that a child has been born into the world."

For God to remove the pain of children is to reduce the joy and rewards of being a mother, and reduce the value of children because there by then, bearing children would be like the way men release their sperm without feeling pain but pleasure while releasing their semen; and so they have little or no value for their sperms once released.

Please, become the Christian God's used the voice of your mother to call you to be. Your mother went through the pains of child-bearing to bear you, and yet valued you so much that she wanted you to become a Christian and follow the same God that made her feel pains while bearing you.