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DANIEL 3:9

[AKJV] — "They spoke and said to the king Nebuchadnezzar, O king, live for ever."

"They addressed King Nebuchadnezzar, “Your Majesty, may you live forever!" - [GW]

"They" in the Bible verse above referred to those who brought accusation against the Jews and against the saints that would not worship idols nor bow to other gods, except to Elohim.

In the Bible verse above, they began their speech by wishing the king, Nebuchadnezzar, to live forever. This means, they would rather have the idolatrous king of the world to live forever at the cost of having the saints of the Lord most God to be killed in a burning fiery furnace. It's like the Jews themselves would rather have a king of the world then, Caesar, and Barabbas to live on at the cost of having the Lord and righteous Jesus Christ to be crucified to death.

Many people have condemned to death those they should have saved alive, and saved alive those they should have killed or condemn to death, for money or gains of this world (Isaiah 5:23). Saul foolishly spared the king of the Amalekites, wishing him to live forever instead of killing that king. Be careful the king you would grant to live forever, and be careful those you bless with life, and those you curse or condemn with death. Avoid the error of Balaam for king Balak.
[Proverbs 17:15] — "He that justifies the wicked, and he that condemns the righteous, even they both are abomination to the LORD."
In Christmas season like this, you may hear a Christmas Carol with demonic lyrics or demonic doctrines in the Christmas song, saying,
"Mary's Boy Child Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day, and men will live forever more because of Christmas Day"
Three demonic doctrines or devil's lies are in this part of that Christmas Carol I cited above:

*1* That Jesus Christ is Mary's Boy Child: A big lie. Jesus Christ has never been Mary's, though Mary birthed Him. To us a Child is born, a Son is given, to all men; He's not Mary's own. Neither is He still a Boy nor yet a Child: Jesus Christ is now a Son of Man, not a boy child.

*2* Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day: A big lie. Jesus Christ was never born on Christmas Day. Are you saying Christmas Day existed before Jesus Christ was born or was born on that day? The true Birthday date of the Lord Jesus Christ has nothing to do with 'December 25' called Christmas Day.

*3* And men will live forever more because of Christmas Day: A big lie. Eternal life or everlasting life is not because of Christmas Day, but by the Lord Jesus Christ. The Devil makes people worship and exalt Christmas Day above Christ Jesus Himself.

How much of Christ Jesus do you find in the activities and celebrations of Christmas? The devil is a liar.

Those lying to Nebuchadnezzar the idolater that he may live forever because he's king, and that his kingdom of gold would not be overthrown by another kingdom of Silver, just because he made it and made all the different nations, divers peoples of the world, to worship and celebrate the Golden Statue: those liars are not different from those lying to the world today that they may live forever because of Christmas Day was made, worshiped and celebrated by all nations, languages, races and peoples, for the so-called reason/season.

GOD PROVIDED AND CLOTHED THEM

[Genesis 3:21]
Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them. [NKJV]

And the Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and He clothed them. [BSB]

In this Bible verse above, God did two things for the man and his wife:

1 God made for them garments or coats of skins;

2 God clothed them with the garments He made for them.

The two deeds may be very related or supposedly seen as one act, but there's difference between God providing your clothes and God Himself clothing you with them. There's greater honor and fashion in God clothing you and your wife/husband Himself, more than God providing the clothes for you to clothe yourself. It's like a promotional ceremony of military officer, wherein a superior dresses the man who's receiving the promotion or higher rank.

Some said God would not do for you what He has empowered you with ability to do yourself or do for yourself: but I do not fully agree with that.

Infact, there are things God gave you ability to do yourself or for yourself, which you should not still do yourself or for yourself but seek/wait for God to do them for you no matter how much power and ability you have to do them for yourself. One of those things is "Exalting yourself," another is trying to save your own life against lose it for the Savior Jesus Christ. It's not in whether you would successfully do them yourself and for yourself but in the reality that unless the Lord builds a city those who build labor but in vain. Adam and Eve fell because they were deceived into trying to do for themselves the knowledge of good and evil or becoming as the gods, against waiting for the Lord to make them and make for them what they needed or desired.

Nevertheless, I am not sure Adam and Eve could make for themselves garments of skins at that stage, neither am I sure on they could put on the garments God made for them by themselves without God's help. Let us yearn for this from God above all our homes on earth — To be clothed by God Himself with garments of immortality, rather than with garments of skins as Adam and Eve were in the Bible verse above. To be clothed with garments of skins makes people susceptible to things that penetrate animal skins as the animals; but to be clothed with immortality makes people become immortal or be like the angels of Elohim rather than the animals under skins.

[2 Corinthians 5:3-5] — "If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed on, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now He that has worked us for the selfsame thing is God, who also has given to us the earnest of the Spirit."

Here are the two basic points in this commentary:

1*1 — Seek God to clothe you with immortality or eternal light above God clothing you with skin or flesh.

2*2 — Seek God to minister to you above God providing for you. He's not just "Jehovah Jireh" but also the Minister.

In the spiritual realms, providing is different from ministering; and somehow, more honor is given to the people who minister above the people who provide. It is not, "I was naked you provided clothes for Me (as a provider);" but this, "I was naked you clothed Me (as a minister)." It is not, "I was hungry you provided food for Me (as a provider);" but this, "I was hungry you fed me (as a minister)." It is not, "I was thirsty you provided water for Me (as a provider);" but this, "I was thirsty you gave Me drink (not just gave Me water, but gave Me drink of water or any drink as a minister)." It is this, "I was sick, in prison, etc, and "you ministered to Me" not "you provided for Me."

You must differentiate between "Ministering to the saints" and "Providing for the saints." God made for them garments of skins (Provided for them), and God clothed them (Ministered to them). Pastors and Teachers are to feed the Flock/Sheep, not just to provide food for the them. It's not enough for the parents to provide the food for the baby, but they have to feed the baby the baby because the baby may not be able to feed on the food provided. Imagine God called me to be a teacher of His Word, and at the end of my assignment I stand before Him and in giving account of my ministry I tell God that I bought and shared thousands of Bible and Christian Books to people who could read, instead of feeding them I provided them with the food packages for them to feed themselves. Is that actually an "Account of my Ministry?" Is that not instead an "Account of my Goodworks or my Charity/Generousity?" Ministry is different from Charity works or Goodworks: Your Ministry is your Services, not your Provisions or Offerings. I am not just giving you foodstuffs, I am feeding you.

There churches that celebrate those who give fatter offerings and Provisions above those who minister in songs, minister in serving the table, serving food, servicing the church, sweeping and cleaning the church, church workers etc. But in the kingdom of God, those providing services (ministering) to the saints are giving greater honor than those who sit and receive the services but only give the greatest offerings, provisions, donations, etc.

DANIEL 3:8

[NKJV] — Therefore at that time certain Chaldeans came forward and accused the Jews.

[ICB] — Then some Babylonians came up to the king. They began speaking against the men of Judah.

After the instrumentalists were done, behold the "Whistle-Blowers" in the Bible verse above brought accusations against the Jews maliciously. Not against whistleblowing, but against the malicious. The whistleblowing was malicious for:

*1* — It was malicious because of the racism or tribal/ethnic hatred from some people of one ethnic group or nationality (Chaldeans/Babylonians) against one particular nationality (Jews). Many different nationalities were there, but only one nationality brought up all those snitchers or accusers against the Jews.

*2* — It was malicious because the accusers or snitchers were accusing the entire tribe/ethnic group nationality (entire Jews) for the crime of just 3 men from that tribe or ethnic group. They were trying to indict the entire millions of Jews for just three Jews (Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego), and to cause the king to wipe the entire Jews like Haman would want a king's decree to wipe the entire Jews for just one Jew (Mordecai) [Esther 3:8-10].

*3* — It was malicious because the accusers or snitchers did not do that for any development/value it would add to the country or to them, but for just the shear wickedness to see the accused burn in furnace of fire or for just the destruction of the accused.

I joined those saying this, and I also say, "If you experienced hell fire, you would not even want your human enemies you know to be there." But in the Bible verse above, those Chaldeans who brought accusations against the Jews knew the burning fiery furnace would be the decreed judgment or fate for those they would accuse if they accuse them, and still they maliciously went ahead to bring up the accusation or to publish the sin/crime in the court. Usually, when I consider consequences that would befall a man or woman if I should report or accuse him/her, and judge the harm would be fatal on him/her, I would not go ahead to report, expose or accuse the person; for I would rather save the person from the fatal harm, than to wish him/her such terrible penalty or consequence. Hence, love covers multitude of sin.

And in this Bible verse above, those accusers or malicious reporters/snitchers had Satan behind them against the Jews, because Satan had always hated the Jews and sought to annihilate them from among all nations of the world. Satan is the highest Accuser of the Brethren, accusing the Brethren and the Jews day and night before the throne. However, do not just see or give your attention to the accusers who came up before the throne, but much more see and give more attention to the Intercessors and Advocators who also came up and stood up before the throne.

ONE WORLD RELIGION

DANIEL 3:7

[NKJV] — So at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the horn, flute, harp, and lyre, in symphony with all kinds of music, all the people, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the gold image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

[GNT] — And so, as soon as they heard the sound of the instruments, the people of all the nations, races, and languages bowed down and worshiped the gold statue which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

Nebuchadnezzar, being the reigning king of kings then, was also lording over the gods or religions of the entire world. He himself set up something and made it the god for all nations, languages and all people, to worship. He could make and unmake gods or religions. Yes, he made one world religion here, making the world in Babylon to worship the gold image he himself set-up or chose.

The antichrist would be allowed such powers over all religions and over all gods, though we know there's no other true god but the Creator of heavens and earth alone. All other gods are fake and they are the works of men or the devils.

In the Bible verse above, all people of all nations, languages and races, worshiped the Golden Statue Nebuchadnezzar made into a god for the world to worship, without giving them "Freedom of Worship" to choose whom they will to worship. This sin of king Nebuchadnezzar here is like the "sin of Jeroboam" the king of northern Israel after Solomon. It was the sin of making "2 Golden Calves" long after the "Golden Calf" made in the days of Aaron by mount Sinai. King Jeroboam made golden Calf(s) and made Israel to worship it instead of God, some how like king Nebuchadnezzar later achieved here. As it is written,

[1 Kings 12:28-30; 13:33-34] — "After seeking advice, the king Jeroboam made two golden calves. He said, "You've been worshiping in Jerusalem long enough. Israel, here are your gods who brought you out of Egypt." He put one in Bethel and the other in Dan. Worshiping them became [Israel's] sin. The people went as far as Dan to worship the one calf. … Even after this, Jeroboam didn't change his evil ways, but he once again made some men priests for the illegal worship sites. He took all who were willing and appointed them to be priests at the worship sites. Appointing illegal priests became the sin of Jeroboam's family so that it had to be destroyed and wiped off the face of the earth."

Having seen those kings and antichrist's false prophets doing this, know that such sin brings perdition upon the sinners.

When all nations, languages, races and the entire world, shall unanimously worship the Beast (Antichrist) or his Image, there shall be some people who shall never bow nor worship the image no matter the pressure or threat to their lives. So when "all people or all nations," were used to denote those who worshiped the Golden Image in the top Bible verse above, "all" means there are few men who's names are written in the Book of Life, and they shall never worship other gods but the Lord God. As it is written,

Revelation 13:7-9] — "And it was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear."

Having your name in the book of life or being among God's chosen elects guarantees for you special grace to withstand and resist such one world religion or global temptations, influence and pressures. For you must not sin this sin even for once, as there's no forgiveness or redemption for it.

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THE ROOT OF THE VANITIES AND THE GOSPEL OF LIFE

[Genesis 3:19]

In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” [NKJV]

You will have to work hard and sweat to make the soil produce anything, until you go back to the soil from which you were formed. You were made from soil, and you will become soil again.” [GNT]

By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground— because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” [BSB]

The “Vanities of life” have these 6 points to say from the top bible verse above:

●▪︎ Under the curse, man's face had to produce sweat before the ground would produce food for the man, and yet both the food and the man shall return to the ground from they were taken from.

●▪︎ Basically, the tree of knowledge of good and evil told man he was naked, but it was God who told man he was dust: Adam neither knew he was naked nor knew he was dust before the serpent got through the woman. The One who told the man he was dust told him more truth but also did him more damage by that truth and revelation than the one who told the man he was naked: For by telling the man he was naked, it only shortened his glory; while by telling the man he was dust, it shortened his life and death arose.

These are vanity to man:

●▪︎ By sweat of his face, the man shall eat bread; but because no amount of sweat of his face would guarantee him the right to eat of the tree of life, the man will still return to the dust in death and mortality at the end of his days no matter how much he had eaten: For it’s not in how much food eaten, but in how much days (time) left.

●▪︎Man had to sweat to eat food, and then had to eat food to sweat again, etc.

●▪︎Man was taken out of dust to struggle all the days of his life, only to return to the dust again from where he's taken.

●▪︎The ground was cursed for man's sake, and yet the man shall return to the ground that was cursed for man's sake; implying the man shall again be partaker of the cursed ground.
The “Gospel of life” have these 3 points to say from the top bible verse above:
*a* The “Gospel of the Returning of Man:” There is a “Returning” which means a “Restoration.” Return is better than U-turn: for Return means “Restoration” while U-turn means “Repentance.”

*b* The “Gospel of the Returning of Man:” The man was to return to the ground where he was taken from, but did you know He or what made the man to be taken from there the first place would still be there to take the man again from there the second time? That urge, that strong desire or that Person who delighted to take the man from the dust would even come down stronger and go into that dust to take the man again from the dust in what is called Resurrection from the dead. There shall be a “Re-Taking of the man again from the dust/death, after the man is returned to the dust where he was taken from the first time. As it is written,

[Isaiah 26:19 TS2009] - Let your dead live, together with My Dead Body, let them arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; for your dew is a dew of light, and let the earth give birth to the departed spirits.

Again, it is written,

[1 Corinthians 15:20-22] — "But now Christ has come back from the dead. He is the very first Person of those who have died to come back to life. Since a man brought death, a Man also brought life back from death. As everyone dies because of Adam, so also everyone will be made alive because of Christ."

*c* The “Gospel of the Son of God better than the Tree of life:” The man was prevented from reaching and eating of the tree of life so that this Word of God about his returning to dust in the top bible verse above would be fulfilled; but in returning to dust Something and Someone greater than the tree of life, giving eternal life better than the tree of life, came to him in dust to take him from the dust forever and give him the eternal life he could not access by the tree of life. This is called, “Salvation of Adam.”

This is even better and easier, for he did not have to struggle to reach the tree of life and then to get its fruit, so that coming to where the tree of life stands would be necessary; rather he can now have or receive everlasting life by faith wherever he is and no matter the distance apart, just by believing in the Son of God, Jesus Christ. As it is written,

[John 3:16 MKJV] - For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Maynman:
Chai religion 😂

Laughing at death, don't laugh at religion but at carnality.

[Genesis 3:18]

Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. [NKJV]

It will produce weeds and thorns, and you will have to eat wild plants. [GNT]

Both thorns and thistles it will yield for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. [BSB]

REAPING WHERE ONE DID NOT SOW

In principle of God's Judgment, "What a man sows, he'll reap." But in the Bible verse above, Adam would be reaping the thorns and thistles he did not sow and eating the herbs he did not plant.

[Matthew 25:24] — "Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew You that You are an hard Man, reaping where You have not sown, and gathering where You have not strewed:"

This could mean a blessing or curse, a garden of Eden or desert. Adam experienced it (reaping where he did not sow) both as a blessing and later as a curse, both as a garden of Eden and later as a desert. In the top Bible verse above, God was reversing it from being a blessing to becoming a curse, from a garden of Eden (blessed ground) where the ground produced trees for Adam and he ate fruits to a cursed ground where the ground produced thorns and thistles for Adam and he ate herbs instead of fruits.

[Hebrews 6:7-8 BSB'19] — "For land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is tended receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless, and its curse is imminent. In the end it will be burned."
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The ground that was cursed for Adam's sake would still have the Fertility or productive capacity to yield or bear thorns, thistles, wild plants or wild herbs and even poisonous plants, etc, but would not easily yield the fruits of what Adam would sow in it. This means, when God cursed the ground for Adam's sake, the curse did not disable the ground's productive strength; instead the ground also produced offsprings and harvests for the curse, for the curse of the ground for Adam's sake became seed sown.

So that curse was not just destructive, but reproductive and multiplicative, having abilities to grow descendants or offsprings. The curse is like the tares the enemy planted in the field, while the ground is like the field: and the Lord said, "Let them grow together with the good plants until the harvest…" So the same fertility and strength the ground assigns to the good plants, it also assigns to the evil or cursed plants. Whatever gets sown is entitled to getting reaped or growths.

Be not deceived, "Whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap." [Galatians 6:7]. But Adam did not sow the curse nor the thorns/thistles, yet even those things he did not sowed he would reap together with eating herbs he did not sow. That's because the curse that sowed those things in the ground is "Curse for Adam's sake." He did not sow the "Curse," but sowed the "Cause for the Curse" which is same as sowing the Curse.

[Jeremiah 12:10,13] — "Many Pastors have destroyed My vineyard, they have trodden My portion under foot, they have made My pleasant portion a desolate wilderness. … They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD."

Causing the anger of the Lord to come is a way of reaping thorns (curse) which you did not sow. Let it not be for your sake or your cause why God's fierce and destructive anger is sown as curse or plague on earth.

Please add Mosquitoes to the list of thorns and thistles mankind are experiencing, after all Mosquitoes have their stingers as thorns, thistles or needed syringes that takes away good blood from people and animals, and inject parasites into them instead. Therefore, Mosquitoes are injections and thorns but are evil injections because they are not injecting herbs (medicines) into people as thorns/thistles, but injecting sicknesses and parasites.

jaephoenix:
Scientifically proven that religion kills brain cells. This post proves that.
Cow dung is composed of waste from the cow meals and ic composed of bacteria, some which may be deadly to humans. Yet this nigga said its purer than human feces

Without religion, Scientists also proves that cells die and are constantly replaced with new cells, including brain cells. Religion is meant to kill somethings in the physical and give life to much more spiritual things instead.

But are you saying Scientists proved human's shit is purer than cow's shit?

RepoMan007:
Prepare bread over.

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COW'S SHIT INSTEAD OF HUMAN'S SHIT

Ezekiel 4:15

[Ezekiel 4:15 NKJV] — Then He said to me, “See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread over it.”

“Very well,” He said. “Then I will give you cow’s dung instead of human dung. You may use it for your fire to bake your bread.” [Ezekiel 4:15 ICB]


This was said in a way that implied God would be doing a favor to Ezekiel by giving him Cow's shit to use instead of human's shit (excrement) for aromating his bread. The bread would still be a defiled bread if baked with a fire that's fueled by cow's shit, but the degree of the defilement of the bread would not defile the body that eats it, unlike bread of human shit.

I know this, because Cow's Shit is useful in the ritual of Sin Offering: (But it's while the shit is inside its intestines, not when its dropped to the ground from the cow). As it is written,

But burn the bull's meat, its hide, and its excrement outside the camp—it is an offering for sin. [Exodus 29:14 FBV]

[See also Leviticus 8:17, 16:27, Numbers 19:5 for Cow's shit in sin offerings]

Besides, Cows shit was used as manure for crops cultivation. It came to a point in Israel that even a measure of Dove's shit cost 5 pieces of silver due to scarcity and high demand (2 Kings 6:25).

Shit here means, bodily waste discharged through the anus: also called FECES, EXCREMENT.

Cow's shit is purer than human's shit. Cow's shit also has more value than human's shit. In the law of Moses, humans' shit was meant to be buried underground or in a grave for it's like a dead human carcass should be buried or hidden from sight off the surface of the earth. Open defecation and open show of human shit disgusts the Lord God: As it is written,

Carry a tool with you. When you go out to shit, dig a hole and cover up your shit. The Lord your God moves around through your camp. He will protect you. He will help you defeat your enemies. So the camp must be holy. The Lord must not see anything unclean among you. Then He will not turned off to leave you. [Deuteronomy 23:13‭-‬14]

By the way, if everyone used to bury or hide his/her shit, there would not be any available for Ezekiel to burn with fire. I heard some people in olden days in Africa had ways of punishing anyone who's shit is exposed and found where one should not have shit: and they do so by pouring kerosene with pepper on the shit, and then set the shit ablaze with fire. Somehow it will plague the person from who's body the shit came out.

Now imagine it is your shit that Ezekiel, the son of man, was burning with fire and using it in a ritualistic oven bakery. Did I just say, 'Imagine it is your shit?' Please disregard that, and don't imagine that; and it was not even humans' shit afterall, but cow's shit.

But I don't know how some people could shit and expose their shit even on the roads or ways where people would see and perceive it.

"Instead of human shit to be the burnt offering, let God provide the cow's shit to be the burnt offering — even as instead of Isaac to be the burnt offering God provided the Ram for the burnt offering." It's better to have your shit buried than burnt. This includes the paper or tissue containing your shit: or rather use detergent and water than paper or tissue.

orisa37:
THAT'S EVE INCARNATE, READY FOR ETERNAL SERPENTINE BLEEPING.

Eve was one of the holiest and godly women on Earth's history till date. So called 'Eve-incarnate' should be virgins or godly wives. Change your mindset view about Eve

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WORSHIP IN FEAR OF JUDGMENT

DANIEL 3:6

[NKJV] — and whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.”

[ICB] — Everyone must bow down and worship this gold statue. Anyone who doesn’t will be quickly thrown into a blazing furnace.”

He not only made the idol golden (great, glorious and attractive) for men to worship it, but he also added the pressure of the fear of his judgment (wrath) should incase some would still not worship it based on its riches alone.

Even so:

*1* There's time to Worship The LORD for He's Worthy to be worshipped;

*2* There's also time to Worship The LORD for fear of His Judgment.

Both are not the same. Many only know the first reason for worshipping Him, but have not come to the second reason. Worshiping God for His worthiness is about Love of God, but worshiping God for His judgment is about Fear of God. The love of God is the height of Wisdom, but the Fear of God in the foundation or beginning of Wisdom.

He not only wants you to worship Him with knowledge of His glory, splendor, grace, goodness, riches and awesomeness; for He also wants you to worship Him with knowledge of His Judgment, Fear of Him. Should I give you three Bible references that calls all men to worship God in regards to His Judgment (and not just worshiping Him in regards to His other attributes, but His Judgment or Fearfulness)? I think I should.

The angel that would be flying and doing evangelism on air, preaching the everlasting gospel, would not be preaching prosperity but be preaching fear of God and worshiping God in fear of His Judgment. As it is written,

[Revelation 14:6-7] — "And I saw another angel fly in the middle of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

[Revelation 15:4] — "Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your Name? for You only are holy: for all nations shall come and worship before You; for Your judgments are made manifest."

[Psalms 96:9] — "O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness: fear before Him, all the earth."

[Psalms 5:7] — "But as for me, I will come into Your house in the multitude of Your mercy: and in Your fear will I worship toward Your holy temple."

You see "Fear" or "Threat" is applicable in Worship, not just honor. There are worship dominated by honoring the One being worshipped, and there are also worship dominated by fearing the One being worshipped.

In the top Bible verse above, the king that commanded the people to worship his golden image (in honoring him) at the sound of music also showed his judgment or wrath (fiery furnace instant death sentence) to whoever fails to worship the image (fearing him) during or after hearing the music. So both honoring the image and fearing his judgment were applied to ensuring the worship the king deaired.

Another similar example would be the Antichrist (the Beast), the False Prophet (the Second Beast) and the Image of the first Beast. The second Beast (False Prophet) would exercise the powers of the first Beast (Antichrist), and cause people to make image of the first Beast. As soon as the image of the first Beast is ready, the second Beast would give life to that image of the Antichrist or cause the non-living image to become living thing, like some advanced form of Artificial intelligence (AI). The second Beast would also give that image of the first Beast power or ability to track and kill whoever would not worship it (the image) nor receive the mark of the beast (666). Meaning, adding fear of his judgment or wrath or death sentence to the attraction of worshiping the image of the antichrist.

[Revelation 13:15] — "And he had power to give life to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."


Now having known there's "Fear of God" and there's "Fear of the Enemy's wrath:" whom you worship means whom you fear the most.

The Lord has taught us, saying, "Do not fear the wrath of the enemy because I am about to reveal My own wrath."

Check that statement out: He's not telling you not to fear the Enemy's wrath because He will protect or deliver you, neither is He promising you the Enemy's wrath would not touch you, as the reason why you should not fear the Enemy's wrath. Rather the reason He's telling you not to fear the Enemy's wrath is because God's own wrath is far greater and more deadly than the Enemy's wrath. It is using "Greater Fear" to overcome or disregard "lesser fears." Not using security or promise of safety to assure you and keep you from the Enemy's fear, but rather showing you His own Fear or threat that's greater than the Enemy's threat. As it is written,

[Matthew 10:28] — "And do not fear them who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Again, if you truly fear God, you would not fear men nor fear the devil because you fear and know the judgment of God. I don't fear man because I fear God. You may not understand how greater Fear is the solution lesser fears. The reason Joseph was not afraid of the woman's wrath to sleep with her was because Joseph was afraid of God. If you saw the fear or danger of losing your job, losing your position, or losing your life unless you compromise in fornication, idolatry or any sin; you have not seen God's wrath if you do compromise, but only seeing the Enemy's wrath if you don't compromise.

Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, were not basing there fearlessness of the king's wrath for not worshiping his image on God's deliverance or security from the furnace of fire instant death; rather they were basing their fearlessness on the greatest Fear, which is the Fear of God, greater than the fear of the king's wrath. Promising people that God will deliver them if they don't fear what men would do to them for serving God and remaining upright and virgin, would not always help them. Let their assurance for conquering fear of men be their fear of God, so that even if God would not deliver them from the threats or dangers at men's hands they would even die still fearing God who is able to destroyed both body and soul in hell fire forever. You must fear His Rod and Staff more than you fear the evil in the valley of the shadow of death, because His rod and staff can do you more harm (if you drift) than all the evils in the valley of the shadow of death can do to you if you remain abiding with Him.

What many people are doing daily is basically "Choosing God to punish them" by choosing men/sufferings not to punish them: They fear men or fear sufferings more than they fear God. So they try to escape poverty, sufferings or people's wrath, even when that means falling in God's wrath.

[Psalms 36:1-2] — "The transgression of the wicked said within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flatters himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful."

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THE UNDEFILED AND HOLY MEN

[Ezekiel 4:14 BSB'19] — "“Ah, Lord GOD,” I said, “I have never defiled myself. From my youth until now I have not eaten anything found dead or mauled by wild beasts. No unclean meat has ever entered my mouth.”"

[Ezekiel 4:14 AKJV] — "Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul has not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dies of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth."

In the top Bible verse above, Ezekiel could boldly affirm before God that he was holy or undefiled even from the days of his youth, and have never been polluted both in body and soul. And God did not deny nor doubted the holiness of Ezekiel even in the presence of God. Is it easy to tell God you are holy or undefiled even from your childhood and adolescence, and God Himself accepts? Yes, indeed, you should strive to hold this confession before God, not just the confessing of your sins before God but to attain the confessing of your holiness before God without lying about it.

Are you not going to be ashamed that your mates are confessing their sinlessness and undefiledness (holiness) before God even from their youth days till their old age (as Ezekiel here), in the record or history of their lives, but you only have your sins to admit and to confess before God asking for His forgiveness, mercy and grace, because from your youth days till now sins and defilements covered you as a swine wrapped in gutter waste?

This was the first speech Ezekiel ever said in the scriptures, including his own book, "the Book of Ezekiel." He had not spoken before all those while, for only God had been speaking to him and with him in the entire time before now. And that was not because God made him mute or dumb so he wouldn't warn people. This first spoken word of Ezekiel came as slight protest to the instruction God gave him about eating defiled bread baked with the fire and smoke that burns human feases, as prophecy that the people of Israel shall be driven away from the Promised Land and scattered in places where they shall eat defiled and unclean food.

In the content of his first spoken word, Ezekiel defended the integrity of his "Remaining Undefiled in Nature - RUN." The first time he couldn't held back from talking to God and disagreeing with God was when his holiness or purity of his soul and body was to be affected if he was to obey God against his own purity or remaining undefiled.

We've seen people who had thrown away their virginity, holiness, purity and integrity, got themselves defiled and didn't even care about it. But it's important we see people who were extremely protective of their virginity, holiness, purity and integrity, ready to defend their undefiledness to degrees that even if God Himself allows them to defile themselves they would not defile themselves. These are the people that are not being holy just because God commanded it, but have chosen to bond with holiness, purity, virginity, undefiledness, etc., as important as their body and soul or as their greatest Treasures on earth. They are not just being holy just to make heaven or see God through holiness, but have gone beyond that to treasuring holiness as the greatest freedom and honor one can possess for oneself. Meet some of such people in the Bible:

*1* The Everlasting Virgins — [Revelation 14:4-5] — "These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they are virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They have been redeemed from among men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless." — As you read, these ones "Remained Undefiled in Nature - RUN" and were not defiled with women or sexual intercourse, therefore they are virgins: that qualified them to rank highest in holiness or to become "The Firstfruits (Firstborns)" to God and to the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

*2* The Rechabites and sons of Jonadab — [Jeremiah 35] — Though these ones refused even the wine served in church or house of God by the prophet of God, they were not doing so out of their zeal for holiness, purity or undefiledness, but for their zeal of obeying and keeping their father's commandments and tradition. Thus, they are better in the examples of honoring father and mother to prolong one's days or living on earth. Nevertheless, these ones refused even the offering of blessed wine in the house of God in their preserving and keeping integrity/tradition.

*3* The Danielites — [Daniel 1:8-16] — Even though God would not have punished them for following the king's order or dining from the king's table in the land of their captivity, yet Daniel and his colleagues proposed to "Remain Undefiled in Nature - RUN" and they were not satisfied with being Eunuchs (virgins/celibates) only but also rejected dining from the king's table, choosing only vegetables (like vegans) and water without wine juice. These ones bonded with holiness, purity or virginity, in body.

*4* Peter — [Acts 10] — Even though he was hungry and in his vision or trance the Lord offered him various kinds of animals of the earth but coming from heaven where they were already converted from been unclean to being clean and sanctified by God — Yet Peter refused God's offering of those meat for him to eat because they appeared unclean though they were no longer unclean but holy, and sanctified. Actually the those meat would not have defiled Peter but would have strengthen him and opened his eyes in enlightenment further. Nevertheless, Peter, who was a fisherman, would not risk defiling himself with meat he was not sure of or had never eaten before.

*5* John the Baptist — Even though John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah, he did not follow the eating habits of Elijah. And even though John the Baptist came as forerunner of the Lord Jesus Christ, he did not follow or emulate the eating habits of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ and Elijah were Men of God who could visit a woman's house, even a woman that is a sinner's house, and eat and drink from the table of the sinners with them. But John the Baptist would neither eat with sinners, nor eat from sinners, and not even eat or drink things normal human beings ate and drank: and his own virginity holiness was so extreme that he had no single conversation or interaction with any woman apart from his mother, Elizabeth. Nevertheless, they were women who hated him and wanted his head cut off more than they wanted anything else from a king offering them as much as even half the king's kingdom or wealth.


Excuse me|

I asked a young woman, "Are you married?" She said, No. Which means you are single? She said, Yes. And I also asked her, "Are you a virgin?" She was unhappy with the question, but said No.

My wondering now is, "How is she unmarried (single) and at the same time she's not a virgin?" Or how can a woman had sexual intercourse with a man, and not be married? Is sex not consumation of marriage or joining together of the two into one?

There's a Bible verse where "A Virgin" was meant "Unmarried woman" or "Unmarried woman" meant "A Virgin," still holy (undefiled) both in her body and in her spirit. As it is written,

[1 Corinthians 7:34] — "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married cares for the things of the world, how she may please her husband."

Paul used "Unmarried woman" as synonym for a "Virgin" in this Bible verse.

Who was that man of great strength that was called to be a Nazirite and holy to God so that the power/anointing of God combined with the holiness or undefiledness of his body would keep him from ever being defeat by any armies of the enemy, but that man toyed with his holiness and ate or drank things he shouldn't including sleeping with women? That was Samson.


God wants us to be holy as He is holy in all we do. As it is written,

[1 Peter 1:15-16] — "But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”"


[2 Corinthians 7:1 BSB'19] — "Therefore, beloved, since we have these promises, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that defiles body and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."

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WORSHIP COMPLIANT MUSIC

DANIEL 3:5

[NKJV] — that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up;

[FBV] — As soon as you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, trigon, harp, pipes, and all kinds of musical instruments, you must fall to the ground and worship the gold statue that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up.

The construction was built to turn all kinds of musical sounds into "worship compliant" even if they are not worship songs or worship sounds. But the instruction was made to force all men into worshiping the king's golden/glorious image, which the king had highly exalted.

To us, there are few differences in instruction and construction:

*1* Instead of "At the sound of every music" in the Bible verse above, — to us it is "At the mention of the name of "Jesus Christ" in the Bible verse below.

*2* Instead of "Every one must bow to worship the gold image Nebuchadnezzar the king highly exalted or setup" as in the Bible verse above, — to us it is "Every knee shall bow to the true living Image/Son of God (Jesus Christ) whom God highly exalted and gave a Name above all names, (this applies to all things in heaven, under the heavens and on earth); and every tongue must confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father" as in Bible verse below.

[Philippians 2:9‭-‬11 NKJV] — Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



Therefore I emphasize, based on the top Bible verse above that, "Worship can be commanded but not demanded:" Both Nebuchadnezzar, some other kings, and God Himself, have commanded worship by force and worshippers to worship "something else" or "someone else" but did not demand being worshipped by force. Worship is like Love: You don't demand it for yourself but command it for someone else. It's another person that will command or instruct others to love you or worship you, not you demanding it by force for your own self. Let your grace, attractions, virtues, evidence or messengers, command people to love you: but you concentrate on loving God and loving others apart from your own self.

Remember, Worship God or Love God is a commandment, even the greatest of commandments is to love God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength and being. But usually it's either a man of God or angel of God that would be saying this to you, not God saying it directly to you as if He's asking you to "Love Me" (First Person Pronoun). The closest to that is God commanding us or angels to worship or love His Son, Jesus Christ. As it is written,

[Hebrews 1:6 BSB'19] — "And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all God’s angels worship Him.”"

[Psalms 45:11 GW] — "The king longs for your beauty. He is your Lord. Worship Him."

And yet closest to that is the Lord Jesus Christ using "the Son" instead of using "Me" while indirectly asking men to honor Him.

[John 5:23] — "That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father who has sent Him."


I also emphasize based on the top Bible verse above that all musical instruments and sounds did not have to be worship songs and yet serve as "Worship Alarm" or "Worship Anthem" to that idol or to the devils even without lyrics.

Not all songs or musical sounds are worship songs among the true churches; but just those songs or sounds that come with lyrics, spoken words, bitrates, and sounds, that express worship, bowing down and giving oneself to God and to His Son in holiness and love.

You may have heard some songs that are called gospel or worship songs among Christians, but those songs have the bitrates and instrumental sounds of worldly music except the lyrics or wordings were changed into christian gospel or worship songs. Why should you use the combination bit sounds of secular or worldly music to serve as platform for your worship songs to God? No, don't. For even the bitrates, sound tempo, and structure of the music sounds, could already have been structured to glorify Satan or certain evil spirit.

My point is that even sounds, without lyrics or wordings, are connected to spirits, as in, either inviting or expelling spirits. Recall, David was just playing music sounds with harp, without any lyrics or spoken words, and that instrumental sounds alone from David's playing casted out evil spirit or demons from the anointed king or leader of God's Church (Israel). And evil spirits are cast out by the presence of Holy Spirit, meaning the Spirit of God was taking over from the evil spirits while David played sounds without lyrics.

So there are certain ways the sounds or beatings of Gospel/Worship music must go or must not go to qualify as worship to God or true gospel anthem apart from the lyrics. Infact, some keyboards already have pre-recorded sounds classified as, Disco, Reggae, Bluez, Classical, Rock, Funeral, etc sound modes. That's to tell you each sounds have calibrations that speak in tongues with meanings either to God, spirits, devils or prophecies.

It's easier for all kinds of music sounds to inspire worship to idols, gold (money) or anything else, apart from worshiping the true God, as in the top Bible verse above. True worship songs to the true God have instrumentals and lyrics that are inspirational, spiritual, seasoned with salt, and sanctification of the Holy Spirit of Truth.


Lastly, I emphasize based on the top Bible verse above that it was the Image of God (Son of God - Jesus Christ) that came to deliver those who refused to bow and worship the image statue of Nebuchadnezzar the king of kings then. When Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, defied the king and rejected the worship of the king's image, they were cast into the furnace of fire. While they were there, Nebuchadnezzar the king saw with them the Image of God whom he referred to as "The Son of God" or "Son of gods" or the "Fourth Person."

The Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, is He whom God has commanded us to bow down to worship and to confess Him as Lord. Never bow down to image of gold.

And as the Son of God, true Image of God to be worshipped, came to save those who would never bow down to another king's image, gold or fire, so will the Son of God come to save those who will not bow down to the image of the beast (antichrist) or his mark which the false prophet set up.

Thundafireseun:
God obviously never loved Adam and Eve

Apart from the Lord Jesus Christ, there's no man or woman that God loves more than Adam and Eve. No one else was made in the image of God apart from Adam and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

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THE FIRST BOOK OF ADAM AND EVE
1 ADAM+EVE - CHAPTER 32

1. AND Adam and Eve remained in the Cave of Treasures until the seventh day; they neither ate of the fruit of the earth, nor drank water.

The seventh day could perhaps be the Sabbath day, but it was the seventh day from the time Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden. And they had not yet eaten any fruit since they ate the forbidden fruit, neither had they drank any water: They were not even thinking about food or drink.

Actually, from the time they received the gold, incense and myrrh to the seventh day, they spent four days remaining in the Cave. That was an improvement for them who could hardly spend a night in that cave when it was dark and no golden rods, no incense and no myrrh, in the cave.

Darkness was more terrible than hunger or thirst on Adam and Eve: For they could abide a week without food and drink, but could not abide few days without light.

*2* And when it dawned on the eighth day, Adam said to Eve, "O Eve, we prayed God to give us somewhat from the garden, and He sent His angels who brought us what we had desired.

On the eight day, Adam shared the most encouraging testimony they have had yet since they sinned against God and fell out of the Garden of God. That testimony was that they prayed and asked God for something, and God sent His angels to bring to mankind what they desired.

To know that God still regards the prayer, and would even command his angels to do or give what those who sinned in the past desire of God and even much more than they asked or think of, gives assurance of reconciliation and forgiveness of sins.

Now, God has resumed answering their prayers, or should we say they just discovered "Prayers." Well no record in the Bible of Adam or Eve ever praying or asking God for anything before, and God granted their request. So it could be a new experience for them to get prayers answered to such degree of God sending Archangels and angels on errands to fulfill the desire of a man who simply prayed. Now Adam and Eve would explore further the wonders and discoveries of Prayers from their eighth day of being out of paradise but on this earth. Knowing that God answers our prayers gives us confidence with God. As it is written,

[1 John 5:14-15] — "And this is the confidence that we have before Him: If we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we already possess what we have asked of Him."

*3* "But now, arise, let us go to the sea of water we saw at first, and let us stand in it, praying that God will again be favourable to us and take us back to the garden; or give us something; or that He will give us comfort in some other land than this in which we are."

Having discover the power or influence of fervent prayer, Adam and Eve here would take prayer to deeper or higher levels. Adam proposed their prayer ground should be inside a sea of water (Not even on a mountain or be the gate of the garden, but inside a sea of water is where they should go and pray until something happens).

Their prayer point would be to give God three options for God to choose to do them:

*1* Option 1 — God in favor towards them should return them into the Garden (Paradise).

*2* Option 2 — God should give them something of value as compensation instead of the Garden if He would not take option 1.

*3* Option 3 — God should take them into another comfortable place or land if the option of the garden or thing of value is not available.

*4* Then Adam and Eve came out of the cave, went and stood on the border of the sea in which they had before thrown themselves, and Adam said to Eve:--

They came out of the cave and came to the bank of the sea where they once drowned themselves. Recall that they once drowned inside that sea, and an angel of God was sent to pull them out but the angel had no clue on how to revive drowned people who fainted inside massive waters.

*5* "Come, go down into this place, and come not out of it until the end of thirty days, when I shall come to thee. And pray to God with fervent heart and a sweet voice, to forgive us.

See Adam giving instruction to his wife, about the prayer and fasting. He practically instructed her to go into the sea and not come out for anything until one full month, praying and fasting inside the sea both day and night, in light and in darkness. And Adam her husband would even leave her alone and remain absent for 30 days praying also but in a different location from her.

It's like the Lord Jesus Christ would make His Disciples to remain somewhere watching and praying while He Himself would go yonder about a stone throw, isolated from them but to also be praying.

I used to know an adage that says, "A family that prays together stays together." Now I know it's not in praying together, but in agreeing together in prayers that matters most. People could be praying together or staying together to pray, and yet their prayers would be ineffective because they do not have agreement of prayer. And people could be in different countries apart praying in with agreement of prayer, and their prayers more effective than those who gathered together to pray.

See how the Lord Jesus separated His Disciples into different smaller groups with distance apart between groups, but asked them to pray at the same hour/ time but in different places. Or see how the only family on earth was not observing a family that prays together stays together, but instead Adam positioned his wife Eve in one strategic place while he moved to another strategic place to pray, but shared the same prayer points. Like Gideon's army of 300 men, separated into smaller groups and positioned in different strategic places to be light bearers and to raise their voices at the same time saying the same thing, but not staying together.

*6* "And I will go to another place, and go down into it, and do like thee."

Adam himself would go to another place inside the same sea, but doing the same thing Eve would be doing in different place in the sea. Can you beat that. That's multiplication.

Not like some prayer meeting wherein everyone is praying, and everyone is speaking in tongues to the point one hardly concentrates because even though speaking nonsense in the name of speaking in tongues are louder and there's commotion and confusing noises. And not like group prayers wherein one from the group say the prayers while others agree with saying Amen. Rather I speak of putting distance apart from one another so that the other may not even hear what you are saying in prayers, but yet both of you are saying the same things and doing the same things at the same time without seeing or hearing your prayer partner. Not one leading the prayers or one overshadowing the other or outpraying the other like the Pharisee who was loud in praying in the temple so that the tax collector would not be easily heard because of the self-righteousness of the Pharisee.

*7* Then Eve went down into the water, as Adam had commanded her. Adam also went down into the water; and they stood praying; and besought the Lord to forgive them their offence, and to restore them to their former state.

Eve was commanded by her husband to go into the sea and remain there praying for 30 days without coming out, night or day; and Eve did as Adam commanded. The weight of this is great.

It's command we are talking about here, not begging; and it's to enter and remain inside a sea day and night for 30 days. I would not doubt this is because I recall instructing a lady to walk while praying through a forest alone and late in the night without any light but just moon light about 18 years ago, and to my surprise she did walk alone through the valley of the shadow of death wherein creepy animals roamed, and she trusted in the Lord.

Somehow, I came to experience that women could give themselves more to faith and religious adventures without rationalizing things than the men I have led. Eve is the mother of all living, made by the Fingers of God. Many questions I have about women would be answered when I behold Eve in glory.

Will God not forgive them and restore them? I tell you, God already did. As it is written,

[Psalms 85:2-7] — "You forgave the iniquity of Your people; You covered all their sin. Selah You withheld all Your fury; You turned from Your burning anger. Restore us, O God of our salvation, and put away Your displeasure toward us. Will You be angry with us forever? Will You draw out Your anger to all generations? Will You not revive us again, that Your people may rejoice in You? Show us Your loving devotion, O LORD, and grant us Your salvation."

*8* And they stood thus praying, unto the end of the five-and-thirty days.

They even exceeded the 30 days, or stood in prayers for 5 weeks (35 days). It was not the 35 days that saw the ending of their praying; rather their praying saw the ending of the 35 days.

AntiChristian:
See the crowd he dey preach to!

Do you know the Bible didn't record almost anything about Jesus from just after birth till he reached 30 years?

Do you know Jesus preached while he was a few days old in the Qur'an and not the Bible?

Quran was not even existing when the Lord Jesus Christ walked the earth. Muhammad came about 6-7 centuries after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. How did the Quran that Muhammad who could neither read nor write brought, become what Jesus Christ preached from in infancy?


Besides, the Bible indeed recorded the summary of everything the Lord Jesus Christ did from infancy to about 30 years. The summary was this, "Jesus Christ grew in wisdom and Stature, and increased in favor with God and man."

At the age of 12, He taught the doctors and teachers in the temple, Wisdom, and they marveled. And He kept growing in Wisdom and literacy, unlike that idiot that could neither read nor write but published Quran he claimed an angel gave him.

VIRGINITY

I too am seeking for a virgin.

May God help me find this gift of God. Congratulations.

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WHEN GOD CONVICTS SINNER THAT FEELS RIGHTEOUS

[Genesis 3:17]

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. [NKJV]

And He said to the man, “You listened to your wife and ate the fruit which I told you not to eat. Because of what you have done, the ground will be under a curse. You will have to work hard all your life to make it produce enough food for you. [GNT]

Notice that God convicted Adam or showed Adam his fault first before or while making His ruling here.

*1* When God spoke with the Serpent, He did not convict the Serpent because the woman already convicted or indicted (accused rightly) the Serpent, which was adopted without argument or controversy.

*2* When God spoke with the Woman, He did not convict the Woman because the Man already convicted or indicted (accused rightly) the Woman, which was adopted without argument or controversy.

*3* But here as God spoke with the Man here, He first convicted the Man because no one or no conscience already convicted or indicted (accused rightly) the Man, who still felt he was blameless in the matter for he was not the actor but the pawn in the matter.

Here was God's conviction(s) to Adam: (Instead of one conviction now, it became two or more convictions because He allowed God to search him out Himself instead of him judging himself so that God would not have to judge him):

"a" — Convicted Adam of listened to his wife rather than to God.

Some think that the ears do not commit sin by hearing or listening, only the mouths are capable of committing sins: But the first sin of Adam the first human was the sin of listening or hearing to someone.

[Luke 8:18] — "Be careful therefore how you hear: for whoever has, to him shall be given; and whoever has not, from him shall be taken even that which he seems to have."

[Ecclesiastes 7:21] — "Do not pay attention to every word that is spoken, or you may hear your servant cursing you."



"b" — Convicted Adam of eating of the tree God told him not to eat, even though Adam did not touch the tree nor pluck the fruit from the tree.

What a great conviction or indictment! Instead of one, it became double transgressions against Adam. That is, Adam figuratively ate of the forbidden tree twice, though he did it once: One he listened to his wife when the wife already ate the fruit of that tree, and became like an extension of the forbidden tree to him. So as soon as his wife already ate of the forbidden tree, she was in transgression or she was metaphorically a part of the forbidden tree, and her hand was as a Branch of the forbidden tree extending the fruit to Adam. So, Adam listening to his wife after she was initiated then was already as Adam feeding from the forbidden tree… Well all these may not make sense to you now, but when you experience God's power of conviction or judgment interpreting/analyzing things to you, you would be amazed how things you thought were blameless or innocent suddenly become faulty and despicable. Ask Job who thought he was righteous and blameless until God massively convicted him, and he abhorred himself and repented in dust and ashes. Even Job claimed he was not hiding his sin as Adam was hiding according to "Job 31:33."

[Psalms 19:11-14] — "Moreover by them is Your servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. Who can understand his errors? cleanse You me from secret faults. Keep back your servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer."

Better judge yourself to avoid the Lord doing it Himself, and even when you judge yourself you may not see some errors in your spirit because you are relatively blind to some of your own errors or faults. Therefore, God's judgment is way better than yours, but still judge yourself and approach His judgment with humility.

[Proverbs 16:2] — "All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weighs the spirits."

There's an "Aura" everyone carries in his/her soul-spirit being, just as every man carries unique body odor. The aura of your soul-spirit being either reveals you are "foul spirit" or you are "pure/virtuous spirit" in divers degrees. The evil and uncleanness people do are written in the aura of their spirit-soul being forever, and the purity or fruits of the Spirit people bear are also written in the aura of their spirit-soul being forever. So it's hard to endure or stay with some people no matter how rich and wealthy they are in gold and material wealth, because they have foul aura and are repulsive, though they have prosperity.



"c" — Holding Adam responsible as the "Cause" for the "Curse" on the ground. The third way God convicted Adam was by putting blame on him or implicating Adam by holding Adam responsible for something that's about to get damaged or result from what he did in the past: It is called, "Imputing sin" on someone.

Shebi Adam think say him sabi push blame on the woman? God go teach am how to push blame.

For God cursed the ground for the sake of Adam: and then almost every man blamed Adam for the death and sufferings and for losing the first paradise, and even the ground blamed Adam for the curse on it, and so the ground rebelled against yielding easily to Adam's efforts. Infact, in the new testament, Paul blamed Adam couple of times, saying, "My one man's transgression, many were made sinners" or "In Adam, all men died." Etc.

Remember, Adam began blaming the Woman and the Lord who gave her to be with him for giving him the fruit: and Adam was feeling blameless. Now, God imputed blame implicating, indicting Adam as the cause or the reason for the fall of mankind and the ground for his sake, all the days of his life before he died. But thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ, who took away the sins of Adam and the sins of all men upon Himself and died to end sins.

MightySparrow:
Which? Pastor or Sheikh?



In case of any misunderstanding, Bible enjoins ona to deal with women with wisdom as of weaker vessel; Quran asks the man to beat them according to their stubbornness.

Where in the Quran? I want to see the verse.

MaxInDHouse:
People everywhere are doing this today but it's a pity that they don't know!

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If you do whose image was lifted up before you start reciting or making pledges?

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GOSPEL IN THE PENALTY AGAINST THE WOMAN AND HER RELATIONSHIPS

[Genesis 3:16]

To the woman He said, I will greatly increase your sorrow and your conception. In pain you shall bear children, and your desire shall be toward your husband, and he shall rule over you. -- [Genesis 3:16]

To the woman He said, “I will greatly increase your pain from conception to labor. In pain will you give birth to children. Your desire will be toward your husband, yet he must rule over you.” -- [Genesis 3:16 TLV]

God Himself said this to the Woman, and consider the severity of the statement: for in our days there are social civilizations that would consider this as inappropriate thing to say or to do to a woman. Such philosophy includes, “You don’t hit a woman, you don’t make a woman cry, you don’t disrespect a woman, you don’t put a woman to sorrow and painful labors for that’s domestic violence and abuse, you don’t force a woman to be subject to the man/husband because that’s removing women’s right against woman’s emancipation and gender equality, etc.”

To some extent I agree with them, for Adam should never say or do those things to the Woman or to his wife, Eve (the Bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh). But while a man should not say or do that, God Himself is the Judge and Lord of all, and He alone could say and do those and even more to Women both here on earth, in death and in hell fire. I tell you, before God began the punishment of the man, He began the punishment of the woman. Woman first received the wrath of God before Man did; and averagely, more women are receiving God’s judgment than the men.

I am inspired to write this to warn women who think that God is like the society where women are treated like goddesses and queens, and favored above the men. The Lord God is the Righteous Judge, and He judges both male and female, men and women, weak and strong, each person is righteously judged according to his/her deeds and roles. Woman, you are not getting away with the things you do against the man or against the Word of God; and Man, you are not getting away with the things you do against the woman or against the Word of God. God is no respecter of men, neither is God a respecter of women, in God’s righteous judgment.

So a man must never maltreat his wife nor even do what God is doing to her in the top Bible Verse above: It’s not a man’s thing to do, but God’s thing to do. Let God judge between you and your wife or your husband, not you judging your wife or your husband by your own self. Like Sarah said to Abraham her husband, “…the LORD judge between me and you.” She said this because Abraham was gaining another woman in a way that meant robbing or defrauding the first woman, Sarah, his wife. You see she did not take the law into her hands, neither did she take Abraham to court or law enforcement agents to settle them; but she allowed the LORD to be the judge between she and her husband.

And the danger with man maltreating his wife includes, “The man’s prayers shall be blocked or hindered” and “The man’s faith is cut off and he is considered worse than infidel or worse than unbeliever” before God. Imagine Abraham that was supposed to be a great example of faith, suddenly become worse than unbeliever simply because he did not provide for his wife and family as the Lord Jesus Christ loved and nourished His Church.

-- [1 Peter 3:7 TLV] -- In the same way, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way. Though they are weaker partners, honor them as equal heirs of the grace of life. In this way, your prayers will not be hindered.

Sarah’s was example of a wife maltreated by her husband, but she let the LORD be the judge between she and her husband without letting any other man into the secret of her husband seeing another woman to the point that the woman he’s sleeping with is robbing or maltreating her in her own matrimony. What of example of a husband maltreated by his wife, and he did not take laws into his own hand to either fight, beat or oppress her, but he only reported her to the Lord God, who became the Judge between him and his wife? That was Adam, who reported Eve his wife to God; and God judged her in the top bible verse above. According to Adam, “The woman (wife) You gave to be with me gave me of the forbidden tree, and I ate.” Though Adam’s fault was that he listened to his wife more than he listened to God, yet because he had reported his wife to God the Judge He must punish her as the Lord must punish the Church that is not subject to Him but feeds His people with things offered to idols (wrong doctrines) and fornication (worldliness).

To the woman He said, I will greatly increase your sorrow and your conception. In pain you shall bear children, and your desire shall be toward your husband, and he shall rule over you. -- [Genesis 3:16]

In comparing and contrasting with that which the LORD God said to the Serpent before, let me make these two points under this top bible verse above:

*1* This Penalty against the Woman came without previous warning like the one that came against the Serpent. This is to imply that there was no previous “Warning” nor “Precedence” that such punishment would befall him or her for doing what they did. The only previous warning of God was against eating of the forbidden tree, with assurance of death to man if he eats of the forbidden tree. But no previous warning of God about what will befall the person who would seduce, deceive or give another person false/wrong doctrines or immorality of eating it. Therefore, neither the Serpent nor the Woman saw the Penalties coming against their giving wrong advice, wrong doctrines, misleading information or seduction of the other person. They taught the penalties or consequences would only affect the people who broke the commandment, not knowing they who taught, deceived or seduced the people shall also be dealt with more severely with unseen and unheard curse, sorrow, pains etc.

*2* This Penalty against the Woman would affect her in relationship with the man like the one that came against the Serpent affected the Serpent in relationship with the woman and her Seed. The relationship between the Serpent and the Woman was turned into enmity. But between the woman and her husband, the relationship is not enmity but with complications in affinity inspite of sorrows involved in her desire for the man and for childbearing. She would have to bear pains, sorrows or sufferings, not from enemies or strangers this time, but from her own family husband and fruit bearing. Therefore, the penalty against the woman brought complications in relationships between the woman and her own body (menstruations and complications of conceptions), and between the woman and her own husband.

Nevertheless, her labor comes with reward for it; it is not laboring in vain, but laboring and bearing in gain. Gain is the fruit of the Woman’s endurance and labor, not Vain. God had to turn her sorrows into joy and gain because of us the Church and disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ yet to come. As it is written,

-- [John 16:20-22 MKJV] -- Truly, truly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice. And you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. The woman has grief when she bears, because her hour has come. But when she brings forth the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, because of the joy that a man is born into the world. And therefore you now have sorrow. But I will see you again, and your heart will rejoice, and no one will take your joy from you.

Ezekiel 4:13

And Jehovah said, Even so shall the sons of Israel eat their defiled bread among the nations, where I will drive them.
-- [MKJV]

Then the LORD said, “In the same way, the people of Israel will eat unclean bread among the nations where I scatter them.”
-- [GW]

That is the Communication (prophecy) in the Communion of the defiled bread, which the man of God was showing forth to the people. Even though the LORD was the One talking all this while in Ezekiel 4, yet the Bible verse above had to specially mention, “Then the LORD said” as if this statement was to be given special notice from what the LORD had been saying before it.

There is emphasis to this which the LORD (Jehovah) said in the bible verse above, more especially because it may sound odd to some people to believe the most “HOLY ONE” could actually speak or make people eat unclean bread or do unholy things. The Holiness of God does not approve His people doing or eating anything unholy or defiled, but the Judgment of God gives/grants to people exactly who they are and then when “Who they are” is added to them they advance in doing or eating even unholy things in defilements and pollutions. Remember, the doves feed on clean foods, the swine/pigs or worms feed on unclean foods; some dogs have instincts of going back to eat their own vomits; some vultures have instincts of scavenging on dead and rotten meats, etc.: The LORD God made them all, not necessarily the Devil.

I have come to know God as He who sanctifies but He also gives to people “who they are” and “who they become:” He helps people become Clean/Holy if those people chose that for themselves and He also help people become unclean/defiled if those people chose that for themselves. Therefore, choose “who you are” and “who you want to become” because He will grant you who you are/choose. He had set before us these:

[Revelation 22:11] - He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

God will grant who you are to you: If you are filthy God will grant you to be filthy, and if you are holy God will grant you to be holy.

I saw on Twitter (x) a clip where man practically opened his own mouth while lying on the floor with his eyes closed facing upward, and a woman squatting over his face practically defecated or excreted her shit directly into the man’s mouth as if his mouth was a pit latrine, and the woman made the man eat her shit. All kinds of uncleanness, defilements, abuses of one’s body, perversion, desecration, defilement, out there in the world; and people call those things funs, pleasures, enjoyments or freedom.

So how does God grant “who you are” or “who you become” to you? By either allowing you without restraining you if you chose the evil/unholy or by giving you the sound “mind” or right “spirit/heart” if you chose the right/holy. These include: “Harden Heart” like Pharaoh’s, “Another Heart” that changed Saul as soon as he left Samuel or that came to Nebuchadnezzar during his being converted into animal, allowing “Strong Delusion/Lies” or “Reprobate Mind” like those allowed for the ungodly people who do not like to retain God in their knowledge so that they could go on doing all kinds of sexual perversions, immorality, desecrations of themselves and their own bodies in sexual fantasies etc. As it is written,

-- [Romans 1:24-28 MKJV]
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. For they changed the truth of God into a lie, and they worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this cause, God gave them up to dishonorable affections. For even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; males with males working out shamefulness, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error. And even as they did not think fit to have God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do the things not right,

Daniel proposed in his heart not to defile himself with the king’s meat or the king’s wine, and God helped Daniel not to eat unclean food even in strange land where he was taken to. But that king that ate the king’s meat and drank that wine that defiles was later given another heart when he was driven from human mind into dwelling as beast among animals to eat grasses like oxen.

In the top Bible verse above, the LORD said that the people of Israel shall be driven out of their land into strange lands where they shall eat defiled or unclean food, even as shown by Ezekiel. And by eating those defiled food shall they be defiled (unclean) – The saying “not what goes into a man defiles him but what comes out of the man,” did not apply – for by eating the defiled or unclean food in the strange land they were defiled or made unclean. As it is written,

[Hosea 9:3-4] - The people of Israel will not remain in the LORD's land, but will have to go back to Egypt and will have to eat unclean and defiled food in Assyria. In those foreign lands they will not be able to make wine offerings to the LORD or bring their sacrifices to Him. Their food will defile everyone who eats it, like food eaten at funerals. It will be used only to satisfy their hunger; none of it will be taken as an offering to the LORD's Temple.

jom28gy:
From which book are you making reference from?

From the Books of Inspirations.

EZEKIEL 4:12

[FBV] — You are to eat the bread as you would a barley loaf. You are to bake it over a fire burning dried human excrement as everyone watches.” [Ezekiel 4:12 FBV]

[BSB] — And you shall eat the food as you would a barley cake, after you bake it over dried human excrement in the sight of the people.” [Ezekiel 4:12 BSB]

Symbolism and message in both how the man of God was to baked this bread and how he was to eat this bread in the very presence of the people, makes it a communion: Except that:

1 The Bread is not a "Hallowed Bread" but "Defiled Bread."

2 The Mass is not a "Memorial or Remembrance" of things done in the past but a "Prophecy" of things yet to come in future, when it becomes the turn of the people to partake in fulfilling of its substance though now they see only Ezekiel partaking thereof.

3 The Show : — In the old covenant, the Hallowed Bread is also called "Show-Bread" meant only for priests, though David and his men ate the "Show Bread" without being priests as the Lord Jesus Christ alluded in His advocative defense of His own disciples eating unlawfully on a Sabbath day (1 Samuel 21:6, Luke 6:1-5). In the new testament, the Holy Communion is also meant to be a "Show." That is, not eating in secret but eating openly to make a "Show of the Lord's Death till He comes:" — Thus it's also a Show or Display for it to be a Communion.

And in the top Bible verse above, Ezekiel was instructed to both bake the cake and eat the Bread as a "Show in the Sight of the People," and thus a Communion, notwithstanding the bread be defiled.

The Show included:— showing the people's sight how the Bread baked with defiled fire and smoke; for it's neither a gas-cooker nor kerosene stove, but a local oven that should burn human feases first and then by burning human shit the smelling heat and odorous smoke would then burn/bake the bread to be eaten as baked Barley Bread. This means that fire should burn both the food that had passed through a human body's digestive system and the food that was yet to pass through another man's digestive system, together.

The fire would heat both the unclean food and the clean food, and by this the clean food is defiled. Hence, "Defiled Bread." For unclean dung would be joined into the fire that would minister heat or energy to the clean food, thereby corrupting or defiling the clean food.

[Haggai 2:11‭-‬14 ICB] — “This is what the Lord of heaven’s armies says: ‘Ask the priests what the teachings say. A person might carry meat made holy for the Lord in the fold of his clothes. And that fold might touch bread, cooked food, wine, olive oil or some other food. Will the thing the fold touches be made holy for the Lord, too?’” The priests answered, “No.” Then Haggai said, “A person who touches a dead body will become unclean. If he touches any of these foods, will it become unclean, too?” The priests answered, “Yes. It would become unclean.” Then Haggai answered, “The Lord says this: ‘This is also true for the people of this nation. They are unclean, and everything they do with their hands is unclean to Me. If these people offer something at the altar to Me, it is also unclean.