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drlateef:
The first evidence against your position is that bible has no single author. And even if there’s a single author, that author is not claiming to be God. That’s what kills your arguments.

That's not evidence against but evidence for. That's authentication. It means there are several witnesses, not just one man making all the claims.

In court, one man being a witness or laying claim without another witness, undermines his evidence or claims. But the more there are other independent witnesses, testifiers, testimonies, to an event the more a matter is established.

Bible and Quran no be mate. Quran is just one book, but Bible is a collation of 66 Books and more numbers of Non-Cannon Books.

Even if you are to compare with your Quran, then compare Quran with just one book of the bible and not the whole Bible.

Quran is just one book by one prophet you consider as Allah's Prophet, but I consider him as "Antichrist or false prophet."

If it is one book + one author you need, then take one book of the Bible, say book of John, then that is one Book + one author.

But Bible as a whole is a "Library of Books" of different authors, who were all Prophets of God and they received their revelations/inspirations from God.

drlateef:
There is no knowledge, No understanding that is greater than true revelation from the God of mankind, the creator of mankind. No human beings can conjure fake inspirations that can be compared to divine revelation. I choose divine revelation over human inspirations which they dubiously label as word of God. You require the grace of Allah for you to be able to understand what I have said. Because satan binds the mind of unbelievers so long as they refuse to search for truth.

I understand what you said, and I agree with you. But we are on two different sides. You are on the side that views Christians as the unbelievers under Satan's bonds, thinking your own religion is the revelation of God. But reverse is the case. True Christians are the ones with the true revelations of God the Creator, while you Muslims are the unbelievers with minds bound by Satan.

We understand sincere Muslims' zeal for God the Creator, and there are good Muslims who fear God better than some Christians who do not fear God. But my point is that you Muslims got it all wrong in two most critical Areas:

1. — "Your Perception of God — The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit."

2. — "The Ways of Salvation."


My topic was on why no Muslim is saved. Salvation is something that's different from righteousness or religious observations such as the pillars of Islam, Zakat, fasting and prayer, etc. It's like Jesus Christ said to the Samaritan woman:


[John 4:22] — "You Samaritans worship what you don’t know. We worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews."


Notice it was not just about who they worshiped or prayed to, but about "Salvation." Though by then there was nothing like Muslim or Islam because Muhammad was not yet born till about 500 years later. You can say the same thing about Muslims today who are like those Samaritans, worshiping without knowledge of salvation.

Salvation is the Revelation and Grace that is not found in Islam. The Gospel of Salvation is the Revelation of God through the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God. You need the Savior or Messiah.

Quran called Jesus Christ "Messiah" (Savior) but did not give you details of why His role as the Messiah or Savior is important to you and to all men. Why should God send a Messiah, Son of Mary? Why did He come, then returned to heaven, and then will come back again to Judge the world? Why did Mohammad dubiously mentioned the "Titles" and "Special Differences" of Man called Jesus Christ, but denied telling you how your life and salvation will depend on Him? The Jesus Christ came before Muhammad was born, and will return again after Muhammad was long dead and been in hell fire.

Even inside your Quran, you were told by Muhammad to listen and read the Bible Books of the Prophets, Psalms and the Gospels of Jesus Christ. So why should you now say those books are not the revelation of God?

drlateef:
It is obvious God did not reveal any of those statements you quoted. And you are using statements of human beings to judge muslims who are being guided by direct revelation from God? Don’t you see that you are wasting your time and energy in a fake religion?

That right there, "Not" or "No" is that evil spirit of unbelief inside Muslims. The spirit of unbelief that denied the Son of God, calling Him Messiah son of Mary or prophet of Allah. That same evil spirit of unbelief that denied Jesus Christ was actually killed or crucified, or rose from the dead. That's the same evil spirit of unbelief that deceived Mohammad and millions of hardened Muslims with Qurans, Hadiths, Sunnis, and five pillars of Islam.

Why are you people religiously zealous, but lack knowledge and understanding? How are you that are the deceived see us as the deceivers?

Gaabasky:
I can't even blame u, the Christianity u are following u don't even understand it. The Jesus Christ is not reflecting in your ways of life. So go and pray n try to know Jesus well first

Well, I am not following Christianity, but following Christ. My goal is not to understand Christianity, but to understand Christ Jesus. To know Him.

You trying to understand Christians or Christianity have kept you from coming closer to knowing the Son of God and the power of His Resurrection.

I don't know how you saw my way of life to measure the reflection of Jesus Christ in my ways of life, but I will still pray to know Jesus Christ better every day.

Philippians 3:10 — "That I may know Him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable to His death;"


It will take eternity to fully know the Lord.

But I will also say you should do the same and do exactly as you advise me to do.

BloomingDale:
Dude, you are literally under mass control and hypnosis.

Deut 4:28
And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

The religions of wood and stone: Christianity, symbolized by the wooden cross that Jesus died on, and Islam, who worships a black stone housed at the Kaaba in Mecca

"There"

[Deuteronomy 4:28-29] — "And [b]there you shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. But if from there you shall seek the LORD your God, you shall find Him, if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul."
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We do not serve woods or stones in Christianity; neither does a Wooden Cross symbolize Christianity. Granted, there are few sects or groups in Christianity that use Cross, crucifixes, and sculptured images as symbols in their temples. But true Christianity has nothing physical as symbol because Christianity is not a religion but relationship, truth and life, by the Spirit of Christ Jesus.

Save your soul by the Savior Himself. His grace is available.

StreetFight:
You quoted your Bible written by Europeans to prove that the Europeans religion is the way to the Europeans' Heaven.

You will never see Muslims going about and dragging you not to go to Hell, it's your personal business, only your idiots go about forcing people to your Heaven.

Well, I am a Muslim who has been baptized at three different Churches at different times. If you get power pass me, and you chest me, I will report you to Ogun, Sango, Obatala, Aiyelala and Esu Odara because both the Arab God and the European God are too Merciful

Though Bible Books has many divers authors or writers, none of them was an European. Europeans only helped in translation of the bible from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, into Latin, English and other European and world languages.

The Bible was not written by European, and the God of the Bible existed before Europe and Ethiopia (Africa) were born. Heaven is not European. Do not introduced Racism or Tribalism into the matters of God and heaven or Christianity

Muslims may not be going about dragging people not to go to hell because they do not even know where they are headed. Have you seen a blind man dragging another blind man not to fall into the same pit they are headed?

Nevertheless, I have experienced Muslims calling me from Saudi Arabia and begging me to convert into Islam, promising me some riches or gifts if I convert.

The reason Christian Evangelists do drag people not to go to hell fire is not because we want to populate Christianity, but because we are messengers of Salvation sent to help the blind and save the lost. It will be wicked to see someone going into destruction and not tell/warn the person. We Christians are not in competition with any religion for population. Our Goal is to preach and warn you, so that we are sure you are aware or heard the message. Then after hearing, whether you believe or not, is none of our business because we have done our part. But if you have questions or concerns, then bring them up and we will answer your questions and solve your riddles. If you still choose to call White black or deny the Son of God because of one Mohammad that founded Islamic movements, then your are on your own and you shall have no excuse in the final Judgment.

Christians do not use guns or physical weapons to intimidate people into their religion. We only use "Words of Power and Grace." We are not even preaching religion, but marketing the Lord and true Savior, Jesus Christ the Son of God and the true God among men.

Your being a Muslim that's baptized in three churches, but serving the gods of Ogun, Sango, Obatala, Aiyelala and Esu Odara, shows you are confused. The true God is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, and all things therein. He is above Racism, Tribalism or Traditional deities associated with segmented cultures and traditions of your ancestors who were in darkness.

Europeans have moved away from idols or traditional/cultural dieties (demons), and whom you referring as European God is actually the God of all the earth including the God of the Arabians.

Indeed, God is merciful and gracious. No power is stronger than the Mercy and Grace of God in the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God and Savior to all men who come to Him.

BloomingDale:
Christianity, the highest form of witchcraft.

Christianity is not a craft, not craftsmanship and not craftiness. Christianity is Life, Truth and Way, of One Person, Jesus Christ. It's all Him, through Him, with Him, and inside Him.

drlateef:
Among all the rubbish you quoted from your bible, show me one single statement that God Himself, or Jesus himself wrote? I am not asking you to quote what another person wrote. If you cannot do that, then you need your brain examined at Yaba left.

Are you expecting God to use His Finger to write it Himself visibly for you to read?

The Whole Creation is God's Handwriting because they are God's Handiworks. When God writes, He does not just make inscriptions but makes life and movements as living things. It's like God's Writings are Living Epistles, and the Letters immediately come alive as movies, dreams, visions or realities. God's Handwriting are not static like we humans do, but they immediately come alive. So a mere man cannot even read or understanding what God has written Himself, unless by the prophets of God or interpreters.

What you see prophets write in scriptures are basically translation of what God wrote but were seen as visions, revelations, inspirations, dreams, signs and wonders, etc.

If you were a Christian, I would have directed to see the Book of Revelation 5 and 6, about a Book (Scroll) God wrote, and no man could either take the book from God or open the seals. When Jesus Christ alone did succeed to open that Book God wrote with His Fingers, loosing the 7 seals, the Letters were automatically translating themselves into animation of events happening, e.g, the four horsemen and their impacts on earth, the earthquakes, the famines, etc. I tell you, you cannot stand the Handwriting on the wall written with the Finger of God.

God wrote the ten commandments on a tablets of stones, but ordinary men cannot even read or look at the tablets of stones inside the Ark because that would kill them to even touch the Ark containing a set of stones with God's Handwriting.

So bros, people have tried and begged Moses to be receiving the messages directly from God and then translate to them because they couldn't receive directly from God.

Scriptures (Bible) were written by the inspiration of God but with the hands of men. For you to read and understand at the level of mankind.

Was Quran written by Allah?

Moh247:




Biblical verses were written by atleast 40 men with different opinions and non can verify who among them God sent to write on his behalf

Mathew was described to be like modern day MC Oluomo a tax collector

Some of the author were uneducated farmers, fishermen who gave their writings after the death if Jesus who they betrayed during crucifixion

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That's even more reason Bible verses are reliable, having divers authors, writers and witnesses, across all ages and generations. If different and unconnected people are saying things in agreement based on their divers experiences, yet they were all pointing to one Man as the Son of God, then that is better authentication to that.

While would you prefer a book written by just one prophet instead of an "Open Source" collation of divers Prophets in different timelines? Can you compare a website built by just one man with another website that is open sourced and have divers and multiple professioners imputing and joining heads together?

immanuelsize:
don't allow me to call you shameless he-goat. Where in the bible does it says that whoever that disvirgin a girl must marry her or the girl has automatically becomes his wife? Everytime una go carry this hell fire of a thing like una be God's assistant. Do you even know the meaning of adultery?

[Exodus 22:16-17] — “Whenever a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and has sexual intercourse with her, he must pay the bride-price and marry her. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must pay an amount of money equal to the bride-price for virgins."



[Deuteronomy 22:28-29] — "If a man encounters a virgin who is not pledged in marriage, and he overpowers her and rapes her, and they are discovered, the man who raped her must pay the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she must become his wife because he has violated her. He must not divorce her as long as he lives."


Whoever defiles or deflowers a virgin must marry her or pay full bride price on her head.

Whoever divorces or dumps his wife/girl that was a virgin after he disvirgined her, shall be regarded as adulterer and shall not find peace until he makes restitution.

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1 ADAM+EVE 14:3 — Again said God to Adam, "All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you.

No amount of paying for sin frees a sinner from Satan the devil, neither does certain amount of suffering and grieving for the mistake enough to deliver one from Satan. If they could, then by now those who have been suffering in hell fire for thousands of years should have suffered enough and be freed. Therefore, discountenance the doctrines of "Purgatory" or "Penance."

Nevertheless, suffering for sin frees a man from sin. Meaning suffering for sin will set a man free from that sin and get him liberated from that particular sin's lust, addiction or guilt.

[1 Peter 4:1-2] — "For as much then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God."

[Romans 6:6-7] — "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."

Therefore behold the difference between "Set free from Sin" and "Set free from Satan."

Getting set free from Sin does not mean getting set free from Satan. Satan does not release his prisoners, neither does the devil set anyone free from his captivity, even if the captive (prisoner) has suffered enough and paid fully for his sins [Isaiah 14:17]. Therefore to set anyone free from Satan the Devil, requires more than being free from Sin to requiring having the Stronger Man than Satan to defeat Satan and then plunder or spoil Satan by taking away those prisoners of Satan and setting them free. Jesus Christ the Son of God is the Strongest Man, and the Savior: and if the Son shall set you free, you shall be free indeed (John 8:36). Asked:

[Mark 3:26-27] — "And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house."

This is why "No Muslim or believer in Islam" shall be delivered from Satan unless by the Son of God and Savior, Jesus Christ the Lord. Look, why God was telling Adam that in this Adam+Eve Verse above, is to make it clear to Adam that his deliverance or salvation is bigger than his own righteousness and suffering for sin. His Salvation is way too much bigger than his righteousness. Someone has to come to deliver Adam and mankind from Satan, and He who is to come is God Himself manifest as Jesus Christ the Son of God and Son of man.

So no matter how much a righteous man or a good Muslim has been, he must still need Jesus Christ to be saved or delivered from second Death and from Satan. Who men say Jesus Christ is to them, impacts directly to how much He can save or do for them:

— №*— If men (or Muslims) say or believe Jesus Christ is a Prophet but not the Son of God, Jesus Christ would only do for them what a prophet can do and nothing else. And that position of a prophet cannot deliver a man from Satan. Even John the Baptist held a position greater than or more than a prophet to be able to prepare the Way for the Lord because a prophet cannot do what John the Baptist was called to do [Luke 7:26-27]. So Muslims who say they respect Jesus Christ as a Prophet of God have greatly reduced or insulted Jesus Christ to a position of a prophet, which was less than John the Baptist. Jesus Christ as merely a prophet cannot deliver or save you from Satan or death, nor rise from the dead on His own.

— №**— If men (or Jehovah's witnesses) say or believe Jesus Christ is an Angel or first created of God but not the Son of God, Jesus Christ would only do for them what an Angel can do and nothing else. And that position of an Angel higher than Lucifer the Cherub held can deliver a man from Satan when it's unlawful, but the same position of an Angel cannot deliver a man from Satan when it is lawful. It therefore means, for any great angel of God to succeed in saving or delivering any man from Satan, the Angel(s) would first check the Law of God or the Constitution: if the Law empowered Satan to hold the man in captivity within the law, the Angels cannot go against the Law themselves to save/deliver the man less the Angels become transgressors of the Law themselves, like fallen angels.

— №***— If men (or true Christians) say or believe Jesus Christ is God Himself manifest in Flesh as the Son of God or Son of man, Jesus Christ becomes their Lord and Savior to the uttermost and fullness, with or without the Law. Jesus Christ does not consider what the Law is saying before saving or delivering any one from Satan, so that whether it's lawful for Satan to hold them captive by any law, choices, agreement, covenant or oath, they made earlier with Satanists or the devil, immediately they believe and call upon the Lord Jesus Christ crucified, the Son of God, to save or deliver them, He comes in and delivers them breaking laws or protocols to set them free indeed. As it is written,

[Isaiah 49:24-26] — "Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered? But thus said the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contends with you, and I will save your children. And I will feed them that oppress you with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob."

That phrase, "The Mighty One of Jacob" also means "He is a Descendant of Jacob, or a Son of man from Jacob's Lineage." So the same God who is the LORD, the Savior, the Redeemer, is the Son of man, the Man of Jacob, the Man of Nazareth, that Man of Galilee.

Not as if He breaks His Law to save or deliver, but that He fulfilled or finished the Law by His death on the Cross when He said, "It is finished." Therefore, rising from the dead He does not have to look at the Law anymore to do anything. There's nothing left in the Law for Jesus Christ to fulfill again after His Resurrection. His resurrection means He's now in a side or levels where "No Pro-Death Law" or "No Pre-Death Law" can apply to Him any longer. He is now above the Law, and above all laws.

[Colossians 2:14-15] — "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

[Galatians 3:13-14] — "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

immanuelsize:
see as you dey pround dey brag say she be virgin. I was the one that disvirgin my ex and uptil today, she still dey pretend to her parents that she is a virgin and they believed her just the way your daughter dey lie give you that she is still a virgin and you believe her. Impossible!!!

If you were the one who disvirgined her, you should marry her. She's your wife by blood covenant. If you reject/divorce her after you defiled her virginity, and you marry another woman, you are committing adultery for the rest of your life, and your end is eternal death in the lake of fire.

Reading from Mark's Gospel:

[Mark 10:11] — "And he said to them, Whoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, commits adultery against her."

franchasofficia:
Obidient is better than sacrifice

It's not "Obidient" but "Obedience" that's better than sacrifice. Therefore do not reduce/misrepresent the truth of scripture because of taking sides in human conflicts or partisan politics.

HanisahZuwy:
Who told you women urinate with the vagina?


How do I regain my virginity and also feel like one? I'm in regrets.


Please, how can I regain my virginity? Or how do I at least feel like one. I really regret losing my virginity. That's one of my regrets in life. I wish it never happened. And I really wish I can get it back. Please, I want to know. Is there anything I can do or take to have the semblance of a virgin? Or at least get it back to some reasonable extent.

The Lord Jesus Christ sanctifies and makes all things new and holy through cleansing. By Him and in Him through His Word, shall you be made chaste again for real.

EmiDior:
My ex was virgin thou

If you were the one who disvirgined her, you should marry her. She's your wife by blood covenant. If you reject/divorce her after you defiled her virginity, and you marry another woman, you are committing adultery for the rest of your life, and your end is eternal death in the lake of fire.

Reading from Mark's Gospel:

[Mark 10:11] — "And he said to them, Whoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, commits adultery against her."

EZEKIEL 1:18

As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. — [Ezekiel 1:18 AKJV]

As for their rims, they were so high that they were dreadful, and the four had their rims full of eyes round about. [Ezekiel 1:18 AMPC]


The rims or rings of the eternal Wheels are not just having our attention, but also having our occupation as the central focus in this stanza. These are rims (rings) by which the eternal Wheels are mobilized, and by which they run in the structure of their mobility.

According to this Bible verse above, the rims of the Wheels were so high making them dreadful or fearful; and they were full of eyes all around them. Dealing each focal substance separately, I hereby subdivide both into 2 distinct focus: "THEIR HIGHNESS" and "THEIR EYEDNESS."

THE HIGHNESS OF THOSE RIMS

Hear this story for illustration. There was day a woman was walking with her little daughter of about 3 years old, and they were walking through a road construction site. There were plants or heavy-duty machines (construction trucks) of usual (uncommon) designs, parked by. As the woman was walking with the little girl, crossing one of those heavy duty trucks close by, the little girl was looking sideward, looking at the nearest heavy duty truck near her. Suddenly, she began to cry aloud with fear and practically trembling, because she was so terrified at the sight of the truck even though the truck was not even moving or ignited. Up till now, I still picture that incident, how the little girl cried as if the truck was a beast running to devour her, and how her mother quickly carried her up in her arms and quickly moved away from the trucks that stood there.

Even I, felt a little fear at the sight of that truck when I first saw its type, and the construction company that usually have such uncommon trucks and plants for heavy duties in construction in that province was a company called, "Julius Berger," from Germany and so were those trucks from Germany.

That truck was a "Dumper" designed like a "Pickup of a Bulldozer" having face like the face of an angry lion; but what gave it more dreadfulness or fearfulness was the highness in the size of their Wheels or Tyres. Other kinds of trucks, dumpers or tippers, have their heads above their front tyres (wheels), but this particular kind of truck & Dumper had Tyres that was exalted above the seat of the trucks' heads. Meaning their heads were not sited above the tyres to overshadow the tyres, neither were the tyres under the head of the truck. A Driver or operator of the head of the truck could still be seeing the top of the tyres in his front while driving/operating the truck. Infact, the four tyres and their rims (rings) occupied more volume in that truck than most of the other components in it. Having an outward diameter of about six feets or two metres, those tyres and wheels were designed to not fear rough roads or bad grounds.

Behold, the Rims [Tyre-Rings] of the Eternal Wheels were so high that even the seer and prophet, Ezekiel, was intimidated. Their highness inspires fear and dreads at the sight of them. The dreadfulness, fearfulness, that their highness inspires will prevent a mortal man from even taking measurement or comparison of their size, even as Ezekiel could not fathom how high in measure they were.

I have heard some people say they are scared of heights, and would not climb up a height or even fly on planes because they think they are scared of heights. But really, they are not scared of heights but scared of depths. It's the depth created by the height that gets them scared and afraid, because they are afraid of falling. So supposing they are on the ground at no height position, but suddenly a deep hole opens up into a pit, they would still be scared by the edge of the pit though there was no height. So their being scared of heights was actually being scared of depths or scared of falling.

Behold, Here is the true meaning of being scared at Highness, even in that which Ezekiel the prophet felt at the highness of the rims of the eternal Wheels. Such also is the fearfulness connected at the Highness of the Throne of God, and the dreadfulness of the Highness of God who is Higher than the highest.

He who experiences this true meaning of being scared at Highness will feel within himself that he is like a grasshopper in comparison to the highness being related. As it is written,

[Numbers 13:33] — "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

Even so, when all the nations of this world see the Most High God sited on His High and Lofty Throne on high, all nations shall feel as grasshoppers before Him. As it is written,

[Isaiah 40:22] — "It is He that sits on the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:"


THE EYEDNESS OF THOSE RIMS

Have you not been to, and inside, a building or a vehicle, wherein almost all corners of the house or vehicle have Cameras, CCTVs or Forensic Scanners?

Well, God decorated His Rabim and His Rims with far more sophisticated and efficient Cameras, Scanners, CCTVs, Satellites, etc, which are spiritual called "Eyes" in connection with God's Throne. But they are not just for decoration, but for Security. There is no place in any realm that has more cameras or eyes than those around the very Throne of God and those Living Creatures who guard and minister to the Throne of God. The Living Creatures, their Wheels and Rims, all have Body-Cams called "Eyes."

But why are those Eyes so many round about such highly sized Rims and more?

Because each of those Eyes do neither turn nor run to and fro, trying to do the works in multitasking: Rather each of those Eyes is focus on a single point. And so to cover all points, more Eyes as much as necessary are needed in order for each Eye to focus on just one or single point. Hence, their "EYEDNESS" because their Eye is Single, though numerous. Find the meaning of "Eyedness" in dictionary.

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DANIEL 1:16

"Thus Melzar took away the portion of their meat, and the wine that they should drink; and gave them vegetables."

Thus the steward took away their portion of delicacies and the wine that they were to drink, and gave them vegetables. [Daniel 1:16 NKJV]

In this Bible verse above, a steward (Melzar by name) took away some people's portions of rich food and wine, and replaced them with vegetables. Was the steward doing those people a robbery or he was doing them a favor? That was a favor disguised as a robbery. A robbery could be turned into favor to those deprived.

The portion which the steward Melzar took away from them were "Their Portions," but for purification reason they exchanged their portions for Vegetables. Esau sold his birthright in exchange for Jacob's portions, and Esau became profane. But Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, forgone their portions for Vegetables, and they remained undefiled. Those were men who were not moved from hunger or appetite for food/drinks, but by zeal for purity.

How do you compare between "little" and "much," or between "Eating Vegetables" and "Eating Rich Meat?" Do you judge them by the "Virtues" and "Spiritual Values" involved? As it is written:

It is better to be poor and respect the Lord than to be wealthy and have much trouble. It is better to eat vegetables with those who love you than to eat meat with those who hate you. — [Proverbs 15:16‭-‬17 ICB]



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Behold these two major categories of things that God has placed in a Day, and their utilities:

1***1 — God placed the Sun in a Day, to give light in it;

2***2 — God placed twelve hours in a Day, for men to work in it.

[John 11:9-10] — "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbles, because there is no light in him."

[John 9:4-5] — "I must work the works of Him that sent Me, while it is day: the night comes, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."


[1 ADAM+EVE 13:13] — "For I knew thou shouldest sin and transgress, and come out into this land. Yet would I not force thee, nor be heard upon thee, nor shut up; nor doom thee through thy fall; nor through thy coming out from light into darkness; nor yet through thy coming from the garden into this land.

[1 ADAM+EVE 13:13] — For I knew you would sin and transgress, and come out into this land. Yet I wouldn't force you, nor be heard over you, nor shut up; nor doom you through your fall; nor through your coming out from light into darkness; nor yet through your coming from the garden into this land.

God already foreknew mankind would sin and transgress with their own freewill that God had given them. And God also knew He was not supposed to complete destroy mankind for their falling into sin: yes, God knew already beforehand that all these things were going to happen to Adam and Eve, and God prepared the land (earth) ahead by creating day and night, firmament, dryland, seas, plants, sun, moon and stars, etc, beforehand to prepare this land of exile (earth) where Adam shall be cast away from the Garden of Lights.

[1 ADAM+EVE 13:14] — "For I made thee of the light; and I willed to bring out children of light from thee and like unto thee.

[1 ADAM+EVE 13:14] — For I made you of the light; and I willed to bring out children of light from you and like to you.

When God made Adam, God made him in God's image and likeness [Light Nature] of God. But Adam and Eve brought forth children that took after the image and likeness of Adam after Adam lost the Bright Nature and Light that made Adam in the image and likeness of God in the beginning.

Thus, the initial plan of getting Children of Light through Adam was truncated. But HalleluYah, the Second Adam (Jesus Christ) came forth, and through Him, with Him and in Him, we are brought forth true Children of the Light, Children of God.

How to become "Children of Light:"

[John 12:36] — "While you have light, believe in the Light, that you may be the children of Light. These things spoke Jesus, and departed, and did hide Himself from them."

Nevertheless:

[Luke 16:8] — "And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."

When did we become "Children of Light?" Now or later?

[Ephesians 5:8] — "For you were sometimes darkness, but "now" are you light in the Lord: walk as children of light:"

Verify:

[1 Thessalonians 5:5] — "You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."

Adam was the first "Light-Bearer" among men, but every man in Christ Jesus is a "Light Bearer" as Children of Light or light of the world.


[1 ADAM+EVE 13:15] — "But thou didst not keep one day My commandment; until I had finished the creation and blessed everything in it.

[1 ADAM+EVE 13:15] — But you did not keep My commandment one day; until I had finished the creation and blessed everything in it.

If Adam had kept God's Commandment longer than he did, and endured till a complete day (a thousand years), by then God would have finished the creation and blessed everything in it. That would have meant, nothing could have been cursed because everything would be blessed and blessings only; then evil completely eliminated from God's creation, including the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the devils.

Unfortunately, Adam could not even keep the Commandment until one day is over or at least until he bore children that could have escaped if he fell.

AbdulMagaji:
Where are the children that were given birth to by the fallen angels on earth today?

They were the Giants or Nephilims, who later began to fight and kill each other and the rest of them destroyed during the flood of Noah.

Nevertheless, the giants themselves are killed in the flesh, but their spirits, however, deriving from immortal heavenly beings (the angels), cannot be destroyed completely, but also cannot return to heaven. They remain connected to earth as evil spirits or unclean spirits, wreaking havoc among humankind and causing both physical evil (such as disease) and moral evil (sin):

7:8 And now the giants who were born from spirits and flesh will be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth will be their dwelling.

7:9 And evil spirits came out from their flesh because from above they were created; from the holy Watchers was their origin and first foundation. Evil spirits they will be on the earth, and spirits of the evil ones they will be called.

7:10 And the dwelling of the spirits of heaven is in heaven, but the dwelling of the spirits of earth, who were born on the earth, [is] on earth.

7:11 And the spirits of the giants . . . which do wrong and are corrupt, and attack and fight and break on the earth, and cause sorrow; and they eat no food and do not thirst, and are not observed.

7:12 And these spirits will rise against the sons of men and against the women because they came out [from them].

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EZEKIEL 1:17

"When they went, they went on their four sides: and they turned not when they went." [Ezekiel 1:17 AKJV]

Whenever they moved, they went in any [one] of their four directions without turning as they moved. [Ezekiel 1:17 AMP]


Understanding how these eternal Wheels moved is very important to understanding the Throne of God, for the Wheels perfectly sync with the moving Throne of God. Thus, their movements and motions are designed and instructed according to the moving Throne of God and according to the spirit of the Living Creatures (Rabim) in them.

According to the Bible verse above; whenever the Wheels moved or advanced to any destination, they went there but never made any turning to or fro any direction. That meant there was strictly 'No-Turning' in all their goings, moves, advances, approaches etc. What they had to achieve "No-Turning" include having face looking at each of the four directions already, and having abilities to advance in any direction without turning. This also means that what they did not have to achieve "No-Turning" include not having Steering, Handwheel or Rudder, for changing directions.

Imagine having to ride a vehicle or wheel without steering: and you can only drive it but you cannot steer it (turn it) to wherever you want. Behold these eternal Wheels do not have or need Steering, Handwheel, Rudder, or any instrument for controlling or turning their directions. And the reason the Wheels go without any of those is because they already occupy all directions with their faces as if headed towards any/all direction(s) already and they are on their marks, ready to go in any direction. Cars having Steering Controls are cars suffering the poverty of having just one "Front" in midst of four (all) directions demanding "Front" or "Attention" towards them.

What are the Benefits of this "No-Turning" in movements to the Eternal Wheels?

Underneath are these three basic benefits accruing to the Wheels and to the Rabim, who have "No-Turning" in all their movements.


№¹** "No-Turning in movements" makes their goings, moves advances, approaches, etc, to be with greater Dignity. It's like this Lion described in the next Bible reference below:

[Proverbs 30:29-30] — "There are three things that walk with dignity, even four that march with strides of dignity: A lion, mightiest among animals, which does not turn away for any,"

In higher realms, the way someone walks/parades with grace, with elegance, with dignity, with majesty, with triumph, with style, with strides that impart fears/trembling, with glory, or with etc, is very important part of his presence, his person, his ranking, and the respects/attention he commands. There was a girl that used to walk with elegant steps and strides as if she's contesting beauty pageant with other ladies, in my younger days. Each steps or strides she made came with bouncing of her entire body including her head that nodded/bounced on her stretched neck like the daughters of Zion described in this Bible reference below:

[Isaiah 3:16] — The Lord also says: “Because the daughters of Zion are haughty— walking with heads held high, outstretched neck and wanton eyes, prancing and skipping as they go, jingling the bracelets on their ankles—

Well, there's some things about the dignity and grace involved in how someone walks, moves or runs. And those things command or inspire awe, attraction, attention, respect, splendor, intimidation, trembling/quaking, favors, or aura of majesty, in the watchers.


№²** "No-Turning in movements" makes these eternal Wheels (and their Rabim) to be as faithful as the Cardinal Points for directional Referencing/Compass. This is because, they never turned faces or changed directions, making them faithful for directional Referencing. Their face/side facing North is forever facing North. Their face/side facing East is forever facing East. Their face/side facing South is forever facing South. And, their face/side facing West is forever facing West. Someone can tell which direction or angle it is in either East, West, North or South, just by noting the sides/faces of the Wheels or the Rabim, having the face of a man, face of an eagle, face of a lion, or face of an ox, on each of the four cardinal sides.

The Throne of God, and God who sits on the Throne, has no Shadow of Turning. For instance, if the Throne of God is in the East Side facing West, that would mean those at His Right Hand Side are by the sides of the North to His Throne. For there's no variableness nor shadow of turning:

[James 1:17] — "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no ficklenss, neither shadow of turning."


№³** "No-Turning in movements" exempted these eternal Wheels (and their Rabim) from those hearts that are being turned or overturned by God, like unstable river of waters being turned with steering or rudder.

[Proverbs 21:1-3] — "The king's heart is like streams of water. Both are under the LORD's control. He turns them in any direction He chooses. A person thinks everything he does is right, but the LORD weighs hearts. Doing what is right and fair is more acceptable to the LORD than offering a sacrifice."

Why or why not? Because turning things could result in overturning/destroying those things that were turned.
[Job 34:25] — "Therefore God knows their works, and He overturns them in the night, so that they are destroyed."

[Proverbs 1:32] — "For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them."

[Psalms 146:9] — "The LORD preserves the strangers; He relieves the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked He turns upside down."

[Psalms 9:17] — "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."

Let us do this:

[Psalms 101:2-3] — "I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when will You come to me? I will walk within my own house in my room with a perfect heart. I will set no wicked thing before my eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not stick to me."

[Proverbs 4:23-27] — "Keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Put away from you a fraudulent mouth, and perverse lips put far from you. Let your eyes look right on, and let your eyelids look straight before you. Ponder the path of your feet, and let all your ways be established. Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove your foot from evil."

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DANIEL 1:14


"So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days." [Daniel 1:14 AKJV]

The guard agreed to the proposal they made and tested them for ten days. [Daniel 1:14 FBV]

In this Bible verse above, a Consent was granted on terms and condition: the agreement of the security manager to the matter was acquired with ten days trying times (ten days probation). The man could not invest his agreement or trust in the proposal of Daniel and his three brethren, until he could test/prove his own security in the agreement or trust in them.

He's the security manager in charge over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, to secure them. There may be something to learn from him about a form of security that involves proving or trying those he was securing, especially if it's required to trust them as secured enough in their own Choices outside the box. Generally:

Security involves "Proving or Proofing." In security terms, when an object is proof to a subject, it is not just about evidence but basically about resistance/hardness to the subject. So the object becomes "Subject-Proof" means the object is resistant to the Subject or would not allow the subject to go/pass through it. E.g.

***Water-proof — means the object is resistant to the passage of water as it's subject. ***Wind-proof — means the object is resistant to the passage of wind as it's subject. ***Fire-proof — means the object is resistant to the passage of fire as it's subject. ***Heat-proof (Insulator) — means the object is resistant to the passage of heat as it's subject. ***Burglary-proof — means the object is resistant to the passage of Burglary as it's subject. ***Bullet-proof — means the object is resistant to the passage of Bullet as it's subject. Etc. So "Proving" or "Proofing" is a basic act in "Security Guarantee."

In the Bible verse above, the Security/Resource manager over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, agreed or consented to prove them for 10 Days probational days, to establish their bodily strength and resistance in living just on vegetables and water.

The idea is to ensure that not what goes into the men came out of the men. If Vegetables and water go into the men and then stronger, cleaner, fatter and healthier, effects come out of the men, then the men are "Leanness-Proof." You may recall the seven fatted cows and the seven lean cows in Pharaoh's dream. Though the seven fatted cows fed only on grass (Vegetables) like Daniel and his three friends, yet those seven fatted cows were "Leanness-Proof." But on the other hand, the seven lean cows swallowed or ate richer meat in the presence of the king (Pharaoh) as if eating the king's food, and yet they remained as lean as they were despite all the fatted cows and meat they fed on. However:

This is not just about being "Lean-Proof" but about being "Defiled-Proof" to what comes or goes into your body. It is written,

[Mark 7:15‭-‬16 NKJV] — There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!”

[Hebrews 12:15 BSB'19] — "Be careful that no one falls short of the grace of God, so that no root of bitterness will spring up to cause trouble and defile many."

If someone slaps me, and I slap back, that means slab passed through my defensive and came out of me after going into me: that means I am not "Slap-proof." If I am abused, reviled, cheated, robbed, offended, tempted, etc, and I allow it pass through me to give out or output similar evil things that was done or imputed into me, that means I am not "Proof" to those evil things because there are leakages through which those evil deeds would also get out from me to hurt other people or even to revenge those who hurt me. Hence, do not return evil for evil to show you are "Proved, Proof or Proofing" as much as lies in you or as much as your capacity can endure. As it is written,

[Romans 12:17-18] — "Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men."

Look, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, were tried "10 Days" to test their "Proof." Your "Proof" in the "10 Days Trial" will be your faithful even in the face of the first death so that you may overcome the second death. As it is written,

[Revelation 2:10‭-‬11 NKJV] — Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

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EZEKIEL 1:16


"The appearance of the wheels and their work was like to the color of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel." [Ezekiel 1:16]


As to the appearance of the wheels and their construction: in appearance they gleamed like chrysolite; and the four were formed alike, and their construction work was as it were a wheel within a wheel. [Ezekiel 1:16 AMPC]



Each of these four Wheels was made in the image and likeness of one another. They took the resemblance of each other so that one could construe them to be identical Quadruplets. One is the prototype of the the other in all ramifications, except that the spirit inside one is not the same with the spirit in the others but the same with the spirit of one the four Living Creatures driving it. Therefore:


Each Wheel share the Resemblance (Likeness) with another Wheel, but share the same spirit with one of the Rabim. Like identical twins having one likeness with someone within their resemblance, but having one spirit with another person outside their resemblance. You have to be within their resemblance and workmanship to share one likeness with them, but you don't have to be within their resemblance to share one spirit with them. To share one spirit with any one of the Wheels, you must be worthy to be the driver of the Wheel and have your "Driver's License" because having one spirit with the Wheel is having the Steering Controls that command the Wheel.


Apart from their resemblance, their likeness and spirits, there was light or brightness in the Wheels; and the light or brightness of any spiritual substance shares Likeness or Resemblance with another Light or Brilliance of another but more popular substance. This is in the act of comparison, comparing the light or brightness (fairness, beauty, coloration, contrast) of anything to another substance better known with the same or similar contrasting effects. [Simile or Metaphor]. For instance, fair as the moon, bright as the Sun, White as Snow.


Imagine you were duplicated, and there are two of you having the same resemblance and likeness in all things, except in your light or brightness (skin tone complexion) differ. If you're dark skinned, your duplicate is light skinned or vice versa. In that case, the two of you share the same "Dimensional Similarities" with each other but different "Shading (Lighting) Similarities;" for one of you has a shade of whiteness/lightness but the other has a shade of dark/blackness.


Behold the Wheels: Four of them have the same "Dimensional Similarities" with each other, and four of them also have the same "Shading Similarities" or "Brilliance of Light" in the same likeness of brightness as "Beryl" in coloration or as "Chrysolite" in gleams.


Beryl is a silicate of "Beryllium and aluminum" with great hardness, having colors when it's not in its purest state but being colorless as crystal when it's in it's in its purest state. So giving color shows a Beryl is impure, while giving no color shows a Beryl in its purest state. The Wheels are as the Beryl that's always in its purest state, colorless and clear as crystal in transparency.


Also, the workmanship of each of the Wheels is like having a Wheel in a Wheel as in "Two in One." Not exactly like a truck's or lorry's axle with pairing of rear tyres or wheels. Rather the 'Two in one' Wheel is structured to run efficiently in any of the four cardinal points or any direction without turning or diverting, like a ball or sphere. The Throne of God does not turn around or divert though the Throne goes in all directions.



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