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asalimpo: coming from a group who believe a worse absurdity. The candor of the atheist proves human only think they act logically but dont.

also applies to you

striktlymi: A washing machine does not have a demonstrable freewill. Even with this limitation, it is possible for the washing machine to malfunction, hence doing what the designer did not intend for it.

even the washing machine's designer know his washing machine is not perfect, if you say something's purpose is this, then the thing has no free will if it already has a purpose

PastorAIO: Then there is the notion that God created all the possibilities and every possible universe exists in parallel to themselves. This raises ontological questions of when we can say something exists or not. Can possibilities be said to exist? In what sense? How do we compare their existence to the existence of Actualities.

Actualities is subjective to possibilities, if actualities exists then possibilities exist

PastorAIO: Herein lies the heart of the issue. There is a need, a desperate need, to assume a position of absolute knowledge. Instead of honestly trying to attain the position or at least admitting that it is not possible, we resort instead to sleight of hands and dodgy arguments to support an untenable position.

I've even heard arguments trying to discredit science by saying that scientists are always coming up with new theories and changing their position. Whereas religionists always maintain their position. I don't know how that, the fact that a position is amenable to changing when facts present themselves, makes something less true. If anything it should make it's position stronger than the position that does not consider new facts.

It is simply a matter of intellectual honesty and integrity. God is not something that we can know or grasp. We can try, but if you think that you've pinned God down then you'll be setting yourself up for a shock. Repeated shocks.

There are two parts to this Free Will issue. The Free part, and the Will part.

what do we mean by Free? Are the choices God makes truly free, or are they bound to by his character. ie. are there things that God will typically do and things that he wouldn't do?

Anybody that knows me would tell you that if you were to put chocolate down on one plate, and marzipan on another and tell me to choose one, if they truly know me they will know that I am more likely to choose the marzipan. Knowledge leads to prognosis. If you know me you'll be able to predict my behaviour.

Does God have Character? Likes, dislikes, behavioural patterns, features? If so then his/her choices would be bound to his/her character. that is not totally free. There are things therefore that God just wouldn't/couldn't do.

Then there is the question of who created God's features and characteristics. God himself? ie Self creating. Then what informed his decisions to create himself the way he did? You see how these questions are taking us beyond the levels that our intellect can reach. The honest answer to these questions is 'I don't know'. I don't know why it is so hard for my christian brethren to say these three little words.

Then there is the Will part? If God's Will is absolute then can there by any other Wills in the universe? An absolute Will cannot be thwarted in anyway. Whatever happens must be in accord with this absolute will. If there are other wills, i.e. human will, then that will must necessarily be impotent since the will of God is absolute. Nothing can happen other than what God wills.

However if Human will is not impotent, then God's will cannot be absolute.

so skepticism seems to be the rational choice?

Benstino: It still confuses me.
There's no sanity in it.

what is more beautiful than to show the religious people how s*tupid they are, or read them contradict themselves

alobam1: I say it again and again..Most of those people blaming me are even worse than i am..No be this same naija we dey?where workers of a company would want to embezzele the company's funds and run away with it..No be the same set of people we have on nairaland too?Can justwise tell me he isn't over-stayed he's visa in any of the countries he went to?Has he never used a fake document to procure visa?Hasnt he ever soiled he's hands?Common we all are hypocrites meeen..I passed a message across,nobody seems to be reading that,nobody seems to see my own opinion about the situation of things in our country,that makes youths to travel out of Nigeria blindly,without making preparation about where they are going..But everybody attacks the messenger and not the message..It's a shame really..it's a Pity..I might have made some mistakes in the past,but as for this particular post,i havent commited any crime...

He who thinks he is not of sin should cast the first stone..Bunch of crazy hypocrites

no matter how you try to paint it scamming is wrong, embelzzing company funds is wrong, over staying your visa is wrong, but that doesn't justify you being a scammer and getting a ban

musKeeto: He steals little compared to what our govt officials pocket monthly. While the poor in our country continue to cry and live in complete despair, the politicians continue to feed large and reward themselves with national honors.
I'm not justifying the op. I'm just saying he's a lesser criminal; the true criminals are those who profit from a system that give citizens so few options to live a dream life.

he steals, he should stop stealing. Our govt steals they should stop stealing. You shouldn't downgrade is shady character because our govt is corrupt, scamming people is wrong, stealing public funds is wrong, both is wrong and two wrongs don't make a right

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648]like I said earlier what I believe is not a religion[/quote]But you believe in the implication of not believing in God(hell), that's why you are asking us a pascal's wager modeled question.... You are an hypocrite

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648]and by the way am now busy researching , no longer bored ....addin value to the already existing .... well u can be an atheist ...I dont care[/quote]If you keep on researching and refuse to use ur head for once, you won't get anywhere

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648], do I know u eh ...[/quote]I also don't know you, but I feel you might be a little bit confused

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648]hw will ur non -belief or my belief make the hands of the clock in my room move backwards ...[/quote]It really won't, how is this relevant

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648]how will your non belief help a dying man in a hospital or the sick , the blind , the crippled ,[/quote]If I refuse to pray to God and I go into strict scientific medical research, I might just be able to save that dying man

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648]if u like do wateva u want its ur life ...[/quote]If you know its my or our life then stop opening threads and trying to get people to think like you do

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648]find sth doin maybe throw a ball up and catch it when it falls[/quote]Have got better things doing (e.g showing how stu*pid you are).

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26831648]...sth meaningful with ur life.... I still dont care .... im no longer bored

THREAD CLOSED[/quote]You re just among the thousands of W*ANKers on Nairaland, have a W*anking day W*anker

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[quote author=striktlymi post=/post/26564949]The purpose of every creature (living and non-living) is first and foremost to do the the bidding of its Creator. From this any other purpose derive its meaning.[/quote][quote author=striktlymi post=/post/26564949]It is very possible to carve out one's path and create a whole new purpose different from that for which a creature was made.[/quote]You contradict your self, its like saying the purpose this washing machine exist is to wash clothes. But it is possible for it to carve out a new purpose

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=/post/26829461]the atheist questions the existence of God because he has not witnessed the presence of God ... there are christians and there are born again christians... he has not sat and wondered how he became and what will become of him when he fails to exist ... but what wil it profit me if I believe in nothing and at the end ridiculed by my found "intelligence" .... what will it profit me if my eyes have been opened but still wallow in darkness .... what will it profit me if I prove the Christians wrong , I gain nothing ...[/quote]what will it profit you if you died and found out that Allah is the real God? Am very sure its nothing

Nairalanders are to be blamed, so what?

KingEbukasBlog: *** in stewie griffin's voice **** oh av gt one already .... so let's see ummm .... what lie mister are you talkin abt?

Religion

That: It is funny how they believe the "Big bang theory" is trash but still accept their god came out of nowhere creating things.

I might not be a scientist but I don't think science has mentioned the existence of any God

The fear of death is very irrational, you don't know what happens to you tomorrow yet you re not afraid of it, you don't know what happen to you when you die then I don't see how you should be afraid of it because its inevitable(just like seeing tomorrow)

KingEbukasBlog: Big bang funniest story ever ... evolution _ exhibition of fullishness from head to toe ... their poo so funny that they have different tales of creation ... they do not know that the mammoths , dinosaurs are of sort obvious pre- Adamite creatures before the first flood that left earth void before its restoration ... they drown in their folly ... they dont know the in depth of the creation story and even read accounts of Jewish history from people like Josephus etc ... they do not know that nations and men existed before Adam was created ... anyways makin matters worse scientist just last week or so have proven that the big bang theory is indeed false and laughable ... I feel so sorry for them ... so wats next atheist prove to me that men will start flying in the next stage of evolution ... am obviously bored

atleast scientists are will to review their theories and hypothesis, if it isn't true it gets dismissed, unlike you who holds on to a lie, no matter how much facts stares at you

Women wasn't in his plan, he even hated women that is why he allowed them to be tempted by the devil so that he would be justified cursing them

Panshow: Thanks Bro. Have decided to buy Gotv, and that too is okay.

okay how much did you buy gotv

Panshow: Hello guys, pls help!.
Pls what is the current price of startimes decoder?.
And please suggest to me which is better between startimes and Gotv?.
Thanks.

shouldn't cost more that 2600

ikemobi: Gurus in the house, I bought a startimes decoder some few months ago it only worked for month since then it keeps saying no service or the decoder keeps hanging or it just say error am sick and tired of it.Ihave the antenna and is placed heigh help me pls.

. Maybe you should get a starsat or make inquiry at the startimes office nearest to you

Dumb Nigerians using smart phones to compliment their dumbness

What is apple afraid of? What a wrong way to react,
#Apple so childish like its users

alobam1: Yes,Thank you..That was why i said i am not too happy with it..But the hypocrites are getting it personal..They themselves are worse than me..Yes i can say that..Cos this is a country where everybody is damm corrupt.Where you dont trust your fellow Man yet you come on here and claim being the Holiest..

I can go ahead and open 1milion profiles,I just want the world to know i haven't done anything wrong with what i wrote...Those who are worse than me in all areas of their lives are the ones blaming me..Fucking Hypocrites..

this doesn't change the fact that you re a scammer and being a scammer is wrong

Dapo777: If saying you are a bastar..d hurts, then it must hurt because am only saying the truth,.
I hope you are not hurt,If you are then I am saying the truth,you Really are a bast.ard.

maybe you didn't get it the first time; reread my signature

Dapo777: Neither are you because u are committing a fallacy called argumentum ad hominem.
I just gave you a proof now why I think you don't make sense,you can only dismiss my assertion that you are senseless by giving me a stronger proof or hold your peace or continue your fallacy of argumentum ad hominem.

if saying you aren't making sense hurts, then it must hurt because am only saying the truth, I haven't committed any fallacy because you haven't made any sense, you said I was wicked without any proof and still you refuse to show proof then you say have committed argumentum ad hominem, please how is that an insult

Weather we secede or not our problem will continue to remain corrupt politician

Dapo777: Explain how.

you still aren't making any sense

SLIDEwaxie: If you are a pagan, u are a fool because I will ask u if any of the gods u are currently worshipping were created by ur dad! Or by you! People of old who created them, how did u even knw the gods existed, or were real? And all those who worship them are dunces who like Christians(if we have to go by ur argument), don't knw what they actually worship but what they were taught to be worshipping. If they give u a man-made object and ask u to subject urself to it's rules, how is that different to christians?

If you are a christian you are a fool because you worship a sadist and a God with anger management issues.

SLIDEwaxie: If u are an atheist, you are the worst one living who had no directions! The truth is, you are bunches of rebellious ones who didn't want to subject themselves to any religious morals and laws. They want to do as they like and justify themselves, but the funny aspect is that they follow the laws of the land like traffic laws and the rest. They ask for freedom of the mind, yet they wanted religious individuals to shun religion! How is that freedom if we can't choose wot we want? U wanted to be an atheist, I wanted to be a muslim or a christian, what's our problem. If u preach freedom, why do u want to win me to your side? Why shld u define freedom for me and still want me not to choose?

My question is why do you guys preach your gospel if you claim to respect other people's beliefs

SLIDEwaxie: If u are a free-thinker, well, it's also your world. But like an atheist, u aint different! But as u are left to think freely, why not allow me to free myself as I deemed fit?

Reread the question I asked above

Dapo777: Likewise What can be asserted with proof can be dismissed with a stronger proof.

you aren't making any sense

Dapo777: You are wicked!!!!!

read my signature

shinechinedu: I got to delta state from lagos state yesterday cos my mum insisted that I celebrate the independence with them, I got home safely though and woke up around 7am to find my dad slaughtering a goat! I was stunned and asked what it was for and he happily replied " its for the celebration" I was just dumbfounded. And I was forced to ask, what are you really celebrating? The indepndence we got in 1960 or the slavery that our own people have put us? Sincerely everybody has their own reason to celebrate but to me, its just another day in a country where mediocrity is celebrated. I love my country for some personal reasons, but I strongly believe that we need to demand more from our leaders and be more active than keepin mute and celebrating slavery, some see the influx of entertainers into politics as a slow revolution of its own but please pardon my skepticism, I don't believe they are better. They might have clean intentions but I don't think the ones I've seen so far have the balls to make any tangible difference! Nigeria is a big and demanding country, she needs smart and tough minds to handle her, just like buhari said, we need common sense revolution. I'm just here scrolling through nairaland though, if you have good reasons for celebrating today please do comment let me see thanks, and to safarigirl, u re really a smart girl from the angle I've seen so far, I hope u keep it up and actually do more than writing too. Thanks

wait your dad really killed a goat?