on going....

hmmm....lol

arrh..... men.....still the same old talks again ....the problem is obvious and has been like that for a long time....

hmmm

@vivid
which 3d software do you use first?
then which renderer do you use...is it vray, mentalray .

yeah...I feel u...u gonna pay 1.5M per f*cking week men....lol
once u can do that. u got no problem...lol

@Reid
I feel u joo...leave okx ...okx don't wanna be the best, he wants to be an average...lol
don't take it hard...
don't mind me..I understand what u mean.
its just gonna be challenging when someone elsewhere takes a big jump among the struggling ones and they will feel that pressure of not competing with him anymore coz they feel he is far gone....unfortunately that's what most us tell ourselves when we watch foreign blockbuster movies...any way.

hmmmm
OK...one day a magic will happen...lol

OK...let me equate the ''union'' to ''quality''...fine
in that your story....I wanna make an instance....what if u charged a little above what u charged the client, just to gain his confidence...maybe by now he will see the minimum he can pay as the new charge...this is just an example oh.
now let's take our mind back a few years....how was the music industry before...how was our music video looked like in those days of daddy showkey and baba fryo ....compare that to when clarence peter (capital dreams) came and changed the whole scene. his price was really high when he started. now its as if what he did changed the industry and somehow created a minimum. Nobody can shoot a music video for anything less than 200 to 300k.
hope u get the point...by that time if anybody would have charged way lesser than minimum....the pay will still go down. so its not as if they created a fixed minimum...the minimum created itself from quality...that's why I totally agree with your last sentence.
u really need to see the ''way'' some studios re looking for animators....''...we need a freelance animator...that we can pay 35k a month'' I don't wanna mention names here.but when I heard that.....men....that is madness. u can imagine what led to that. anyway....u get the point?

@reid
yeah...I will show u...let me fix my internet properly...em...to your inbox right?...
em...I've read the post...em. Reid and okx let's do it this way
- who re the clients and what do these clients expect from us 3d animators
- now, can we give them what they want to their expectations.
- if yes. now let's discuss payment.
those re the three important things that comes first..now if the clients says "this is what I can pay you..." and u say "no...this is what I will accept"
let's take for example...an advert or a commercial . when u say ''I will accept 600k for it'' and the client says ''no can only pay 450k''...u go away and another animator comes in and tells the clients ''...I will accept 500k minimum"...if 3 to 4 person tells the clients nothing less than 500k consecutively... the client will re think. and will now start to see the quality of the market.
compare this scenario to when an animator comes in and tells the client ''I can do it for jus t 300 k...'' at that point, even if the quality of this animator is not up to the first 2, the client might want to manage it that way....base line he got the job done for less than he expected and the first 2 good animators didn't get the job.
....u grab the point?
so....u have all the skills in the world...but somebody somewhere is not making u eat properly...lol...
those re my thoughts and experience...there re exceptional cases
there re cases where the client can afford more to get the best but if the difference in the pay is not much

@Reid
I m still here...sorry
em....let me read the posts from where I stopped.
there is really a lot to talk about
please ignore the post made by franklysco...thats is supposed to be me

let us look at it this way...
there is a minimum pay,and that minimum is set based on some factors. one of which is that your skill level should reach a certain level before u can be employable as a 3d artist in a particular specialty let alone getting a contract for an advert or so. ...we should not take it as a hard rule but its a requirement .even currently most studio houses will test your skill level first,its a competitive market nobody will wanna do something substandard. my point is there should be a minimum pay. that is what most unions do to protect a particular profession...as an example, walk into a barbers shop,as an adult after having a haircut u will 150 if not 200 naira. that's what their union did....
so em...hope u get the point. there should be a more minimum pay.

yeah...that is the point where quality now speaks ''how much''
but a regular 3d artist should not earn less than a 100k in a month...3d artist not motion graphics artist.
naija is so terrible...over there they earn nothing less than $15 per hour. anyway

@chief
...honestly...no offence...u people should learn to please the clients more than pleasing nairalanders. nairalanders are not the one to give u the money. if nairalanders say wow! thats fantastic but the clients says he doesnt like the job.he pays for it anyway and doesn't come back to give u another one any other day,what do u do?
granted, u get respect and good reference from nairaland and u ll help people,but majorly the clients got to like your work,that way, u ''moneytize'' your skills. as it has been said before, show it to the client.they ll decide if its too flat or too crowded.

the way they do it is per hr professionally in a project...per output is decided by the clients. the clients go for quality jobs. so the clients decided how he wants the job to look like even in cases of low budget projects. I all go for per hr coz if I am an employer it all be favorable too...I all pay my workers per hr...lol...come late if u like....lol....then as an employee, u know ,the faster u re the better...that's my opinion
now in the case where the clients wants a kind of quality stuff...u ll know how tedious it ll be, then u can charge based on that..but if your employer wants it to be like this and u can't do it like that....u re in trouble...lol...

yeah. Good talk
but the thing is...most of us...we 3d people know this.
1. There is no structure in place that ll accomodate this people...a client or sponsor need to know there is a structure in place, before giving out money...every worker got to eat something as they work...lol...tell an animator to keep keyframing,after 1 month nothing still comes, the confidence drops.
2. We got to specialize. I see an average nigerian thats into 3d as up to if not better than most white guys. We learn everything, they dont...when we specialize we ll be better...animate and forget about lighting and the rest...the other guy should light the scene and forget about animating and so on..
3. When we follow step 1 and 2 we can then create a team....when we create a team where each person knows his job...thats a stepping stone.
4. development takes place...we define a workflow....i d have love to upload a picture of a typical workflow or Animation production pipeline but nairaland doesnt like files above 200kb...lol..sorry....but...u get the idea.

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......Its a nice job. But U did mention That U did These in 3weeks on & off!!! Are U sure about that.....

@reidkrugger...
One interesting thing is that when the audience look at it...no boby ll even know u did it within a very short time without u explaining to them which, eventually u wont ve to explain it to everyone that sees it. its a nice work...good at it. Our clients sometime give a very short time for us to do magic...lol...my point is...let us take more time...do something better. So that when they look at the work, they get blown away...
@okx
Thumbs up...focus on animation and forget about the rest...let someone thats good at lighting or other stages do the rest....at the end ur all get the credit..TeamWork....hope i ve not written too much...lol

Alright..i ll get to you in a while...
SAFE

@reidkrugger
No i m not an animator...lol...i do modelling(zbrush);lighting and special effects(max)...but i specialize in particle dynamics. thats where my strength is.
i was thinking we could talk a little privately...lol..i m not really confortable with the way people abuse each other here in this forum these days.
Alright.

@reidkrugger.
lol...u safe oh...u re making this thread lively
At one time i was looking for animators tht uses max...i hope ur greatest strength is in animation. i really want us to talk. if u re on whatsapp. do let me know....lol
Safe

reidkrugger

i m tired of writing stuffs...posting it...at the end.i see a blank post
Admin!!!!
@collins
its just taking ur live footage with a green screen behind.then compositing that with a 3d environment of any place u have in mind..even places that dont exist in the real world but came from ur imagination...
i hope u understand?

a suggestion.
why not try using virtual sets...

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@amhatu......
are u making a story from it

@landaski.....lol...i love that

@all......after all i ve read...this is my take regarding this topic...what i really see is that people dont ever get serious with this...graphics, 3d animation, video editing and the rest of them is what u can do professionally as a career...not something u do because u got nothing else to do....and there is even no regulation wrt standards...how can mr A get a contract for 100k and mr B say dont worry...i can do it for 20k....and clients to respect the profession...its really something that should be given proper consideration

@yusuf.....yeah...i understand..but i dont know what am in for yet...the group thing...whats it all about...

@yusuf....lol...i dont use a blackberry...i ve posted some of my works in this forum already...-Gerdlordel animation preamble- check that out...

i ll use zbrush for modeling-organic and max for hard surfaces....whats the project all about

@x-animators.....the facebook link is broken.....nice work anyway..keep it up...and maybe u should go to tv stations and make a demand for them to air a trailer of it or so