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Linqsz:There were three kinds of tithes . The three different types are as follows: 1. The Levitical, or sacred tithe (Num. 18: 21, 24). 2. The tithe of the feasts (Deut. 14:22-27). 3. The tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28, 29). The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abraham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testament. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testament. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ. The second tithe had an entirely different aspect, and we would do well to contemplate its meaning and purposes. Our enlightened generation prides itself on its social laws and provisions. Even a superficial study of the tithing system reveals that several thousand years back, Israel had something that resembles the Christmas Club savings system, only with a much broader religious and social meaning. The Levitical law required that a Jew had to go up to Jerusalem on certain occasions. In reality this religious ordinance included a definite social provision—periods of vacation for the family. And how should the head of the household provide for the vacation expense? By setting aside a second tithe, the one described in Deuteronomy 14:22-27, the tithe for the feasts. Thus the second tithe was dedicated to the good of man himself, for a vacation and specifically, a vacation with a religious purpose, such as going to camp meeting. The third tithe was the tithe for the poor. According to our text in Deuteronomy 14:28, 29, this tithe was given only every third year. As the text states, the produce had to be laid up in "your towns" for the Levite, sojourner, fatherless, and the widow. It suggests that the distribution was not left to the individual but was a community project to which everybody had to contribute. This tithe, therefore, was for the neighbor. Summarizing the three types of tithe in the Old Testament period we find a much broader concept of giving than we generally assume, giving that included first, God; second, man's own physical and spiritual welfare; and third, their neighbor's need. God, you, and your neighbor is a good trinity in planning one's giving. |
Linqsz:Why are you using a question to criticize the church . Is the tithe money for the preacher? Does he not give tithes as well . So how is he favoriting himself The preacher told me to disregard that part of the bible!!! I mean; is it not the same bible?Why didn't you ask him why he said so. ? He could have answered you. ,If we can disregard this part, why can't we disregard the other?There was regular annual tithes which goes to Gods house through the levites . But the other 2 kinds of tithes which was shared with the poor were more like alms to the poor. The principle still applicable . Individual alms and corporate inner city help prijecy |
AkachukwuD:The better question is has Satan asked to be forgiven ? |
MuttleyLaff:It's Terror o. It's a terrible thing to fall into Goes wrath as the Bible say. That God we are free from wrath to come |
engrtee: engrtee:It's still all about christ. Come and be save , healed , Jesus Christ same yesterday today and forever . The miracles will still be wrought in the name of Jesus . So,all,to Gods glory. Secondly jesus would have done the same if he lives in our times. His disciples do publicity for him . He sends them ahead to places he'would go. Matthew 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Luke 10:1 (MSG 1 Later the Master selected seventy and sent them ahead of him in pairs to every town and place where he intended to go. |
Philadelphia:Because the Jews can't treck more than a mile on sabbath day. It is called sabbath day journey Acts 1:12 12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. You may want to know the reason Jesus said so . He was talking about the tribulation. When the Jews will be running for safety from the antichrist. At the ememrgence of abomination of desolation that Daniel spoke about . If that event happens on a sabbath day they won't be able to run far for they can't travel more than a mile |
Philadelphia:i believe in the law as Gods document for man . however there are things in the law that are shadows which had been fulfilled in christ yet there are things that are principles which will always be applicable. so issues of idolatry vs one God ,do not commit murder etc will always be principles in Gods kingdom. blood sacrifices sin offerings are shadows. clean and unclean meat are shadows. they represent the Gentiles as unclean and not to mix with them. but God told peter to eat the unclean because christ has broken down the middle wall. all are one in christ Leviticus 11:8 8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you. Acts 10:13-15 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. Galatians 3:28 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. |
MuttleyLaff:Not just for him and them but for other viewers on this forum |
Philadelphia:This twisting is not selling at all . The lords day is Sunday ,first day of the week 1 Corinthians 16:2 (TLB) 2 On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once. Jesus said He is the Lord of the Sabbath. If the Sabbath is a day and Jesus is the Lord of that day, then the Lord's day is the Sabbath day.Yes the sabbath of Saturday was a shadow of christ . Christ is the real sabbath . He has come to give rest . This rest is not about a particular day of the weeek it's a life in us. When you come in to christ you've entered into sabbath. But the early church started to fellowship on Sundays even though God is no longer limited to a holy day. Colossians 2:16 (KJV Strong's) 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sa bbath days: Romans 14:5 (KJV Strong's) 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. So John in revelation 1 was making reference to the general knowledge of Sunday being the lords day. |
Splinz:1 Corinthians 16:2 (MSG) 2 Every Sunday each of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal. The apostles laid the foundation of Sunday worship |
blueAgent:The sabbath day law was shadow ,he was the reality and fulfillment. Case closed. Mark 2:27-28 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. .[/quote] |
Splinz:I know it's a little challenging for you to shift ground expecially when you've been raised in this inductrination. But the truth is the truth . Do a search The lords day was Sunday. 1[b] Corinthians 16:2[/b] (TLB) 2 [b]On every Lord's Day [/b]each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once. This is just elementary bible truth. Do a study you will see that you've been taught wrongly. I just hope you have the liver to accept when you see it. PS: Meanwhile, have you not seen the question I asked in my continuation page of this topic? What was the need of using maximum force and death threats to enforce your Sunday worship, a day supposedly used by the apostles and saints for worship?There's no Place like that in scriptures . They never forced anyone . |
blueAgent:We have 3 worship days in my church Sunday Wednesday and Friday . So what's the big deal |
blueAgent:Not at all . |
blueAgent:Firstly Jesus made it clear we weren't bound by sabbath law . He's the lord of sabbath . Secondly the agenda that Constantine initiated Sunday worship after the Sun god is a fallacy. Thirdly it's a choice If you want to choose Tuesday or Wednesday to have service . There's no more any special day. Sabbath was a shadow of christ . He is our rest . Colossians 2:16 (KJV Strong's) 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Romans 14:5 (KJV Strong's) 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. If we criticize Sunday service , we criticize the church and it's foundation And all the apostles put together. Remember also that the synagogue was not an institution under the law. They were established by necessities. God didn't condemn it. So why condemning Sunday worship |
blueAgent:John 20:19 (NLT) 19 That Sunday evening the disciples were meeting behind locked doors . . . . . Acts 20:7 (KJV Strong's) 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7 (TLB) 7 On Sunday we gathered for a Communion service, with Paul preaching. And since he was leaving the next day, he talked until midnight! 1Corinthians 16:2 (AMPC) 2 On the first [day] of each week, let each one of you [personally] put aside something and save it up as he has prospered [in proportion to what he is given], so that no collections will need to be taken after I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2 (TLB) 2 On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once. 1 Corinthians 16:2 (MSG) 2 Every Sunday each of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal. Revelation 1:10 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Revelation 1:10 (MSG) 10 It was Sunday and I was in the Spirit, praying. I heard a loud voice behind me, trumpet-clear and piercing: rather they kept the Sabbath even with converted gentiles. . ..As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath. Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God. The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord. read more.The church didn't gather to meet there .If you observed , The apostles went among them to preach to them so that they could become Christians . And some of them got converted Acts 14:1 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. |
akintom:You're right . And that's even if they don't have the book already . All these carnal Christians criticize anything Jesus. Which one be salary again. |
Splinz:No bible version makes that claim except the "loaded you" Firstly you need to understand that THE DAY OF THE LORD is an event , a battle of Armageddon So your interpretation is flawed there . The whole of the book of revelation was not about just one event . The book is about series of events spanning over a thousand years . Hope your get my point now . The passage clearly states that it was on The lords day which is Sunday that God showed John the future through trance . Every translation says the same . Kindly humble yourself brother . Revelation 1:10 (BBE) 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and a great voice at my back, as of a horn, came to my ears, Revelation 1:10 (NLT) 10 It was the Lord’s Day, and I was worshiping in the Spirit. Suddenly, I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet blast. Revelation 1:10 (TLB) 10 It was the Lord's Day and I was worshiping, when suddenly I heard a loud voice behind me, a voice that sounded like a trumpet blast, Revelation 1:9 (MSG) 9 I, John, with you all the way in the trial and the Kingdom and the passion of patience in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God's Word, the witness of Jesus. |
Splinz:So you still insist that the lords day of revelation chapter 1 was battle of Armageddon? That means the Armageddon was has been fought And that John was in the spirit while the war was going on? Right? |
Splinz:But how come you don't know the difference between The day of the lord and The lords day ? |
Splinz:Ok what sabbath was Paul' referring to? And also what sabbath was it that Joshua didn't give them? |
Splinz:I don't see any reason why anyone would have issue with eschatology. It simply means study of end time. Which simply refers to prophetic study . So if the coinage of the grammar is the issue . Let's take out the grammar let's use simple language . That's what I meant |
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Splinz:Ok don't study eschatology if it's about the grammar . Study end time prophecies |
MZLady39:The sabbath was not the normal weekly sabbath but the annual high sabbath which was observed during Passover . It can fall all any day of the week Wednesday,Thursday etc. Just as Christmas could be Sunday this year and Monday next year John 19:31 kjv 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31 NLT 31 It was the day of preparation, and the Jewish leaders didn’t want the bodies hanging there the next day, which was the Sabbath (and a very special Sabbath, because it was Passover week). So they asked Pilate to hasten their deaths by ordering that their legs be broken. Then their bodies could be taken down. |
Splinz:Study eschatology . The day of the lord is the battle of Armageddon at the second coming. It's a day of battle . Joel 2:1 1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for[b] the day of the Lord cometh[/b], for it is nigh at hand;Joel 2:4-5 . . . 4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Whereas the lords day is a Sunday a day of fellowship . John was worshiping God on Sunday morning when he was caught up in spirit and God revealed to him what will happen at the end of this age . He wrote them down and it's called THE BOOK OF REVELATION. Revelation 1:10-11 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea Revelation 1:9-11 9 I, John, with you all the way in the trial and the Kingdom and the passion of patience in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God's Word, the witness of Jesus. 10 It was Sunday and I was in the Spirit, praying. I heard a loud voice behind me, trumpet-clear and piercing: 11 "Write what you see into a book. Send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea." ., |
Splinz:What sabbath was being referred to here ? Hebrews 4:8 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have said anything about another day. They had the sabbath of days and week and years . But there's a true sabbath . Which is a spiritual place in christ . By salvation we are legally in his sabbath . But it's only by faith we enter it practically . It's a place of trust to rest on his word. Hebrews 4:9-11 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. |
MuttleyLaff:Yes I agree with you I was only giving my explanation. |
MZLady39:Kindly read all my posts with open mind . |
Splinz:That's a spiritual sabbath in Christ . This is not making reference to a day . Christ is our rest . But concerning the sabbath of days which is a shadow of christ . The Bible is clear on that. It's case closed . It's a choice though. I can't judge for for observing it. Neither should you me Romans 14:5 . 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Colossians 2:16-17 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. |
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