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Seun and others need to hear this. Awesome testimony I've read Pat Boone materials in the early 90s . To now hear that pastor Chris got her out of wheel chair right in the presence of Benny HINN. What other proof do we need of the healing power of God.

TheBlessedMAN:
In Nigeria today, many youth have taken to the act of Gambling.. Either by Soccer, Casino, Racing, Boxing, Hockey, Tennis and many more..


At times, people make a lot of money from betting sites, such as, Bet9ja, Merrybet, Nairabet, Surebet and 1960bet..


Since, the main factor behind winning from Bet/gambling is the ability to put ones God given Brain into Use... Is it now a proper or biblical thing, to pay Tithe and offerring from Earnings of such Acts.?


Remember, Sport betting is A Legal business in Nigeria..

Paying Tithes from Money derived from betting...


PROPER or IMPROPER?


Lets have your say...



Lalasticala.. Where are you?

Christians Shouldnt indulge in crime . As long as it's not crime .

OLAADEGBU:
You cannot say Trump has no desire for women. That alone disqualifies him for being a candidate for the Antichrist.

The only thing one can relate with in this wise are the insultive , abusive and derogatory remarks about women he had been accused of. Well that's if the stories are true

randomperson:
So basically, the writer of this bible story inspired by the holy spirit believed the sun was moving round the earth... Never mind the fact that God actually stopped the sun and the moon just so that the Israelites could exterminate the rightful owners of the land of Canaan.

It's a documented account of an experience . If the devil spoke and its documented will you blame the writer for what the devil said . The Bible itself it's not "the word of God" it contains the word of God , the word of the devil , the word of angels and the word of men " it's a document . There' are stories there that were documented like a diary and there are stories that were purely inspired

The writer wrote according to the general understanding and knowledge of their day . That's why we go to school . The Holy Spirit won't teach maths without study

Seun:
Till date we have not been able to find anyone who can confirm the story of smoke coming from the ground and from the sky/ceiling and enveloping the hall, or the claim that every person who was sick was healed. Doesn't it make sense to conclude that Pastor Chris simply lied?

It was a popular account those days after the meeting . I met many of them who attended they confirm the experience .

Question is How many of them read your thread?

Seun:
Can you direct me to the specific point in the video where this happened? Was it before or after the offering and the selling of 'anointed' shawls?

Maybe I will watch your video link. I watched the programs live and also my downloaded copy has the miracles. I will watch yours to see if it's the same

OLAADEGBU:
You cannot say Trump has no desire for women. That alone disqualifies him for being a candidate for the Antichrist.

Maybe maybe not . My strongest point is the temple issue . The person who will build the temple is the antichrist

Boss13:
So what are you trying to say? That your prayer was so hot that it resulted to flames or the doctor just noticed something else or you just made it up.
Nobody can last in a room filled with smoke for 15minutes except that room is very well ventilated to allow the smoke to disperse out of the room. When there is fire, what kills people is the smoke not the fire. To have this man claim people became healed is just annoying

.Its not ordinary smoke it's a cloud of glory which looks like smoke .It does happen . Even in bible days

1Kings 8:10-11 (KJV Strong's)
10 And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the Lord, 11 So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord.

Seun:
If it happened, then surely there are people on Nairaland who attended that amazing meeting. People like Donnie, Gombs, and Petra1 ...

I came in 1991 and heard from people who were there. I can get them to come respond. Also somebody here said it's a smoke machine . That can't be true . We used our first ever smoke machine in badagry about 10years later in ASCON badagry . One of our senior pastor !pastor TT even joked about it. Saying something like " for those of you who had been eager to see smoke we talked about ,come and see smoke o" he laughed then said this one is a machine smoke "

There's one BRO Kunle who was there . He was my senior in school .hes no longer in our ministry . He used to sing . His response will be objective "for or against" his line 08060883772. I wanted to ask him to come an register so that he could give his version but his line was off. I checked on WhatsApp and saw that he was online yesterday. So I haven't talked with him yet . Anyone can try later

Gombs:
It's a shame you can't call Seun to verify if he has ever used his moniker to like any of his post on this thread. He is the one making you the offer o,

The guy na suspect sef. E fit do am . That's if the story is true sef.

Zikkyy2:
I think Petra1 should also provide the name of the priest that received Isaac's and Jacob tithe.

Proverbs 26:17 (KJV Strong's)
17 He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him,
is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.

So Zikkyy2, só ara re o.

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plappville:
And to you, who exactly is the liar that fits in?

This scripture is not talking about the antichrist man himself . But the shadows. The many antichrists in the world . But there is going to be a particular man of sin who will rule the world. That's the one I was talking about. But from your passage ,anyone that denies christ is an anti christ

THIS PROPHECY IS POINTING AT ISLAM. The quran states God had no son. Denies Jesus relationship with God, denies His death and resurrection etc. The mark of the beast is Islam. It will come to a time when Islam will be by force or you die. They are growing by reproduction, no wonder Muhammad ordered 4 wives to one man. Also, they are spreading all over the world by war. They are the most asylum seekers on earth.No where you will not find Muslims in the West. It may only take time. But islam will rule as muslims say. The West accommodate them, Trump ban most islamic radical states from entering the US, See protests from Muslims and none muslims against Him. The world cant see the evil in islam. But the world can see when SOMEONE fight against the evil (Islam) This alone should tell you something. The Apostle Paul saw it, All.ah is the god of this world. He has blinded many from seeing the light in Christ. They see evil and still protect it. One thing i know for sure, Christ will defeat Islam on the last day.

Maybe . I'm just pointing key points .

plappville:
If you point at Trump then you contradicted some cerses including this one:

1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who "denies that Jesus is the Christ"? This is the antichrist, the one who "denies the Father and the Son". Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."

I'm not saying he is . I'm only an observer of prophecy . I'm saying that there are features that relates to the antichrist .

But the passage you quoted is not about the antichrist himself to my understanding. It's about the spirit . Which can influence multiple people . He already said there are many antichrists , so it's not about one man. If we look at it in other translations it gives clearer insight

1 John 2:22 (NLT)
22 And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

LambanoPeace:
Petra1, what do you have to say about Melchizedek? Gombs and one fella here already explained

I've not really read their posts but it depends on what you want me to comment on. The mystery of Melchizedek is so wide that the Bible didn't contain all

I think I agree more with Gombs with Melchizedek because I don't think he died nor was he mortal, but Malachi 3, I kinda think it's prophetic, do you?

There are two schools of thoughts about him . One says he didn't die ,the other says he must have died but there's no record of him.

Zikkyy2:
Galatians 5:19-21
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 5: 1
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife."
Even pagans knew!

That's. Fornication .It's not the same . We have close relatives who are legally married . Father married daughter . Etc . Even though married but it's still incest

openmine:
Really so who wrote about the life and times of adam,noah,abraham,jacob and isaac?

I've told you already . If you have another author in mind kindly tell us with proof.

There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel...
Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling?
Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there?
The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!!

First off,am trying to find the part where i insulted U...Unless U have run out of words...
Please show me where insults were hurled at U by me...
U had insulted me in ur previous posts and i took it without firing any shots at U....do i perceive a withdrawal tact?

Stop getting personal with me . Or I will stop responding to you. I'm a tither and not a tithe collector as you're implying.so I consider that an insult.

Bro why did U stop at 1cor 9:13....continue nah
Or are U afraid of 1 cor 9:14
Bro U don't work in a temple...U dont also partake in what comes out from the altar
U can not obtain shares or things from platforms that have been rendered non-existent by the priesthood of christ!
U are neither a levite nor a priest based on aaron/moses lineage...They are the ones according to the bible that have the previlage of partaking in what occurs at the altar or temple!
1 Corinthians 9:14 is for any one who preaches the gospel...!

Stop getting personal . If you're out of ideas on what to post just quit. You mustn't post . Okay?

MuttleyLaff:
If your conscience hasnt been seared, I'll leave it to gnaw on you. SMH
Only you and I were logged in when the like was registered, if I didnt like the post
Who did it, who ''liked'' it then?

I'm sure the admin can verify that. Pls let it be investigated

MuttleyLaff:
At that time, it was only petra1 and muttleylaff was reading posts on the thread,
petra1 soon left the thread leaving only muttleylaff on the thread,
soon after petra1 left, joagbaje then logged in,
but after joagbaje logged out and left, leaving muttleylaff again alone on the thread, a ''like'' that wasnt there before at least for a good past three hours appeared on petra1's post
Who then liked the post? Let's leave that for the consciences
SMH...

If I need likes . I can get over 50 likes for every post. Truth is not by the number of people cheering you on.

realmindz:
and what's our business with the jews you bloody african.
this generation of blacks is cursed with a curse...
may the light shine on the future generation to break away from this religious/mental bondage that has made us slaves to others forgetting our history and demonizing our own ancestors.

You are the one who needs to come out of your darkness baby

MuttleyLaff:
Unless there's a desperation for ''likes'' here, please refrain from using your joagbaje alter ego ID to like your own posts
I've just watched joagbaje log in and disappear after liking your comment
Who is fooling who. Imagine liking your post by yourself

Will you stop all these nonsense of yours . I hardly do likes on nairaland. I've not done any likes this year. Kindly investigate before posting trash

openmine:
bro petra1 dont make me laugh...Google?
What was written in the bible sud be sufficient for Us...whether a scroll was missing is not the important thing...

Civilization began in Egypt , that's how Moses learn to read and write .If there were books by illiterate Abraham , it would have been mentioned or preserved . No body in their line documented anything. Even the stories of genesis were not documented until Moses showed up.

Once again there is no relationship whatsoever with what is discussed and the scripture U put forward...

You said no other minister except levites received from the people . if you didn't see it .the prophet was not a levite yet he received first fruits .

[quoteI think 1 cor 9:13-14 is crystal clear as to where U belong in the illustration....
There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel...
Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling?
Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there?[/quote]Don't try to insult me . I'm a tither . And thats how I wish to be addressed . When you start start talking naughty,I will stop responding to you

The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!!

Supported by what . By what is giving in offerings and tithes .

1 Corinthians 9:13 (NLT)
13 Don’t you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings.

Like i asked U before now,where is that existing principle stated in the bible? Do U mean the "mouthed revelation to Abraham" which the writer wasn't able to record because "some books were missing" according to U?

There wasn't a book missing. There was no book. Neither books nor scrolls were invented . They were illiterates .

How is it possible that Abraham and Isaac Burnt offerings were recorded,
The circumcision was recorded too,but the "tithe principle" was not recorded because according to Bro petra1,the scroll or book finish?
Or was the writer then against the tithe principle?

Moses the Egyptian scholar wrote them . The first 5 book Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses . No writing nor books existed before then And I think I deserve a little appreciation for adding to you.

Where then is ur proof that tithe is an eternal principle before the law?

There's no place God put an end to them . There's no fulfillment for them . It's as simple as that.

No dude...don't get it twisted...Abraham was not under any obligation to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle...

If three generations tithed .from Abraham to Jacob . That's more than enough. for God to raise the issue up in the law . That's additional bonus confirmation. For Jesus to endorsed it . Case closed . For Paul to mention it again . It's more than a principle . It's an eternal principle .

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV Strong's)
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge the tithe indeed came before the law!

Prove to me the scripture where God says tithe should stop.

For instance,Abraham committed adultery...but there was no law prohibiting him from such act...hence,it wasn't counted as a sin against him

Point of correction pls . Abraham didn't commit adultery. If you want to eat your tithe do . But don't insult papa Abraham.

Romans 5:13 (KJV)
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Abraham was not under any obligation whatsoever to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle.

If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

Don't muddle the Bible .

Genesis 4:7 (KJV)
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

The sin varied according to Gods revelation in a generation . Inter marriage with siners had been a sin from Abraham days . It's still a principle till date . And it's not nullified by the NEW LAW . It's a principle . If Abraham had done contrary to his knowledge of God . It would be a sin. Same goes for joseph and adultery

Genesis 39:9 (KJV)
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?


If Jacob call adultery a sin. Where did the knowledge come from.

If U think am wrong,prove that tithe is an eternal principle that was practiced before Abraham met Melchizedek!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

Joke of the day. If you will desecrated truth . Insult Abraham character and his tithes . Just to win argument . It's joke . I'm not convincing you. I don't need to try.

Based on the requirements to tithe,such illustration falls short of the tithe required....
The scripture u presented was an parable of a gullible man who tithed from his possession....which according to the law of moses is wrong!
Even Jesus knew that U only tithe from farm produce..

Jesus illustrated faithfulness of an average Jew . The man wasn't wrong . You are the one that didn't understand their tithing

Jesus knew that tithe according to the law was on farm produce and cattle herds.....
He only used the parable to expose the folly and ignorance of a gullible man who wanted to show he was more righteous than the tax collector...!
The law of moses on tithe was clear...from crops and cattle herds...money was used when the distance to the place God has prepared was far way..Deuteronomy 14:22-29

That was second tithe for feast . Not the general tithe .secondly Money was used for tithes and offering for several reason. Especially if the man trades in animals that temple can't use. Same goes for anything temple can't use . Money was general medium of exchange. in unclean animal and perishable things .

Thats Good so in other words,U also recognize that one of the tithes must be eaten by the tither abi?

YES OF COURSE

I asked u a simple question....check the question and come back with a YES or NO response...Thanks!

I asked you if incest is a sin YES or NO. If it is,on what ground .

When are U going to realize that tithe can never free-will...
U don't give what is required....Its paid...Its an obligation....U don't have an option..and its contained in the law!

Incest is contained in the law

Can U freely give Ur school fees?
Please show me in any scripture in the bible where TITHE was FREELY GIVEN without any condition or requirement attached to it!!
And once again..No..giving to a minister or special projects or alms or free-will are based on one's own volition...As U have been led by ur generous heart....
Every believer must imbibe the "gift of giving"...It doesn't matter who or for what purpose but it must be based on a decided heart and a generous spirit 2 Corinthians 9:7

We have right to obey and not to obey. Same for all principles . Give offerings and tithes be blessed , you don't give it ,devourer, Honoura father another, long life. Give to the poor you're blessed . Everything has its blessing and consequences but the choice is still yours .

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

As much as i understand this scripture U quoted,Don't U think a clearer and better illustration should be extracted from the letters to the churches by Paul since they were the early Christians?

So let's stop giving impression as though they gave by compulsion then but now it's optional or now it's with joy. The principles aspire constant

Zikkyy2:
Regarding the issue of ownership, you may want to consider Genesis 14:24.......

"²⁴I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me—to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share.”

if we say Abraham had right to the goods, he did not give a tenth to Melchizedek as "sole owner" of the spoils of war. Aner, Eshkol and Mamre had stake in the spoils. So Abraham gave tithe on behalf of himself, Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Now i was of the view these other guys did not know the Almighty.

You can tithe on your business . I have a multimedia outfit . The company tithes . And when get my pay still I personally give my own tithe apart from the company tithe .

OLAADEGBU:
How does he fit into that tendency?

I knew whoever will build the the new Jewish temple will be the antichrist . I suspect every major leader of the world from time to time . As much I love trump disposition to isreal . I just google Trump / Jewish temple and I saw that the Jews have already asked him and Putin to build the temple. Then I began to look at some other prophecies. I did a thread .

These are some of the biblical signs to identify the antichrist

HIS MOUTH WILL TALK BIG
Daniel 7:8
. . . in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7:20
. . . And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things . .

Revelation 13:5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things . . . . .

AN ECONOMIC BUSINESS LEADER
Daniel 8:25
25 . . . And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand

STRONG MILITARY LEADER
Revelation 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

NOT HAVING RESPECT FOR WOMEN
Daniel 11:37
. . . Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women . . .

RELIGIOUS LEADER
At the first emergence . He will be friendly with Gods people . But he will turn against them later. After they reject him for entering the holy of Holies at the dedication of the temple which he will build for the Jews .he will cause sacrifices to cease there.

Daniel 9:27
. . . he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This event will trigger THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Matthew 24:15-17
. . .When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

HE WILL INITIATE 7YEARS PEACE PLAN BETWEEN JEWS AND PALESTINIANS

Daniel 9:27
. . .This king will make a seven-year treaty with the people, but after half that time, he will break his pledge and stop the Jews from all their sacrifices and their offerings . .


HE WILL BUILD THE LAST JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM

The Jewish Sanhedrin have already written appeal to Trump and Putin to build rebuild the temple in Jerusalem . Whoever builds that Temple is the antichrist .

A group of leading Israeli rabbis see in US President-elect Donald Trump and Russia President Vladimir Putin echoes of King Cyrus of Persia, who 2,500 years ago assisted the Jewish people in rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem.

Prof. Rabbi Hillel Weiss, a spokesman for the Sanhedrin, a modern effort to revive the ancient Jewish religious court, noted in remarks reported by Israel National News:

“The political conditions today, in which the two most important national leaders in the world support the Jewish right to Jerusalem as their spiritual inheritance, is historically unprecedented.”

The Sanhedrin sent letters to both Trump and Putin urging them to work together to fulfill a project that will benefit all mankind - the rebuilding of the Holy Temple atop Jerusalem’s hotly contested Temple Mount.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/30506/Default.aspx

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/30506/Default.aspx

It may not be Trump . But I just brought out observation. The antichrist is a spirit and it will possess the chosen person at the right time .

lepasharon:
Ah ah, shebi he is against muslims so how can he be the antichrist? Muslims are the antichrist

The Anichrist would first be a friend of isreal then after 3/12 years he will stope Jewish activities at the Temple Mount .

randomperson:
Christians have been trying to confirm bible prophecies since the beginning of the religion and they have always gotten it wrong... Seems like they have been deceived

Deceived in what way

Acidosis:
Giving is the universal law, not tithing. You can be blessed even though you don't pay tithe. There are poor tithers, we also have rich non-tithers.

Everything has its place . If someone's suffer any lack there's something he's not doing right . Secondly giving is a law , tithing is a law for Gods kingdom

Orikinla1:
Furthermore, in today's Scripture lesson Jesus confirms that tithing should not be neglected

That's the true sense of that scripture . Jesus clearly endorsed tithing tithing there . Tithes and offerings are eternal principles .

openmine:
Well then U have done a bad job if that was ur intention

That's not nice

I have none...and U also cant prove there was no books to make such accounts or records...

Not too smart to criticize without a fact . Try Goggle . It make you appear at least a little smart . Information was documented by verbal transmission before stone hetching , to skin hides ,scrolls ,paper, computers . Tablets pc. Virtual documentation.

Okay lets analyze that scripture 1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Surely you know that those who work at the Temple get their food from the Temple.
This refers to the levites and priest of the levitical priesthood...

And those who serve at the altar get part of what is offered at the altar.
This also refers to the altar where burnt offerings and sin offering were done according to the law of moses..

14 It is the same with those who have the work of telling the Good News. The Lord has commanded that those who tell the Good News should get their living from this work.
This is where U or any one who preaches the good news is SUPPORTED for ur work....

There was no minister in the OT just priests and levites....U are meant to be supported financially for preaching the word!

And were they not ministers of the terbernacle and temple ? It's parallel. Besides there had been incidence where non terbernacle minister like prophets have received offerings instead of priests

2 Kings 4:42 (KJV)
42 And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat.

[quote-2Jacob made a Vow not for the world but for himself...It has no effect on anyone...[/quote]A vow made on an existing principle . If he had decided to fast as a vow . It's because fasting was an existing principle .

Of course Abraham prayed and transferred the prayer principle to the next generation isaac

You agree for that one . More credit for you

...And it will be foolhardy snd deceptive of U to say that Abraham tithed when he actually didnt...that same scripture says he gave melkezedek a 10th

10th ,tithe ,10% is all the same dude

does that sound or look like tithe to U?

People are watching you Bro.

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV)
But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham . . .

The fact still remains that Abraham never tithed.....

Fight of conscience . you could have said he never prayed either. He just yarn. . .imagine a prayerless man trying to rubish Abraham prayer as non existent. Just to suit his conscience

Before oil was discovered in nigeria,the nation was an agrarian country and still is to this time....
The law of moses was specific as to what was to be tithed by the people of israel....farm produce and cattle herd...!

Perishable things were not accepted . Unclean animals were not accepted . They gave money value as tithes . Secondly , they tithed on gains .

Luke 18:12 (KJV)
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luke 18:12 (AMPC)
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

Luke 18:12 (NLT)
12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’

Money was used wen the distance was too far....hence it was used to buy any thing the tither's heart desired even wine

That's only a second tithe that is shared . They had 3 kinds of tithes which I posted in my previous posts

Is it a YES OR A NO?

That's scripture .if you can't listen to the principle there . What more can I say

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

We give to God several ways . By free will,tithes,offering ,alms , or to brethren and man of God. Or special projects But one kind of giving doesn't replace the other

Benevolence knows no distinction...

Scripture

Not just any kind of giving...its based on LOVE....any giving that is based on what U will get only breeds greed...the heart of a generous giver please God....!

Every giving must be given with a right heart. Willingly ,cheerfully . It's not a New Testament revelation to replace forceful . . .

1 Chronicles 29:14 (KJV)
14 But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee.

Giving that attaches an expectation only breeds greed and anxiety which causes to sower to sow "sparingly"....

Scriptures pls not your church teaching . All the scripture given says otherwise. It's of faith to have expectation.

Luke 6:38 (KJV)
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure. . .

2 Corinthians 9:6 (NLT)
6 Remember this—a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop. But the one who plants generously will get a generous crop.

[qoute]there was no "unmerited favor" to tithe in malachi....[/quote]Let's leave it there then. Maybe another day

Tithe was an obligation and a must for the people of Israel....its either U do it or face the wrath of God!

A curse is simply the absence of a blessing. Same parallel . Give bountiful ,receive bountifully ,give sparingly receive sparingly. Give receive. Etc

The ability to tithe comes from obeying the instructions to tithe which unfortunately is not the case in most churches today...

Never speak for another man

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openmine:
If U claim that the apostles used the law of moses to teach the early Christians,why was Paul and Barnabas against the teaching of the law of moses when some men from Antioch said that the gentiles must do what moses taught them?
Why did Peter also condemn such teaching when some jews asked that the converted gentiles obey the laws of moses?
Bro now we know who is lying btw us...cos scripture shows that!

Because Jesus had fulfilled that. There are shadows in the law .which Christ fulfilled. Circumicision was not required because Christ has become circumsicsin. But there is no fulfillment for your personal prayer,offering ,tithe ,fasting ,alms worship etc. they are principles .

This is yet another manipulative and deceptive statement that lacks substance,scripture or direction....
I have offered scriptures after scriptures to attest the invalidation and abolishing of the law of moses..
Unfortunately,U are yet to present just one scripture in the entire bible to challenge or refute Hebrews 7:18 or Romans 10:4 or ephesians 2:14 - 16 or colossians 2:6 - 23 which was written by the same paul..
Rather U keep making Unfounded assumptions...saying Christ abolished some laws and left some....Yet U claim am the one cherry picking?

The issue with the law was that men sought it for righteousnes . It cannot give a man , salvation,perfection . Because man was imperfect . Reference to the law . Relates the the ability to be perfected by it or made righteous.. it's not dealing with the principles of Gids kingdom mentioned in the law .

It was already predicted that Christ was going to bring justification and righteousness.

Isaiah 53:11 (KJV Strong's)
. . . .by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.

[1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV Strong's)
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Romans 10:4-5 (KJV)
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.


You can see The content of the law is good on its own as long as a man does not seek to be justified by them

Romans 7:12 (KJV Strong's)
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

What do U understand by the scripture,hebrews 7:12?
For when the PRIESTHOOD is CHANGED, the LAW must be CHANGED also.

It's as simple as it is . Priesthood changed from Levi to Christ . A type of Melchizedek. The tithe collector!

Then some men came to Antioch from Judea and began teaching the non-Jewish believers: “You cannot be saved if you are not circumcised as Moses taught us.” 2 Paul and Barnabas were AGAINST THIS TEACHING and ARGUED with these men about it. acts 15:1-2
15 Christ ended the law with its many commands and rules. His purpose was to make the two groups become one in him. By doing this he would make peace. Ephesians 2:15 ERV
But people who depend on following the law to make them right are under a curse. As the Scriptures say, “They must do everything that is written in the law. If they do not always obey, they are under a curse Galatians 3:10 ERV
A final nail to the coffin of ALL the LAWS of moses was contained in Hebrews 7:18

I explained this above. . Christ is our circumcision,justification righteousness. We attain that by salvation. But that doesn't take away the moral value of Gods kingdom

The law of moses was superior and still superior to the nigerian constitution...
The law is a unified entity which can not be shared in bits and pieces just for some folks to choose which to obey and which to discard just like the nigerian constitution which keeps being changed every year like christmas wrapper to suit a few people in the country...

So WE finally agreed that there was indeed a new law by God which is more superior to the old....right?...i thought the only law was the one given by moses..interesting!

Don't miss my point . I told you it wasn't a perfect example . My point is the Constance of moral value .

Same law Paul and barnabas condemned in Acts 15:1-2
Same law Paul rebuked the Galatians from observing in Galatians 2 and 3?
Same law he called weak,useless and worthless in Hebrews 7:18?

I believe my response already answeeed that. It's only on the ground of seeking justification.

In the case of tithe,there was no mention as a spiritual principle....such principle must be done on a daily basis and also contained in the scriptures which was never the case...

A principle doesn't have to be daily . Abraham prayed only once by record

Using the exchange btw Abraham and Melchizedek as grounds to classify tithe as a spiritual principle is not only faulty but laughable...
We can as well use any one-off incident that occurred before the law and use as an ethernal principle....like i said,Its baseless and laughable...
Even if we decide to Use the law to validate that one off incident btw abraham and Melchizedek,U will find out that Ur tithe belief using the law as a focal point is faulty and erroneous... the law of moses based on war spoils stipulates that the priest doesn't even get a 10th of the war spoils based on the instruction of God in Numbers 31:21-54

Don't even go there at all. All these war spoil exchange . I gave you you the references . It was tithe .

Contrary to Ur opinions and surprisingly ur hasty assumptions,i haven't avoided and will never avoid any question asked....If there was any one avoiding my questions and inputting unfounded verses in the scriptures,it has been U...
Cos i see no reason why ur tithe principle will be based on an unspoken revelation to Abraham which was NEVER written in the bible simply because,according to Petra1,there were no BOOKS then

Were there books? What books ?

Like i have said and keep saying,If U want Us to open a new thread about the laws of moses including ur dearly beloved incest,Please do so and i will gladly show up but for the benefit of this thread and issue at hand,lets stick to ur lofty analogy which states that tithe is an "eternal principle"

It has a lot to do with my point brother

Everything....It was not an error like U said...It was an intentional Act to sleep with their maid....

It was umbelief . He didn't wait for God.

If we decide to stick to the topic of the thread which is why pastors avoid Deutronomy 14:22-29...It will not only contradict ur pre law-tithe principles but also render tithe being practiced by most believers (Including U) as fraudulent and based on falsehood!

Kindly proove it

Thats becos the subject matter is "tithe" not "incest" not to kill or to bear false witness....
But seriously,i dont need the law to tell me "incest" is wrong...it's just common sense....
Even Romans 13:8-10 explains clearly that no matter the law that was given was summed up into LOVE!!

I brought it up to proof you wrong .

Seriously are U asking me that? were U not the one who said there were no books to record ur unfounded documentation of the lives of Abraham and his family?
Am Just laughing and wondering where on earth U got such concocted and misguided thinking to feel that what was written in the bible was not enough and U wanted to help God put more in the bible through guess work...
Revelation 22:18-19
....Just accept the scriptures U find there bro and not put or insert whats not there.....Its deceptive to make such lie that Abraham received the tithe principle through a "mouthed revelation" that was never recorded in the bible.

What reference can you provide that they had books

Going by what U have said so far about tithe being an eternal principle,Ur tithe beliefs are not based on 1 Corinthians 9....
There was no mention of tithe for those who preach the gospel and that does not only include ministers but other Christians who teach the word of God...

2 Corinthians 9:14
In the same way, the Lord has commanded that THOSE who PREACH the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
This scripture includes any believer that preaches the good news....
Notice that the bible says RECEIVE A LIVING OR SUPPORT NOT collecting of tithes....
Along the same lines, the Master directed that those who spread the Message be SUPPORTED by those who believe the Message. MSG
It is the same with those who have the work of telling the Good News. The Lord has commanded that those who tell the Good News should get their LIVING from this work.
This same teaching was also admonished by Jesus christ to his disciples when they went out to preach the gospel
Matthew 10:7-10

The income for the ministers in the Old Testament was tithes and offerings . So kindly don't add to it. If Paul' used it as illustration,let it speak for itself

Thats because U dont know and U are only assuming what jacob was thinking....Even as a bible scholar or student,U cannot base ur analysis or
theories based on assumptions....The bible said Jacob Vowed and thats where it ends!

Jacob made a VOW not tithe....
A vow can be any percentage and between two people based on the person's volition....
The bible writes that he made a VOW....accept it and stop trying to create Ur own scenarios about Jacob's vow....

GENESIS 28:20
20 Then JACOB MADE A VOW, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear
So many people before the law have made vows....does that now mean those vows apply to us as Christians?

A vow is just a statement of commitment. National pledge is a vow . But it was handed down from generations . Its like someone vows . "Lord if you save me from this trouble ,I will serve you" that doesn't mean he wouldn't serve him if there had not been trouble .
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Occurrence implies relevance according to what was written....

Was every detail documented ?

and no Abraham didn't pray just once and that wasn't the only prayer recorded before the law...

How many time did Abraham pray?

Abraham never tithed....Hebrews 7:6 shows that for such to be called a tithe,it wud have to be btw a levite who receives such tithe and a priest of a levitical order.

That is utter rubbish . If God says Abraham gave tithe . Leave it like that ok. It didn't say Levi gave war spoil in Abraham .

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV Strong's)
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Hope you saw the highlight. "TITHE "

The main substance of that scripture was to draw a comparison between the levitical priesthood and the priesthood of Melchizedek...
There is a contrast between Abraham war spoils and the levites tithe....

How far will you go to change Gids holy word brother . I'm sure if you have your way you would call 8% . chaiiii !

While Abraham gave a 10th of the war spoils to king Melchizedek and gave the rest to the king of sodom,

When you begin to desecrate scripture deliberately like this . I wonder if I need to respond anymore to you. For your information. 10th ,10% and tithe are all the same . Just as sabbath and "rest are all the same . Now you want to remove the spirituality of precious Abraham tithe just to put up argument that's not very nice . Melchizedek was not just a king . He was a priest Gods highpriest . Abraham didn't give him tithe as a king but as a high priest . He had power to bless Abraham because he was greater than Abraham .

Read the scripture below and repent pls .

Hebrews 7:7 (AMPC)
7 Yet it is beyond all contradiction that it is the lesser person who is blessed by the greater one.

Do kings bless prophets? Only a priest can bless .

the levites gave a 10th to the levitical priesthood while they kept the rest of the tithes which happened to be of farm produce DEUTRONOMY 14:22-29;NUMBERS 18:20;DEUTRONOMY 26[/quote
At the end,the comparison was only meant to show the superiority of the Melchizedek order over the levitical priesthood based on the following attributes
"resembling the Son of God, and he remains a priest forever." NOT tithe....Like U want us to believe!
And lets be honest with our selves,
The law tithe was an obligation,

Tithes was the major discuss. The man big so tey he received tithes from Abraham and blessed him.

Abraham was under no obligation to give Melchizedek of the war spoils...

Your assumption. Prove it.

The law tithe was based on farm produce and cattle(DEUTERONOMY 14:22-29;NUMBERS 18:20;DEUTERONOMY 26)
Abraham fought to rescue his cousin lot from the captivity of the kings where he came back with war spoils...(Hebrews 7:1-2;Genesis 14:17-24)
The levites received a tithe from the people of israel and gave the levitical priest a 10th of a 10th...

They were primarily a nation of farmers just as Nigeria was an oil producing nation . That doesn't mean that's all they produce. I've proven that to all viewers .

Abraham gave not from his possessions or from his people's possession but from the war spoils which was recovered during battle...
Hence,it wud be wrong to say Abraham tithed....

He gave from his posession . The king already gave them to him . He gave tithe first to the priest and return the rest .

I asked U a very simple question....Wud ur earthly father ask anything from U wen he is already wealthy? Its a YES or NO

Genesis 27:4 (KJV)
4 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die.

There is no distinction when it comes to benevolence....

You're wrong. A giving cannot take the place of another . Honoring God cannot take the place of honoring parents.

Mark 7:10-13 (NLT)
10 For instance, Moses gave you this law from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ 11 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ 12 In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. 13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”

2 Corinthians 8:7
7 But since you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in you—see that you also excel in this GRACE OF GIVING.
Benevolence is not an obligation like tithe...Once a condition is attached to what U give,its no longer giving but a payment...
2 Corinthians 9:7
7 Each one of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give. You should not give reluctantly or under obligation to give. God loves those who are happy to give.

That's only a kind of giving .

Thats Ur problem not mine

OUCH!!

Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
Sparingly has to do with hesitance or greed but a believer is a generous giver...
The key word is generosity Not offering some thing to get some thing...which is tithe....
Okay lets say U are generous without tithing,will U still be wealthy?

The point I wanted you to see as against your kalo kalo error. Is that nothing is wrong in giving with expectation. It's of faith to give with expectation of increase .

Really?
A plan that was made to the people of israel?
The one which U are not even observing?
In Christ we are made complete and receive ALL that we need...Not tithe
Ephesians 1:3

It's a principle . Abraham knows this , Jacob and Esau knows this .

Malachi was written to the people of israel who were under the law of moses not grace....are U saying dere was grace during the time of malachi?

Grace refers to Gods blessing or ability in a man. Samson Strenth was a grace . Solomon wisdom was a grace . That's what I meant . Not dispensation of grace but ability

You inserted "ONLY"

You did

Well i know better about Ur tithe beliefs....the unspoken revelation that was mouthed to Abraham but wasn't too important to be recorded because there was no book or no ink then according to petra1

That reminds me . I'm waiting for references on the books they used . Maybe I missed it.

I tried to study these scriptures to find GRACE OF TITHING but i found NONE....Maybe Paul forgot to insert that in his letter to the epistles....Or maybe that might be an unspoken revelation by Paul which he failed to tell the church maybe because there wasn't enough "books to cover that"....
Bro Petra1....This ur concoction strong Ohh

Mal 3 should be ok for now

As much as i agree with U that knowledge of the scripture is required to be made right,Its important to understand that NOT all scriptures APPLIES to a believer in christ....
Are U aware of the law of christ?
Are U also aware that there was a new law that supersedes that of the law of moses?
Remember that knowledge of homosexuality or incest does not stop a believer from indulging in them...hence knowledge of such law doesnt take away such impulse...
The new law is based on LOVE and of the spirit of God....
Galatians 5:18 - 23

What you call the law of Christ is only a section of the law of Moses . The real law of Christ is a nature . It's not even a law . It's life .

openmine:
Ohh lord...bro petra1... burning of incense was part of the law of moses...Not a sin
2 Chronicles 13:11
Exodus 30:7-9
Maybe U are thinking of "incest"...but i meant "incense"

Exodus 30:6-10 (KJV)
6 And thou shalt put it before the vail that is by the ark of the testimony, before the mercy seat that is over the testimony, where I will meet with thee. 7 And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it. 8 And when Aaron lighteth the lamps at even, he shall burn incense upon it, a perpetual incense before the Lord throughout your generations. 9 Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt sacrifice, nor meat offering; neither shall ye pour drink offering thereon. 10 And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the Lord.

Read the whole passage . It's about sin and atonement.

The document below will give better understanding

Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Incense
Incense [N] [T] [S]
a fragrant composition prepared by the "art of the apothecary." It consisted of four ingredients "beaten small" ( Exodus 30:34-36 ). That which was not thus prepared was called "strange incense" ( 30:9 ). It was offered along with every meat-offering; and besides was daily offered on the golden altar in the holy place, and on the great day of atonement was burnt by the high priest in the holy of holies ( Exodus 30:7 Exodus 30:8 ). It was the symbol of prayer ( Psalms 141:1 Psalms 141:2 ; Revelation 5:8 ; Revelation 8:3 Revelation 8:4 ).

.http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/incense/

True but both are related cos U cannot do without the other...

The shadows are fulfilled ,the principles remain .

Matthew 5:17 (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.



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..a law that cant justify or make U perfect which is the will of God,is as good as useless or worthless....
Can U pour a used oil into your car engine and hope it will work fine?
Certainly not...Once the content has lost its value ,what's the use of its application ?

Brother . Paul quoted the law. What safest thou .?

.[b]Ephesians 6:2-[/b]3 (KJV)
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

Like i said earlier,U dont need a law for that...
Romans 13:8-10

So on what ground would you condemn incest? Or homosexuality

I answered that question explicitly for you unfortunately,U ignored it

Maybe oversight
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plainbibletruth:
Honestly, i'm somewhat disappointed in these your responses.
NOTHING in the Psalm you quoted talks about tithing.
Jesus was addressing the Jews before the church began.That does not make it a standard for the church

He taught the same Jews of yours about prayers also . Don't you pray?

Why do still insist on the SHADOW?

Is the law a shadow ? A shadow of what?

What i'm saying is this: Do you know more about the spiritual life for the church than those who started the church?

Is incest a sin ? If it is how do you know? If a family is into incest . On what ground can you tell him it's a sin? Epistles ?